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Title: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: aimee on January 12, 2009, 06:10:35 pm
Welcome to Phoenix USA RV's Discussion Board. We think you'll find this is a nice place to hang out. Why don't you start off with a little introduction and tell us a bit about yourself?


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Homer on January 15, 2009, 02:44:27 pm
 hithere: I am a long time class A owner and presently own an Itasca Suncruiser.  I have been considering downsizing to a smaller RV.  I just recently came across the "Phoenix Cruiser".  I like what I see, but have only seen pictures. I have been supplied much information from another owner of a Phoenix Cruiser, he has been invaluable with his help. 
I would like to attain information on Phoenix Cruiser dealer network and above all, learn of any RV Shows in the Midwest that will have Phoenix Cruisers on display.  An e-mail to the company only produced an e-mail from a dealer rather distant from here.  In the summer that would be fine, but it is the dead of winter and I would like something closer to home.
It is also of interest if Phoenix Cruiser has survived the recent company closures.
I am sure as time progresses I will have more pertinent questions to ask.  Right now I am very interested in the PC as a replacement for My Class A.    tymote


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on January 15, 2009, 05:01:55 pm
Hi,

This is my first post on the Phoenix Cruiser forum!

My wife and I own a 2007 Phoenix Cruiser model 2350.  Our introduction to the PC was at an RV show at the Stevenson Convention Center in Rosemont, IL in February of 2007.  We ordered ours the following May from Don Keller, the one man opperation of East Acres RV in Mendon MA.  Given we are near Chicago, Don worked it out for us to pick it up ourselves from the factory in Elkhart, IN.  I beleive that was on June 20th, 2007.

We had decided to buy a Phoenix Cruiser 2350 primarily because it was the largest motor home with a full-time permanent bed that we could fit inside our garage.  Soon after we got it home, we realized the level of quality, especially when considering the price we paid.  It didn't take me long to find the forum called RV.net.  I think everyone there has since heard more about the Phoenix Cruiser than they care to.

We tow a small light weight fun car, a 2000 Toyota MR2 Spyder that weighs only 2100 pounds.  We manage without secondary braking for the car.  It is towed 4-wheels-down, meaning we do not use a tow dolly or trailer.  We could manage trips without a tow vehicle, but choose to for the mobility and fun sightseeing in a little two seat sports car.

Our 2007 PC-2350 model is built on a 2007 Ford E350 chassis.  We didn't care for the handling of our rig when conditions were poor such as gusty cross winds, trucks passing, irregular road surfaces, and "The Lean" when taking on curves in the road.  A visit to a local truck & RV suspension shop had us fixed up so our PC-2350 now handles like an SUV.  With the car in-tow, we can take on in full confidence,  the worst any paved road can offer.

Like many people, we have implemented some ideas to make our RVing experience more enjoyable, through minor changes and/or improvements with our PC-2350.  Since posting this thread I have put together another thread HERE (http://www.phoenixusarv.com/community/index.php/topic,8.0.html) with pictures that documents most of the changes I've made over the years

I hope this blog takes off.  It would be great to converse with other PC owners and interested parties exclusively.

Ron Dittmer
2007 PC-2350


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Penny on January 15, 2009, 05:12:57 pm
Just saw Stuart at the Tampa RV Show and he asked me to check out this new forum addition.  Great Idea and I look forward to reading everyones input.
When my husband died 3 years ago I sold our Class A as I hadn’t been the driver and felt it was too big for me to handle alone.  Last year I started looking for a Class C. Requirements were power drivers seat(I’m short), levelers(no more ramps and blocks) and twin beds(one grandson ready to camp).  Went to Hershey RV show in September and found the perfect fit… the 2551 Phoenix Cruiser.  I modified the floor plan by eliminating the slide, replaced sofa with 2 chairs and fold down table, and provided room for golf clubs with lift up platform under the bed.  I picked up my RV the end of October at the factory where I stayed overnight testing everything out.  Next day Kermit (owner of Phoenix) and his crew fine tuned my rig, hooked up my tow vehicle and I headed for home.  Over the next 350 miles my knuckles lost their white color and even relaxed. The best part about dealing with a small company is the personal attention and being able to ask the “dumb” questions and getting a helpful response.  Kermit builds a quality vehicle and takes pride in doing it right the first time.  He’s always available to answer my questions and it’s more than reassuring that he stands behind his vehicles even after they’ve left his factory.  My maiden trip was to Florida for the winter and I’m looking forward to future travel.  If you’re downsizing or looking for an RV that’s friendly to drive you should check out the Phoenix for quality construction and personal attention.

Penny Keller
2009 PC-2551


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Homer on January 15, 2009, 07:24:18 pm
I think this is going to be a very good forum, I am personally very glad to see it initiated.  Ron and Penny you both are very reassuring when it comes to the Phoenix Cruiser.  Ron has sent me a great deal of information and has taken the time to explain his coach and its amenities.  He also has given me information on the availability of just what I think I am looking for in a 2350.  I just need to see and spend a little time around one in a show or a dealer. This weather is not conducive to RV shopping right now.  I have e-mailed PC for dealer information and to find if they have any of their products showing at RV shows in the Midwest.  I have not heard from them as of this minute.  Looking forward to seeing more and more post on this forum. Homer 2o2


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: jpf on January 15, 2009, 08:48:59 pm
Me & the missus have just acquired a 2002 pc2301. We'll be out next w/end at a close state park trying it out. Probably in the snow the way things are going. I'm pleased to see a forum specifically for PC owners. I hope it thrives. I have plenty of questions to ask heh!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on January 15, 2009, 09:45:32 pm
Homer,

Where in the midwest are you exactly, state and town?  Maybe there is someone in your area who can show you a later model PC to check over.

Ron


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Homer on January 16, 2009, 08:45:14 am
I am located in the North West part of Ohio, West of Lima on U.S.-30.  There is going to be a large RV Super Show at the Dayton Expo center next week, that follows with a 2nd show at the same location, then Indianapolis RV Show, then Ft. Wayne.  I am trying to learn if PC might be at one of these shows.  No response from factory to date.  I don't wish to impose on any private owner.  Most would be either South or winterized right now. :) 


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on January 16, 2009, 11:05:23 am
Homer,

You are only 150 miles from the factory.  Why not take a day off work and drive the 3 hours to the factory for a tour?  My wife and I made a day of it, enjoying our 3 hour trip to the factory.  Our visit there helped a lot in our decision of options, fabrics, and colors.  We met many of the workers.  You could tell they took pride in what they do there.  You get the impression of a close knit group of people who care.  They were very helpful in sharing of ideas and also comparing things like cloth versus leather....all kinds of things.  When we visited them in May of 2007, they had four different models ready for delivery, along with numerous 2350s at different stages of the assembly process.  When we left there, we knew exactly what we wanted.

If something made to your specifications is less important, buying one already built will yield a better value.  Right now there are new 2007s and 2008s on dealer lots, discounted heavily.  The factory wouldn't mind if you placed a custom order on a new one, or bought an existing one from a PC dealer.  Did I mention Don Keller of East Acres RV in MA?  He has a new 2007 2350 with lots of factory options, plus some of his own added options.  It is heavily discounted.

If you were near the Chicago northwest suburbs, I wouldn't mind showing you our 2007 2350.  It is in our heated garage with the temperature as warm as desired.  It is winterized so you couldn't try out the plumbing, but you can surely do a walk-through and try out most things electrical.

Ron


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: geomusic on January 25, 2009, 08:20:18 pm
Hello,

It's nice to see a blog specifically for Phoenix Cruiser. I bought an PC-2950 a few months ago. So far, it has done very well and I'm enjoying it for weekend trips around Florida. It appears well built compared to some other RV's and I'm enjoying the overall quality of the rig. I would recommend it to others looking for a reliable B+ or C.

George
2006 PC-2950


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: John Weaver on January 26, 2009, 09:25:29 am
Welcome to Phoenix USA RV's Discussion Board. We think you'll find this is a nice place to hang out. Why don't you start off with a little introduction and tell us a bit about yourself?
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I presently own a 2006 PleasureWay Plateau class B motor home.  We really like it, but would like a little larger motor home with a full shower.  We have been looking at Phoenix Cruisers for a while, and we are interested in learning more about them before we purchase one.  We would like to hear about your experiences in owning a Phoenix Cruiser.  We need a motor home that we can comfortably go across country in and possibly to Alaska, as our children and grandchildren live on the west coast and in Alaska.  We appreciate any information you can share with us.
Thanks, John and Lucy Weaver in sunny Florida


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on January 26, 2009, 12:43:39 pm
John Weaver,

Coming from a B, you will find a B+ Phoenix Cruiser very roomy.  It is still scaled down by most Class-C standards, which I personally think is one of it's strong points.  It is a complete motorhome with full and truly useful ammenities with decent holding tanks, yet still easy to drive.....at least my 2350 is.  If you are big and/or very tall people with excessive weight issues, then I would advise you look at other larger brands.  But coming from a B, I would assume that is not your physical profile.  A PC has an interior ceiling height of only 6'-4" with most bed lengths generally comfortable for people under 6'.  I think there are a few with beds to accomodate taller people.  At 5'-11" I am very comforatble in our 2350.  My wife and I exclusive use the shower, and find it completely practical.  Not just size, but also with hot & cold water and sewage.  As tiny as the bathroom is, one person can shower and the other can use it's other facilities with no problems.

See my website for lots of interior pictures:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/37432012@N08/sets/72157617468317295/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/37432012@N08/sets/72157617468317295/)

We went on an Alaska cruise through many ports, taking one shore excursion into the Yukon.  We got to experience the roads, and are very confident our 2350 is ideal for such travel.  Then when you consider it gets better gas mileage than the bigger rigs, has the huge 55 gallon gas tank, you are well equipped for long isolated runs between gas stations.  We get near 10mpg towing our car, but never went any long distances to determine mileage without towing.  I estimate it could be very close to 12mpg.  If we went to Alaska, we would not tow our car.

We had some suspension upgrades done which helped a lot in driver fatigue.  We are ready for an Alaska trip, execpt my job would never tollerate my absense for so long.  Our 2350 is very comfortable for two people, taking trips of such long distances.  It was always like being at home from Chicago to San Francisco, to Las Vegas and back.  Of coarse, seeing everything in between.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: geomusic on January 26, 2009, 05:41:19 pm
Hello John and Lucy,

I agree with Ron that you will find the Phoenix Cruiser roomier than your PleasureWay depending, of course, on which PW model you have. And I agree that the PC is probably better for people under 6' unless you have no issues with a low ceiling. My PC has beautiful cherry cabinets but, if I had my druthers, I would have chosen the maple. Because the PC walls curve in at the top and the ceiling is lower than a class C, I think the lighter wood would provide an airier feeling. But that's just my personal preference. I saw the 09's at the recent Tampa RV show. They looked nice but the dark wood and the darker Corian they had on display gave them a smaller feel.

The size of the shower is fine for me, so far. Of course, if I gain a few more pounds...

My PC handles beautifully on the highway, even without any steering or suspension enhancements. It drives more smoothly than my '04 Concord. And it does not get buffeted around like my big Class A Dolphin. 18-wheelers loved to blow that one off the road. The curved sides and lower profile of the PC really make a difference.

Mechanically, my '06 is doing very well. I looked at quite a few B+ rigs. Aside from the Dynamax (that is very pricey), my choice again would be the Phoenix Cruiser.

George in Florida
2006 PC-2950


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: jpf on January 26, 2009, 06:08:39 pm
I presently own a 2006 PleasureWay Plateau class B motor home.

Well, that's a sprinter chassis from what I've seen and has it's own pros & cons.
I would be envious of the MPG you get from a sprinter compared to a ford. But the extra width of a B+ will give you lots of space to spread yourselves out a bit which is what I feel is necessary for long distance touring. Plus it's great if the seating doesn't also do double duty as the bed!
The new sprinter chassis'd cruiser models might be the best of both worlds!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Phoenix on January 27, 2009, 01:59:48 pm
 hithere

I bought my new 2007 Phoenix Cruise 2900 with double slideouts by ordering it through an English Dealer who arranged for its importation and delivery to the United Kingdom (I believe it still is the only PC in the UK).
Previously I have had 4 new RV's from the USA. First was a 'C' Class followed by 3 'A' Class.
A couple of points concerning my downsizing.
First: Getting used to the reduced external locker space. I tow a Suzuki Grand Vitara 4 wheels down which I now use as an extra 'locker'  :lol.
Second: I was surprised how poor the turning circle of the E450 chassis was compared to previous 'A' class Motorhomes owned :beg.
Apart from the above I am very pleased with the Cruiser and would recommended it to anyone wishing to downsize or looking for a good well made reasonably priced B+.

Chris


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on January 27, 2009, 03:02:38 pm
QUOTE:::: I was surprised how poor the turning circle of the E450 chassis was.........

You think that is bad?  You should have tried the late 80's model years.  My parents had a 1987 Econoline van.  That was so much worse.  I suppose it depends on where you are coming from.  I do agree with you still.  Ford could improve there some more.

Ron


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: don on January 29, 2009, 10:18:05 pm
Does not turning radius vary with wheel base?

Don


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: jpf on January 30, 2009, 09:00:58 am
Certainly, but I wouldn't be surprised if all but the shorter length cruisers have the same wheelbase.
The real issue is how far the back end is swinging out when turning in a tight circle. The lock might be limited but weight can also cause problems.
I used to deliver fruit & veg in Kent, UK. When fully loaded the wheel lock on the truck wasn't enough to get around some small roundabouts (traffic circles) without going over the curb all the way around. As it got lighter it would tighten up the turning circle. The swing out was atrocious though, especially after lifting one of the rear axles (which I could do when it was light enough).


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: naplesfun on February 24, 2009, 03:39:08 pm
Our 29 1/2' 2007 Phoenix Cruiser is the finest of the four motor homes we have owned and easy to drive for both of us.

We had a wonderful class A, wide-body diesel pusher and we are just as comfortable in our Phoenix Cruiser.  We spend five months as a snowbird and get along just fine.

Our full-body paint job attracts people who wish to see the coach whereever we go.

Kermit and his staff are just superb.  Always ready to answer questions or to make changes.

We could not be more pleased with the quaity of our Phoenix Cruiser motor home.

Steve and Sandi
Indiana


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Ajarand on April 06, 2009, 06:56:14 pm
We have an 06' PC 2100 purchased new in November of 07.  The limits of our garage are 21' long and under 10' high and this unit fits with an inch to spare both ways:)
We unsized a bit from our Class B Great West Classic Supreme.. thats the one with the high top.
SO far, we love the PC and it provides the perfect combination of enough room, while still small enough to go, and park, nearly anywhere.
Most of our use is travelling from Illinois to New Orleans or to the Philadelphia area where we stay in it while visiting inlaws and children.
We have ahs a few minor problems, and have made a few minor changes, but overall really like this unit.
Handles sooooo much better than the Great West.
Alan and Marjorie Jarand
Bloomington, Il.   


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on April 07, 2009, 04:41:35 pm
I hear you regarding the garage limitation.  Same story here, but with a 25' deep garage and 10 foot high door.  With the 2350 parked inside, I have just enough room to suck in my gut to get around the spare tire cover.  Fortunately the RV is along the far wall, with rarely a need to get around it.  Oh yes, we ordered the RV new, with the ladder and roof rack NOT installed.  That helped in getting around.  That hardware is in my attic.

I have about 2" from the top of a/c to the door opening.....it just makes it inside.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: t.pogue on April 16, 2009, 06:40:15 pm
My wife Julie and I are wannabe Phoenix Cruiser owners. We used to own a Tioga, but wanted something smaller.  I am hoping for a break through purchase before this summer.  I just wanted to say hi to all of you and especially the Jarands as we also live in Bloomington-Normal and would love to see their Cruiser someday.  My e-mail is t.pogue@comcast.net if you think that would be possible.  It might just be the final nudge to get my wife to sign off on the deal.  Hope you all enjoy your travels this year.  Tim and Julie, Normal, Il.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Residency140 on May 01, 2009, 12:55:46 pm
Name is Baker.  We have an Allegro Bay, 37DB, class A.  My husband isn't suppose to drive long distances so we need to downsize to something I can drive.  Trying to decide between the 2551 and that new 31 that there isn't even pictures of yet.  These MH's have twin beds with bath in the back.  Do any of you have that type of floorplan and do you find the beds big enough? 
Thanks,


Title: Does Anyone in The Northeast have one we can see closer
Post by: Residency140 on May 01, 2009, 01:11:10 pm
Does anyone in the Northeast have a PC we could see.  We are considering buying the 2551 or 3100. We are located in Connecticut and I don't think there are any dealers here.  (We are in Danbury now, right on the NY border).

Thanks,


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: phoenixcruiser on May 07, 2009, 10:44:19 pm
Hi
We just purchased a 2010 Phoenix Cruiser 2551S, which is still in production. We visited the factory and were impressed with what we saw.  We are moving from a 31 ft class A to this one. The class A was nice, but a handful to drive. We usually travel long distances, and wanted the wife to be comfortable driving, too. Ron Dittmer and the forum were great sources of information. We first started looking at Phoenix Cruisers 6 years ago!
Nancy and Marty ;)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Simple Song on May 26, 2009, 09:17:10 pm
We are "UP SIZING" from a five years of cruising  on a thirty-five foot sailboat to a PC 2400.  If you eliminate the sailboat's engine/ cockpit and forepeak (used as garage) there was only about twelve feet of living space.  Since "swallowing the anchor" last year we discovered our  "walk about" bug just wont go away; too many places are calling. We researched MHs for years and are happy to have discovered the Phoenix Cruiser.  The 2400 is just right for our six months a year traveling plans and fits in our driveway. Delivery will be in late June (hopefully) and we plan extensive Midwest and New England touring through the fall.  As the leaves change we will head south to our Padre Island, TX home.  Remember there is a window that cruising sailors use traveling south: stay ahead of the snow and behind the mosquitoes. 

Tom and Lynn
Litter box trained Boat Dog "Mystic" - a Coton de Tulear
(it's hard to walk the dog 50 miles offshore)  (%)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: aimee on May 28, 2009, 10:17:42 am
Oh I LOVE the Coton de Tulear!  heartshower  We are definitely going to need pics of this well-traveled fellow.  (nod)

Welcome to the forum! We hope you jump right in and let us get to know you.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Simple Song on May 28, 2009, 08:24:43 pm
Trying to post pictures but success is ???????????????????


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: aimee on May 28, 2009, 10:10:36 pm
 :obm Oh, what a beauty!


Title: Towing Vehicles (was Introduce Yourself)
Post by: whaledriver on May 30, 2009, 01:03:22 am
Name is Baker.  We have an Allegro Bay, 37DB, class A.  My husband isn't suppose to drive long distances so we need to downsize to something I can drive.  Trying to decide between the 2551 and that new 31 that there isn't even pictures of yet.  These MH's have twin beds with bath in the back.  Do any of you have that type of floorplan and do you find the beds big enough? 
Thanks,
we purchased a 05 2551 in Texas in Late Feb 09 and traveled to the Rally in Albuquerque and found the beds quite comfortable and large enough..But we are 'little people'... I'm 5'6" and my wife is 5'2". We absolutely love our 2551. We get an average of 10.8 mpg w/o a tow..
BandV


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: whaledriver on June 07, 2009, 06:55:34 pm
 hithere   We bought our '05 2551 from PPL in Houston in Feb '09. Went to Abuquerque Rally in April and to Beeville, TX for a Navy reunion right after the Rally... As for introducing myself, my wife and I have been together now for 46 years and during that time we have owned a P/U with a 11'slide in, a 27' Holiday Rambler TT, a Winnebago 20' Brave(1971 vintage), a Coleman 12' pop up and now the '05 2551 PC and thinking back, I do believe that my 2551 has been my best choice, so far. Right now it is being repaired after I reduced the deer population in the State of Indiana by one. But we were very lucky. My air bags did not deploy and the damage was contained to the front end( grill and associated, transmission cooler, radiator and rt headlight) no damage to wife or I, except for ego. Will say that Good Sam Emergency was very good, however it took over 30 minutes to get thru to them.. It was a Friday evening around 9:15PM EST and I guess there were a lot of incoming calls... but everything is going fine now...should have RV back in a week or so and then off to another adventure. For those who are curious, the name 'whaledriver' was derived from the fact I am a Retired Navy Carrier Pilot and I flew the A3 Skywarrior for two years in Vietnam... the plane was given the nickname of 'whale' because it is the largest carrier based a/c that was ever in the Navy inventory.
Bandv


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Simple Song on June 08, 2009, 05:46:56 pm
RE: Reducing the deer population.  Been there , done that, got the T-Shirt.  Most of the pickup trucks here in Texas have "cow catchers" on the front. Seriously thinking of having one put on our 2400 when it is finished this July.

