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Title: Replaced Our Barrel Chair With A 3rd Captain Seat
Post by: ron.dittmer on October 10, 2010, 08:58:28 am
If buying a Phoenix Cruiser for 3 travelers, consider requesting a 3rd captain seat for the safety and comfort of the 3rd person.  He can look through the windshield by simply adjusting forward into the isle and then swivel at an angle toward the windshield, then recline as needed to look out between the people in front.  It's also great for relaxing and watching TV as shown below.

For you older model PC owners with a barrel chair, this is a very nice upgrade.  We ordered our 2007 model seat direct from the OEM supplier Paul's Seating Inc. (http://www.paulsseating.com/chairs.htm) at a cost of $481.00 with shipping considered.  It is an exact match to our two front seats, model Lexus as stated on Paul's website.

The replies below is about how it all unfolded.


(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8518/8462453675_5d79315fcc_c.jpg)

(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6173/6191936126_12d4e1ae89_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Made A Decision Replacing The Barrel Chair
Post by: gradygal on October 10, 2010, 10:06:46 am
That is a good decision! You certainly will be more comfortable.

I find the barrel chair in the 2350 very uncomfortable. We may end up following your lead (again).

Judi


Title: Re: Made A Decision Replacing The Barrel Chair
Post by: Bob Mahon on October 10, 2010, 10:35:28 am
Hi Ron.

Please let em now what Kermit tells you.
If you do get a Captain's chair, let me know which model you chose.

Bob


Title: Re: Made A Decision Replacing The Barrel Chair
Post by: ron.dittmer on October 11, 2010, 12:28:43 am
Our chair design is called Lexus CLICK HERE (http://www.paulsseating.com/chairs.htm), which is identical to our two front chairs.

I will let you all know what I find out from Kermit, etc.


Title: Re: Made A Decision Replacing The Barrel Chair
Post by: Simple Song on October 11, 2010, 04:15:51 am
will two of them fit in a PC 2400  ?


Title: Re: Made A Decision Replacing The Barrel Chair
Post by: gl1500 on October 12, 2010, 02:12:01 am
If I have mastered this site, I will post pictures of our 2350 with the third Captains chair.  The metal loops are steel fold downs for a baby seat tether.
    Bob


Title: Re: Made A Decision Replacing The Barrel Chair
Post by: ron.dittmer on October 12, 2010, 12:19:31 pm
I talked with the right person at Phoenix USA today, Carol.  I needed to give her either my Chassis or Conversion VIN number.  With that, she was able to look up what was installed in my motor home, to provide the right data for Pauls Seating.

seat material to match my Lexus leather captain chair (the type in my 2007 2350, in color Morning Mist Gray)
- leather seating surface:  Luxor ST Alabaster
- vinyl balance material:  Astro SS Alabaster

pedistal mount
- I can reuse my barrel chair pedistal.  Be sure to tell Paul it will be a 3rd seat, pedistal mounted, so he mounts the seat tracks closer.  Paul told me that means the tracks are mounted at 8x11.

arm rests
- be sure to specify which arm rests you want, left, right, neither, or both.  I am getting both armrests, costing $375 plus shipping.  Armrests are only $10 a piece.

I called Paul and placed my order.  He said he'll have a seat made up by next week, and ship thereafter.  Payment due in the form of a check, after I received the seat and am pleased with it.

To Be Continued.


Title: Re: Made A Decision Replacing The Barrel Chair
Post by: ron.dittmer on October 12, 2010, 12:26:16 pm
The metal loops are steel fold downs for a baby seat tether.  Bob
Bob,

Are the tethers a separate metal part that is slipped under the pedistal?  Please clarify what that thing is, how it mounts to the pedistal, and who supplied it?  We don't have a need to attach a baby seat yet, but we anticipate grand children one day, and want to be prepared for it.

