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Title: Suggestions for modifications
Post by: Janey on June 19, 2014, 12:17:43 pm
Just as soon as we sell our '05 rialta (tell your friends), we will order a 2450. I'm interested in suggestions for mods by the manufacturer. All input is important.
Title: Re: Suggestions for modifications
Post by: GoPhoenix on June 19, 2014, 02:27:47 pm
Suggest you just talk to Earl about trading the Rialta.  I understand they take about anything in trade: motorhomes, 5th wheels, travel trailers, motorcycles, cars, trucks, spouses
Title: Re: Suggestions for modifications
Post by: JimDenny on June 19, 2014, 02:41:26 pm
 :help Spouse was looking over my shoulder as I was reading your reply.  She punched my shoulder and said, "Don't even think about it!"  roflol
Title: Re: Suggestions for modifications
Post by: Barry-Sue on June 19, 2014, 03:09:56 pm
Janey;

Here is the list of options we had installed or did not have installed.  I left off the typical things like the Convenience Package, model, color and awning.  We have a 2551 on a Ford 450 chassis not the Sprinter chassis.

Feel free to send us a private message if you have any questions.

Barry

2350 Phoenix Cruiser Options

Replaced swivel chair with extra storage cabinets. View Picture (http://www.phoenixusarv.com/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=158.0;attach=133;image)

2551 Phoenix Cruiser Options

No Television Over cab
Prep For TV
Added TV and Swivel Mount View Prevois Post (http://www.phoenixusarv.com/community/index.php/topic,713.0.html)
No Outside Shower/ Faucet
HWH Leveling Jacks
Slide Out W/Sofa
Insulated Glass
Leather Captain Chairs
All Window Treatments Same As Sofa
Bathroom Sink Counter Cut Out
Kitchen Sink Cover Cut In Half
Driver Side Swivel View Picture (http://www.phoenixusarv.com/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=681.0;attach=2141;image)
No Carpet
2 Access Doors Under Driver Twin Bed (n/a on 2450)
No Hooks in Rear Storage Compartment
No Coffee Pot
Adjustable Shelves in Both Shirt Closets.  No Hanger Bars
No Mirror By Stove
Adjustable Shelf In Cabinet Above Toilet
Delete Ladder And Roof Rack
Smart Porch Light (SL1000)
Battery Shield
Do not Install Fire Extinguisher
Install MAXXAIR Fan In Bedroom
Install Fantastic Fan In Livingroom  
12V Outlet in Bathroom
Extra Showerhead holder, 1 for Wife 1 For Me
Reverse Passenger Shirt Closet Door
Install TV And 120V Outlet on outside of Passenger Shirt Closet
1 Quart of Cherry Stain
1 Yard Of Sofa Fabric
Quieter Water Pump if Possible
Do not Install Shower Head Holder
Full Length Wing Cabinets (Both Sides) W/DVD Cutout Passenger Side
Flip Up Table On Driver Side Same as Passenger
Corian Counter Extension



Things I would add now.

Water saver hose for toilet

Would change Fantastic Fan to MAXXAIR
Title: Re: Suggestions for modifications
Post by: Ron Dittmer on June 19, 2014, 03:10:50 pm
Yes, Phoenix USA takes in trades, but top-dollar for your Rialta would likely mean selling it yourself.  It surely does not hurt to ask.  If their offer is not a world away from what you need to get for it, consider a trade-in will lower your sales tax on your new PC.
Example:
$100K for new 2450
$30k for your trade-in
Sales tax will be paid on $70k

About the 2450, it has been teasing me since I read about it, because it too would fit in our garage.  I would basically order it the same as we did with our 2007 but maybe in different colors, but maybe not.  We really like the green exterior offered in 2007, but didn't order it because at the time there were no decent pictures available.  So we went safe with morning mist gray.

I would target a few primary benefits from the 2450
1) more outdoor storage & easier access to the rear corner bed by ordering the longer bed (sacrificing 2nd pantry at stove)
2) have a pantry between the fridge and the dinette, or larger clothes closet with inside shelving because we do okay without a pantry