Greeetings to another Aviator.   "Simple Song"  (Tom) is a retired USAF pilot.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: jeffo1 on June 11, 2009, 09:37:42 pm
HELLO ALL....newbie here.....anyone in the south bay area (gardena, torrance ca) with a phoenix cruiser?
looking for some help on getting acquainted with my 2350.....

Thanks  JEFF


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: lghjr on August 13, 2009, 09:11:04 pm
Last I looked at the Phoenix page, I did not see a forum. I had to look up a spec on mine (2700) and found this place. Neat to have for q's.

Wife and I are retired and this is the second ''B'' we have had, along with two trailers and an ''A''.  I got tired of dragging the trailer and bought the first B in 91 and had it for 10 years. 

Retired and had to have a diesel A, Holiday Rambler Ambassador, right after Monaco bought them.  Shop had it more than I did first year. It was a Monaco Knight built as an Amb' and was a holy nightmare from one end to the other.  Sold it via the I-net to a dealer in SoCal and had to be one of my 10 best days ever, watching it leave my credit unions lot in Tulsa, Ok.

Had another trailer here - big mistake, two trips and on the block.

I found my '07 PC 2700 online and watched it for about 6 months before the dealer and I could reach an accommodation I could live with.  It was owned by the proverbial little old lady, well actually a Ford dealer/president who had always had class A's and his wife hated the downsize and it only had 9K on the speedo and one knick in the paint that I could find.  He bought another A and I bought the B, small world.

I think I have the cred through ownership to make a statement that this one is as good as it gets.  Hope it stays that way.

I like the unit, alot.  Good to be here.

L. G. 


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: aimee on August 13, 2009, 09:49:52 pm
 (w) wavecow

Nice to have you here!  It's great for all of us to have our more seasoned campers pull up a seat and visit for a while!



Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on August 14, 2009, 03:35:13 pm
 I think I have the credentials through ownership to make a statement that this one is as good as it gets.  Hope it stays that way.

I like the unit, alot.  Good to be here.

L. G.  

Hey there LG.

What model year is your 2700?

For what it is worth, I think the PC is built much better than other motor homes in the same price range.  If you want better yet, you'd have to spend twice as much.  Cruisers are a great value.

I put together a nice long post in the Tips and Tricks section with lots of pictures.  You might find some ideas applicable to your needs and preferences.

Welcome Aboard!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: lghjr on August 15, 2009, 10:05:05 pm
Thanks for the welcomes.  Our Cruiser is a 2007 2700.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: jwhyt10 on October 01, 2009, 09:57:06 am
Hi, I just took delivery of a 2010 Cruiser 2400.  It feels massive compared to my 1999 Rialta.  I am looking forward to getting on the road andtrying out all the features.


Title: Newbies
Post by: Awilson on November 04, 2009, 10:17:27 am
Hi everyone, I am new to MH's and Phoenix Cruiser just this year. We purchased a used 2006 2400 that had 15k miles on it earlier this year as it appeared to have hardly been used. Oven still had the shipping cardboard in it. So far we love the ability to be mobile without having to tow another vehicle. We are still learning the differences between a fiver and a MH.
It appears we are going to semi-retire early next year due to the economy being the way it is but we will take whatever is handed to us and deal with it. We have already taken it 4k miles just this summer and anticipate going south for a month or two in early 2010.
I have been looking in this forum for a few months just to see what there is to see and I am totally impressed with what Ron Dittmer has done with his PC. I plan on some of the same upgrades or, if life is good, we will just buy a new one in the future. I do not have any photos of our cruiser but it looks like all the others I have seen. Ours has the couch that turns into a bed and I had thought that it would be a problem but so far we have learned to work around the close quarters when the bed is out. I am a bit puzzled as to how you carry your amenities with the limited outside storage. I had a pile of crap in the fiver of which a lot we didn't use all the time so I eliminated most of it and bought some smaller stuff that would fit underneath. There are still things we would like to bring along. I will continue to read the tips and tricks.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on November 16, 2009, 03:05:19 pm
Hi all,
Well, we took the plunge and put a deposit on a PC2350 Sprinter today. Needless to say, my husband and I are very excited about the prospect of touring in a PC soon!

We are relatively new to RVing; having purchased an Airstream Interstate this last year and spending 62 days this past summer travelling from Florida to Prince Edward Island Canada and back home to Florida. Had a ball! Wanted more room. Hence the Phoenix Cruiser. We lived on a sailboat so we thought our B would be fine. NEED MORE ROOM.

Anyway, any suggestions would be more than welcome. I printed NC Sailors post regarding picking up the rig.

Judi


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Lisal on November 22, 2009, 07:54:30 pm
Hello,
My wife and I are new to the forum family.  We recently purchased a 2007 Phoenix Cruiser 2950. Stuart took care of the sale and I can honestly say it was refreshing to deal with someone in sales who is so down to earth and true to his word.  We had the pleasure of meeting Stuart and his wife during the show in Hershey Pa. To say they went out of their way to help us would be an understatement.  Although our Cruiser was in near new condition, I did have some questions.  We read in the forum about how the go-to person is Kermit and- sure enough he helped us on two different occasions, he definitely knows the coach inside and out. We have already picked up great tips from other members, I am a woodworker and my wife can make anything on her sewing machine. I hope to have some photos to share soon of some extras we are working on.  Have a blessed Thanksgiving.      Lisal


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: DownBy TheRiver on December 12, 2009, 06:26:15 pm
Hello Everyone -

I guess I'm the first RV Wannabe here.  I’ve long considered having an RV, but I feel I’m close to having to make a decision soon, if anything, for my mental health.  I’ve been out of meaningful work for a couple of years now (prospects are still looking grim), but thanks to careful money management and no debt, I remain at the point where if I make the right decisions, I can still have an adventure.  Two family members, when faced with intractable personal situations, did the RV “escape”, mostly full timing in Class C’s for a couple of years, and their trips seemed to have worked their magic.  Perhaps “shaking things up” will work for me as well.  It certainly beats staring at the same 4 walls and meager job prospects day after day.  Perhaps being mobile and “out there” might present me with some new opportunities.

I never seemed to be able to find what I liked, but had recently become enamored with the View/Navion twins, and thus the call of the road.  However, the more I read and researched, I’ve become convinced that a B+ would be the best choice, and that a PC would be just the ticket.  In comparison to the Sprinter-based units, the Ford chassis appears to be the best choice in terms of GVWR & GCVWR, as well as for finding abundant and reasonably priced chassis service wherever I go.

After comparing all the choices and reading all the numerous posts out there on various sites, the PC seems to be the best value for the money.  Except for one seemingly “crazy” customer out there, I’ve found nothing but satisfaction from PC owners, and the exceptional consideration and support provided by Kermit for his owners.  Being in the suburbs of Chicago, the Elkhart factory seems to be of a reasonable distance in terms of getting proper modifications or repairs, if needed.

I hope that you will help me out with the questions I have regarding a particular unit available to me, and any others I might have going forward.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: rockrat on December 28, 2009, 08:30:17 pm
Hello Everybody,

I am another RV Wannebe. My wife and I have just started window shopping and gathering information on different classes of RV. Right now Phoenix Coach 2350 is right on top of our lists. We do have a few stupid questions and would like some of you to help us out.

We read about the Fly and Drive program from PC. ? To fly to Elkhart, which airport is most convenient to get to Elkhart, Chicago or Toleto?Is there any city bus or subway to take us close to the PC factory? I just can't figure out the logistic of it, if I rent a car, how am I going to return the car to the rental agency if I am to drive the RV back to my hometown of NC.

Are there any motel close by the PC factory?

The last question may be a taboo question, but I am just completely ignorant about the pricing of a RV. I am looking to buy a new 2010, sprinter class 2350.  Two weeks ago I saw a new 2008 Coach House RV that was marked down from $110,000 to &69,000. So if I want to buy a new 2350 direct from PC, exactly what percent of the original MSRP price should I make a counter offer on? I do not want to make a counter offer that is absurd and insulting.

I would be very happy if one of you could help me out with these questions.  Thanks you and have a happy New Year.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on December 29, 2009, 02:08:12 pm
I can't help you with the airports, hotels but I can tell you of our experience with PC.

We ordered a 2350 Sprinter in November and it is going to be ready for pickup approx. Jan 18. We are going to take delivery in Atlanta since we are in FL and do not want to brave the possible snowy weather in Elkhart.

We first learned of it on RV.Net; checked their website and thought it was something to take a look at but we wanted to look at one closer to us than Elkhart. There was an unsold model at a dealer in Seffner FL. We drove up, took a look and from there it was a go!

They took our Airstream Interstate in trade so we have to drive that to Atlanta for the swap.

Stuart Bailey at Phoenix has been very helpful in answering all of our questions, both on the phone and online, and Ron Dittmer, who has a 2350 (Ford engine) has been helpful as well.

We also looked at Coach House but their Sprinter was out of our price range. Is the 2008 a Sprinter?



Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: rockrat on December 30, 2009, 12:29:24 pm
Welcome to Phoenix USA RV's Discussion Board. We think you'll find this is a nice place to hang out. Why don't you start off with a little introduction and tell us a bit about yourself?

First of all I would like to thank NC Sailor for going the extra mile to answer all my questions. It definitely make me feel more at ease in making the right decision to decide on getting a PC.

The Coach House I was looking at was very well built and the price was right too after it came down over 30%. Unfortunately, it was not Sprinter class and the floor plan just was not right. Even though it has two slideout, they decide to put the porcelain toilet seat out in the open, without any partition for privacy. My wife put the foot down on that very quickly.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: seaurchin on December 30, 2009, 12:36:35 pm
Hello. I'm taking delivery on my Phoenix Cruiser 2551(no slide) sometime end of January, first of February if all goes well. After my master's degree in English, I hit the road in a Class A, set up my own transcription career and full-timed it. That was 1989 and I've loved my work and my lifestyle ever since. Two Scotties and a poodle are my traveling buddies, and we publish little short stories about our lives on the road, people we meet, and local recipes wherever we are. A laptop and a cell phone and our common sense and wit keep us going. This last year has been rather grim as we lost our best friend of 23 years, a university professor and gentleman of the "greatest generation." That is not a misnomer, as it truly was a great generation of men and women. He was 84 years old, a veteran of the Pacific campaign, a man of letters and honor.
This is a new year, and time to drag out our "bucket list" and once again go adventuring! Wishing you and yours a happy New Year. We are,
Seaurchin
Scottie Lillie
Scottie Mollie Rose
Foodle (for fool poodle)



Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: bert on January 01, 2010, 11:40:08 am
Welcome to Phoenix USA RV's Discussion Board. We think you'll find this is a nice place to hang out. Why don't you start off with a little introduction and tell us a bit about yourself?

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Hello,We are Eldora and  Bert and we are the proud owners of a Phoenix Cruiser 2400.  We met factory rep Stuart at the FMCA rally at Bowling Green, Ohio this summer and  after much discussion there and via phone and Email after we returned to our home in South Carolina we ordered our unit and picked it up at the factory in the fall of 2009.  Every thing was just as we specified.  Had a good time at the factory for a couple of days visiting with Phoenix personel and other owners and potential owners and touring the Elkhart RV museum etc.  We are quite pleased with the unit and what a pleasure it is to be able to pick up the phone and talk to owner Kermit who knows every bolt and screw in the unit.
We have been RVing for many years; tents, boats, popups and this is our 8th motor home.  The first was a used 72 Winnabago we bought in 1974.  We downsized from Class A s when I reached my 80th birthday and we decided to simplify our lives.  This is the third Class C; took that many to get it right.

Our unit has twin sofa beds.  May be the first 2400 Phoenix has made with the twin sofas.  I had noticed on the Phoenix web site that the 2551 has a little computer desk  behind the copilot seat.  Looked like it should fit on my unit so contacted Kermit and he shipped me aknocked  down desk which I assembled and installed.  Fits fine and the cherry wood and composite top matches the kitchen also.


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Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: titsikama on January 25, 2010, 05:50:47 pm
Hello all,
My family and I have been doing many road miles and many hours camping in our Ford F-250 4WD with a Lance camper for nearly10 years and loving every minute of it. But the kids are getting bigger and the truck camper just seems to get smaller and smaller( and older). I have been looking into all of the new sliding truck campers and such, but that would mean a new-bigger truck etc to carry the extra weight. I wanted something that is no bigger (length of total vehicle) then my current set up and have been scouring the interenet for something. That led me to the PC 2350.
The ability to go nearly anywhere, anytime within reason (like our current set-up) is very important to me-so I wanted to get a 2350 on a Ford chassis and have the chassis converted to a 4WD. Most of our camping is done on some BLM road somewhere. I was thinking the diesel, but read in the forum it is pretty loud and not super powerful.
So I have a few questions for those willing to comment. What do you think or the potential 4WD set up with the diesel?
I need sleeping arrangements for 2 adults 2 teens and liked the permanent bed idea-so I was thinking the couch arrangement with the slide. What I wasn't sure about was the ability to see out when riding on the couch and driving, but the couch seems to give them more sleeping room then the dinette when the slide is out. Is there another type of arrangement that I should consider?
How long does it take to do the slide?
Any other comments, suggestions, are much appreciated!
Thanks!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: bigbadjc on February 22, 2010, 09:42:38 am
I am 67 years old and my wife is 65 and we live in Hot Springs Village, Arkansas, supposedly the largest gated community in the US (about 26,000 acres).  We have been retired for almost 11 years.  Our previous RVs have run the gamut from a VW camper van to a pop up camper to a small class A to a Leisure Travel van to a Damon Hornet class C and most recently a BT Cruiser, which will shortly be on the auction block.  I just picked up a 2006 Phoenix Cruiser 2551 from PPL Consignment RVs in Houston, where we keep an apartment to visit kids and grandkids, with an unbelievable 3,500 miles on it and 9 hours on the generator.  The previous owner lost interest in RVing, and it was just what I was looking for.  I expect to have many questions on it for the forum members, as it has items I'm not really used to, like a macerator for example.  I drove it home to Arkansas this past weekend and am already in love with it.  We'll be heading to the Canadian Rockies again this fall with it and our trusty 2007 Chevy HHR toad. FYI, if you love RVs and are looking for a place to retire to, one of the amenities we enjoy here is a large fully enclosed indoor storage facility and on the same grounds a full service RV mechanic shop, a propane dealer, a dump station, and a pressure washer.  It doesn't get an better than that.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on February 22, 2010, 03:54:24 pm
Welcome to the forum.
We just took delivery of our 2350 Sprinter last month and are lovin' it already. We just have to get used to all the room and where to store stuff (we had a Class B prior to the 2350).

The gated community sounds great. We live in a deed restricted community and have to pay monthly to store the RV.

We are heading to the Canadian Maritimes again this summer.

Enjoy your PC.

Judi


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: jlooney on March 07, 2010, 03:51:33 pm
Hi, We're new to rv'ing and are considering purchasing a PC.  We would like some feedback on the pros and cons between the regular gas fueled/Ford chassis and diesel engines/Sprinter chassis.  Also, any experience in whether it's better to choose slide-outs or not with the 2350.  Thanks for your feedback.

Jennifer L.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: NC Sailors on March 07, 2010, 07:11:58 pm
We have a 2010 2350 Sprinter-based PC with a slide. The slide is well worth it for the extra room and it provides a second adult sleeping area with the airbed/sofa. We chose the Sprinter chassis because it has many handling/safety features, gets great fuel economy, and is quieter on the road. It's our Mercedes for the price of a Dodge. We just just added another Mercedes as a towed vehicle (a smart car, see http://www.smartusa.com/). As in other areas, you get what you pay for.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on March 08, 2010, 06:40:41 am
We have the 2350 Sprinter as well. We agree with NC Sailors regarding the reasons that we chose the diesel over the gas. Our previous RV was a 2005 Airstream Interstate (Class B) with the Mercedes diesel. Good mileage and dependable.

For us, the dinette option was the best option. We did not need the extra sleeping space. There is more storage. We did not want to set up the table everytime we wanted to use it. Also there is less weight without the slide. To each his own!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on March 08, 2010, 05:42:38 pm
Jennifer,

My wife and I special ordered our 2007 PC-2350 (built on a 2007 Ford E350 chassis) without a slide, so we have owned it a few years and 10,000 miles now.  We always travel as a couple (always towing a car), so the fixed-dinette (no slide) is ideal for just the two of us.  The RV is very comfortable for us, though I suppose it depends what you are used to.  Being in our early 50s, the only issue is a minor one, managing getting in and out of the rear corner bed.  It surely is not ideal as compared to being at home, but we manage well with the limited access to the bed.  It is so much better than our old RV so like I said, it depends what you are used to.

I don't recommend investing in a slideout if you travel alone or as a couple, as our experience has proven there is no need for one, and the dinette with huge over-head cabinets and bench storage is quite nice to have.  But if you plan to accomodate guests on occasion, then the new BIG slideout is the way to go.  That slideout includes the fridge so you get a lot more floorspace, especially appreciated when that 2nd double bed is set up.  I always thought the small slideout was simply too small to make enough difference, but when including the fridge, it really opens up huge inside.

I am partial to the Ford E350 chassis and tend to make effort in convincing shoppers to go that route.  But the Sprinter is popular as you are reading here.  There are advantages and disadvantages of each choice which you will have to decide for yourself, what is more important to you.

There are very few pictures on the web showing a NO Slideout Dinette, and they don't capture what it really looks like.  My website here has some good pics of that.  Our Ford chassis was the last year with the old front styling, but the interior of our 2350 is relatively unchanged compared to a brand new 2010.

My Phoenix Cruiser Pictures, CLICK HERE--->  http://www.flickr.com/photos/37432012@N08/sets/72157617468317295/show/

Ron Dittmer


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: stressproof on April 15, 2010, 10:07:14 am
Hi everyone.  This is my first time on the message board.   Looks like a great forum.
  My wife and I just purchased a 2009 Phoenix Cruiser 2950 and have had it on a couple of test trips.  No problems, everything works well and we're getting used to the features.
  Question:  We'd like to keep it looking new and want to purchase a cover for it while in storage.  Since it's not really a C with the standard bunk overhang above the cab, are there any recommendations on buying the cover?  Manufacturers?  Web contacts?  etc.

Thanks.
Paul


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: PJ Corey on April 16, 2010, 06:19:37 pm
Hello,  In March, my partner and I purchased a 2010 2551 with slide.  Our previous rv was a Winnebago View on a Sprinter chassis.  We gave the View up reluctantly but because we wanted a little more space and had a real need for better sleeping arrangements we needed to move on and went with the PC 2551. We did our research and felt our best choice would be the 2551 w/slide.  We haven't regretted that choice but there has been a good deal to get used to in the transition and we have been modifying the rig like overeager interior decorators.  The kitchen w/pantry in the View is superior to the kitchen in the 2551. In order to account for the difference in better storage and counter space in the View that we lost with the PC we turned one of the short closets over one of the twin beds into a pantry. That works well.  We did not like the mirror in the kitchen and removed it and replaced it with tile half way up that wall which then gave us space for hanging things above the tile.   That mirror may be intended to make the galley look bigger but it takes away valuable hanging space.   We took the valance off the kitchen window and turned it upside down and mounted it on the wall inside the slide.  Works perfectly for books and magazines.  We took the valance off the bathroom window and mounted it upside down over the outside door where the exit sign is to hold binocs and headlamps.  Works perfectly.  We really disliked the small stationary "dining" table and it is now stored in the garage.  We are looking for the perfect table to put in front of the sofa.  There are a couple of possibilities at IKEA.  We junked the stiff short curtain meant to enclose the cab.  Totally worthless to our minds.  We now have customized sun shades that look better and allow us to sit in the swivel chair in privacy.  The short curtain when opened did not allow for that.  The cab space now looks bigger without those things.  We found a perfect wine rack to fit next to the small table and outside door behind the passenger seat.  Next comes a new kitchen faucet to replace the leaky one that came with the rig.  A bar faucet by Aquasource at Lowes is a perfect match.   I'm sure everyone here does modifications to their rigs to make them their "own" and we are no different.  We are almost there in the light remodel.  In our first trip out we ran into some minor annoyances which we can fix and two potentially major problems which I won't go into here since it is only fair I consult with Kermit about them first.  I'm confident they can be resolved.  We are planning numerous trips between now and late October.  Hope to see you all on the road. 