Ron


Title: Re: Made A Decision Replacing The Barrel Chair
Post by: gl1500 on October 12, 2010, 03:23:46 pm
The tether anchors are made by Secure-tite and are called Wire Ring Anchor Points.  They have a 900 lb. capacity.  They are not bolted to the pedestal but forward and aft of the pedestal and secured to the frame below the floor.  I believe we purchased them at Lowes.  We provided them to PC and they installed them.  The reason for two is whether the baby seat is mounted in the forward facing or rear facing position.  When they are young you need to have the seat rear facing.  Hope this helps.
    Bob


Title: Re: Made A Decision Replacing The Barrel Chair
Post by: ron.dittmer on October 12, 2010, 08:28:50 pm
Got it Bob, Thanks!


Title: Re: Made A Decision Replacing The Barrel Chair
Post by: mciai2000 on October 13, 2010, 10:52:00 pm
Yikes Bob & Ron!!

On the grandchildren thing. We are in our 40's with teenager's and no way are ready for that!! Yikes, Yikes, Yikes.  However, I do like when Grandma and Gramps take the boys for the weekend..It really is a sad thing that I have to be in my forties to realize that my parents are wise!!!  That barrel chair we are however ready to get rid of.  Not too comfy. Ron, please keep up us to date on your progress and thoughts.  As Captain Kirk said, thanks for going boldly where no one has gone before. If this works for you, I think this is a good loss of dollars for me(lord knows it is not an investment)......Damn, this motorhome thing is expensive..........

DJM



Title: Re: Made A Decision Replacing The Barrel Chair
Post by: ron.dittmer on October 14, 2010, 12:02:58 pm
Paul emailed me today.  He is out of gray materail but has the green.  Checking to see if he can get more gray.


Title: Re: Made A Decision Replacing The Barrel Chair
Post by: Bob Mahon on October 14, 2010, 12:20:16 pm
Ron,

Will the chair you ordered mount directly on the existing seat slide/swivel?


Title: Re: Made A Decision Replacing The Barrel Chair
Post by: ron.dittmer on October 14, 2010, 09:35:48 pm
Carol at Phoenix USA and Paul agreed, I can reuse the swivelling pedistal.  The seat tracks that adjust the seat forward and backward will be included with the new seat.  I assume the seat tracks from my barrel chair are not transferable for some reason.  The tracks are mounted closer together than what is normally done up front in the cab.  This so the seat will mate properly to the pedistal.

I'll take some pictures along the way so others get a real good idea what to expect if they consider upgrading.


Title: Re: Made A Decision Replacing The Barrel Chair
Post by: Bob Mahon on October 15, 2010, 06:15:42 am
Thanks Ron.

This is getting interestinger and interestinger.

I did a few things to the Alpine along these lines. The Driver's seat was 6-way but didn't swivel. Using some extruded aluminum stock from my "Squirreled away" stuff I fabricated a rail on an old swivel base for it. The power seat went low enough to compensate for the 1-1/2" height increase of the swivel/rail base I made and it had a manual slide that allowed me to move the entire seat another 12 inches, which was quite nice when I wanted to use the Driver's seat as a lounge chair in the salon.

I love to "tinker".

We have cloth seats in the cab of our 2350 and they've gotten a bit worn and faded. I just might upgrade them to Gray "Ultra-Leather" too.

Keep us posted and include a few pics if you can.


Title: Re: Made A Decision Replacing The Barrel Chair
Post by: TomHanlon on November 28, 2010, 12:50:13 pm
Ron, any update on the status of your new chair? I am hoping to see some of your great pictures of the change over to the new chair.  ;)


Title: Re: Made A Decision Replacing The Barrel Chair
Post by: ron.dittmer on November 28, 2010, 02:05:55 pm
I have tried a few times (not trying be be pesty) contacting Pauls Seating, but got no return emails and no return calls.  I wonder if they are in shut down or something.  I never gave them any money so I am not worried, but still I want a 3rd captain seat.  The last I talked with Paul, he said they had to back-order my particular color material, the gray.

I will try later this week again.