Other personal notables....
- no slide out and fixed dinette like our 2007 2350 has today SEEN HERE (https://www.flickr.com/photos/37432012@N08/sets/72157617468317295/)
- leather for "ALL" seating and thermal windows throughout like we have today
- 3rd matching captain seat like we have today, better than euro-chair without a slide-out, and better for 3rd passenger
- keep furnace on driver side like our 2007, to gain more outdoor storage and one more galley drawer
- place fresh water tank sideways against the wall common with the galley to move that weight forward, and improve outdoor storage
- have the factory do what I did with our galley cabinet SEEN HERE (http://www.phoenixusarv.com/community/index.php/topic,1751.0.html)
- get the 2450 built on an E450 (we would lower the chassis to clear the top of our 9'-11" garage door opening)
- no ladder or roof rack (I have them at home in case I change my mind. 7 years and still no change of mind)
- DVD with Surround Sound & had them mount the subwoofer inside the front dinette bench, it turned out perfect
- should have requested a 2nd "Fantastic" fan in the bathroom, can still change it later, obviously not yet important enough
- dinette awning is great, wished we got one for the bathroom too
- wished we didn't get the roof-top Winegard antenna, we use coax in RV parks and DVDs/PC-laptop/internet when cable TV is not available
- wished we requested a second porch light under the main awning at the other end for balanced lighting under the awning
- wished we asked for rear & driver side porch lights on their own shared switch, great for 270 degree campsite lighting and night time backup into dark camp sites
- I also like a lot of what is on Barry-Sue's list

Please don't hit my "Disagree".  It's my dream, not yours.
Title: Re: Suggestions for modifications
Post by: TomHanlon on June 19, 2014, 04:31:59 pm
The first thing I would change is to go with the E450. Then I would replace the bathroom fan with a Fantastic fan and cover both fans. I like the ladder but not the roof rack. My 2350 I passed on the rear window, the coffee pot and the mirror on the bathroom door. We made several other minor changes also.

If I only lived two and a half hours from the factory, I would run down there and see what is being built and what changes you like. I drove for 10 hours each way to see my two being built and requested changes to both of them. There is nothing like seeing them to help chose what to change.

Welcome to a great company and a good bunch on the forum that all want to help.
Title: Re: Suggestions for modifications
Post by: Ron Dittmer on June 19, 2014, 06:36:49 pm
My 2350 I passed on the rear window, the coffee pot and the mirror on the bathroom door.
We use the rear window to see what all the ruckus is all about.  It seems there is always a noise in back after we lay down for the night.  It's nice to check things out (a sneaky peek under the rear shade), especially when towing.

My wife loves that mirror and we both love that coffee maker.

Tom and I see many things from opposing sides.
 :)  :) :)  You got to love it Tom  :)  :)  :)

Come to think about it, most everyone here is like Tom.   :)(: to all!
Title: Re: Suggestions for modifications
Post by: Carol on June 19, 2014, 08:04:11 pm
Congratulations on your soon-to-be-new vehicle.
Exciting stuff!

I have a 2450 being built for me now and there were many helpful suggestions made by lovely forum members in the "Introduce Yourself" thread.  Rather than repeating them here (you can see them all on that thread) or going into what I chose to do, I'd only suggest that you look hard at what your primary needs will be in the context of how you will be using the rig.

For example, will you be full-timing (if so, I'd say look hard at your storage options and different places where you can get more)?  Boon docking much (if so, you might want to consider the solar panel)?  Will you need space to spread out to do computer or other work (the dinette is attractive from that perspective)?  How many people and pets will be in the vehicle (this might influence whether you want a slide and the extra floor space it gives as well as how much seating you need)?  Will you be traveling extensively or moseying along to nice campgrounds with full hookups for weeks at a time (hydraulic jacks might be nice if you will be parking in new spots often)?

Once you rank your priorities, study other 2350 and 2450 photos, floor plans, and options and see where you can tweak things to best meet your needs--like a cabinet or a comfy chair behind the passenger seat and either the slide out pantry or a longer bed.  By the way, you can find some nice photos of the cabinet they put in place of the easy chair in the 3100 model pictures. 

Bottom line, PC is awesome about doing what they can, where they can, to accommodate their customers.

Good luck and have a blast putting your unit together!
Carol
Title: Re: Suggestions for modifications
Post by: 2 Frazzled on June 20, 2014, 09:57:43 am
Congratulations! I know you've been planning for your Phoenix for quite some time now. As for mods, the front of your 2450 will be very similar to our 2552. My suggestions are:
- Water sprayer on the toilet (after that I know nothing about that bath)
- Cut the kitchen sink cover in half side to side so it doesn't go through the handle cut
- We like the Corian on our flip up shelf (adds weight)
- Kitchen faucet offset at the corner between the stove and sink (may be standard now)
- Deeper cabinets over the couch (if you get the couch)
- Propane quick connect on the passenger side
- HDMI port/cable attached to back of TV and pulled through into front cabinet (so you can plug in camera, Kindle, Computer and have it display on the TV screen - we use for photos, videos, etc.)
- Vinyl throughout, personal choice but so much easier to clean with a pet

- I regret not getting a solar panel; it is an increase in cost and weight... but I wish we had one

Remember that the desk/cabinets you saw in our PC behind the passenger seat are not standard. We use them a lot but they do make it tight next to the euro chair when the slide is in so there is a trade off. They also add a good bit of weight.