Paula
Santa Fe


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on April 17, 2010, 09:28:46 am
Hi Paula,

You described making changes that nobody else did.  I encourage you to take some pictures, start a new post in the Tips and Tricks section, and post them along with your descriptive strategy.  I would love to see what you did.

Welcome Aboard!

Ron


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: PJ Corey on April 17, 2010, 10:58:43 am
Hi Ron,

I'll be happy to post the pics of my modifications.  I have to finish up the tile around the galley and then will upload the picturess.  I did look at your modification pics and was intrigued by the slide out shelf you put up in the bedroom.  There is no place to put glasses, water, etc. at night and that shelf would do the trick.  So, I'm appropriating it!

Paula
Santa Fe


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: mwleung on May 13, 2010, 02:05:27 pm
Wow just signed a contract for a 2010 2551....excited to start on our new journey! 

My partner and I already own and stationary camp in our 1967 Airstream Caravelle(Bambi)...but thought we would step up a bit for on the road.  I retire next month and we will be able to plan our getaways based on weather and considerations other than work!

Loved hearing about Karma's rennovations...especially the galley mirror!!??!! who would have needed that there?  And making a book shelf from the valance - I was wondering where to keep my books- great idea!


Happy RVing!
Mary K


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: PJ Corey on May 13, 2010, 06:11:45 pm
Mary,

If you are going to remove the mirror in the galley I would suggest what worked for us:  cover the mirror entirely in duct tape; use a rubber hammer to strategically slam it in the middle and four corners; use a small crowbar to start working the corners; wear leather gloves and eye wear; be careful that you do not put too much pressure on the "wall" the mirror is attached to because that is where damage will happen since it is merely a very thin layer of whatever it is.   You will run into black silicone mastik that can be rolled off with your fingers but is a bear to deal with.  Thankfully, the mastik was used sparingly.  We are so happy that mirror is gone and so is everyone we know with rigs who saw and could not understand its function.

The valances turned upside down make great shelves to hold books, etc. 

I wanted to upload pics of all our modifications but am running into the space size allowed here and could not upload them.  If someone would tell me how to resize jpg files to fit this format I will do it.

Paula
Santa Fe


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on May 13, 2010, 07:35:33 pm
Wow just signed a contract for a 2010 2551....excited to start on our new journey!  Loved hearing about Karma's rennovations...especially the galley mirror!!??!! who would have needed that there?  And making a book shelf from the valance - I was wondering where to keep my books- great idea!

-------------------------------------------

Since you are placing an order on a PC, request they delete the mirror and place a couple extra valences in the RV on the side for you.  They might even do it for free given you are sacrificing the mirror.  The factory is very flexible.

We requested a few deviations too.

I asked for the ladder and roof rack be placed inside the RV.  I didn't like it so I asked for it in pieces in case I changed my mind later.  3 years later and I still love ours without it.

Given I have no slide, I requested the subwoofer be placed in the front dinette bench.  I like that deviation too.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: mciai2000 on May 13, 2010, 10:04:35 pm

Hello All.  Our unit arrived here in N E PA. on Tues of this week.  Our 2010 2350(Ford)with slide and air bed sits in the garage waiting for its first trip.  We are a family of four ( 2 boys age 11 and 8) and are waiting for school to end so that our adventures can continue.  We were going to wait  a little longer to purchase this unit but I sold our 2003 Winnebago Vista in 2 days!!.  Gotta love the internet. We ordered the unit with an in motion sat as we are die hard Penn State Fans and need to see the games as we travel.  Love the unit so far.  Kermit's son delivered the unit and about a 1/4 mile from our house he made  sharp turn and scratched the bumper with his toad! His toad was damaged more than the unit and he had a full size Jeep. Ah, such is life. He was upset to say the least.  Life is way too short to worry about things like that. Kermit said to have it fixed and send him the bill.  Kermit's son could not believe I was not upset. Told him I own an insurance agency and deal with this stuff on a daily basis.  Now I have to transfer the license and pay the 6% PA sales tax. Yikes!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on May 14, 2010, 08:28:14 am
I agree with both of you about the mirror in the galley. I guess it serves the purpose of taking care of cleaning any splatters from the stove but I think that something else would serve the same purpose and not look so dumb.

I would love to remove ours but don't think that is going to happen.

We have made some modifications to our 2350 Sprinter. Have tried to post pictures on the Forum to no avail.

We love our PC but sometimes I think that they could use an interior decorator.

Judi
Punta Gorda FL


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: PJ Corey on May 14, 2010, 08:40:32 am
Once we got the mirror out of there we put up a tile surround using flexible grout.  Looks very classy.  I agree.  Style is not the hallmark of rv makers but we always have to get past the nasty upholstery and valances and curtains, all made out of petroleum products that make me sneeze and give me a rash,  and look at floor plans, the reputation of the manufacturer, etc., then rip everything out and start over.  Right now the problem we are having with the coach is excessive play in the steering wheel which makes driving a chore.  Folks on another forum suggest I go to a reputable truck place and have the alignment checked and consider a steering stabilizer.  That is on tap for next week. 


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: NC Sailors on May 14, 2010, 10:16:11 am
Paula,

If you have Photoshop (CS or Elements), you can reduce the image size by cropping it to say 4" X 6", then reduce the dots per inch to print (240) or screen (72) resolution, then when saving reduce the quality from 10 or 12 to maybe 1-5. These steps allow to reduce a 10MB .jpg file down to ~100KB.

NC Sailor


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on May 14, 2010, 12:05:36 pm
Funny I don't have a mirror behind the stove-top in our 2007 2350, wondering if your mirror would be nice.

Cound someone post some pictures of your mirror?  Maybe I'll get one.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on May 14, 2010, 12:07:41 pm
Right now the problem we are having with the coach is excessive play in the steering wheel which makes driving a chore.  Folks on another forum suggest I go to a reputable truck place and have the alignment checked and consider a steering stabilizer.  That is on tap for next week.  
I replied to you on the other forum, copying it here too.

Hi Paula, It's me Ron Dittmer from the Cruisers forum.

Your Phoenix Cruiser 2551 at 26'-5" long, 93" wide, and 10'-1" to the top of a/c unit, built on an E450 chassis is a lighter weighted house on the heaviest duty chassis and drive train available anywhere. Most motor homes using the E450 chassis are taller, wider, longer, and heavier. My point being, you have a lot of margin considering weight and engine power.

As other Ford 1998-2010 E350 and E450 owners say about their own Ford V10 engine, it's strong, but it's also very noisey when going up inclines. You may think it's working hard, but by Ford's design, it spins very fast to get up hills. Do not be concerned about it. You'll simply have to get used to hearing the engine reving as a normal thing. The same when going down hill. When I do engine braking down-hill, the engine revs way up too, sometimes near red-line on the tachometer. For a little "extra" peace of mind, I now use full synthetic motor oil.

About your PC-2551 handling issues. You sound like me when we bought our PC-2350. As others above here stated, and yourself confirmed, take it to a truck suspension shop, not an automotive suspension shop. If you have limited funding for suspension upgrades, then you will want to do improvements one step at a time. I advise to consider evaluating/upgrading in this order.

1a) Tire pressure is very influential in handling and quality of ride. Tire pressure is determined by the weight on it. Ask Phoenix USA what the weight is on front and rear tires, then follow the chart in Michelan's website on pressure per weight.

1b) Front wheel alignment. Our 2007 PC-2350 alignment was off by so much that the truck shop had to use offset bushings to get the camber set properly. Phoenix USA may cover the cost of a wheel alignment. I heard them covering for another PC owner. Our front wheel alignment cost us $170 three years ago. BTW: The shop told me most motor homes require offset bushings for a proper alignment, so the Phoenix Cruiser is no exception.

When you take the RV in for a wheel alignment, fill the fresh tank with water, empty the waste tanks, and fill up the RV with a full tank of gas and propane. Also keep your gear, dishes, etc. inside. The mission is to get an alignment done with the RV weighted as it would be during a voyage. If you want to go an extra step, place weights just behind the driver and passenger seats to represent two adults in the front cab. I did that.

2) Replace your Ford steering stabilizer with a heavy duty one. We have a Safe-T-Plus and it does a great job. But there are other good brands out there too. Ours eliminates driver over-reaction and "steering wheel floaties".

3) Replace your shock absorbers with Bilsteins or Koni-RV shocks. The shocks on your E450 chassis could be the same used in the E350, and the E250 passenger and cargo van. That was the case in 2007. If true today, those shocks are not ideal for any motor home where the chassis is loaded to near capacity, 100% of the time because a house is always on it.

4) Replace your Ford rear stabilizer bar with a heavy duty one from Helwig, Roadmaster, or other brand. A heavy duty stabilizer bar significantly reduces side-to-side rocking motion like a boat on water.

5) Replace your Ford front stabilizer bar for the same reasons.

6) If you tow anything at all, you might find the rear end of your PC-2551 moving side to side horizontally, commonly referred to as "tail-wagging". If so, then consider a rear trac bar. That will eliminate that unwanted motion.

We had all this done at once, costing us $3900. It was a lot of money to spend, but given the experience addressing handling issues with our old RV of 24 years, I wasn't going to fool around this time to try and save some money. We decided to do it all at once, be done with it, and enjoy this "perfect handling" RV from DAY ONE. Our PC-2350 handles like a dream. And it tows a vehicle 100% of the time too.


Title: E450
Post by: PJ Corey on May 14, 2010, 02:28:53 pm
Ron, thanks for that thoughtful response.  It helped ease my mind about the noise that engine makes going up inclines.  The other add ons you suggested are already on my list of things to do down the road, as it were.  I have an appt. with a truck place down in Albuquerque to look at the play in the steering wheel.  From everything I have read on other forums it looks like this might be an alignment issue that is easily corrected.  We have had some fierce winds here in NM lately and driving the Cruiser feels like driving in jello. 

Hey, I think you should put a mirror up in the galley.  When I told Stuart it was a design flaw he told me that I was the only person who thought so and that everyone who had it loved it. So, you should definitely get the mirror as per Stuart.  ;)

Paula
Santa Fe



Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Bob Mahon on May 17, 2010, 04:42:48 pm
Hi all,

As you can tell, I'm new to this forum.
We decided to trade down from an Alpine Coach to a 2007 2350 with electric sofa/bed in slide.

We are quite excited and have already received help from PC.

Nice show.

Bob


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TomHanlon on May 22, 2010, 06:16:34 pm
Hello everyone,

    We are Tom and Jo Anne and we just got home yesterday with our new 2350. We live in central Maryland. We have two dogs, a 10 year old yellow lab named Bonnie and a 3 year old 124 lb German shepherd named Charlie. And you think your 2350 can get tight! This is sixth motorhome, a 26ft, 34ft, 28ft, 21ft, 35ft and now 23ft.

    I am retired from 34 years in main frame computers and 4 years selling RVs. My wife is still working as an adminstrater for a local college continuing education dept. Since I have extra time on my hands, I drove up to the factory before constuction began and again shortly after it began. I think I drove Stuart crazy asking so many questions and requesting so many little changes. Everyone seamed happy to make whatever changes I could come up with. What a great group of guys and gals working there. We finally picked up our PC on Tuesday right after lunch. What a long morning that was feeling like a little kid on Christmas morning and having to wait to get my present. We spent the night just a few miles away Shipshewana south. I tested everything I could and I could not find anything wrong. This is very unusal for any manufactures motorhome. Jo Anne was able to find that the inside cover over the mirror on the passengers door rattled. It turned out to be a broken clip, which Bobby replaced the whole cover the next day.

    We want to thank everone at the factory for all that they did for us to make this such a great experience.   We look forward to meeting some of you fellow PC owners.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on May 22, 2010, 07:26:16 pm
We know exactly how you feel. We took delivery of our 2350 Sprinter in January and we are now getting ready for a 3 month trip from Florida to the Canadian Maritimes (with stops along the way in Ma. and Me. to sponge off relatives for a couple of days).
Welcome to the forum!!!

Judi and George


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: mtownsen on May 22, 2010, 10:37:01 pm
Just stepped up and bought a 2007 29' today, taking delivery next Friday in time for memorial weekend. Very excited, rather than downsizing we are coming up from a 22' travel trailer. Looking forward to a cross USA road trip in July.

Mark and Joy.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on May 23, 2010, 05:12:32 pm
Just stepped up and bought a 2007 29' today.......Mark and Joy.
Nice!  If a short length and slide-free was not important to me, that would be my first choice.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: kevin on May 23, 2010, 09:20:01 pm
hi, my wife (Linda) & i just bought a phoenix 3100.  Or, we gave Stuart a check or two, met Kermit's son when he picked up our '97 coach house & will, in some future time & galaxy, actually have a finished Phoenix heartshower(how do I get a jumping dude instead of an underlined heartshower?)  Anyway, we live in Western Michigan and instead of downsizing, we are upsizing. 

time for popcorn & a movie with my sweetie
bye
kevin


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: bobander on June 04, 2010, 05:59:27 pm
Hi all,

We took delivery of our 2010 2551 w/slide in April.  We had two truck/campers for the last 25 years and it was time to quit climbing up and over each other getting in and out of bed, which we are doing more often at night as we age.  After lots of research we decided that we wanted to see a Phoenix Cruiser in person.  We live in Northern California near Lake Tahoe and there weren't any PCs nearby.  So in February we headed to Arizona and stopped by the PC dealer in Tempe -- Go Green RV.  We ordered our 2551 and went back to Tempe to pick it up in April.  Go Green RV is a small outfit and the owner, Kevin, is great to deal with, no pressure and lots of patience.

After we picked it up we toured around Arizona for 3 weeks to make sure everything was working before heading home.  We really enjoyed the RV, much more room than the truck/camper and plenty of power to tow our Jeep Wrangler.  We are doing some mods on the unit and I plan to share them in another post.

Looking forward to meeting other PC owners on the road,
Bob and Chris



Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on June 04, 2010, 07:01:22 pm
Welcome to the Forum.

We took delivery of our 2350 Sprinter (no slide) in January. We are now getting ready for our 3 month trip to the Canadian Maritimes. We leave in 2 weeks and are really excited to get on the road--got to get away from the hurricanes in Florida.

We tentatively plan to head to Arizona in the Fall.

Hope you enjoy your coach. So far, we are delighted with ouor PC.

Judi and George


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: bobander on June 04, 2010, 07:41:42 pm
3 Months to Canada, that sounds great, our longest trip has been 4 weeks, maybe we can go longer now that we have a more comfortable rig.

We normally go to Moab in the Fall to do some Jeepin, just north of Arizona so who knows - maybe we will run into you along the way.

Just thinking, wouldn't it be fun to post a message on PC Forum while on the road and see if any other PC owners were in the area.  I might try that next trip, look for my post in the "Phoenix on the Road" category.

Have a great trip,
Bob and Chris


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on June 05, 2010, 06:51:55 am
I plan to post as we get a little closer to departure time and see what happens. It would be fun to meet other PC owners along the way.

There is a rally each year. We hope to make it next year.

This year we are going to Savannah, GA, Blue Ridge Parkway, Shenandoah National Park on our way to Nova Scotia and PEI. It should be an interesting trip.

Judi and George


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: GrandmaQ on June 15, 2010, 12:58:33 pm
We full-timed in a 36' diesel pusher for 1 1/2 years but neither of us was ever really comfortable driving it plus it was expensive to maintain and store so we sold it after we resumed settled life.  A year ago we started thinking about buying something smaller to travel in and, after much searching and comparing, decided a gently used 2551 would be right for us.  After about 3 months of searching we found one ... in Florida ... we live in California!!  But in February we flew to Florida, bought it and drove it home.  Saturday we got back from a 5 1/2 week trip to the mid-west and Canada so that makes ovr 6 weeks in it since February and we LOVE it!!  Look forward to sharing experiencs and tips with other users here on the forum. 

(balloons)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Bob Mahon on June 15, 2010, 01:53:16 pm
Grandma Q,

I believe we met you at the Boomtown KOA (we have the 2350 you came over to).
Happy to hear you made it home OK (we're now in Oregon).

Are you planning to resume the "Ally-Loops"?

Bob & Peg


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: GrandmaQ on June 16, 2010, 10:06:02 pm
We looked for you in Petaluma but guess we misunderstood when you were going to be there.  We had a smooth trip home.  Hope you're enjoying Oregon and that our paths cross again.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Bob Mahon on June 17, 2010, 12:58:28 am
G'maQ,

Peg found you in Petaluma but you were out both times.
We are now in Kent, WA and our trip, so far, has been good (except for the Donner Pass road surface).

Happy to hear you made it home in good shape and hope we meet again sometime.

Safe travels and God bless.

B & P


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: GrandmaQ on June 17, 2010, 01:27:33 am
Bummer! Wish we had been home.  We even had a nice bottle of wine in the fridge.  Happy travels,



Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Bob Mahon on June 19, 2010, 10:39:13 am
That would have been fun.

Regards to you and E.

Maybe next time (but, if you make plans to get to the NE PA area,  let me know and we can hook up).

B&P


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Gspitfire on October 11, 2010, 10:03:35 pm
Hello  hithere  we are from Ocala, Fl and recently traded up for a 2008 Phoenix Cruiser 2551. We will be gong south with it the end of Oct, to meet out Son for there Anniversary on Halloween. Right now were getting it all ready and figuring out where to put things. Out new coach is just beautiful, love the twin beds, having the beds all made up will be a treat.
Looking forward in meeting some fellow Phoenix Cruisers owners, if anyone has a get together locally we could love to meet also.
Norma, Tony & Rusty  (white toy poodle)  ;)   (%)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: aimee on October 19, 2010, 11:05:37 am
 (w)  We're always glad to meet new members. Jump right in!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: pyrthkr on October 27, 2010, 05:44:28 pm
Hello - Pyrthkr here.  Heading out to PA to pick up our very 1st Cruiser, a 2008 2551 and are excited about n-joying it all the way back to AZ.  Will spend the 1st ight in an RV park near the pick-up spot to go over all the buttons & switches.  Love all the posts; helped make our selectioin a more comfortable one. tymote


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: BillRo on October 27, 2010, 05:59:15 pm
Bill and Carol Rogers, Newbury Park, CA. We have had a 2350 PC since '04 and are big fans. Wherever we go it generates a lot of interest. We have done extensive mods with cabinets, shelves etc. which makes it even more usable for us. Newby on this forum but it should be interesting and helpful.

BillRo


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on October 27, 2010, 06:50:13 pm
Welcome to the forum!

We picked up our 2350 Sprinter in Jan. 2010 and have put 8000 miles on her/him so far. We love it, We have learned so much from this forum. Phoenix Cruiser is a great company! Hope you enjoy your PC as much as we do ours.