Title: Re: Made A Decision Replacing The Barrel Chair
Post by: ron.dittmer on December 11, 2010, 07:21:25 pm
I kicked up to being pesty and I still could not reach Pauls Seating.  I then emailed Kermit and asked if Pauls Seating was in a shut down mode or gone out of business.  Nope, they are up and running.  Kermit was kind enough to ask Paul to work with me.  Suddenly I've reached Paul again.  Thanks Kermit!

Paul was not able to get hold of the exact same color gray leather and vinyl material to make me a duplicate 3rd seat.  He got hold of a gray color he calls "Close", so he is mailing us a swatch to compre and see if it's close enough.  I should have the swatch Monday, make a quick decision to go gray or go with the green like we have now with the barrel chair it will replace.

I'll keep all updated as it unfolds.


Title: Re: Made A Decision Replacing The Barrel Chair
Post by: ron.dittmer on December 13, 2010, 01:33:24 pm
Paul emailed me today.  They found the exact Morning Mist Gray leather used in my 2007 PC, sitting on a shelf in their stock room,
heartshower Yahoo!!!! heartshower

The seat is being made today, shipped ASAP through Phoenix USA.


Title: Re: Made A Decision Replacing The Barrel Chair
Post by: gradygal on December 13, 2010, 02:35:57 pm
Yahoo and Merry Christmas!

Judi


Title: Re: Made A Decision Replacing The Barrel Chair
Post by: TomHanlon on December 13, 2010, 04:42:43 pm
Yea! Just in time for Christmas. Be use to take pictures and post them for us that might want to follow your lead once again.


Title: Re: Made A Decision Replacing The Barrel Chair
Post by: pyrthkr on December 13, 2010, 04:56:03 pm
Congratulations Ron!  I'm sure you'll love it!
 ;)


Title: Re: Made A Decision Replacing The Barrel Chair
Post by: ron.dittmer on December 13, 2010, 05:35:25 pm
Thanks All.  The seat will be placed under the Christmas tree.  And YES, I will take pictures, before, during, and after installation for all to see if it is worth consideration for your own PC.

Tom, I wanted to say, per your comments, I bought one of those antenna digital booster thingies that attach to the underside of the Winegard antenna.  It cost me $30, cheap enough to see if it helps.  I do wonder how it attaches to the underside of the antenna as the antenna feet will be in the way of mounting it flush.  I will find out soon enough.


Title: Re: Made A Decision Replacing The Barrel Chair
Post by: TomHanlon on December 13, 2010, 05:56:14 pm
Ron, the rubber feet on the antenna pop off and this new part fits underneath the base, the new screws pop in the old holes. Takes about 5 minutes. It might even stop you rattling.


Title: Re: Made A Decision Replacing The Barrel Chair
Post by: ron.dittmer on December 14, 2010, 10:42:48 am
Thanks Tom for the clarity!


Title: Re: Made A Decision Replacing The Barrel Chair
Post by: ron.dittmer on December 21, 2010, 02:01:24 pm
This waiting goes on and on, doesn't it?  My updates are boring, even to me....until now.

Well Phoenix USA has come to the rescue.  Pauls Seating dropped off the seat at Phoenix USA, and has been shipped from there.  I have a tracking number and all.  Carol at Phoenix says it should arrive tomorrow or Thursday at the latest.

Yippie!
heartshower heartshower heartshower


Title: Re: Made A Decision Replacing The Barrel Chair
Post by: ron.dittmer on December 23, 2010, 01:45:44 pm
It Came, It's Here!

The color and style is a perfect match to my front seats with exception to the arm rests.  The originals have one horizontal stitched seam on the outward facing surface.  The new one has two curved vertical seams.  I don't think people will notice unless they happen to see them together.  An added feature is that the new seat has adjustable lumbar support.

I will take pictures of everything before, during, and after installation so you have a real good idea of what to expect if considering this for yourself.  I hope to install and post pics before New Years.