We also bought the StarLights smart light 1000 porch light (motion detector with daylight sensor), and shipped it to Phoenix. They installed it prior to the paint phase. Once we got it, we replaced the clear lens with amber. If we remember to turn it on, it lights up as we approach so we can see to get into the house safely. http://www.starlightsinc.com/shop/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=11&idcategory=4

I hope you are able to sell your Rialta quickly and order your new Phoenix. Now that the decision is made, the wait is going to seem brutal. I also recommend a trip to the factory if you can do it. You'll see other rigs being built and options they chose and will probably have a "wouldn't it be nice if..." moment. There is also a whole new color scheme coming out for 2015 that isn't in the brochure you have.

If you have any questions, feel free to send a personal message. We love our Phoenix and know you will also. Enjoy the excitement!
   John and Holly



Title: Re: Suggestions for modifications
Post by: Janey on June 20, 2014, 10:55:37 am
We are having trouble selling our rialta because it has 108,000 miles on it.  I am discouraged and disappointed. I really want the PC and am keeping a list of the suggested improvements. Lots of helpful suggestions.  Thanks you guys.
Title: Re: Suggestions for modifications
Post by: Ron Dittmer on June 20, 2014, 11:52:01 am
Tell us all about your Rialta.  If we know anyone on other RV forums looking for something like it, we are prepared to share.  Any pics to share?
Title: Re: Suggestions for modifications
Post by: Denny & Barb on June 20, 2014, 06:23:47 pm
Congrats Janey for getting ready for a PC. Barb and I also came from a Rialta.  Ours was a 99 and had 87k on it. We traded it in, and felt we got a good trade in offer.  Actually, PC asked us to name our price range that we were looking to get, and they excepted!  That worked for us.

Give them a try..
Title: Re: Suggestions for modifications
Post by: Janey on June 20, 2014, 06:37:21 pm
They didn't want it as a trade in.  I've just about given up. The nada price is $25,450 and we get offers for $18,000. I'm afraid it just isn't going to happen.
Title: Re: Suggestions for modifications
Post by: Carol on June 20, 2014, 08:46:19 pm
I'm sure you've already explored listing with RV Trader, but just in case you haven't, they seem to be a really good way to get your vehicle advertised to a wide internet audience.  I do hope it works out for you somehow.  Good luck!
Carol
Title: Re: Suggestions for modifications
Post by: Ron Dittmer on June 20, 2014, 10:01:03 pm
Being the last year 2005, I would have thought a Rialta follower would have grabbed it because the later the better.

It does seem that in general, NADA-RV can be off on the high side compared to actual street values.  With regular automobiles NADA is almost always right on.  I think part of the problem is that NADA-RV cannot account for the huge range in RV condition.

An auto example, take my elderly mother's highly desirable 2002 Chevy Tracker ZR2 with only 16,000 miles.  Because it is always parked on a city street, the elements just wrecked it.  NADA says one thing, but all the raw faded plastic bumpers and fenders and salt-eaten alloy wheels say differently.  In my mother's case it might be worth replacing all the bolt-on ugly and then it would be true to NADA.

How many motor homes are stored indoors when not in-use?  Outdoor storage is extremely hard on any vehicle, but especially motor homes.  I think that is one reason why NADA-RV varies from street value.  Of coarse there are other factors as well.
Title: Re: Suggestions for modifications
Post by: yankeeflyer on June 21, 2014, 05:13:09 am
Buying an RV is easy, selling one not so easy !! :'(
Title: Re: Suggestions for modifications
Post by: bentgypsy on June 21, 2014, 11:55:18 am
Why do you (Barry-Sue) prefer Maxxair over Fantastic fans?
Wouldn't do without my ladder which gives me access to solar panel on roof.