Judi


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: aimee on October 27, 2010, 07:31:18 pm
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Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on October 29, 2010, 03:03:52 pm
BillRo,

We'd love to see what you've done inside......mods that is.  :lol
Be sure to post pics of them in the tips & tricks section.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: billy on December 08, 2010, 05:56:22 pm
We are Bill & Sharon Schmall, married for 41 years, two sons and 5 grandkids. We live in the Escapees Park Sierra, Coarsegold, Ca.  We purchased a 36 foot gas powered Class A last September for traveling. Now, I told my wife I would like something a little smaller. She asked me if I still like our Hurricane, yes. It’s a beautiful rig and I am NOT afraid to drive it but she is. So I do ALL the driving. Sharon’s been in two accidents, neither were her fault but she is very skittish when driving, in the passenger side she always applies the brakes for me. The cruisers are not cheap and after just 15 months it’s kinda hard to justify. How does everyone like theirs? What quality are they? Last year at Quartzsite, our first year with the Class A we had 3 water leaks in the roof. Just looking for some thoughts. BnS


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: pyrthkr on December 08, 2010, 07:24:11 pm
Hello Bill and Sharon.  My wife and I bought a used 2008 2551 from a private owner in PA and the factory has been nothing but spectacular in assisting us with parts, advise, etc.  Also, this forum has greatly enhanced our understanding of the unit as well as given us ideas for improvements/upgrades/fixes.  I have no doubt that, between these 2 resources, anything I face on the road can be dealt with!  Name another manufacturer and/or owners group that you can say that about!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on December 09, 2010, 06:16:08 am
Welcome to the Forum!

We just signed a contract for our 2nd PC. We bought a 2350 on the Sprinter chassis last year and spent 3 monthes travelling with it. Loved it and got, on average, 17 MPG. We are now trading it in, with the factory for a 2551. We will sacrifice milage for comfort (twin beds).

The customer service from the factory is super. The folks that work there are so helpful. We had some minor problems with the 2350 and they were addressed immediately.

Guess you can tell, we are happy PC owners.

Judi and George


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: jdw on February 15, 2011, 11:30:06 pm
Hi folks, we're Jeff & Erika.  We spent 6+ months looking for just the right RV and settled on a Phoenix Cruiser 2350 (Ford).  We met Stuart and Becky at the Tampa RV show and they hooked us up and we took delivery a week later at the Ft. Myers RV show.  We've packed up our belongings into storage and we're now a few weeks into a 6 month "break in" period.  (We get along real well. :-) )

The big plan: go wherever it's 75 degrees. :)  (We're spending a lot of time in Florida at the moment.)

We love our 2350 so far (corner bed and all).  It's just the right size for us, and after some initial plumbing woes, we've been overall happy with the quality.  (Stuart and Kermit tracked down the line foreman to help me figure out how to get the bed boards off on a Saturday morning so I could fix a couple of leaks. How awesome is that?)  We call our 2350 "Marv" and if you're near where we're headed, we'll be heading your way soon!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on February 16, 2011, 05:25:14 am
Welcome to the Forum. I know you will love your Phoenix Cruiser.

We just traded in our 2350 and took delivery of our 2551 on Monday. Two new PC's in two years! Guess that goes to show how satisfied we are.

We are in Punta Gorda, FL. If you are nearby, shoot us a Private Message, we'd love to meet you and talk Phoenix.

Judi and George


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on February 16, 2011, 07:09:00 am
Hi Jeff and Erika,

Congratulations with Marv!  I am glad you found the forum, and hope you find it a good place to hang out.

My wife Irene and I bought our 2007 2350/Ford E350-V10 in June of 2007, so we've had ours, coming up on 4 years.  We live near Chicago, special ordered ours through a dealer in the Boston area East Acres RV, and picked up our 2350 at the factory in Elkardt, Indiana.  Talk about "Logistics", but it worked out extremely well.  At the time, Cruisers could not be purchased factory direct.  That came when the economy when down the tubes in 2008, RV dealerships across America were over stocked and couldn't sell anything, PC or otherwise, leaving PC-USA stalled dead.  So Kermit and staff decided to go "Factory Direct" as a means of survival, and continue with that tradition to this very day.

I maintained communication with PC-USA via email after my purchase, offering suggestions for things I improved upon, some of which they implemented in following model years, and some offered upon request.  When the economy tanked in 2008, I gave Kermit a call to find out how they were surviving and got the scoop on their hardship.  Being the internet junkie that I am, and my pleasure with my purchase, I decided to go into full throttle to promote the Phoenix Cruiser on RV forums.  I'd like to think I contributed in a small way to help PC-USA get through those hard times.

The design of the 2350 has changed a little since the 2007 model year, but the basic floor plan and size seems identical.  Things got mechanically rearrainged when the slideout grew to accomodate the fridge.  We decided against a slideout which is not a popular decision, but it works much better for us and our vacationing style.

If you are like me and many others, you may find a few things you'll consider improving upon.  CLICK HERE (http://phoenixusarv.com/community/index.php?topic=8.0) to see a number of things we did to address a few issues along with making life in our PC a more comfortable experience.

Again, welcome to the forum and the family of the Phoenix Cruiser!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: jdw on February 16, 2011, 09:27:53 am
Thanks for the welcome. :)

Ron, your omnipresent PC boosterism definitely contributed to our decision to give PC a serious look, and we're glad we did.  So thanks for that as well. :)



Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: mciai2000 on February 16, 2011, 09:55:33 pm
JDW:

Welcome and congrats.  We too have 2350 ford and love it. We had some small quality issues with glue and staples, but nothing that we could not handle.  I believe you came up with a new call sign for Ron.  He really should change his name to "Omnipresent PC Boosterism." LOl.   roflol

David


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on February 16, 2011, 11:38:31 pm
Is my signature better now?   :lol


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: mciai2000 on February 21, 2011, 10:17:50 am
Ron:

Love it!!  :)(:

David


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: jdw on February 26, 2011, 08:46:46 am
 roflol


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: GordonH on February 28, 2011, 07:25:40 pm
My wife and I have been considering an RV now that we're (mostly) retired.  We'd like to travel the U.S., and be able to take our dog with us.  He's a "special needs" pup who would be happier with us rather than friends or family while we travel. 

We were avid campers when we were in our 20s and 30s, hauling our gear in the back of a big red Dodge pickup.  As we've gotten older, we like the idea of a self contained unit with indoor plumbing, etc.  Our only experience is with our friend's A-Class motor coach.  It's a beauty, but after traveling across the U.S. with my friend, I changed my mind about having something that size.  It also seemed our friends were always fixing something they had broken, for thousands of dollars.  It was an expensive land yacht I really didn't want to invest my time in.

Once we retired and moved to our new home, one of our new neighbors had a Phoenix Cruiser that we admired.  After looking it over, talking with them, and thinking about how to tackle a 6-week trip we are planning in the near future, buying or renting a Phoenix Cruiser or something similar seemed like a good idea.  So we began to look into our options.  Running the numbers on a rental, it looked like we would be paying out over $6,000 in rental and mileage fees before we even stocked up the RV, bought gas for the trip, and other incidental expenses. 

This forum looks like just the place to ask all of you experts some of our questions, concerns, etc....

Thanks for your help in advance!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on March 01, 2011, 05:58:11 am
Welcome to the Forum!

We retired and bought our first motorhome. Having lived on a sailboat for a while, we thought we could adjust to small spaces and bought a Class B with the Mercedes diesel=got 22 MPG. Too small for 3 monthes of travel.

Found Phoenix Cruisers online and that was as they say "the end of the story"! Bought a 2010 PC 2350 on the Sprinter chassis. Last summer 17MPG with the 2350. Three monthes and about 8000 mi. later decided that the 2350 had some issues that could not resolved, for us! Mainly, the corner bed that the person against the wall had to climb over to get to the head in the middle of the night.

We bit the bullet and traded in the 2350 and now have a 2011 2551. Twin beds are great! The downside is the mpg. we will get with the Ford.

Hindsight is 20/20. Should have bought the 2551 to begin with.

If you buy a Phoenix Cruiser, you will love it! And the customer service from the factory is superb.

Judi and George


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on March 01, 2011, 11:35:22 am
Hi GordonH, Welcome to the PC forum,

Gradygal makes a very good point regarding your selection of floorplan.  As is easily understood, there are trade-offs with each model/floorplan.  I see you input a 2100 model in your profile, assuming that means you are leaning toward that one for starters.

We special ordered a new 2350 in 2007 seen by CLICKING HERE (http://www.flickr.com/photos/37432012@N08/sets/72157617468317295/show/).  My wife and I both agree, the double bed is not ideal for getting in and out from.  A walk-around double or queen bed would be ideal but then it wouldn't fit in our garage.  For us, sleeping in separate beds is not an option, but others have different priorities, which is why the easy access twin bed floor plans are most popular.

If the length of the motor home didn't trouble me, I'd have the factory make something special for us......a no-slide rear walk-around queen bed.  I don't think that special request would cost much extra.  The factory is very good at accomodating special requests, especially if it does not greatly affect plumbing and other primary essentials.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: rannan5050 on April 11, 2011, 11:15:52 am
Welcome to Phoenix USA RV's Discussion Board. We think you'll find this is a nice place to hang out. Why don't you start off with a little introduction and tell us a bit about yourself?
We've been rv-ing since the 1980's and love it. After having had 7 new motor homes, one of the more recent ones being a 33 ft Airstream Land Yacht, we decided to down-size. First to a 22 ft Sprinter Leisure Van which was too drastic of a change.  Last fall we purchased a used 2009 Phoenix Cruiser 2400. We make numerous trips from MN to Florida and to the East Coast to visit family.  This unit seems to be more suitable for our needs and those of our golden retriever.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: billy on April 11, 2011, 11:48:35 am
 (w)

I'm sure you will love this forum and all the folks here. There is a ton of info so don't be afraid to ask.

Are you enjoying your Cruiser. We just went from 36' Hurricane by to Thor to a 3100 and love it.

Welcome aboard,   billy


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on April 11, 2011, 12:33:37 pm
Welcome to the Forum!

We totally understand. We had an Airstream Interstate on the Sprinter chassis. After one year, found it too small. sooooooooooooooooooo+++

We bought a 2010 Phoenix Cruiser 2350 on the Sprinter. Loved the handling, the mileage, the room in the cab but realized we didn't like the double bed in the corner. It was very difficult to get out in the middle of the night. S00000000000000000***

We ordered a 2011 Phoenix 2551 and had Phoenix build it to suit us. We call it the "the 2551 For Two". The only thing we don't like about it is the gas mileage. We posted pictures on the Forum.
 Judi and George


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: HDDrvr on April 11, 2011, 01:29:09 pm
Hello to all,

I'm new to the forum, although I've been reading it for several months. I recently retired and have been looking for the perfect RV (if there is such as thing) to purchase. We started out looking at TT's, then Class B's, C's and finally Class A's. We found the Class A we wanted (Winnebago/Itasca 32H), and still like it over all the other RV's we've seen. Then I came across an article on the PC 2551 and immediately liked what I saw and read. I would be able to park it at home rather than pay storage as would be required if I got a Class A. From the research I've done on-line, I know there are no dealers in the Northern Ca. area, or the Western U.S for that matter. For awhile there was a dealer in Az. but now it appears he no longer handles the PC. This gives me concern as I would very much like to see one in-person before committing to the purchase. I am willing to travel several hundred miles to see one. Is there anyone in the Sacramento, Ca. area that knows of a 2551 that can be viewed? Also some other concerns are: getting warrenty work done, if needed, and routine service work done as needed. Since the factory is in Indiana how do you, as owners, deal with warrenty work? Any info you can provide is greatly appreciated. I've already learned enough from this forum to know that the PC, and specifically the 2551, is just want we're looking for.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on April 11, 2011, 05:25:42 pm
We are in Florida and were, initially, in the same predicament as you. I saw the PC on the Internet but we needed to see one in person, so we found one in Tampa to look at. We loved it and ordered one from the factory and had it delivered to Atlanta, where we picked it up. We did all of this by phone, email etc. Needless to say, it all went off smoothly. This was our 2010 PC 2350.

We had a couple of issues, got a quote here in FL., had the work done and got a check within a couple of weeks. Painless. Not every RV is perfect when you take delivery unless you are at the factory to take delivery--and we didn't want to drive to Indiana in January to take delivery.

So, in December we ordered, again fron Stuart, our 2011 PC 2551. Again, an effortless transaction. If you look at our photos on the Forum, we did a couple of "custom" things. We love our PC.
Judi and George


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: mciai2000 on April 11, 2011, 09:09:44 pm
Welcome Rannan.  Ask any and all questions, and you will receive lots of replies.  Enjoy your home....

David


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: mciai2000 on April 11, 2011, 09:23:37 pm
Hi HDdriver:

Wow, lots of questions.   I think you may get a better response if you move this discussion to the general discussion board as I am not sure everyone checks here often. 

I know if you put a shout out there you will get some owners to respond and let you see theirs. I know a couple of the posters are from California. 

As far as warrenty the cutaway chasis part is Ford, so most any Ford dealer will do that work.  As far as the actual Mh part, you call or e-mail Phoenix your problem, they tell you how to rectify the problem. If it involves a rv dealer you send the estimate to Phoenix and they send you a check.  Of course some of us, stop at the factory on our way through.  Pretty dang cool.

David



Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: billy on April 11, 2011, 10:23:28 pm
We live in Coarsegold, Ca. Thats about 25-30 NE of Fresno, feel free to post or email us and we would be happy to have you up and when done we could go to the casino for a great buffet.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: bobander on April 12, 2011, 08:45:40 pm
Hello to all,

I'm new to the forum, although I've been reading it for several months. I recently retired and have been looking for the perfect RV (if there is such as thing) to purchase. We started out looking at TT's, then Class B's, C's and finally Class A's. We found the Class A we wanted (Winnebago/Itasca 32H), and still like it over all the other RV's we've seen. Then I came across an article on the PC 2551 and immediately liked what I saw and read. I would be able to park it at home rather than pay storage as would be required if I got a Class A. From the research I've done on-line, I know there are no dealers in the Northern Ca. area, or the Western U.S for that matter. For awhile there was a dealer in Az. but now it appears he no longer handles the PC. This gives me concern as I would very much like to see one in-person before committing to the purchase. I am willing to travel several hundred miles to see one. Is there anyone in the Sacramento, Ca. area that knows of a 2551 that can be viewed? Also some other concerns are: getting warrenty work done, if needed, and routine service work done as needed. Since the factory is in Indiana how do you, as owners, deal with warrenty work? Any info you can provide is greatly appreciated. I've already learned enough from this forum to know that the PC, and specifically the 2551, is just want we're looking for.

We have a 2010 2551 and live near Graeagle CA, about 2 1/2 hours from Sacramento, north of Truckee.  We purchased last year through the dealer in AZ that is no longer in business.  Let me know if you want to come up to see the RV, I know how you feel about wanting to see one in person, luckily the AZ dealer had a 2551 in stock and then we order one through them just the way we wanted it.

Sorry, we don't have a casino nearby for a buffet like Billy does.
Bob A


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Badger on April 22, 2011, 04:02:07 pm
Welcome to Phoenix USA RV's Discussion Board. We think you'll find this is a nice place to hang out. Why don't you start off with a little introduction and tell us a bit about yourself?

Hi,
We just purchased our PC 2552 in March direct from Stuart and had it delivered to our winter home in Florida.  Drove it back up to Elkhart with our trade in and brought it to our summer home in northern WI.  We are now getting it fitted out to tow our Jeep Grand Cherokee-would be interested to know if any folks have found it necessary to have a breaking device added to tow a Jeep. Also bought the extended warrranty from XtraRide-has anyone had any experiences with this product good or bad ?
Like the discussion group, a lot of neat ideas and simple solutions

B

Badger


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on April 22, 2011, 04:18:37 pm
B  Badger,

We started out towing a light weight little 2000 Toyota MR2 Spyder convertible that weighed only 2200 pounds, seen here.
(http://www.phoenixusarv.com/testimonials/slides/RonDittmer3.JPG)

We did NOT have a braking system setup with it.  I considered it marginal.  When we needed to brake hard, it got a little scary.  I thought that little car had very little influence in braking distance until we drove a short distance without the car attached, and it was a huge difference.  I was very surprised how such a little car could push the motor home so hard.

Our 3rd year owning the PC, we changed tow vehicles to a 2006 Jeep Liberty weighing 3800 pounds, seen here.
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4038/5161179007_8d1fdc6468_z.jpg)

I was NOT going to risk anything with a heavier vehicle.  I installed a Unified tow braking system, made by US Gear.  It is the only system I know of that activates and utilizes the tow vehicle's power brake booster through a vaccuum pump.  The braking system's sensitivity is adjustable while you drive the motor home which is very useful when you go down long decents.  When set to maximum, you can stop quicker with the tow vehicle than if you didn't have it at all.  I really like my Unified Tow Brake a lot, and another fellow on this forum likes his a lot too.  It is expensive but well worth it for the extra safety.  The kit is around $900-$1000 and I installed it myself.  Installation is not for the novice.  I feel if it prevents one accident, then it more than paid for itself.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: bobander on April 22, 2011, 06:23:40 pm
Hi Badger,

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_HPzr_beG0fo/TbH9MrSmI1I/AAAAAAAAAEI/arK82WRQeZI/s912/IMG_0790_1.jpg)

I am the other fellow Ron referred to who likes the US Gear Unified braking system.  We tow a Jeep Wrangler behind our 2010 2551.  I have towed the Jeep without tow brakes behind a truck/camper and for the first trip with the 2551, the brake system makes a huge difference in stopping distance.  Fortunately I never had to do an emergency stop, but I think I may have been in trouble without the braking system.  Not only is it safer to have the braking system, but it is required in the states I travel.

I agree with Ron that the install is a challenge, I did it myself but it took some time and creative engineering.  The system is both progressive and proportional and the dash control makes it easy to adjust for different driving conditions.  The system in the Jeep is completely hidden and there is nothing to mess with in the Jeep.  All you do is hook up the electric connector and breakaway cable when you hook up the Jeep to tow.  I have driven 7000 miles with no problems.

Welcome to the forum,
Bob


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on April 22, 2011, 07:40:20 pm
Yes I agree with Bob,

There is virtually nothing to see inside the tow vehicle once the system installed, that is unless you look under my Liberty's driver seat.  I mounted the solonoid on top of the carpet under there.  The vaccuum pump is under the hood by the brake master cylinder, and the control module is tucked up inside the dash board out of sight.  I wanted everything looking real good so I did spend a lot of time routing the wiring to look like it was all originally installed at the Jeep factory.  

Routine hookup and unhooking of the tow to the motor home happens while hooking up the tail lights.  Thanks Bob for helping me with that one.......the motor home wiring, and also about the better (more wires) slinky cable to use.

Bob is the resident expert on this.  I just followed his very helpful instruction.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: mciai2000 on April 24, 2011, 09:52:50 am
Hi Badger:

Welcome to the family.

There is no need to me to post a picture as my setup looks exactly like Ron's.  Same color Jeep too.  The only difference is that my Jeep has a diesel engine in it which makes it 400 lbs heavier. I use the Brake Buddy system when I tow. It is a pretty easy system to use.  I don't think it works quite as well as the Unified but I went with ease.  Right Now my unit it as the factory getting fixed as my 12 year old slammed the unit with car door one day by accident.  The company is fixing it for free!!  How about that for service??

I really don't think anyone should tow without some sort of supplemental brake system.  Food for thought.

David


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: GoPhoenix on April 25, 2011, 09:25:14 am
We use a Brake Buddy in our HHR.  With the dash monitor, you can see when it activates, which is rarely.  But it’s a secure feeling when it does.  On our last trip, we were driving in front of a row of parked RVs at a Flying J.  All of a sudden a car came busting through a vacant parking spot between two of the parked RVs, using the open parking spot as a shortcut on the way out.  I hit brakes hard almost hitting him.  There’s no doubt in my mind that there would have been a collision without the supplement braking.

Another observation.  How often do you see folks towing full-size cars, trucks and SUVs with a non-diesel motorhome?  I’m pretty sure most of these folks are exceeding the recommended towing capacity.  But even if not, the biggest risk is braking.  I’ve read that it’s against the law in Canada to tow without a brake assist.  I believe should be in the U.S. too.  Buy a lightweight toad and use a brake assist.  I like the Brake Buddy.  Simple to install, works well, and it easily transferred we traded for new tow car.  Also, I personally don’t feel you need to pay extra for proportional braking.  With careful driving and braking, it rarely comes on.  But when it does…


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Mike D on April 29, 2011, 07:15:53 pm
Right now the problem we are having with the coach is excessive play in the steering wheel which makes driving a chore.  Folks on another forum suggest I go to a reputable truck place and have the alignment checked and consider a steering stabilizer.  That is on tap for next week.  
I replied to you on the other forum, copying it here too.