Merry Christmas!


Title: Re: Made A Decision Replacing The Barrel Chair
Post by: ron.dittmer on December 29, 2010, 12:34:24 am
Cost of seat from Pauls Seating:  $375 with both armrests ($365 if no arm rests), $106 shipping.
Here is the seat and the carton it came in.  The color is a perfect match to my front seats.
The lower skirts are folded up with shrink wrap to protect them, removed once installed.
Sorry: PICTURE OBSOLETED

Here is the arm rest with vertical curved stitching.  My other seats have one horizontal seam.
Note the lumbar support adjustment.
Sorry: PICTURE OBSOLETED


Here is the 8" side-to-side seat track.  I understand, if you buy a used seat that was installed in the front, you would have 11".  You'd have to drill new holes and mount the tracks closer together to fit on the pedistal.
The seat adjustment is only front to back.  I understand the swivel adjustment is on the pedistal.
Sorry: PICTURE OBSOLETED


Title: Re: Made A Decision Replacing The Barrel Chair
Post by: NLK on December 29, 2010, 09:53:07 am
Wow ... that definitely is a very nice seat and well worth waiting for...Enjoy


Title: Re: Made A Decision Replacing The Barrel Chair
Post by: TomHanlon on December 30, 2010, 11:14:09 am
Ron, I am holding my breath for part 2. No pressure.

My front seats did not come with a lumbar support system. Is the lumbar support something you added for this seat or do your front seats also have it?

You do know you are getting me in trouble with my wife. "How much can you add to this motorhome?" she said.   >( roflol


Title: Re: Made A Decision Replacing The Barrel Chair
Post by: ron.dittmer on December 30, 2010, 11:19:39 am
Tom,

That was my wife's comment too.  roflol  That is how it became my one and only Christmas present.  And then it was still a financial stretch.  But it didn't take much convincing for my wife to understand my point.  Also considering we have the dinette, there is no real comfortable seat without swiveling the passenger seat, which we do only when we have guests because it is a bit of work.

My 2007 2350 front seats do NOT have adjustable lumbar support.  I didn't expect this new seat to have it.  It was simply a pleasant surprise to see when I removed it from the shipping carton.


Title: Re: Made A Decision Replacing The Barrel Chair
Post by: ron.dittmer on January 08, 2011, 11:20:28 pm
It's installed.  See it HERE (http://phoenixusarv.com/community/index.php?topic=8.0), item #22.
Thanks Bob (gl1500), I wouldn't have done it without your influence in your old 2350.  Thanks for the pics and information to get me to doing this.  It's great!  I think this should be offered as an option in applicable models.

Given we have the dinette, this 3rd captain seat is really the only easy access comfort seat.  I think my wife and I will be drawing straws or make deals often.


Title: Re: Made A Decision Replacing The Barrel Chair
Post by: TomHanlon on January 09, 2011, 08:25:45 am
Really nice job.  2o2 Thank you for all the pictures.  I have the OK to order a new chair tomorrow.  :cool
How difficult was it getting the old chair out the door and the new chair in? Any tricks, like turning them on their side or on their back?  :help

Remember to explain to your DW that you get to use it sometimes also.


Title: Re: Made A Decision Replacing The Barrel Chair
Post by: ron.dittmer on January 09, 2011, 05:22:56 pm
Thanks for the compliments Tom.  You are right in stating the seats go in and out through the entry door by holding them sideways and lead through with the back rests.  No trouble doing that at all.

I have no slide, no couch/bed, just the fixed dinette.  Bob M. has been asking me some interesting questions via direct email.  He is concerned the captain seat may stick out too far to interfere with his fully opened trifold couch/bed in his slide.  It's all about dimensions as follows.

33.25" - Front edge of new captain seat to back wall
17.25" - pedistal base plate to back wall   (concern of variation between motor homes)
6.00" - pedistal base plate to edge of entry step   (concern of variation between motor homes)

Bob M. stated he recalls having roughly 6" betwen his barrel chair and his open tri-fold couch/bed.  Air beds might be tighter.

