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Title: winterizing mh
Post by: mciai2000 on October 03, 2010, 09:18:45 pm
Hello All: 

It is near that time here in NE PA where we put away our campers and winterize them.  Since this is my first year with her I am wondering what you all do.  Do you use anti-freeze or blow out the lines?  My old Winnebago was easy to add anti-freeze.  Looking at the Phoenix I am thinking it would be easier to blow out the lines.  Any input?

DJM (WH)


Title: Re: winterizing mh
Post by: TomHanlon on October 04, 2010, 07:53:50 am
I do both, blow out the lines and then add anti-freeze. Sometimes I am one very big chicken. First I drain all the lines, fresh water tank and the water heater. Then I put my air plug into the water line input and blow out the lines, by opening and closing one faucet (cold, then hot) at a time. I then turn the hot water bypass and using the anti-freeze pickup tube, I add the anti-freeze. This will be my first year with this motorhome but this is what I have done for the last five motorhomes. I had the anti-freeze pickup tube put in when it was built. Come to think about it, I don't know if there is a water heater bypass and where it would be. Can anyone help me out here? I would hate to have to buy six gallons of anti-freeze just to fill the water heater and one for all the lines.


Title: Re: winterizing mh
Post by: mciai2000 on October 04, 2010, 10:28:51 pm
Tom:

Thanks for the reply. I guess I will pull out the instruction guide and see what that says. I seem to remember something about the bypass in there. If not there, I guess I will dig around the mh and see what I come up with.  Will let you know.

DJM


Title: Re: winterizing mh
Post by: lghjr on October 04, 2010, 11:38:45 pm
Take the kitchen drawers out and the hot water bypass is easy to access, the low point drains are also in that space under the bottom drawer - this on the 2700.
I also built an adapter with regulator to keep the air pressure at or below 40psi.  Normally my fill takes about a gallon and a half.  I use the jacks on the passenger side to tilt the rig enough to mostly drain the fresh water tank.
If you have the pump out (Sani-Con) system remember the pump and hose also needs some antifreeze in it.
L.  G.


Title: Re: winterizing mh
Post by: TomHanlon on October 05, 2010, 07:14:11 am
L.G. Thanks about the sani-con warning, I would not have thought of the pump needing anti-freeze. I did one of my many mods to the hose. I put a longer clear hose that runs up into the compartment, then I added a "T" with a spicket that I can open to allow air into the hose. It helps to drain the hose after using the system. The clear part allows me to see when the back flushing has flushed everything out. So I guess this mod will save me from having to put anti-freeze in the hose. Again thanks for the tip.  tymote


Title: Re: winterizing mh
Post by: ron.dittmer on October 05, 2010, 08:27:11 am
Tom,
About your clear tube with "T" junction & spicket, allowing air in the slinky from above to encourage full draining after the pump is done, and also seeing the clarity of the waste coming out.  That's a great idea!  I will give it some thought for my own rig.

Thanks!


Title: Re: winterizing mh
Post by: TomHanlon on October 05, 2010, 09:04:45 am
Ron, just remeber to close the spicket after each and every use, otherwise the next time the waste water will come out the top. This happened to me one time.  roflol


Title: Re: winterizing mh
Post by: rockrat on October 05, 2010, 09:12:09 am
Tom

your posting on connecting the clear hose to the compartment and putting a "T" with the spicket sound very very smart and logical, but I am a little bit dense on how to and where should I start the project. Could you elaborate it a little more so I can follow it up. Thanks

Donald


Title: Re: winterizing mh
Post by: TomHanlon on October 05, 2010, 09:42:55 am
Donald,

    If you look at the sani-con pump from under the motorhome, you will see a 2" section of clear hose or the black hose connecting to the output side of the pump. I removed the hose clamp and the hose, took it to my local Ace hardware store (they have all the little odd things the big stores don't stock) and bought a 2 foot section of clear hose of the same size. I also bought a "T" and a water valve and two stainless steel hose clamps. I put the water value into the top of the upside down "T". After I pulled the old back hose through the wall I connected it to one end of the "T", and put the new clear hose on the other end of the "T". Put your two new clamps on the hoses connected to the "T". I pushed the clear hose through the wall leaving about four or five inches showing. Going back under the motorhome I connected the new clear hose where the old hose connected to the pump, again using a hose clamp. I had to cut off some of the clear hose to make it fit, but I would rather have too much hose than not enough. I tightened all the hose clamps. All done, that simple.

    Now when I use the hose, I remove the screw-on cap from the end of the hose and put it on the new water valve for storage. When back flushing, I can see what is flowing through the clear hose and I flush until it runs clear. After dumping, I remove the cap, open the valve, lift and shake the hose to get all the water out of the hose. THEN I CLOSE THE VALVE. This last step is very important, otherwise next time you turn on the pump, well you guess where the water is going.  roflol

    I hope this helps you.