Hi Paula, It's me Ron Dittmer from the Cruisers forum.

Your Phoenix Cruiser 2551 at 26'-5" long, 93" wide, and 10'-1" to the top of a/c unit, built on an E450 chassis is a lighter weighted house on the heaviest duty chassis and drive train available anywhere. Most motor homes using the E450 chassis are taller, wider, longer, and heavier. My point being, you have a lot of margin considering weight and engine power.

As other Ford 1998-2010 E350 and E450 owners say about their own Ford V10 engine, it's strong, but it's also very noisey when going up inclines. You may think it's working hard, but by Ford's design, it spins very fast to get up hills. Do not be concerned about it. You'll simply have to get used to hearing the engine reving as a normal thing. The same when going down hill. When I do engine braking down-hill, the engine revs way up too, sometimes near red-line on the tachometer. For a little "extra" peace of mind, I now use full synthetic motor oil.

About your PC-2551 handling issues. You sound like me when we bought our PC-2350. As others above here stated, and yourself confirmed, take it to a truck suspension shop, not an automotive suspension shop. If you have limited funding for suspension upgrades, then you will want to do improvements one step at a time. I advise to consider evaluating/upgrading in this order.

1a) Tire pressure is very influential in handling and quality of ride. Tire pressure is determined by the weight on it. Ask Phoenix USA what the weight is on front and rear tires, then follow the chart in Michelan's website on pressure per weight.

1b) Front wheel alignment. Our 2007 PC-2350 alignment was off by so much that the truck shop had to use offset bushings to get the camber set properly. Phoenix USA may cover the cost of a wheel alignment. I heard them covering for another PC owner. Our front wheel alignment cost us $170 three years ago. BTW: The shop told me most motor homes require offset bushings for a proper alignment, so the Phoenix Cruiser is no exception.

When you take the RV in for a wheel alignment, fill the fresh tank with water, empty the waste tanks, and fill up the RV with a full tank of gas and propane. Also keep your gear, dishes, etc. inside. The mission is to get an alignment done with the RV weighted as it would be during a voyage. If you want to go an extra step, place weights just behind the driver and passenger seats to represent two adults in the front cab. I did that.

2) Replace your Ford steering stabilizer with a heavy duty one. We have a Safe-T-Plus and it does a great job. But there are other good brands out there too. Ours eliminates driver over-reaction and "steering wheel floaties".

3) Replace your shock absorbers with Bilsteins or Koni-RV shocks. The shocks on your E450 chassis could be the same used in the E350, and the E250 passenger and cargo van. That was the case in 2007. If true today, those shocks are not ideal for any motor home where the chassis is loaded to near capacity, 100% of the time because a house is always on it.

4) Replace your Ford rear stabilizer bar with a heavy duty one from Helwig, Roadmaster, or other brand. A heavy duty stabilizer bar significantly reduces side-to-side rocking motion like a boat on water.

5) Replace your Ford front stabilizer bar for the same reasons.

6) If you tow anything at all, you might find the rear end of your PC-2551 moving side to side horizontally, commonly referred to as "tail-wagging". If so, then consider a rear trac bar. That will eliminate that unwanted motion.

We had all this done at once, costing us $3900. It was a lot of money to spend, but given the experience addressing handling issues with our old RV of 24 years, I wasn't going to fool around this time to try and save some money. We decided to do it all at once, be done with it, and enjoy this "perfect handling" RV from DAY ONE. Our PC-2350 handles like a dream. And it tows a vehicle 100% of the time too.




Ron did you have this done at time of order.

thanks

mike

Oh by the way I joined to find out about Rvs so I can make a good choice,
 My wife and I are retired and plan on seeing this great country,1st time rv.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: mciai2000 on April 29, 2011, 07:25:33 pm
Mike:

Welcome.  I am sure Ron will answer shortly.  He is usually on the ball.

DJM


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on April 29, 2011, 08:06:06 pm
Hi MikeD,

Welcome here to the Phoenix Cruiser forum.  I am glad to read you are doing some research here.

We did not order ours from the factory with the suspension upgrades mentioned.  On our mainden weekend journey from Chicago to Door County, WI, (4 hours away) we drove for a couple hours on an urban interstate highway that was being resurfaced.  We drove on the inside and outside shoulders at 50mph while towing a little car.  Our 2007 PC2350 did not handle those extreme conditions well at all.  Our experience with our first motorhome was just as poor which we got resolved mid way through our 24 years of ownership with it.  We were not going to mess around with our new motor home, so I took the new rig to the same place we took our first rig, to our local and trusted RV suspension shop and simply agreed to the recommendation of the shop expert there.  We spent $3900 to get a lot of suspension upgrades which dramatically improved the handling under poor as well as under ideal driving conditions.  I describe the "Before" as a drunken sailer.  The "After" as a tight SUV.  The things we had the shop do is as follows.
- Roadmaster heavy duty front & rear sway bars
- Henderson rear trac bar
- Koni-RV shocks
- Safe-T-Plus steering stabilizer
- Front wheel alignment which required offset bushings to get the camber set perfect

Such suspension upgrades are strongly beneficial on any motor home, not just a Phoenix Cruiser.  I am not sure the Phoenix factory would do them, or have the motor home sent elsewhere to have it done.  It would surely be worth an inquiry.

Ask any more questions.  I would be happy to answer what I can.

PS:  I think a Phoenix Cruiser would make a great 1st motor home.  Just be sure to consider the right model that meets your needs best.  Most popular with retired folks is the 2551, but the new model 2552 model is a fast growing replacement for it's extra living room lounge chair.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Mike D on April 29, 2011, 09:09:41 pm
Thanks ron

one thing My wife has to have a queen bed.

I do all the cooking and don`t know much about the little micro/convection ovens,I have a gas oven at home--can you roast and bake in these things and will it brown meat?


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: billy on April 29, 2011, 10:09:12 pm
Our 3100 was great until we loaded it. I love the rear storage but it seems to gather a lot of weight. I did lower the tire pressure on the front to 70psi. That helped a lot and hoping the alignment will do better. I have a steering stabilizer came off the F53 Class A and hope I could adapt it to the Cruiser. It is rather a LARGE shock????


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on April 30, 2011, 11:11:15 am
My wife has to have a queen bed.
.....can you roast and bake in these things and will it brown meat?
If a queen bed is "most important", then the only PC models to consider are the 2900 and the 2910 where the queen bed is in a rear slide out.

I am not the "cook" in my household, so I hope the PC chefs will comment on the combo micro/convection oven.  Yes it will brown meat, but it seems NOT meant for huge roasts.  My wife most often uses the microwave, and occasionally does convection cooking to brown meat and some baking too.  But she prefers most cooking done outside on a picnic table using our table-top grill and propane stove.  My wife would prefer all cooking outside as she loves doing outdoor cooking of every kind, but utilizes indoor cooking when in a rush, when we have a late dinner after dark, and when parked overnight in places like Wal-Mart parking lots where it is not proper to setup camp.

You may want to consider investing in a table-top grill.  There is another post about grills, and the Weber Baby Q gets the most praise.  Click here to get to that post -----> http://phoenixusarv.com/community/index.php?topic=410.0 (http://phoenixusarv.com/community/index.php?topic=410.0)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Mike D on May 01, 2011, 12:24:56 am
Ron I love to BBQ,smoke meat and grill.
  I have a Weber Performer and a Q120 ,the Q120 will go in the RV.

 ;)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 353795 on May 06, 2011, 03:02:32 pm
Welcome to Phoenix USA RV's Discussion Board. We think you'll find this is a nice place to hang out. Why don't you start off with a little introduction and tell us a bit about yourself

,I just purchased a 2010 Phoenix Cruiser 2551 and rving is new to me, however I have owned a sailboat for 35 years and have done extensive cruising. I purchased the unit in Florida and drove it to Pa. were our home is. We are planning a trip to New England and Canada this summer thin back to Fl. for the winter.
We are Ann Miller and Bob Halter and we live in Lancaster,Pa. and would like to here from any Phoenix owner in our area.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on May 06, 2011, 03:46:57 pm
Ann and Bob:
Welcome to the Forum! We were new to RV'ing 3 years ago (sailors as well) bought a 22' Airstream Interstate (too small) then a PC 2350 Sprinter (hated the corner bed, loved the mileage) and this year a 2551 (love it, hate the mileage). We live in Florida but take off in the summer. We are heading North again this year-PEI, Nova Scotia, New England. Love the Canadian Maritimes! This will be our 3rd year travelling there.  Might even be in your neck of the woods.
If we can be of any help with campgrounds etc. please let us know.

Judi and George


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on May 06, 2011, 05:24:46 pm
Judi & George,

Is that your old 2010 Sprinter 2350 no-slide with couch on ebay right now?


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on May 06, 2011, 06:43:45 pm
No. Our Sprinter had the dinette. The cabinetry was cherry and the exterior was gray full body paint.

Judi


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Gracie on May 12, 2011, 12:54:10 pm
Greetings:  Bo and I have been looking for a gently used PC for some months and now we have a good looking 3100 under the RV port.  She has had many good comments from the neighbors.  It is expected that this one will be easier to handle and also comfortable. Thanks for including us in this forum and we hope to meet some of you in the future.
Gracie


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on May 12, 2011, 04:34:49 pm
Welcome to the Forum. You will find so many ideas on this forum! Projects will be never ending (but fun). Glad you found the PC that you were looking for!

Judi and George


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on May 13, 2011, 10:23:35 am
Welcome Gracie!   hithere


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Caflashgordon on May 23, 2011, 06:20:24 pm
Hello Fellow Phoenix Owners!

I've been lurking here since my wife and I bought our 2010 2350 last year, but have not posted until now.

This is our 3rd motorhome. We previously owned a '78 Jamboree on a Dodge chassis which we bought used in the early '90s and a '99 Dutchmen on an E-350 chassis, which we bought new and put about 100K miles on. We have historically used our motorhomes mostly for towing a racecar and staying at the track. 

We were in the mind to upgrade last summer,  looking for a bargain diesel pusher at a used/consignment lot when we peeked into the Sprinter-Chassis Phoenix unit.  We were immediately impressed with the quality and roominess. We took it out for a test drive and we were really impressed by the ride quality.  The same day we tested it towing our loaded car trailer and subsequently made a deal on it.

In the year that we have owned it, we have put 10,000 miles on it (without taking any big trips!), and have probably spent around 50 nights in it. We have come to like it more and more and have made a point to recommend Phoenix Cruisers to anyone who will listen.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on May 23, 2011, 06:45:35 pm
Gordon,

You "DO" have a testimony worth sharing.  I would love to see your unit and also what it tows.  There are not many Sprinter based PCs out there, so I hope you get a website setup on yours.  Then I'd have a place to direct others to see one...... :lol

Welcome Aboard!

I am curious as to the year of your Sprinter chassis.

Ron


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on May 23, 2011, 07:15:36 pm
Welcome to the Forum! We traded in our 2350 Sprinter in Feb. for a 2551. Still miss the Sprinter!! The negative, for us, was the corner bed. The twins in the 2551 are what we need at this stage in our lives. It seems that the Sprinter is right for you. Enjoy.

You will find much help and many friendly folks here.

Judi and George


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: billy on May 23, 2011, 10:57:54 pm
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Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: BrownCrew on July 13, 2011, 05:30:07 am
We just got our "used" 2010 PC 2350 on the Sprinter chassis in May/June.  After three 5th wheel campers and one other class B+ or C- motor home, I think we finally found a keeper !

 2o2

Blake & Marina


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on July 13, 2011, 08:01:20 am
Blake and Marina,
Welcome to the Forum! As a previous owner of a Sprinter, if you can deal with the corner bed, it will be a keeper!

We traded our Sprinter, without a slide, for a 2551 without a slide. Loved the Sprinter-hated the bed. The 2551 is more comfortable for long trips. The comfort of the cab in the Sprinter surpasses the Ford.

Your 2010 2350 without slide wouldn't happen to be slate gray full body paint with cherry interior, would it?

Judi and George


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: BrownCrew on July 13, 2011, 09:03:53 am
Ours is not the slate grey.  Rust Lower Body Paint, with Classic Umber Interior Colors.

So far the corner bed has not been an issue.  We use a foam mattress topper (from Ikea)  which eases the hassle of making a corner bed.  It is "cozy" but we have been getting a good nights sleep so far on a couple short trips.  No long trip scheduled until Sept and beyond.

The ride and handling characteristics of the Sprinter are amazing compared to what we have had before.  One of our previous RVs was a 2004 Gulfstream B Touring Cruiser on an E350.  The ride was just plain terrible, noisy and sometime scary.  By the way, everyone should have to own a Gulfsteam ... ONCE !   :lol   If only for on site repair skills.



Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on July 13, 2011, 12:19:25 pm
We use a foam mattress topper (from Ikea)  which eases the hassle of making a corner bed.
My wife insisted on using conventional bedding, but leaves me to set the bed.  :'(

If I had it my way, I'd toss out a lot of "fluff" in our PC, keeping things much more basic.  I feel we carry too much stuff which does not have enough daily practical application.  We carry some "just-in-case" stuff too, much of which never gets used at all.  But all that makes the place "home" for my wife.

Happy Wife = Happy Life   ((hug))

I guess I too am guilty of "just-in-case" stuff.  I lugged around bags of Lynx Levelers for two weeks, but never used them.  (WH)  So there!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: BrownCrew on July 13, 2011, 01:53:21 pm
Ron,

We still have the conventional mattress for the corner bed.  Its just when we make the bed, we only tuck the sheets under the topper.  By the way, it was her idea, so it keeps with your theme ... HW = HL !

It is very easy to run around with too much "fluff" in an RV.  We haven't filled the PC yet, and hopefully we won't until we go on a long cross-county this winter.

My "just in case stuff" has been shrunk down to a tool box and two small tupperware containers of  stuff  ... that took awhile.  But the Gulfstream BT was good at teaching me what you really can use for repairs on the road.

Don't feel bad about the levelers if you only carried them for 2 weeks.  I still have my set onboard.  And considering where we will be travelling, I am not ready to unload them yet.   (WH)

Live and learn ...  2o2

UPDATE ... used my leveling blocks in 2 campgrounds last week.  We don't sleep well with our head lower than our feet !
 
 (WH)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: McFadin Clan on August 24, 2011, 07:28:10 pm
Hello,
I wanted to introduce myself and my husband as proud new owners of a 2012 2551!  We live in Northern CA and were lucky enough to be able to pick the unit up about 4 hours from our home.

We are virgin RV owners  (we have rented many times) so we will be reading the forum and pestering you experts with questions.

Looking forward to getting to know all of you,
Vicki and Jack



Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on August 24, 2011, 09:14:05 pm
Hi Vicki & Jack,

Welcome!

Any questions, concerns, we share everything here, not just the great stuff.  But we try real hard to be kind when issues pop up.  Phoenix USA takes really good care of the people who bought their creations, and we appreciate it so very much.  So if something concerns you, this is a good place to start.  Just ask your question.

A number of us have some interesting add-ons and modifications too.  So if you wonder....if only.....just ask.  Maybe someone here has done something about it already.

See you around!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: bobander on August 25, 2011, 01:34:49 am
Hello,
I wanted to introduce myself and my husband as proud new owners of a 2012 2551!  We live in Northern CA and were lucky enough to be able to pick the unit up about 4 hours from our home.

We are virgin RV owners  (we have rented many times) so we will be reading the forum and pestering you experts with questions.

Looking forward to getting to know all of you,
Vicki and Jack



Welcome, and as Ron said, just ask any question and you will get great responses.  And don't forget to share any ideas that you come up with that we all may find useful.

Please tell us how you picked up a new PC here in California, I didn't think there were any PC dealers in the west.

Bob (the one with the 2010 2551 near Truckee, CA that you PM'd)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on August 25, 2011, 06:00:05 am
Welcome!

This forum is a great place to get/give ideas and thoughts about the PC.

We are on our 2nd  newPC in 2 years. We really loved the ride of our 2350 Sprinter. Now we have a 2011 2551. Love the design of the interior-it is very comfortable.

We have asked many questions and received many answers. We plan to make some additions when we get back to our home in Florida.

Judi and George


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: McFadin Clan on August 25, 2011, 04:49:33 pm
Hi Bob,
We were able to pick up our RV in San Luis Obisbo.  Craig was going to fly out to pick up a unit the company was buying back.  When we decided we wanted the 2012 2551 Stuart proposed Craig driving it out to pick up the other.  We jumped at the chance and spent 2 nights in Pismo Beach in our "rig".  We were only hooked up to electricity since we did not have the other needed hoses.  We had lots of fun and can't wait for our virgin voyage!

Thanks to everyone for your welcomes.  We hope to meet you on the road!
Vicki


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: mciai2000 on August 25, 2011, 07:56:01 pm
Welcome Mcfadin clan! :)(:  As Ron said, we are here for you.

David


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: pyrthkr on August 26, 2011, 05:55:46 pm
Hey Vicki and Craig!  Where did you see that the Pomona show was cancelled?  I just saw another ad in Motorhome magazine for it.
 :cool


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: McFadin Clan on September 03, 2011, 03:26:28 am
Hi Mike & Sue,
I went to this website
 2011 Pomona RV & Travel Show | Affinity Events
2011 Pomona RV & Travel Show. THE POMONA RV & TRAVEL SHOW HAS BEEN CANCELLED. PLEASE CHECK BACK FOR DATES AND DETAILS. For more information, please call Jim Sibert 800-736 ...
www.agievents.com/shows/​display.cfm?showid=40

Today I found another website  http://www.carvshow.com/ that publicizes the event will go on.
Not sure why!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: pyrthkr on September 06, 2011, 03:28:12 pm
Interesting.  Think we'll tentatively plan on going the 2nd w/e & see if they actually open on the 14th.  I was hoping to see the new 2551 +/or 2552.
 :cool


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: rvdreamer on September 21, 2011, 06:11:37 pm
 Hi, 

Brand new to this forum. Wanted to share afew things:
1) Thanks a heap to Ron Dittmers for his excellent articles regarding the PC. He's 'sold' me.
2) Unfortunately I can't find the used 2100 non slide 2008 or later.
3) Should you or anyone you know be searching for an RV on-line DO NOT go to rvall.com. BOGUS and it gives scammers all the info about what you are seeking so that they magically show up and if you aren't careful would be out of $$$. 


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: aimee on September 21, 2011, 06:31:28 pm
Welcome to the forum, and thanks for the heads' up on the scam site.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Geojude on September 23, 2011, 04:35:04 pm
Greetings to the forum.  We are now the proud owners of a pristine 2006 PC 2551.  Only 14K miles and in excellent condition.  We have only used it one night so far (last Saturday after we picked it up), but already love it.  Hoping to get in a few weekends before the temps drop and the snow flies.

George and Jude


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TomHanlon on September 23, 2011, 04:50:51 pm
 (w) (w) (w) George and Jude.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: pyrthkr on September 24, 2011, 01:20:23 pm
Welcome George and Judi!

We have a 2008 2551 and love it!
 :cool


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on September 24, 2011, 01:43:20 pm
George and Jude,

Welcome to our Forum. You will love your PC. We have a 2011 2551 and so far so good--we have to do some work on the shocks to improve the ride and then it will be 100%.

It's going to be kind of confusin'--we are George and Judi and you are George and Jude.

Enjoy!

George and Judi


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Butchadams on October 02, 2011, 12:04:55 am
I'm catching a 6am flight out of Seattle, on my way to Elkhart.  I'll be picking up my new 2552 on Monday!!
I will start heading back west either Monday or Tuesday, depending on what time we wrap things up.  It's going to be a long solo trip, but the DW will be waiting, as she could not come because she just had a proceedure done on her knee.

I plan to take my time (to a degree) and enjoy myself!!!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on October 02, 2011, 01:15:06 am
I'm catching a 6am flight out of Seattle, on my way to Elkhart.  I'll be picking up my new 2552 on Monday!!
I will start heading back west either Monday or Tuesday, depending on what time we wrap things up.  It's going to be a long solo trip, but the DW will be waiting, as she could not come because she just had a proceedure done on her knee.