Ron


Title: Re: Made A Decision Replacing The Barrel Chair
Post by: bobander on January 09, 2011, 08:20:14 pm
Bob M. stated he recalls having roughly 6" betwen his barrel chair and his open tri-fold couch/bed.  Air beds might be tighter.

Hope this is helpful, when we bought our 2010 2551 we compared a 2009 tri-fold couch/bed with a 2010 air bed and found that the air bed was 8 inches shorter.  That is there was 8 inches more room between the end of the bed and the kitchen cabinets.

Bob A

Sorry, now that I think about it, the 8 inches was with the tri-fold and air bed in the sofa position.  I did not check the difference in the bed positions.


Title: Re: Made A Decision Replacing The Barrel Chair
Post by: mciai2000 on January 11, 2011, 01:13:59 pm
Ron:

Nice job on the chair.  Looks great.

DJM


Title: Re: Made A Decision Replacing The Barrel Chair
Post by: pyrthkr on January 11, 2011, 03:31:40 pm
Chair looks great Ron!  I especially like the "ottoman" foot rest!
 2o2


Title: Re: Made A Decision Replacing The Barrel Chair
Post by: ron.dittmer on January 11, 2011, 03:39:26 pm
I especially like the "ottoman" foot rest!
Yes, in small motor homes some things must serve multiple purposes.  That dinette bench is much more comfortable as an ottoman with the new seat, than it does serving it's main purpose.


Title: Re: Made A Decision Replacing The Barrel Chair
Post by: billy on January 11, 2011, 09:43:34 pm
Very nice job, billy


Title: Re: Made A Decision Replacing The Barrel Chair
Post by: TomHanlon on January 13, 2011, 04:57:15 pm
Yippee,  !:)! today i ordered my barrel chair replacment. After seeing Ron's pictures, doing some mesuring and looking at all the other chairs as options, I ordered one that matches my captains chairs. I ordered it with both arms but passed on the lumbar support for additional $60.
    The  distance from the air bed when out and the current barrel chair when all the way back against the wall is 7 inches. With the new chair being about 2 inches deeper, I should still have 5 inches to spare. Since we hardly ever use the air bed this should be fine. Currently when watching TV, I sit in the barrel chair and put my feet up on the driver's seats arm rest, which is one of the advantage of having long legs.
    Now I just have to wait about two weeks before the chair gets here.

Thank you Ron for all your write ups and pictures and Thank you Bob M. for starting all this. If you two want to sent any money to my wife to pay for this chair and keep me out of trouble, please feel free to do so.  roflol

    It is nice to have an understand and forgiving wife.  ((hug))


Title: Re: Made A Decision Replacing The Barrel Chair
Post by: ron.dittmer on January 13, 2011, 05:13:24 pm
Tom,

As you can imagine, you are going to love that new seat.  Being able to kick back like that after a long day outdoors, is going to feel so good.

I put my barrel chair up for sale on Craigslist, hoping to recoupe some cost.


Title: Re: Replaced Our Barrel Chair With A 3rd Captain Seat
Post by: billy on January 14, 2011, 11:22:19 am
After looking at the pictures again, I think you might have a problem getting equal time in that chair. She looks pretty comfortable! billy


Title: Re: Replaced Our Barrel Chair With A 3rd Captain Seat
Post by: NLK on January 15, 2011, 10:44:30 am
Ron ... I love your new chair.  If you would tell me please, the width of your chair from the outside edge of the arm to the outside edge of the other arm.  Also what would the width be if there were no arms on your chair. I'm pondering over an idea if it fits.  Thanks


Title: Re: Replaced Our Barrel Chair With A 3rd Captain Seat
Post by: gradygal on January 15, 2011, 10:58:49 am
We were thinking of doing something similar.