Title: Re: winterizing mh
Post by: lghjr on October 05, 2010, 02:06:11 pm

Tom,
The vent hose is a great idea and one that I will incorporate before winterizing, Thanks.

L. G.


Title: Re: winterizing mh
Post by: mciai2000 on October 06, 2010, 09:50:14 pm
Tom:

Thanks for the input on the winterizing.  I too would have missed the sani-con system. That would have been an expensive yikes.  I will say that I am not yet quite sold on that system. Seems neat, but it does take a lot longer to dump than the old days.  Patience is not one of my strong suits. I did not think to order the pick up tube for the anti-freeze.  I guess my kids and I will have to crawl around the mh and  add one.  I should clarify that. I will have my 11 year old crawl in the tight spots and hook it up with guidance of course.  It has been raining here for 5 days now and we have received 9 inches of rain. So needless to say, the mh has not come out the garage for me to winterize her.....


Title: Re: winterizing mh
Post by: TomHanlon on October 07, 2010, 10:06:36 am
mciai2000 Acturally it was LG that brough up the sani-con, not me. He saved my bacon as well as yours.

On my 2350 with slide, the water pump is under the rear bed, about half way between the top and bottom. The factory put the bypass in before putting the bed plywood down and putting the mattress in place. They then cut a 4" wide by 6" high hole in the wall into the outside cabinet. Looking from the outside, the hole is in the right hand rear corner. I put the bottle jack in front of it and you can not even see the hole. I have to reach into this hole to get the hose and to turn the valve. I put a longer hose on the bypass to give me a little more reach to work with when putting the hose into the anti-freeze bottle.


Title: Re: winterizing mh
Post by: mciai2000 on October 07, 2010, 08:49:13 pm
Tom:

Man, I love bacon. Glad it was saved...

DJM


Title: Re: winterizing mh
Post by: aimee on October 07, 2010, 09:32:53 pm
 roflol (exactly)


Title: Re: winterizing mh
Post by: PJ Corey on October 13, 2010, 06:42:18 pm
Tom,

I did your Sani Con modification.  Wonderful.  Thanks for the post and sending me the pics. 

Paula
Santa Fe


Title: Re: winterizing mh
Post by: mciai2000 on October 13, 2010, 10:23:22 pm
Mr. Tom:

if you get the chance could you send me the pictures and instructions you sent Paula. I have been in a state tymote of denial regarding winter coming, but alas it is close. It was 37 here the other morning.  When I go to winterize the beast I might as well put your changes into effect.

Regards...

DJM


Title: Re: winterizing mh
Post by: rockrat on October 13, 2010, 10:39:12 pm
Tom

a picture is worth a thousand words. Could you please forward me the pictures as well. Thanks

Donald


Title: Re: winterizing mh
Post by: lghjr on October 16, 2010, 11:32:02 am
Thanks to Tom Hanlon for the vent suggestion on the Sani-con drain line.  I spent the afternoon yesterday shagging parts and putting a vent in and it works like a charm.

I put the ball valve in the storage compartment below the light where the Sani-con line sagged when stored -perfect fit.

No more putting the line up with liquids in it.

L. G.


Title: Re: winterizing mh
Post by: TomHanlon on October 18, 2010, 09:23:59 am
I am trying to post a picture of my mod to the sani-con hose. It allows me to break the water vacuum in the hose after dumping to clear the water out of the hose. It will work for winterizing also.
The instructions of how I did this is above in a previous reply.

I hope this works.  (WH)


Title: Re: winterizing mh
Post by: mciai2000 on October 31, 2010, 09:50:32 pm
Tom:  I have to congratulate you for being wise enough to order a pick up tube for your Cruiser.  I pulled the mh out of the pole barn today to winterize her and found the bypass no problem.  I do have to tell you my 8 year old son figured out how to take the drawer out.. Anyway, I blew out the water with the air hose and drained the potable water. Blew out the sani-con system and flush sytem for the sani-con. I then went to add anti-freeze and found no pick-up tube.  I took the mattress off the bed, pulled up the wood and found the pump without a pickup tube. Who on God's great green earth would think an rv manufacturer selling a rig to someone in NE PA would not suggust adding this option  or rather just put it in. I mean it is just a plastic tube. It can't cost but a buck? Anyway, after much swearing(so much for good intentions at church this am) we were able to get the anti-freeze into the unit. You can bet your sweet bippy I will add that hose come spring. In fact, I left the bed board unscrewed.  Oh yea, last but not least I had my kids go up top and pressure wash the roof..I took some pictures of them up there, I will have to post for Aimee's adveture anywhere. lol.