I plan to take my time (to a degree) and enjoy myself!!!
Congrats!

For the non-local customer, the factory advises to camp one night locally to make sure you are satisfied before heading home.  You might want to do that.  If you think something isn't right, return the next morning and the factory makes you their highest priority to get you on your way.  Sometimes you think something is not working right when it's opperator error.  But sometimes they will need to repair, adjust, or replace something they did not catch in final inspection.  Sometimes it just the flipping of a switch too, furthering your education.

The first time we camped in a cold climate, we were in the Rockies.  The furnace didn't work.  I found a switch located behind the outdoor panel.  Things like that can happen.....nobody's fault.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TomHanlon on October 02, 2011, 09:28:42 am
Welcome Butch.

I hope you are not picking up my new 2552. :-D I guess I better call on Monday and see when mine will be ready. You sure made a great choice of motorhome and model. I would have bought the 2552 the first time if it had been available, but it wasn't.

Ron is correct on spending one night locally. (exactly)  I would suggest the Elkhart Campground. It is just a couple of miles away from the factory and a couple of miles from a Lowes, Walmart and an Manards hardware. All good places to stop and get towel bars, T/P holder, etc, so the factory can install them while you are picking up the PC. They are on the way from the airport to the factory. We spent on night when we picked up our first PC and tested everything we could. All the lights, water, air conditioning (both house and Fords dash), heaters (dash, LPG and electric), doors and drawers, plugs (have a small plug in test light with you) and vents. Some of these things you can test during the walk through but doing them again at a campsite helps. We found one small thing, the passengers side door molding over the outside mirror was broken. We stopped at the factory and Bobby replaced it in about two minutes. He also answered a couple of question I came up with while camping in the PC.

Anyway I hope you enjoy your new PC and the trip home. What color and options did you get?

Stay on the forum and let us know what you thing and mods you make to make it your own.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on October 02, 2011, 10:35:54 am
Welcome!!! Ron and Tom are correct--spend a night in Elkhart in the coach to make sure everything is a go for your trip home.

You will love your 2552; we were just under the wire for the debut of the 2552 when we ordered our 2551. It would have been a 2552 had we known. Such is life.

The folks at the factory aim to please. They are a great group. Customer service is top notch. That is one of the reasons that we have had two new PC's in two years.

Safe travels,
Judi and George


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Bob Mahon on October 02, 2011, 12:23:01 pm
A suggestion:
Set the thermostat at it's highest and fire up the Furnace. Let it run for a half-hour or so while you're out of the 'House'.
When new they often give off unpleasant fumes that irritate and set off the smoke detector.

The 2552 is a very nice unit and I believe you'll be happy with it (we are).


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: mciai2000 on October 02, 2011, 05:11:25 pm
 :-D  welcome and enjoy..

DJM


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TomHanlon on October 13, 2011, 06:59:55 am
Butch Adams,

How did your trip/pickup go? Did you enjoy the ride home?


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: cordylm on November 10, 2011, 04:39:28 pm
Hello. I am in Indiana now and have spent several hours with Stuart. Gosh, how could anyone bad mouth him?
Anyway, if I do this I will be trading in my 38 foot Tiffin Bus with 4 slides for the PC 2012 model 3100. It's in production now so I get to rearrange things. That's very cool.
I'm wondering how people like their 3100 models and am sad to see that my 2008 diesel pusher is not bringing as much money back as I had hoped, but I believe Stuart as he called several of his people right in front of me.
It's snowing here today...beautiful, but cold; so glad it's warm in the factory!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: billy on November 10, 2011, 09:59:06 pm
We had a 36’ hurricane v10 was very comfortable, down to a 3100 was not much of a leap for me, for the co-pilot was a little different BUT when Sharon drove it, it was all together different. Most of the mods I did and enjoyed doing them. One thing I did not like was the placement of the fire extinguisher. Probably easy to get to but in the way. The outside drain for the fresh water tank could have been under the coach, I hit a limb and it took mine off. I made a round plastic circle, screwed it to the side and had it drain (same spot) under the rig. Drilled a hole in the floor. This way I get the tank completely emptied. I would ask for a LONGER audio cable to the TV as when you work on the TV it will pull out. If I can thnk of anything else I write. As for the ride I would recommend driving it awhile and working from there.  bill


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on November 11, 2011, 08:02:59 am
Go for it!!! You will love the PC and all of the folks who put her together--yes, it's a her.

From sunny and cold (57 degrees) Florida

Judi


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TomHanlon on November 11, 2011, 08:43:05 am
Welcome Cordylm,

You will love the PC. We will be at the factory on Monday morning 11/14/11 to trade in our 2350 for a new 2552. Maybe we will see each other. I notice we come from neighboring states.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Barry-Sue on November 14, 2011, 06:25:27 pm
Welcome to the list cordylm.  This is our second PC.  The first was a 2008 2350 and now we have the 2012 2551.  You could not ask to work with a better company or a nicer group of people.  Their top priority is to meet your needs. 

Barry and Sue


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: cordylm on November 21, 2011, 12:18:38 pm
Thanks. It's really very cool that you only deal with 2 people; Stuart and Kermit!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on November 21, 2011, 01:38:43 pm
In your future, you will also be dealing with Carol, Bobby, Amanda (she is our PC's Godmother) and Karen as well as Kermit and Stuart.

They are all VERY helpful. You will really be pleased that you bought the 3100. We are on our 2nd PC in two years. Customer service is the best===actually, Phoenix USA is the best!!!!

Judi


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TomHanlon on November 21, 2011, 01:40:58 pm
cordylm If you think that Stuart and Kermit are great and they are, wait until you talk to Carol and Bobby and Doug and everyone else in the factory. If you need a part or information about getting a special thing, call Carol, she is great to work with.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on November 22, 2011, 04:30:09 pm
I concur with Tom.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Trudy on November 22, 2011, 08:52:21 pm
So do I!. Carol was an enormous help when I was ordering wood and a few other items to make some mods to our PC.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: BandD on November 24, 2011, 11:14:12 am
Hi Folks,

Largely inspired by this extremely generous forum, we just bought a 2007 2350S here in the SF Bay Area.  We've travelled far, but not often, tymote in our former RoadTrek, and expect to be on the road still more in the Cruiser.
Our first trip starts tomorrow, to Bodega Bay, for the weekend. 

Bill And Diane


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: pyrthkr on November 24, 2011, 02:01:47 pm
Congratulations and welcome to the forum.  Travel safe tomorrow and always.
 :cool


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on November 24, 2011, 02:01:57 pm
Welcome to the family.  We too own a 2007 PC-2350, but we do not have the slideout option.  If you have any questions on your rig, just ask.

Happy Thanksgiving!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 2wingers on November 29, 2011, 06:57:15 pm
Hi,
We are Allen & Debby, and we just purchased a used 2009 PC 2551 November 15th.  We parted with a Bighorn 5th wheel which we never really used.  We live in Troy Missouri which is about 50 miles northwest of St. Louis.   We are in the process of packing the motorhome up and heading to Phoenix for the winter.  We plan on towing our Goldwing Trike in a cargo trailer.  Hoping to get out of here before the first snowfall.   The motorhome sure turns a lot of heads when we go down the road.  Looking forward to some happy trips....


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: aimee on December 15, 2011, 11:16:39 am
 (w) Glad you can join us!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: kavern on December 20, 2011, 09:18:01 pm
My name is Vern and my wife's name is Kay.  We picked up our new Phoenix 2552 on December First at the factory,  Yes, it had snowed and was very pretty, but we headed home to Florida as fast as we could.   We have been camping, in one form or the other, for 45 years or as long as we have been married. We are very happy with our new Phoenix and hope to meet some of you at the Tampa Supershow.   


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: billy on December 21, 2011, 12:50:23 am
Welcome, real great people here. Sorry to say we might not meet, we are on the west coast. If u ever come to one of the most screwed up state, looks us up. Billy, coarsegold, ca. Ps know ur gonna love the cruiser.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on December 21, 2011, 07:11:23 am
Welcome to the Forum. As Billy said you will "meet" some nice folks here and get many questions answered. Don't hesitate to ask.

We live in Florida and plan to go to the Tampa Show on Wed. Jan 11. On Jan 3rd and 4th we will be at the Franklin Locks Corps of Engineers campground outside of Ft.Myers. If you are in the area, stop by. We will be in Site 25.

You will really enjoy your PC.

Judi and George


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on December 21, 2011, 07:34:47 am
Hi Vern,

Welcome to the family of of PCs.  I am sure you will have some questions along the way.  Feel free to ask this forum.  There are no dumb questions.  We try to help eachother here as best we can.  Sometimes a new owner will think something is broken when it is actually opperator error.  Other times we'll offer a quick easy solution to a actual problem.  Sometimes it is so much easier to address a simple problem yourself, than to take the unit in for a warranty claim.  Fortunately such issues are uncommon anyway with these motor homes.

Congratulations on your new 2552.  It has become the hottest PC model.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: pyrthkr on December 21, 2011, 09:13:10 am
Congratulations Vern & Katy!  We're trading in our 2551 for a 2552 & sd/be picking her up in early Jan.  As everyone already indicates, this forum is a gem.
 :cool


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Barry-Sue on December 21, 2011, 09:14:17 am
Vern and Kay

Welcome to the Forum, it is a great source of information.  I'm sure you will enjoy your new PC.

We will also be at the W. P. Franklin Corps of Engineers campground at the same time in site 11.

Barry and Sue




Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TomHanlon on December 21, 2011, 10:22:34 am
Welcome Vern and Kay,

Glad to have you with our merry little band of PC owners. Our current and second PC is the same as you have, the 2552. I guess you have already found out how well balanced this motorhome is and how well it handles and rides. We all seem to make some changes or additions to make it ours. Be sure to post your modifications for all to see.

I wish we could winter in sunny Florida but my DW still is working for a living.  ;)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: DaleL on January 16, 2012, 03:21:25 pm
Hello everyone,

We are Dale and Claire, we bought a 2011 2350 PC and have enjoyed it very much. In fact, we have some our pictured posted on the main site, we are the one camping among the rocks and boulders at Joshua tree National Park. Living in California, we bought the coach through looking at the pictures on the PC web site. We had a Pleasure Way motorhome which proved to be too small and the 2350 looked like the perfect fit, I loved the fact we could park it almost anywhere. One day we were looking at the PC web site and saw the new 2552, oh my!! Fixed beds, a pantry for Claire, just a little more stretch out room, we were in love! Then we noticed one in the new dusk lower paint and I had to call Stuart, today our new 2552 is on it's way to California!!! We can hardly wait. We are both retired and plan to take lots of trips this year to make as many memories as possible. We, that's us, we are happy to join you and be a part of the PC forum family.

Dale and Claire


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: GebhartM on January 16, 2012, 03:31:38 pm
Welcome to Phoenix USA RV's Discussion Board. We think you'll find this is a nice place to hang out. Why don't you start off with a little introduction and tell us a bit about yourself?

I have been an RVer for many years---have moved from tent trailers to tongue pull to Trek to my current Phoenix Cruiser 2350  2007.  I am to the point in life where I want to spend alot less time working and more traveling in the Phoenix!  I have been in the field of education for 36 years as a teacher, coach, administrator and now as an educational consultant.  I live in the Land of Enchantment, which is a great state with varied cultures and natural beauty.  I can travel two hours and go from my home at 8,000 feet in the mountains and snow to the desert and play golf!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on January 16, 2012, 03:43:48 pm
Hello everyone,

We are Dale and Claire, we bought a 2011 2350 PC and have enjoyed it very much. In fact, we have some our pictured posted on the main site, we are the one camping among the rocks and boulders at Joshua tree National Park. Living in California, we bought the coach through looking at the pictures on the PC web site. We had a Pleasure Way motorhome which proved to be too small and the 2350 looked like the perfect fit, I loved the fact we could park it almost anywhere. One day we were looking at the PC web site and saw the new 2552, oh my!! Fixed beds, a pantry for Claire, just a little more stretch out room, we were in love! Then we noticed one in the new dusk lower paint and I had to call Stuart, today our new 2552 is on it's way to California!!! We can hardly wait. We are both retired and plan to take lots of trips this year to make as many memories as possible. We, that's us, we are happy to join you and be a part of the PC forum family.

Dale and Claire
Welcome to the Forum!!!
We did exactly what you are doing--from the a 2010 2350 to a 2011 2551 (it would have been a 2552 but that model was not available when we placed our order). It has been a year now and we really like the twin beds and the additional space in the 2551. Check out all the photos on the Forum. So many have made modifications that you might like.
Very exciting.
Best wishes with the 2552.

Judi and George


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TomHanlon on January 16, 2012, 05:02:21 pm
Welcome Dale and Claire,

We did the very same thing with the PC's that you are doing. Wait until you get the new 2552 and take it for a drive. The ride and handling is a whole lot better than the 2350. Also we can not find enought things to fill all the cabinets. Enjoy the new PC.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ge_montana on January 16, 2012, 05:11:52 pm
Greg & Kathy Matthews from St. Petersburg, FL and Red Lodge MT.

We are moving from 28 years of sailing a 1980 Tartan 33 to a 26.5' Motor Home. It is a lot easier to drop anchor with a motor home than with a sloop.

We are busy planning our first summer with a trip to the Canadian Maritimes.

After much research and a lot of reading many posts on many RV forums we decided on a 2010 2551 that we purchased two weeks ago. We spent the weekend at the Tampa Show and nothing else that we wish we had purchased.

Greg Matthews
ourphototalk.com


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on January 16, 2012, 05:58:33 pm
Greg and Kathy,
Again, we did "almost" the same thing! We had sailed for years and finally moved from Plymouth MA to Punta Gorda FL to enjoy our passion all year. After  12 years and numerous vessels in Florida, we bought our 1st RV--an Airstream Interstate (a B on the Sprinter chassis). After a year and a trip to Nova Scotia, PEI etc. found it too small.
Bought a Phoenix Cruiser (2010 2350 on the Sprinter). Again, things we didn't like--especially the corner bed == so last year the 2011 2511. We are good!!! Three years later and 3 trips to the Canadian Maritimes, we are still happy with our choice of Phoenix.
We were at the Tampa Show last week and looked at all the alternatives. Phoenix Cruisers, in our biased opinion, are still the best value for the $$$/ Best designed and best customer support.
Welcome to the Forum and enjoy your PC.

Judi and George


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: DaleL on January 16, 2012, 06:23:59 pm

Welcome Dale and Claire,

We did the very same thing with the PC's that you are doing. Wait until you get the new 2552 and take it for a drive. The ride and handling is a whole lot better than the 2350. Also we can not find enought things to fill all the cabinets. Enjoy the new PC.


Thank you. We have been following some of your post and that helped us decide on the 2552, you seemed so happy with your choice. I am happy to hear it rides better than the 2350, I was forced to have installed heavy duty air bags in order to lift the back end, people were flashing their lights at us at night, our coach dipped down somewhat in the rear, besides the air bags did wonders for the ride and handling. I was hoping we would not have to go to such an expense with the 2552.

Dale



Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: DaleL on January 16, 2012, 07:03:12 pm
Thank you Judi, George and Tom for the welcome. It's nice to know we aren't only ones who made this decision from the 2350 to the 2500 series. We are going to Parker, AZ as soon as the coach gets here. We have a great camp site right on the Colorado river. The temperature is suppose to be in the 70's. Nice.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: lmichael on January 19, 2012, 10:38:24 pm
Dale, you should have the headlights adjusted before doing the air bag thing.  When they add the motor home to the chasis and you fill the tanks (plus stored items), the back dips and the headlights go up.  I adjusted the lights on my current 2350 and previous 2700 following the instructions in the ford manual.  It's easy and doesn't cost anything but your time.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: DaleL on January 20, 2012, 09:03:46 am
Dale, you should have the headlights adjusted before doing the air bag thing.  When they add the motor home to the chasis and you fill the tanks (plus stored items), the back dips and the headlights go up.  I adjusted the lights on my current 2350 and previous 2700 following the instructions in the ford manual.  It's easy and doesn't cost anything but your time.

It was more than just the headlights, the handling seemed affected as well. The bags made a world of difference in the ride and handling. It's all a mute point now, our new 2012 2552 is sitting in our driveway!
Dale


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: DaleL on January 20, 2012, 11:18:43 am
Dale, you should have the headlights adjusted before doing the air bag thing.  When they add the motor home to the chasis and you fill the tanks (plus stored items), the back dips and the headlights go up.  I adjusted the lights on my current 2350 and previous 2700 following the instructions in the ford manual.  It's easy and doesn't cost anything but your time.

oh i forgot to mention, we often would pull our 15ft boston whaler which put more hitch weight on the back. All i can say is, whoever buys our 2350 will love the way it rides and handles now, we just needed more room.
Dale


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on January 20, 2012, 12:16:07 pm
...my current 2350 and previous 2700...
lmichael,
You are the only person I know who previously owned a larger PC, then down-sized into a 2350.  I am curious, what your reasoning was and how satisfied you are with your decision.

I assume the masses who went the other way...from a 2350 to a 2551 or 2552, was mainly due to the limited access of the 2350 rear corner double bed, and for better bathroom conveniences.  Am I right all you converts?  Or was there primarily another reason why you were so inspired to do so?

Not so long ago when I was more aggresive in promoting the Phoenix Cruiser, I shared how much we love our 2350.  I wondered how many people bought one like ours partially because of my comments.  Then when I noticed on this forum, how the 2350 masses were moving into something just a little bigger, I stopped promoting for fear of steering people into something they would be disappointed with.

For my wife and I, sleeping across an isle from eachother would be absolutely unacceptable.  We'd much rather wrestle a bit into bed than give up snuggling and the other.....  But apparently most of you have other higher priorities like easy bed entry/exit, and making up the beds in the morning. Oh, and the nicer bathroom too.

I always thought PC-USA should offer a short-as-possible 26-27 footer, rear walk-around double bed like once was very popular before the days of slideouts.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: lmichael on January 21, 2012, 07:44:52 pm
Ron, guess we're a little weird going from the 2700 to the 2350.  We also did it knowing that we will shortly go full-time (Stuart thought that was strange, too).  We considered the 2551, but didn't want the two beds.  The 2700 had a lot of good features, especially the walk around bed that pushed out.  It didn't have a living area slide which we wanted, and we also wanted something smaller that was easy to drive in cities and out of the way places--not that the 2700 was that much bigger, but we've found the 2350 visibility and manuvarability better--for us.  The rear bed is a little inconvenient, but my wife is 5' and I'm 5'6" so we fit nicely in the 2350.  Larger people would probably not like it, but it works for us.  We've taken several long trips (even hosted at a COE site for awhile) and have been extremely satisfied with the 2350.  My only negative is Ford's fault--the gear indicator light on the dash is orange which still catches my eye and makes me think there's a problem.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: begentle on January 24, 2012, 04:43:07 pm
Deena & Avery here -- just got home from picking up our new-to-us 2010 2551 -- a beautiful pristine rig with 6500 miles.  No -- make that 8800 miles after our Pennsylvania to New Mexico maiden cruise, dodging snowstorms, tornadoes, rain, fog and a dust storm to get her home safe and sound! Suffice to say January is not the best month to do a cross country trek. >:(

But after putting on heavy duty sway bars and new shocks, she drove like a dream, and we comfortably made the trip in 4 days of long driving.  So nice to climb into our cozy beds at the end of a long day.  What a way to get to know a new coach!

We are downsizing from a 37 ft. Alfa Class A that we full-timed in the past two years.  Happy to now have something smaller for impromptu trips and easy maneuvering in and out of our favorite out the way places.  We plan to transfer some solar from our old coach, and if we can figure it out, add two more batteries for a total of 4 - 6v.

Have had a great time reading past posts and appreciate the sharing of information here. 

Hope to see you down the road!
Deena & Avery



 



Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on January 24, 2012, 05:37:39 pm
Welcome Deena and Avery,
You will love your PC. We have a 2011 2551 and love it.
We plan to head your way in Sept. We will have to pick your brains about where to stay. Our plan is to leave Florida, end of Aug or beginning of Sept., on our way to Flagstaff and the Grand Canyon. After that to visit our daughter in Scottsdale and then back home. We are looking forward to the trip. We have never been west in the RV. Always Northeast and Canadian Maritimes.
Again, Welcome!!!!!!!