We just traded in our 2350 Sprinter with the barrel chair for a 2011 2551. We hoped that we could put a captains chair behind the cab passenger seat. We just went over to our "Factory Direct" dealer and measured the space and it looks like it is not doable.

At the Tampa Show, yesterday, we saw the 2552 with the Euro chair and it really looks super. Unfortunately, there is not enough space in the 2551.

If you come up with an idea, let us know. We did see a narrow Captain's Chair made by Flexsteel--24" wide with the arms at the show but that will not fit.

Judi


Title: Re: Replaced Our Barrel Chair With A 3rd Captain Seat
Post by: ron.dittmer on January 15, 2011, 11:15:23 am
NLK,

Assuming you plan to get a matching seat to your front ones, and given seats are differently styled between model years, and then the variation of cloth versus leather....

Simply measure your own front seats.  Just add whatever is needed for the extra armrest.  If it's too difficult, try measuring from the center point to the outside edge of the armrest, x2.

Ron


Title: Re: Replaced Our Barrel Chair With A 3rd Captain Seat
Post by: ron.dittmer on January 15, 2011, 11:27:08 am
Judy,

That is why the 2552 was designed.  It specifically provides the space for a 3rd seat.  The only thing I can think of is to get the 2552.


Title: Re: Replaced Our Barrel Chair With A 3rd Captain Seat
Post by: NLK on January 15, 2011, 11:45:12 am
Thank you....
I'm pondering over putting 2 reclining chairs in the slideout and removing the couch.  The couch is very uncomfortable to sit on.  Can you think of any options or idea that might be available instead of the couch??


Title: Re: Replaced Our Barrel Chair With A 3rd Captain Seat
Post by: bobander on January 15, 2011, 12:33:53 pm
Thank you....
I'm pondering over putting 2 reclining chairs in the slideout and removing the couch.  The couch is very uncomfortable to sit on.  Can you think of any options or idea that might be available instead of the couch??

The new air-bed sofa that PC started using in 2010 is very comfortable to sit and lay on.  We were looking at a 2009 and the 2010 when we purchased and the difference was amazing.  Since the bed is an inflatable mattress, the cushions are just for sofa use, no compromise.  If you want to stay with a sofa you might be able to change to the new air-bed sofa.

Bob


Title: Re: Replaced Our Barrel Chair With A 3rd Captain Seat
Post by: bigbadjc on January 15, 2011, 02:11:48 pm
While I agree that RV sofas are often not the most comfortable seats in the world, there is one thing you might want to consider.  I've seen 2551s with dinettes instead of sofas and with two large arm chairs with hassocks in place of the sofa for sale on the internet, and neither configuration ever seems to sell as quickly for as good a price as the sofa model.  Some people may definitely prefer the chairs or dinette, but as is often the case with any customization. it may affect the resale value.  If you changed the sofa out, you might want to keep it in the garage in case you sell your unit in the future.

Jerry


Title: Re: Replaced Our Barrel Chair With A 3rd Captain Seat
Post by: ron.dittmer on January 15, 2011, 02:27:48 pm
Changing your old tri-fold sofa with a newer air-sofa or two front captain chairs, seem to be two practical choices.  Just be sure there is nothing else bolted to the floor there that would get in the way mounting something different.

For the record, here are the biggest width dimensions of my 2007 leather seats, supplied by Pauls Seating called Lexus, picture taken off Paul's website.
20.5" - measuring the widest part without armrests, which includes the reclining side lever
24.5" - with armrests folded down
25.0" - with armrests folded up

Remember you will also have to purchase two pedistals, two sets of seat belts, and mounting hardware.  But maybe you could reuse your couch seat belts.

The seats sold today have a minor difference in style for the armrests.  No longer as shown having a single horizontal seam, but rather two curved stitchings as my new seat have.
(http://paulsseating.com/Lexus%20chair.jpg)


Title: Re: Replaced Our Barrel Chair With A 3rd Captain Seat
Post by: gradygal on January 15, 2011, 02:44:19 pm
Judy,

That is why the 2552 was designed.  It specifically provides the space for a 3rd seat.  The only thing I can think of is to get the 2552.