Cutting the sink cover: did some of you cut it in half, i.e. from left to right (or right to left)?
Title: Re: Suggestions for modifications
Post by: Barry-Sue on June 21, 2014, 12:30:00 pm
We have both a Fantastic Fan and a Maxxair fan in our PC.  I have been thinking about replacing the Fantastic Fan but just have not developed enough courage to do it.

I find the Maxxair has a few advantages over the Fantastic-Fan.  The Maxxair has a wider selection of fan speeds, very quiet (almost silent on low speeds), has built in rain guard (with good air flow), when closed it acts as a ceiling fan for air circulation, the screen is easier to remove and clean and when closed it presents a low profile on the PC roof.


We had our sink cover cut East - West.

Barry
Title: Re: Suggestions for modifications
Post by: TomHanlon on June 21, 2014, 03:18:52 pm
At the factory they took the cover to the back room and cut it, so I don't know which way. Just as long as it was side to side and not through the handle. Some day I will stare at it and try to figure out which way they cut it. Might take all afternoon. :lol
Title: Re: Suggestions for modifications
Post by: 2 Frazzled on June 13, 2016, 01:57:45 pm
We also bought the StarLights smart light 1000 porch light (motion detector with daylight sensor), and shipped it to Phoenix. They installed it prior to the paint phase. Once we got it, we replaced the clear lens with amber. If we remember to turn it on, it lights up as we approach so we can see to get into the house safely. http://www.starlightsinc.com/shop/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=11&idcategory=4

We posted the above note way back when. An update is that we still love our StarLights smart light but are now in a bit of a pickle with it. As stated above, we shipped it to Phoenix before the paint phase and it is painted with matching full body paint. Well, somebody smashed the lense covers over the motion detectors and it doesn't look like just the plastic covers can be replaced. They didn't smash the amber lense over the main light (which would be easy to replace), just the little squares over the motion sensors (and possibly the sensors themselves, we're still trying to figure out what works and what doesn't). It happened at our "secure" storage site (we know because we had the rig out, washed her, camped in her and used the light then returned it to storage for a week, and they were broken out when we picked her up again). I can see the caulk line around the light so it's possible they painted the rig and painted the light and then installed the light. If so, we can replace it or take it apart and maybe fix it. If we replace it with an identical light, our choices are white or black, either of which will stand out on the coppery brown background. If the rig was painted with the light in place, and the new light doesn't match the footprint of the old light, we will have a white area around the light. Argggg.

We figure someone was doing something they shouldn't and thought the motion detectors were security cameras so they smashed them. We didn't find anything missing on our rig (so far). We just returned from a trip and will report the vandalism to the storage facility. Maybe someone was doing something to the rig next to us.
Title: Re: Suggestions for modifications
Post by: Barry-Sue on June 13, 2016, 02:57:54 pm
John and Holly,

We have the smart light as well and one day we were sitting at the campground and noticed our sensor lenses were cracked as well.  We called the company and they said they had a bad batch of lenses and the UV RAYS were the culprit for the smashed lenses.  They sent us two new ones at no cost.

Yes, you do have to take the light down to change them but it was very easy.

What you need to do before you get replacement lenses is put duct tape over the area so that water does not get in the light fixture, otherwise you will have to replace the whole fixture.

Sue
Title: Re: Suggestions for modifications
Post by: 2 Frazzled on June 13, 2016, 03:06:30 pm
Thank you! We will tape it today but it has rained since they were broken out. Hopefully the light hasn't shorted and all will be well.
Title: Re: Suggestions for modifications
Post by: Barry-Sue on June 13, 2016, 06:40:43 pm
John and Holly

We had a black Starlight installed and left it unpainted.  It blends in nicely with the dark windows and black awning.

Barry
Title: Re: Suggestions for modifications
Post by: 2 Frazzled on June 14, 2016, 08:08:51 am
Thanks Barry, that's the way we'll go if we toasted the one we have. We taped over it and will call today to see if they'll send the lenses for the sensors. Then comes cutting the paint and caulk to get her off. Seriously NOT looking forward to that part but we recently caulked a few items on the rig so we have the caulk ready to go when we put the light back on. We are out again all next week so we'll be camping with no light if it shorted out. So sad. We have full hookups and would have left it on every day when we went out so that it lit up for us on the way back in. We love having the light kick on automatically. Guess we'll tote our flashlights each day... or, more likely, forget our flashlights and stumble around trying to find the door. We've got experience in that too.
Title: Re: Suggestions for modifications
Post by: Barry-Sue on June 14, 2016, 08:44:23 am
John and Holly

When Phoenix installed our porch light they used a putty tape caulk (typical installation) to seal between the light and the PC.  When I removed our light I found it easy to remove the light from the PC.  The clean up was simple because the caulk is non-hardening and stays pliable.  There is no need to cut or scrape the caulk .