Judi and George


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: billy on January 24, 2012, 06:54:04 pm
 (w) (w) know you will love the cruiser. We have a 2011, 3100. Sharon drives this with no problems.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on January 24, 2012, 07:46:03 pm
Welcome newbees Deena & Avery!  We are happy you've joined our family & forum.  (balloons)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Irv on January 30, 2012, 09:47:28 pm
Susan and Irv are the new-to-us owners of a 2007, PC2350.  When we picked it up in Redmond, OR, it had less than 9000 miles on the chassis, and 6.9 hours on the generator.  Needless to say, we were excited.  We couldn't find a scratch on it...in or out.  That would be a thankyou to the previous owners.  Irv just changed the oil for the second time at 15000 miles, so we have been doing a bit of traveling.

We have had all sorts of RV's.  When we bought the PC, we were the proud owners of an Arctic Fox 5th wheel, and a Ford diesel truck.  We traded the 5th wheel in on the PC and traded for a new F-150 ecoboost.  Ah, yessss!  The art of downsizing is alive and well.  We did keep our other RV, which is an R-Pod, and the F-150 tows it to all kinds of places.  By-the-way, the ecoboost F-150 when towing the R-Pod gets about the same milage as the F-350 PC.  Now, that's interesting, 'cause that big V-10 in the PC gets about 10mpg.

We reside in Eastern Oregon where the coyotes howl, the grass is green (4 months out of the year), the snow can be up to the bottom end of an elephant, but this year is beautiful.  People come here to fish in the lakes and the Snake River, and hunt where ever they have a proper tag.  We love to travel.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: flb on January 31, 2012, 12:02:54 pm
This is the first time of using the PC Forum--so please excuse the errors I will probably make.  We are looking at ordering a PC 2350-Slide Out-with a diesel. I certainly would like to hear from owners who have experience driving and traveling in the 2350/diesel model.  We currently have plans of traveling 2 months to Alaska this summer.  I am also a avid fisherman--like taking my camper on fishing trips.  We live in Colorado--currently own a Dodge Ram with a large Lance Camper with slide out and can take it almost anywhere.  One concern I have is being able to get to lakes that are off the beaten path and would the PC 2350 handle this type of usage.  Thank you for any information that you may forward to me.

 Mountainman Fran
       


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on January 31, 2012, 04:17:30 pm
Fran,
Welcome to the Forum.

Our 1st PC was the 2350 diesel. It did not have a slide. We loved the ride and the room in the cockpit. The reason that we traded for the 2551 was the twin beds and the ease of viewing the tv--actually, we could have addressed the tv issue but could not retrofit for twin beds. So now we have the 2551 which has the amenities that we wanted. The Sprinter has a much better ride than the Ford.

Judi


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: lghjr on January 31, 2012, 09:16:44 pm
This is the first time of using the PC Forum--so please excuse the errors I will probably make.  We are looking at ordering a PC 2350-Slide Out-with a diesel. I certainly would like to hear from owners who have experience driving and traveling in the 2350/diesel model.  We currently have plans of traveling 2 months to Alaska this summer.  I am also a avid fisherman--like taking my camper on fishing trips.  We live in Colorado--currently own a Dodge Ram with a large Lance Camper with slide out and can take it almost anywhere.  One concern I have is being able to get to lakes that are off the beaten path and would the PC 2350 handle this type of usage.  Thank you for any information that you may forward to me.

 Mountainman Fran
       

If you are talking high country lakes with headwater streams off paved roads, my bet is that you would be disappointed in any MH but a 4wd conversion.  There is no way I would try to take my 2700 to say any of the Creede, Southfork, Lake City, Collegiate Peaks, etc., lakes or headwaters.  If you are familiar with them then you have a feeling for what I would not do.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Paul/Marilyn on February 07, 2012, 05:50:11 pm
Hello, Phoenix Forum members. We're Paul and Marilyn from Texas. We discovered the PC's from an ad in Highways magazine, went to the website and immediately fell in love with the Cruisers. We've been RV'rs since at least the 70's, maybe earlier. Have had three slide-in truck campers and one small class C. Right now we have a 2000 Lance 1130 camper on a 2000 3500 Dodge Ram truck, about 25' overall. We still love it but we've been looking for something shorter and the with the integrated features of the B's. We're very interested in the 2100 with slide-out. We want to thank all of you for all your input on the forum. We've read just about every message you've exchanged trying to learn all we can about the Cruisers.
   We are planning a trip to Elkhart in the spring (when the snow melts up there) to see the Cruisers first hand and to meet the people there. We're really looking forward to the trip. Thanks again for all your good information. heartshower


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Paul/Marilyn on February 09, 2012, 11:20:42 am
Hi, Fran. This is a test to see if I can post a message. We're newbies and I'm having trouble figuring out how to send messages. I've tried two other ways. Maybe this is it!
Marilyn


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Paul/Marilyn on February 09, 2012, 11:33:20 am
I finally did it. Posted it successfully! Hurrah. !:)! !:)!
   ...as I was saying...we're Lance owners (without slide-out) on a Dodge truck like you are. Hope you've enjoyed your Lance as much as we have. We've driven it all over the US and parts of Canada but decided last summer in New Mexico and Colorado (favorite places of ours) that we need a change. Found the PC in an ad, went to the web-site and fell in love with the PC. We're interested in a 2100 with slide-out. Are planning a trip to Elkhart in the spring to look at them and visit with the folks there.
   We envy your trip to Alaska. We'd love to but probably won't try that. Of course we can't advise you on going all the places you want to in the PC but the folks on this forum will be a great help there.
   Good luck


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on February 09, 2012, 12:53:59 pm
Hi Paul & Marilyn,

About model 2100.....
I wonder if the slideout PC-USA shows on their website is not accurate.  For all other models, in recent years the fridge has been included in the slideout which is very nice as it opens up the interior much better.  You might want to ask about that.

Another thought.......
I've always wondered if model 2100 on the E350 chassis would be better off with Ford's V8 engine instead of the V10, solely for improved fuel economy.  The V10 is used in the largest of gasoline powered motor homes which seems to be over-kill for such a tiny 21 foot motor home.  These days with the price of gas, fuel economy is very important.  The factory can easily order a fresh Ford E350 chassis with the V8 engine.  It appears to save roughly $1,200 in the purchase price as well.  See below.

We own a 2007 model 2350 with V10 engine.  We average 9.2 mpg when towing our Jeep Liberty and 10.2 when not towing anything.  The V10 is nice when towing, but way more than enough when not.  If you plan to tow all the time, I would stay with the stock V10, but if you tow seldomly or not at all, then I would look into the V8 engine.  If it increased your fuel economy by only 10%, that would make a big difference.  But I would hope you would get at least 15% better fuel economy, getting you very close to 12mpg when not towing.

Fords website here says that for the E350 chassis, the 6.8L-V10 engine is almost $1,200 more than the 5.4L-V8.  For the E450, the difference is greater yet.  I wonder why.
]http://bp3.ford.com/2012-Ford-E-SeriesCutaway/?branding=1&lang=en&type=comm#/Models/Style[BodyStyle:SEXRCD] (http://bp3.ford.com/2012-Ford-E-SeriesCutaway/?branding=1&lang=en&type=comm#/Models/Style[BodyStyle:SEXRCD)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TomHanlon on February 09, 2012, 03:34:47 pm
Ron,

How would the refer fit into the slide out? It is on the other side of the coach. You would have to remove the wardrobe and the bathroom sink to get it to fit. Sure one could put the wardrobe on the passengers side, but the sink is a different problem.

Also when you upgrade the engine (V8 to V10) and/or the truck (E350 to E450) you are changing more than just the engine, which one must also consider.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on February 09, 2012, 07:04:35 pm
Ron,

How would the refer fit into the slide out? It is on the other side of the coach. You would have to remove the wardrobe and the bathroom sink to get it to fit. Sure one could put the wardrobe on the passengers side, but the sink is a different problem.

Also when you upgrade the engine (V8 to V10) and/or the truck (E350 to E450) you are changing more than just the engine, which one must also consider.
Thanks for catching that Tom.  You are right about the closet being there.  I forgot about that when I was replying.  I should have stated to see if can the closet could be included in a bigger slide.  Like you say, the bathroom sink might be of concern if using the stock 2350/2551 slide.  If it doesn't work, maybe they can fab a slightly smaller slide so they can leave the sink alone.  One thing about the factory, they are up for little mods upon request, soon to offer them in the next model year.  One thing for sure, such a tiny 2100 would greatly benefit from a bigger slide out.
About the V8 versus the V10.  I think the motor home package E350 chassis may be ordered with the smaller V8, keeping everything else the same.  But maybe not.  I never tried to order one myself, but Ford's website with the "build it yourself" tool implies it can be ordered that way.  In these times with fuel economy concerns, offering such a tiny motor home with a huge slide out and smaller motor for improved fuel economy, might have it's own life in the PC lineup.  PC-USA is always doing new twists to old models, hence the birth of the 2552 for example.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Paul/Marilyn on February 10, 2012, 11:23:21 am
 :)Ron (and Tom), thanks a lot for your input on the 2100. We've got a lot of things to sort out before we make our decision and the experiences of you long-time Cruiser owners is invaluable. We do plan to tow a dinghy so we have to keep that in mind. We'll keep reading the Forum posts, and of course we can hardly wait to get up to Elkhart to see the models and talk to Stuart and the team. We've already started a list of wants and don't wants.
Paul & Marilyn


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on February 10, 2012, 12:33:51 pm
After my last reply, I was inspired to ask Kermit why the 2100 did not get a bigger slide out as the other models did.  It turns out there is good reason, consideration of the wheel well there.  Extending the slide farther back up to the bathroom will have all that extra slide weight cantelievered over one track.  It has to do with long term reliability.  So the 2100 won't be getting a bigger slide.

About the V8 versus the V10, it sure is nice to tow another vehicle with the V10, so I agree with you on ruling out the V8.

There are so many nice options and extras offered for PC's.  You'll enjoy your visit there, evaluating what is worth investing in.  But beware, you just might find yourself selecting a bigger rig.   :lol


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Barry-Sue on February 15, 2012, 10:09:30 am
Paul and Marilyn
    Welcome to the forum.  If you decide on a Phoenix Cruiser you will really like it.  We are on our second in three years.  We started with a 2350 and now have a 2551.  We use ours for extensive travel in the summer and 3-4 months living in the winter months.  We are now into our 8th week down in Florida and are finding the 2551 to be just the right size for us.  Numerous storage and very easy living in a smaller unit.  Since we tow a car we find the PC to be very easy to use to go from one site to another and then use the toad for everyday site seeing.  The 2551 is actually easier to drive than the 2350.  And we have not made any changes to it-we do plan on changing to the Bilstein shocks once we get home and get the front end aligned.  But other than that it handles like a dream!
    Not to overwelm you but we thought we would list some of our changes to the stock unit for your consideration.
1.   Fully body paint - had it and still wanted it.  Our 2350 (brown in color with cherry cabinets) looked better then new when we sold it.  We choose the Classic Umbre with cherry for the 2551.
2.   Leveling jacks - had them and loved them so ordered again.
3.   Premium Convenience package - had and kept it in the new one.
4.   Insulated Glass - had it and loved it so ordered again.
5.   Slide out - had it and loved it so ordered again.
6.   Leather captain chairs - had it and loved it so ordered again.
7.   Window treatmeants - we had all the window treatments the same in the 2350 so kept them that way for the 2551.  In other words they all look like the valence above the sofa/dinette.
8.   No carpet - didn't have it in the 2350 and didn't order it in the 2551. Very easy to wash rugs or buy new ones.
9.   No table hardward installed on floor - We use the spider legs provided by PC.
10. No coffee pot - didn't have it and didn't miss it.
11. No ladder or roof rack - never used it and like the look without.  It would fit in the garage either way. 
12.  No hooks or hangers installed in rear storage compartment - we wanted to organize it ourselves. 
13.  No mirror by stove
14.  Driver seat swivel - we had the power seat on the 2350 and never used it so we opted to have the driver seat swivel instead.  Gives us that fourth seat we need when we have visitors. 
15.  Access doors under driver side bed
16.  Adjustable shelf in cabinets
17.  No outside shower - never used it on the 2350 except to winterize it and we don't miss it on the 2551.  Why have the opening in the side wall when it isn't needed.
18.  Reversed hinges on passenger side shirt closet so to have easier access for kitchen items.
19.  Motion light on outside.
20.  Max air fan in bedroom area in place of fantastic fan.
21.  Didn't mount fire extinguisher
22.  Did not install shower head holder so we could install them per our height.
23.  Ordered larger cabinets above the winged areas.
24.  We have a driver side flip table like the passenger side table since our drivers seat swivels.
25.  Added a 12 volt plug in bathroom for any 12 volt bath items.
26.  No TV - we installed our own TV on an extendable swivel mount.  It is fantastic and gives us a great viewing angle anywhere we sit.
 


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on February 15, 2012, 11:50:40 am
We have an older 2007 2350 model.  Like Barry-Sue says, the handling of the 2350 is typically poor right from the factory.  I would imagine the 2100 would have similar handling concerns.  There are a couple factors as to why.

1) - The distance between front and rear wheels called the wheel base is too little when considering the large amount of house over-hanging behind the rear wheels.
2) - The 2100 and 2350 are built on the lighter duty E350.  The 2551 and larger PCs are built on the E450 that has a heavier duty suspension.

I would not let these comments discourage you from considering a 2100 or 2350.  Just be aware of this.  If you find the handling acceptable, then there is nothing more to do.  If it handles too poorly for comfort, then consider investing in a few suspension upgrades.

I hate to share what we had done because it scares people.  We went all-out doing everything that came recommended by our local motor home suspension shop.  Since we had the work done, our 2350 handles nice and tight, firmly planted on the road like an SUV, instead of a drunken sailer.  And the ride is not harsh either.  We love it for both comfort and safety.  My thinking is that if it prevents just one accident, it paid for itself at least 100 fold in saving the PC, the tow vehicle, us the occupants, and anyone else around us who might be involved.

Here are the details on what we had the shop do for us.

1) - Added a heavy duty rear sway bar.
       E350s made prior to 2008 did not come with any kind of rear sway bar.
2) - Replaced the front sway bar with a heavy duty bar.
      The Ford stock bar is the same one used in the light duty E150
3) - Replaced the 4 Ford shocks with Koni-RV adjustable shocks, set to the stiffest of the 3 settings
      Today I recommend Koni-FSDs, offered only through Henderson Line-Up.
      The FSD shocks are designed for class-A and Super-C motor homes.
      I understand Henderson replaces the 3/4" mounting bushing in each shock with a 5/8" to fit an E350/E450
      The stock Ford shocks are the same used on an E250 van.
4) - Replaced the front steering stabilizer with a heavy duty one
      The stock Ford one is the same used on an E150 van
5) - Added a rear Trac bar.
      This eliminates horizonal side-to-side motion of the rear end, referred to as tail wagging
      Especially benefitial when towing.
6) - A front wheel alignment
      The camber was so far out of whack that the shop used special off-set bushings to correct it
      Such bushing kits are available as this is a very common problem with many brand motor homes.

We had our local shop order and install everything which was not the cheapest way of handling this.  It cost us $3900 but worth every penny. Since the work was done in late mid 2007, we can take on hair-pin turns on scenic byways with the greatest of confidence keeping all 6 tires firmly planted on the road for good control and braking while in the turns.  The rig hardly leans in the turns.  Also on the open road when semi-trucks pass and when gusting cross winds are present, driving is still a casual one hand-on-the-wheel experience.  Driver fatique is greatly reduced which is another comfort and safety factor.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Paul/Marilyn on February 15, 2012, 12:39:23 pm
Thanks, Barry-Sue for sending your list of wants and don't wants. We'll print it and use it for helping us make decisions. Several things we hadn't thought about before, e.g. no outside shower. On the Lance I think we've used it maybe twice in the 12 years we've had it. Once on our first trip out, going to Disney World with our daughter's family (they drove their own car). We stopped somewhere on the Florida beach (beautiful!) and the kids played in the sand. Washed them off with the outside hose. Maybe used it one other time so obviously we don't really need it very badly.

The long list brings up a question. How does Cruiser come up with a cost of adding things and/or crediting things you don't want. We've wondered about that. Surely they don't just do it all out of the goodness of their heart, although their heart sounds pretty generous with help!

Thanks again. We'll probably be back to you asking other questions.
Marilyn & Paul  :)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Paul/Marilyn on February 15, 2012, 12:53:30 pm
Ron, I think we've already printed out a list of your suggestions on getting a smooth ride! They all sound helpful. Thanks very much. Think we'll go ahead and get our new Cruiser (assuming all goes well!) and then decide which additions/corrections to make, realizing we'll probably need to make some. Several posts seem to indicate we will.

More than likely we'll stick with the 2100. The older we get the less we want to drive around anything much larger...but you never know. When we see the others we may get hooked.

We've printed all the photos of your changes and love them. Of course that doesn't mean we'll do them since we're not the carpenter you are. Very nice work. Oh, yes, one question. What are the dimensions of the cabinets next to the TV. We're interested in carrying a small printer and wanted to know if the one we're looking at will fit there.
Thanks again,
Marilyn & Paul  :)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on February 15, 2012, 12:57:34 pm
We too have the Thermal Pane Windows.  They are a noticable contribution in comfort for both temperature and reducing outside noises.

About the roof rack and ladder, I asked they give them to me in parts, not mounted to the PC.  5 years later and I am still very happy with that decision.  The ladder and rack are stored at home just in case I ever change my mind.  I project I may sell them to another PC owner one day, after their old ladder weathered badly and they can't stand looking at it any longer.  The rack and ladder add numerous screw holes in the roof and rear wall with caulk to seal them....let's just say, it ain't pretty.  But other PC owners love them.  Barry-Sue and us are in the minority.

One thing I regret getting with ours, is the roof-top Winegard antenna.  It worked fine for the first year.  But after analog signaling was terminated throughout the country, we have never been successful in utilizing it.  Now it just sits up top with lots of caulk and holes in our B+ areo cap.  :'(

I too installed our own TV's front and back, simply to save money and get bigger TV's as well.  Back in 2007 the front TV from PC-USA was 20", I installed a 26".  Our bedroom TV is a 19" widescreen with integrated DVD player.  The savings was huge and the TVs were better.  But I admit that it took much research to get a TV that fit and worked right, and the front installation was a challenge for me.  It's not a project for everyone.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on February 15, 2012, 01:06:49 pm
What are the dimensions of the cabinets next to the TV. We're interested in carrying a small printer and wanted to know if the one we're looking at will fit there.
They are odd shaped cabinets.  The back wall is not parallel to the front, and curves inward.  I also suspect the interior space varies slightly from one rig to another.  I advise not to buy anything until after your rig is in your possesion.  Drive your PC to the store and ask the store clerk if you can take the display printer to your rig to see if it fits right.  They are usually fine with that when leaving your driver's license at the customer service counter.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Barry-Sue on February 15, 2012, 03:13:11 pm
Paul and Marilyn,

We agree with you - do not make any changes to your ride until you drive it.  On our 2350 we only changed the shocks and added a rear trac bar and the drivability was beautiful.  Don't forget, Ford made some changes from the 2007 to 2008 model year and for us the 2008 drove very well except for the rear tracking.  We spent considerably less than Ron and had a very good ride.  The new owner thinks it drives great as well.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on February 15, 2012, 03:38:13 pm
Yes Barry-Sue.  Good that you emphasised the 2008-2012 E350 suspension was improved over the 2007 E350.  I would not jump into any kind of action with the suspension until after you have driven a few hundred miles in each direction for a weekend get-away.  Experience how your rig handles under various conditions.