When we placed our order on Dec. 1, we did not know that there was such a thing as a 2552 so it seems that we will get the 2551 and be happy with that.


Title: Re: Replaced Our Barrel Chair With A 3rd Captain Seat
Post by: ron.dittmer on January 15, 2011, 03:02:01 pm
If you prefer the 2552, it never hurts to ask the factory if you can change your model.  Maybe they are at a point where they can still equip your 2551 for general sales.  I think the 2552 is $3000 more according to Bob who bought one.


Title: Re: Replaced Our Barrel Chair With A 3rd Captain Seat
Post by: billy on January 15, 2011, 06:33:54 pm
While I agree that RV sofas are often not the most comfortable seats in the world, there is one thing you might want to consider.  I've seen 2551s with dinettes instead of sofas and with two large arm chairs with hassocks in place of the sofa for sale on the internet, and neither configuration ever seems to sell as quickly for as good a price as the sofa model.  Some people may definitely prefer the chairs or dinette, but as is often the case with any customization. it may affect the resale value.  If you changed the sofa out, you might want to keep it in the garage in case you sell your unit in the future.

Jerry

Where on the internet do you find these things, billy


Title: Re: Replaced Our Barrel Chair With A 3rd Captain Seat
Post by: bigbadjc on January 15, 2011, 08:21:35 pm
When I was shopping around for a used PC 2551, I did a lot of googling and looking at eBay and sites like PPL Motorhomes in Houston where I eventually bought my 2006 in virtually new condition.  In general, good used 2551s were snapped up quickly if the price was at least reasonable.  However, I remember one in particular in Florida that was very low priced and took quite some time to sell that had the two large easy chairs and hassocks.  Also, I notice that the PC website has had a couple of ones with the dinette that seemed to hang on longer than the standard sofa.  One in particular was one that because of a change in family conditions was returned to the factory and advertised at a very good price, but hung around for a few weeks.  I'm just suggesting that if you make changes to a coach you already own, you might want to retain the means of restoring it to the "uncustomized" condition.  By definition customization means tailoring the unit to your particular tastes, not necessarily those of the general public.

Jerry

Jerry


Title: Re: Replaced Our Barrel Chair With A 3rd Captain Seat
Post by: billy on January 15, 2011, 10:22:46 pm
I agree with you Jerry. We had a 27 foot trailer we took the couch out BUT kept it and when we sold the trailer we put the couch back. Each time we got a different rig I would say, "THIS IS IT"      roflol   Ya sure.


Title: Re: Replaced Our Barrel Chair With A 3rd Captain Seat
Post by: NLK on January 16, 2011, 08:59:04 am
Replacing the couch in my slide out:   From everyone's input, it appears the resale value might very well be effected.  I had not thought about that happening.  Gosh ... I guess I had better rethink this whole idea.  Thank you to everyone !!


Title: Re: Replaced Our Barrel Chair With A 3rd Captain Seat
Post by: ron.dittmer on January 17, 2011, 10:31:52 am
As long as the modification can be reversed, I don't see a problem making the mod.  I would take a bunch of good pictures before the mods, kept in-case you sell.  You could then show both variations as a selling feature.  Give your buyer a choice, couch or captain seats.

In my particular case, I cannot see anyone ever thinking that barrel chair is preferred over the third captain seat.  I hope to sell the barrel chair, just to get it out of the house and recoupe $100.

If I was worried about resale, I would have included the slide-out option in our order.  But then the motor home wouldn't be what we wanted.

When selling any vehicle in general, if it does not look "owner modified", with good presentation, you should be successful.  I had a hobby of buying and selling Corvettes.  To be successful in getting the car's true value, it must look like it just came off the factory floor.  Internet pictures must be of high quality, showing every detail with proper lighting and all the rest.  Good pictures and good description will get the inquiries and eventually will make the sale happen.