Here is a link to Camping World web site that shows the tape:
http://www.campingworld.com/shopping/item/putty-tape-1-w-x-30l/4698

The tape should be available at most any RV dealer and comes in shorter lengths.


Barry
Title: Re: Suggestions for modifications
Post by: Denny & Barb on June 14, 2016, 06:49:32 pm
Just an alternative...  We changed out our power munger light bulb out to a LED SuperBright. Now don't need motion detectors as this can be left on forever, even when dry camping.   And yes it is bright... Maybe too bright for some commercial campgrounds.... 
Title: Re: Suggestions for modifications
Post by: 2 Frazzled on June 15, 2016, 06:28:10 am
The Starlights is also LED. We just don't like lights on outside most of the time. The Starlights 1000 uses toggling to change the mode of the light. Turn the switch on once and the light is on until you turn it off. Turn the switch on-off-on in succession and it goes into sleep mode (with a tiny blue light that blinks periodically so you know it is set). It wakes and turns on when two things happen 1) it is dark enough as determined by the built in daylight sensor; and 2) something large enough trips the built in motion detector. We like to set it to sleep mode when we leave camp so that our site stays dark until we return. As soon as we come along the side of the Phoenix, the detector picks us up and turns on the light. When we forget to turn it on, we stumble into picnic tables, the step, chairs, etc. If there is no motion for awhile, it turns off again. We love our light.

Tom Hanlon commented that the blinking blue light could make people think we have a security system. Having the light snap on when they get close would help reinforce that.
Title: Re: Suggestions for modifications
Post by: TomHanlon on June 15, 2016, 10:12:05 am
The issue I have with Holly's light is how far away I could be and turn it on. I was across the street in another site and could turn it on. Have you guys found a way to control the distance of the motion sensor?  Otherwise I liked the light for all the same reasons that Holly stated.
Title: Re: Suggestions for modifications
Post by: Barry-Sue on June 15, 2016, 10:44:49 am
Tom,

There is a way to set the sensitivity of the motion sensors.  Here is the link under the frequently asked questions http://www.starlightsinc.com/faq. You will find the information under the troubleshooting section.

When they come from the factory they are set to the highest sensitivity.

Barry and Sue

Title: Re: Suggestions for modifications
Post by: TomHanlon on June 15, 2016, 01:34:05 pm
Thank you Barry.
Title: Re: Suggestions for modifications
Post by: 2 Frazzled on June 16, 2016, 08:20:22 am
AWESOME! Thank you again, Barry. I gave you yet another helpful/neighborly. I can't imagine how we would have done with our first RV if we didn't have all of you here on this forum. Even with the quality of our Phoenix, there are still so many things we would have been clueless about. I expect we would have gone repeatedly to repair shops for things that we could do ourselves if we had a clue. And now we have a clue... and a very nice file of instructions to try to keep us out of trouble with the rig. We love our Phoenix AND our Phoenix family here on the forum.
Title: Re: Suggestions for modifications
Post by: ragoodsp on June 22, 2016, 02:39:58 pm
More insulation everywhere!   Cab in particular, floor, doors, front cap.  Go with the double pain windows, e-450 chassis, forget the in dash navigation.  I would go with the light hickory wood, I am getting sick of the dark cherry, see if they offer a theater set up for the sofa seating, slide is a must.  I do like the ladder but no roof rack approach.  Full body paint looks super but it sure is a lot of money just for looks.  I would have PC install any and all suspension upgrades you can afford, new shocks, front and rear stabilizers, trac bar.  Guess that is it from my perspective.  Ron G.
Title: Re: Suggestions for modifications
Post by: Ron Dittmer on June 22, 2016, 02:55:31 pm
I would go with the light hickory wood, I am getting sick of the dark cherry......Ron G.
I can relate to your comment.  Back in 2007 when we were picking out interior colors, my wife Irene really wanted the cherry.   I much preferred the maple only to save the money but Irene said the cherry looked so rich.  With the florescent lighting of the era, neither wood tickled me so it was easy for me to agree to.

Today I feel good with our cherry cabinets since I changed from florescent to LED lighting.  One day I may splurge and change out the dated brass hardware to brushed stainless.  It just has not yet bothered me enough to make the change.  A real good local hardware sale just might inspire me to get going.