DJM


Title: Re: winterizing mh
Post by: TomHanlon on November 01, 2010, 08:00:23 am
DJM, Why did you winterize this early? We were up in Jim Thorpe and Hamburg this past Saturday and there is still a lot of fall left before needing to winterize. In two weeks our Good Sam chapter will be headed for our annual trip to Lancaster area.  Then there is the Tanksgiving weekend. Acutualy we will take the whole week off and head south to either Williamsburg or North Myrtle Beach. It is not time to put out PCs away yet. I will drain and blow out the lines between each trip just to be safe.

For those who did not get or have not added the anti-freeze pickup tube, You can always pour the anti-freeze into the fresh water fill hole into the fresh water tank. Then just turn on the water pump and run each facet until the pink comes out. This will take more anti-freeze as you can never get all of it out of the fresh water tank. In the spring when you sanitize your tank what is left will come out. Remember to turn the hot water bypass before turning on the water pump and to drain the tank by using the drain plug on the tank.  The pink that comes out of each facet will go into the "P" trap and winterize them. I have not tried to winterize the sani-con pump yet, but I guess I will just put some anti-freeze into the gray tank and pump it out throughthe pump onto the ground. What a waste of aniti-freeze. If anyone knows a good way of doing this, please let me know.  :help



Title: Re: winterizing mh
Post by: gl1500 on November 01, 2010, 01:26:29 pm
I live in North Idaho. My winterizing procedure is drain the all tanks: grey and black, fresh water and water heater.  Turn on water heater bypass.  I have made a fitting to hook up my air compressor to the city fresh water hookup.  I blow out all lines with air including the toilet.  With the drain on the water heater still unplugged, I open the coldwater line to the water heater blow out some residual water in the heater, although the heater manual states, about two quarts will remain in the heater and is OK for the winter.  Close the heater line again and run the water pump to get any remaining water out of the pump.  Run air through all faucets, and do not forget the outdoor shower.  I had PC install shut-offs inside the coach for the outdoor shower as we sometimes use our coach in the winter, so after the outside shower is blown out we close the shut-offs and do not have to worry about that area freezing.  After everything is blown out, I add RV antifreeze to all the drains(p-traps), and do not forget the shower drain and toilet.  I pour about half a gallon into the shower drain and then open the gate valve on the grey tank so it goes to the sani-con pump, run it momentarily to protect it, then close the gate valve.  There is enough anti-freeze in the systems to protect the gate valves, especially if you use your unit in the winter. Nothing like going to dump and finding your gate valves frozen shut.  Another thought is you may find RV antifreeze expensive, so an option is windshield washer antifreeze fluid.  Our local dealers use it exclusively, but do not use it in your freshwater lines.  After they are blown out there is no reason to run antifreeze through empty lines.  I use about 50 PSI air to blow out the lines. One thing I was surprised about was the lack of a sacrificial anode in the water heater.  Without one, in most cases the electric heating element becomes the sacrificial anode.  My first RV water heater without one.  Just my thoughts.
     Bob


Title: Re: winterizing mh
Post by: TomHanlon on November 01, 2010, 01:39:10 pm
Thanks Bob, that is very helpful. If it works in northern Idaho it definintly work here in Maryland.  tymote


Title: Re: winterizing mh
Post by: mciai2000 on November 03, 2010, 09:05:56 pm
Bob: I did basically what you said.  I just had to run to the local hardware store to buy more anti-freeze than I had.  I know I don't have to run anti-freeze through the system after I blow out the lines. Just call me paranoid.  Tom: Put the MH away as the kids are back in school and the daily grind of work life calls...Still in my forties and the bank still wants me to pay my bills on time. Imagine that?? roflol


Title: Re: winterizing mh
Post by: aimee on November 04, 2010, 03:55:15 pm
Quote
Oh yea, last but not least I had my kids go up top and pressure wash the roof..I took some pictures of them up there, I will have to post for Aimee's adveture anywhere. lol.

Please do!  I'm behind on adding photos to the site, but I'm going to get it done today no matter what!


Title: Re: winterizing mh
Post by: rockrat on November 12, 2010, 11:50:48 am
Tom

thanks for the pic on mod on the sani-con hose. I was finally able to do the modification as you descripted and everything work out great. Now I don't have to stoop down to the ground to check on the line to see if the black water is coming out clear or not.

Another thing, could you tell me what is a pickup tube and where is the water pump in a 2350? and where is the switch to turn it on, and can you install a pickup tube on the water pump permenently. Thanks for all the help.

Donald


Title: Re: winterizing mh
Post by: rockrat on November 16, 2010, 08:56:57 am
Tom

after going back to some of your old posting, I think I have a pretty good idea on the antifreeze pickup tube and the water pump. I believe I can put one of those sucker connect to the water pump. So thanks for all the very helpful posting.

Donald