It makes me smile when I see a used motor home for sale by owner with everything personal still inside the thing showing how "lived in" it is.  That is NOT good.  They really need to get 100% of their personal stuff out, clean it all up well, close the cabinet doors, fluff up the couch bolsters, open the blinds, lower the toilet seat, etc. etc. then take great pictures.  If they want to include personal stuff, place it all elsewhere, take pictures of it separately, and keep it all separate, especially when people come to see the motor home in person.  The goal is to make the buyer feel like they are buying a "Like New" motor home.


Title: Re: Replaced Our Barrel Chair With A 3rd Captain Seat
Post by: NLK on January 17, 2011, 05:30:54 pm
If the modification can be reversed back to the way it was.... good idea.  I still don't know what I'm doing yet.  I really like the couch that goes into a bed but the dang thing is so uncomforable to sit on.  It seems if the couch back had more of a pitch to it, it might be more comfortable.  (WH) Gee I just don't know what to do.  I absolutely love my motorhome.


Title: Re: Replaced Our Barrel Chair With A 3rd Captain Seat
Post by: ron.dittmer on January 17, 2011, 06:15:42 pm
If we had the earlier couch and it wasn't working for us, we would be looking at alternatives.  That has been my philosophy throughout the motorhome.  I do try to make changes that could pass as a factory installed feature.  Not home made looking.  If it's home made looking all the way, then I would try to make it reversible.  But so far so good.


Title: Re: Replaced Our Barrel Chair With A 3rd Captain Seat
Post by: TomHanlon on January 17, 2011, 06:58:59 pm
Taking out the couch is like removing one of the bedrooms in your house. Both reduce the number of beds, places to sleep. Both would hurt your resale value. If you are trading it in at an RV dealer, the dealer will just look in his book (NADA, blue or black) and get the tradein value. He would most likely not ask about the couch vs to chairs. Phoenix would know the difference and it might, I say might make a difference to them at tradein time. This is how a dealer can quote you a dollar amount for you trade without seeing it. At least this is what the dealer I worked at and the ones on know of used to do. I worked at an RV dealer for the last four years of my working life before really retiring five years ago.

I notice that you have a 2008 PC, which I think has the old jack knife sofa. Have you tried sitting on the newer sofa with the air bed. Ours is very confortable. I am changing out our barrel chair because it is not very confortable for sitting on for more than a few minutes. I would not change out the sofa for the barrel chairs, but I would think about changing the sofas if yours is that unconfortable. This is just my opinion.


Title: Re: Replaced Our Barrel Chair With A 3rd Captain Seat
Post by: bigbadjc on January 17, 2011, 07:38:36 pm
I think Tom has given a good summary of the replace the sofa or not argument.  One thing that I wonder about is just what could you fit in?  I have a 2006 2551 that has the jacknife sofa and I believe that it is a 54" full size bed, not a queen.  Looking at lounge chairs and captains chairs make me wonder if you could fit two of them side by side in the slide out, or would you be forced to use smaller chairs like barrel chairs or upright chairs with ottomans.  I'm not planning to do any changing on the sofa so I haven't measured, but it sure seems to me it could be a tight fit.  Does anybody know anyone who personally had the sofa replaced with two chairs??


Jerry


Title: Re: Replaced Our Barrel Chair With A 3rd Captain Seat
Post by: ron.dittmer on January 17, 2011, 10:03:19 pm
Jerry,

Given we don't have a slideout, I cannot measure myself.  Get out your tape measure and see if my captain seat dimensions x2 below will work.

With armrests folded up, it measures 25.0" wide (the widest point).  1/2" less when folded down.  If ordered without armrests, it would measure 20.5" wide.  You will also need to consider some space in between, and also swiveling action if that is a requirement.  If you mount them on NON-swivel pedistal bases, maybe you could get enough dead space in between two seats to add a small dinette table.

What is the interior width open area of both the older and newer (with fridge) slide outs?