The only "Absolute" I strongly advise to do after the first 1000 miles, but not before the 2000 mile mark, is getting a front wheel alignment.  Have it loaded just as you would when pulling away from your house, when leaving for a trip.  Fill the gas tank, fill up the fresh water tank, have non-perishable drinks in the fridge like bottled water, pots & pans and all other stuff in-place, and be sure the waste tanks are empty.  You want the rig's load distributed as it would be when on the open road because the load and how it is distributed affects the wheel alignment.  If you want improved accuracy on load simulation, stack weights just behind the driver and passenger seats to simulate two people sitting in them.   I sort-of did that with a weight set I had.  I did not have enough weight but placed what I had available just behind those two seats.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Frank on February 15, 2012, 04:33:52 pm
We also opted out of ladder, roof rack & outside shower when ordering our new 2551.
Would like to have had swivel drivers chair, however my under 5' bride requiers the 6 way.
In any event, Having camped over 60 years in all styles of RVs, you will enjoy the unit
as we have in order to have our second PC.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on February 15, 2012, 05:42:50 pm
Would like to have had swivel drivers chair, however my under 5' bride requiers the 6 way.
I am a lot taller than my wife (as seen in my signature picture) so our leg lengths are quite different.  This means the driver seat goes to extreme positions to accomodate.  The 6-way power seat meets the need nicely.  I also appreciate how I can shift my weight while driving for extended periods, using the tilt and height adjustment.  So for us, the 6-way power seat is essential.

About the outside shower, admittedly we too don't use it a lot, but when we do, it really is nice.  Sometimes after a morning hike, a quick hair shampoo or foot wash is welcoming, especially in hot climates.  We could surely live without an outside shower, but would likely miss it because we have one today.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on February 16, 2012, 09:54:54 am
Paul/Marlyn, Did you know the factory has a used model 2100 for sale right now on ebay? The main differences between that on and a new one are the follow.

- Single battery without inverter
  New one has 2 batteries and whole house inverter
- Old heavy and small screen CRT TV
- Rear outside wall has corner seam work and no rear storage compartment, and spare tire is not integrated
- Conventional screen door
- Looks to be rear heavy, maybe needing helper springs to level it out
- Not a flush mounted stove and sink with covers.

Their price of $30,000 is negotiable.  If money was tight, having to consider a used one, I would not pay his asking price.  But I would discuss it.  One thing for sure is that I would require they do something to level it out, helper springs or air bags, or something.  And have them include in the deal some type of awning, and replace the TV and associated cabinetry with the 26" widescreen and the current cabinets around it.  They have been known to do requests on used models.

Here it is on ebay right now:  http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110826229263&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110826229263&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TomHanlon on February 16, 2012, 11:19:12 am
"Their price of $30,000 is negotiable.  If money was tight, having to consider a used one, I would not pay his asking price.  But I would discuss it.  One thing for sure is that I would require they do something to level it out, helper springs or air bags, or something.  And have them include in the deal some type of awning, and replace the TV and associated cabinetry with the 26" widescreen and the current cabinets around it.  They have been known to do requests on used models.
"

Ron,
If I was Stuart I would be sending you hate mail for posting things like this on their web site. What goes on between Phoenix and a buyer should be between them and not you. If the buyer wants to have things changed, it should be up to them, not you. What a buyer pays for a unit is between them and Phoenix, not you.  I know you are only trying to help, but it is not your business so you should stay out of it.  It is OK to point out the availability of a unit but you should stop there. This is just my thinking and has nothing to do with Phoenix USA.
Tom


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Paul/Marilyn on February 16, 2012, 12:28:44 pm
Thanks for the heads-up on the 2100 but think we'll wait and look at getting a new one. The amenities on the new ones are just too tempting to pass up! :-D


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on February 16, 2012, 12:57:27 pm
If I was Stuart I would be sending you hate mail for posting things like this on their web site. What goes on between Phoenix and a buyer should be between them and not you. If the buyer wants to have things changed, it should be up to them, not you. What a buyer pays for a unit is between them and Phoenix, not you.  I know you are only trying to help, but it is not your business so you should stay out of it.  It is OK to point out the availability of a unit but you should stop there. This is just my thinking and has nothing to do with Phoenix USA. Tom
I do get into trouble by sharing my thoughts and ideas, speaking so freely all the time.  That is why I would make a terrible politician.  Your point is well noted.  I will try to be better in the future.

I was going to share this with them off-line, but they have their email hidden, so I shared it here.  Still not a good excuse.  I will try harder to be a good boy.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: DownBy TheRiver on February 25, 2012, 01:26:42 am
I’ve liked all of Ron’s commentary to Paul & Marilyn regarding their pending purchase.  We’re odd ducks sometimes, as it would appear we’re both into analyzing chassis specs and their implications.  I’m hopelessly “spec” oriented.  And by looking at them, you can even further custom tailor your chassis to your needs, provided you want to spend the time.  My favorite “what-if” is in specifying a limited-slip rear differential.

Here is the most recent Ford motorhome-chassis-specific data sheet:

https://www.fleet.ford.com/showroom/specialty_vehicles/Class_C_Chassis_brochure_LoRes.pdf

This one is more accurate for our needs, as it is specific to MOTORHOME cut-aways, while the general site is for COMMERCIAL cutaways only.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: DownBy TheRiver on February 25, 2012, 01:27:21 am
Tom is not incorrect in advancing the idea that in specifying the 5.4 litre V8, one might be getting “lesser” capacities or capabilities elsewhere.  And it would appear as regards the commercial chassis, that would be so.  But other than for towing purposes, are likely not so with the motorhome chassis otherwise.

We already know that PC (and most other manufacturers) modify stock chassis lengths.  And if you look to the motorhome chassis spec sheets, you’ll divine that in order to get the max GVWR rating and fuel tank capacity for all E350-based chassis models, whatever the final wheelbase; PC likely orders the longer chassis and cuts them down.  It would seem alternator ratings would likely be the same for a motorhome chassis across the entire line, and that the 55-gallon tank comes standard on that longer chassis as well.

On the other hand, the 2100 would fit on a standard Ford Chassis without modification from a longer chassis.  But if that were so, AND with the 5.4 specifically, the GVWR would be less than as advertised by PC, as well as lesser standard fuel capacity per Ford vs. PC specs.  But that could be made up by special-order GVWR specs by PC, as well as an optional fuel tank size.  It’s tricky and inscrutable.

In the end, just go with PC.  While it would seem you could save $1,200, some of that savings could be eaten up with chassis modification and option costs on the downside.  A smaller motor, forced to work harder, may only end up matching V10 fuel economy anyway.  And there are likely myriad other considerations for PC in manufacturing a house on a V8 vs. a V10 chassis on a lot of levels.  I’d say stick with the “standard” V10 PC chassis and be done with it.  Every change, while there may be a corresponding savings on the front end, could have additional costs on the back end.



Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: DownBy TheRiver on February 25, 2012, 01:28:09 am
As Ron pointed out, both his 2350 & the 2100 have a lot more ass-end hanging out over the rear axle.  If you like the 2100, and you want to alleviate this issue, maybe you might consider the 2400?  The 2400 has a more favorable wheelbase ratio, plus you gain twice as much wardrobe, additional galley counter space and pantry storage, as well as a larger bed.  You might also find the bathroom to be a bit more roomy when “on the throne” - speaking as a larger gentleman myself.

And Ron – as for different V10 power ratings, there is a difference in tune and output between the E-series cutaway and the F53(?) A-class motorhome chassis.  While there may be differences in E-cutaways of commercial vs motorhome chassis, the motorhome chassis power ratings appear to be identical across the board, other than for cutaways vs. class A’s.

Outside “shower”?  I think I’d retain it.  First, when used as a shower outdoors, you can delay the inevitable emptying of gray water tanks.  Second, you retain the ability to provide hot water outside the home for ANY other use.  Not to mention resale value.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: DownBy TheRiver on February 25, 2012, 01:28:44 am
I don’t agree with any criticism of free speech and discussion.  At all.

Ron only points out OBVIOUS differences between older and newer models.  They’re entirely obvious for anyone shopping around on the web with a critical eye, and would be ABSOLUTELY obvious to Paul & Marilyn, who’ve stated they plan to drop in and visit in person.  And in so doing, will see so for themselves anyway.  So what’s the “harm”?  I don’t see it.

Meanwhile, Ron points out an available unit.  And if they’re considering the most cost-effective unit they possibly can, again – what’s the harm?  Between used and new, there’s a $50k price differential here, which is HUGE.  Such differential as is offset by superior attributes from newer units of the same floorplan.  Unless it’s being suggested here that either Paul & Marilyn are too dull to see the differences between an older and newer model?  Or unless it’s being suggested here that Stewart will fail to point same out to Paul & Marilyn just to make a sale over securing a valued lifetime customer for PC?

And as for an opinion on pricing?  ANY savvy shopper of ANY product – when haggling is permissible - will NEVER pay full asking price.  All I see Ron doing is trying to educate.  And if educating is dangerous…….?


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: DownBy TheRiver on February 25, 2012, 01:29:19 am
That’s why I continue to be impressed with this Forum.  Such discussion of value and features here no doubt also informs PC as regards pricing sensitivity, floor plan desirability and option trends that will only enhance their business volume and relevance overall.

Meanwhile, Paul & Marilyn, PC informs us on the general website, that a new 2100 is currently being built, and that you should call for details on this very unit.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: aimee on March 06, 2012, 11:30:34 pm
I haven't meandered in here for a good long while for various reasons, but I thought I'd pop in and say  (w) to all the new members. I'll try to pop in more often to say hello.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Paul/Marilyn on March 07, 2012, 08:52:39 pm
Thanks for the welcome. We're enjoying, and learning a lot, from the forum. Hope your ankle is healing (not quickly enough I know!).
Marilyn & Paul   tymote


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: aimee on March 08, 2012, 03:30:35 pm
 tymote much.  See you around!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: AJ on March 09, 2012, 09:31:07 pm
We have very bad bathroom odors from the toilet, shower room with empty tanks, or partly filled tanks, while moving.

We keep water in the toilet and put a one quart ziplock bag filled with water over the shower drain, but still have the odor while moving.

Any ideas?





Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: billy on March 09, 2012, 10:31:06 pm
 Is your tank completely empty? The next thing would be the toilet gasket. How old is your rig? You might need to replace the rubber gasket, not hard. Worst case scenario one of your vent tubes could be below water level, but probably most likely NOT. There will be other suggestions, one might be an after market devise goes on vent pipe to help draw out oders. I have never used one. Good luck


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: lghjr on March 10, 2012, 11:32:58 am
We have very bad bathroom odors from the toilet, shower room with empty tanks, or partly filled tanks, while moving.

We keep water in the toilet and put a one quart ziplock bag filled with water over the shower drain, but still have the odor while moving.

Any ideas?

I would suspicion the vent in the bath is drawing in odors from the vent line, that on my unit is about 18" in front of the vent.  If the vent is not closed securely it tends to raise some and more so depending on the wind direction going down the road. The skylite dome probably helps in that regard too, creating flow paths to the vent cover as you travel.

Aimee these three posts probably need to be moved to a new topic.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on March 10, 2012, 12:04:37 pm
As lghjr alluded to, do you travel with the bathroom window or roof vent open a crack?  The sewer gas going out the roof vent might be whipping around, getting sucked into the bathroom through an opening.  It is a common problem with RVs in general.  People make the mistake of keeping something open to let in fresh air when they should be locking down the room.  If you normally leave something open when in transit, close it all up and see if your problem goes away.  Also make sure your shower and sink traps are full of water.

The instinct is to open something when the opposite should be practiced.  We learned that ourselves.  Yes the bath gets nice and hot too, but at least it doesn't stink of sewer gas.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: bigbadjc on March 10, 2012, 02:12:07 pm
I have louvered rain covers over all my vents so I can safely leave the vents open somewhat while travelling down the road.  My recollection is that the ceiling vents all have the open portion to the rear as do the rain covers.  This mean the airflow over the top is forced to take a longer path over the vents which increases its speed.  We all know from high school physics that Bernoulli's Principle indicates that causes a lower pressure in that airstream (why an airplane wing has lift).  That should result in drawing air out of the camper, not sucking it into the camper.  We've never really had any problems from bad odors in the bathroom as long as we are very careful about keeping deodorant in the tank and making sure we have a water seal in the commode.

Jerry


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TomHanlon on March 10, 2012, 07:28:52 pm
Jerry you are 100% correct but if you are sucking the air out of the motorhome where is the air coming from. If you have the windows closed and do not have enough water in all the P-traps and toilet the air might be getting sucked out of the holding tanks. Most of us old timers know to make sure we have enough water there but a newbie might not. So put more water in the P-traps or open a window up front.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: lghjr on March 10, 2012, 11:18:06 pm
I have louvered rain covers over all my vents so I can safely leave the vents open somewhat while travelling down the road.  My recollection is that the ceiling vents all have the open portion to the rear as do the rain covers.  This mean the airflow over the top is forced to take a longer path over the vents which increases its speed.  We all know from high school physics that Bernoulli's Principle indicates that causes a lower pressure in that airstream (why an airplane wing has lift).  That should result in drawing air out of the camper, not sucking it into the camper.  We've never really had any problems from bad odors in the bathroom as long as we are very careful about keeping deodorant in the tank and making sure we have a water seal in the commode.

Jerry

Being and old pilot myself, I would guess that traveling down the road the pressure at the vent is higher than anywhere inside the RV.  I would also guess that is why my hand "flys" when I stick it out the window at 60 mph. And why the vent(s) will vibrate and open unassisted from time to time.  As I remember it that is why the static port goes on the outside of the plane too.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Denny & Barb on March 23, 2012, 10:49:03 am
Hi all, and yep am new to this forum.  Don't have a PC yet, but am looking for a late model 2350 on the Sprinter chassis. Would appreciate if anyone know of any available.   Have a Rialta now, and love the small size, but think it is time to upgrade a bit. This looks to be a great forum.

Have a great day,
Denny


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: lmichael on March 23, 2012, 10:03:25 pm
There's a new 2350 Sprinter that I saw at the Good Sam Rally in Phoenix that is really nice, and if you call Stuart (he's there) tomorrow (Saturday)--he will treat you fairly--and you'll have a new pc at a reasonable price.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: JimWert on April 04, 2012, 04:59:00 pm
 hithere. We have been RVing for a long time starting with a pick-up camper in 1968.  Then 2 different pop-ups, then 2 different class A motor homes.  Our current is a 2006 38' Adventurer.  We are ready to downsize.  In the current FMCA magazine we read about the Phoenix Cruiser and was impressed with the model 2910T.  The website is very impressive .  We full-timed for 6 years and really enjoyed the traveling.  We volunteered at the Escapee's Care Center 3 times. That was fun and we had a very busy schedule. If I can get a decent trade-in we will have a new Phoenix Cruiser. I have read most of the posts as a guest and have learned a lot of good stuff.







Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Paul/Marilyn on April 04, 2012, 07:50:04 pm
Welcome from another couple of Cruiser want-to-be's. We're also downsizing but from a 25 ft. Lance Camper/Dodge truck rig to a 2100, which we hope to put in the works in Elkhart next month. We've been following this Forum for quite a while now and as you've seen the members are wonderful and very helpful.
Have fun!
Paul & Marilyn  meetya


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on April 04, 2012, 08:10:12 pm
Jim,
Welcome to the Forum--We have had two PC's, a 2010 2350 Sprinter and a 2011 2551. The 2910 is a very nice unit. If you decide to procede, you will not be disappointed with the product or Phoenix USA. All, from Kermit (the owner) to Stuart as well as the folks that build the motorhomes are super to work with.

Judi and George


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on April 05, 2012, 10:35:09 am
JimWert and Paul/Marilyn,

Just make sure if you special order any model, first ping current owners.  Some of us wished we made small special requests that can only be considered during the construction of the unit.  Once built, it's too late.  None are detrimental......just striving for perfection that is unique to each owner.

The factory is "Extremely" good about special requests that do not require re-engineering, without gouging you on the price.  I am often surprised that even when some re-engineering is involved, they don't "stiff you", most often done at cost.  They are really great to work with.....this cannot be emphasised enough.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Paul/Marilyn on April 05, 2012, 05:38:55 pm
Ron, thanks for the tip (and all the other tips we've read that you've already shared, they're great!). We already have a list of wants and don't wants based on what we've read in the Forum, and we've read just about every post on the Forum going back to the beginning. We've considered the 2100 Stuart has available now but it has several things we're not interested in so we're going to stick to our plan of going up for a visit to Elkhart and if we still like what we see, order one with the features we want (unless Stuart makes an offer on the existing one we can't refuse  roflol ).
Thanks again,
Paul & Marilyn


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Denny & Barb on April 06, 2012, 09:18:54 pm
This is a great forum as since I have joined, (little over 2 wks),  I have used this forum to help me decide on a unit for PC to build for me. And today, it certainly was a "Good Friday", as Stuart and I came up with a package deal that was good for the both of us.  I am getting a 2350 that I designed "green" and he is getting my beloved Rialta.  PC is a good company to do business with as you can "roll your own". Design a coach that you want.  Mine is considered a "green" design as it has no AC, Gen but has TWO battery boxes to store 4 6volt golf cart batteries.  (My wife and I do mostly dry camping, and hate generators, so I will add 340 watts of solar panels on the roof when I get it, and that will take care of our power needs.)  We are also adding our own 12v 24" TV and no need for microwave oven. (12v TV eliminates the need to run the inverter, which isn't all that efficient).

Again... so far... am very pleased with the cooperation I have gotton from  Stuart at PC.

Denny (soon to have a 2012 2350 Ford)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: billy on April 07, 2012, 11:15:52 am
Great to hear Denny. We are all sure you will love the PC,      73's billy


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Gary on April 29, 2012, 10:47:54 pm
Hello my wife and I are new to the site and for her rv's, we are looking for one to see the grandkids in Fla. sometime. It has been years since I have been in one, ( the '60's) and my dad built it out of a old chevy van.
By what I have seen so far PC's are at the top of the list with what is standard on them, and by what I have read on here there is just a few things we would like to change. We would like a 2551 but with a queen bed in the back and the bathroom split where the two beds are now and maybe a in motion sat tv dish. We are both disabled, her with 2 heart attacks, and I hurt my back in the Army and am rated at 70% from the VA.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on April 29, 2012, 11:18:39 pm
Hi Gary,

I think I am right there with you on that idea.  If it would fit in my garage, I would love a rear walk-around queen bed oriented front/rear that is not in a slide-out.  The closest model to that is no longer offered.  It was called model 2950 which had rear twin beds.  It seems it wouldn't take much to make a rear queen from that model when extending it to the length of the largest PC offered today.

The factory will build upon request as long as it is in the plan to also offer the model to the general public.  It never hurts to ask Kermit the owner.  He just might go for it given he just discontinued the 2950 rear twin last year due to unpopularity.

Ron


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Barry-Sue on April 30, 2012, 07:33:50 am
Welcome Gary,

     PC does have alot to offer.  If I were you, I would list out all my changes, even draw up an interior design and submit it to Stuart or Kermit and they will let you know what they can do.  Make sure you include the maximum length that you would like, number of slides, and any other special needs that you may have. 

     We use ours in FL in the winter time and it is wonderful.  It is a great way to travel.  If you get a chance to visit the factory or see some PCs at an RV show that is also very helpful.

Sue


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on April 30, 2012, 08:00:30 am
Another welcome!
After reading your initial post, it seems to me that the 2910 with the 2 slides has everything that you want. Queen bed, split bath. PC will customize but what you must realize is that some ideas that we have cannot be built due to weight etc. We have a 2551. We wanted a 2910/2950-rear just like our 2551 with the bath in the rear and twin beds but the front area of a 2910. For us that would have been the ultimate PC. We were ready to order one. Kermit called and said that it could not be built due to the length/space(probably engineering issues) so there we were! Disappointed but feeling good that the owner to PC got involved.

It doesn't hurt to run your ideas through either Stuart or Kermit.

Judi



Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Barry-Sue on April 30, 2012, 08:55:29 am
Gary;

Welcome.

We have a 2551 and absolutely love the floor plan and the room that it provides especially in the bathroom.   Don't dismiss the twin bed configuration.  It offers some advantages such as ease of access to overhead storage, making the bed in the morning, changing sheets and the all important nightly trip to the spacious  rear bath.

Barry


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Gary on May 01, 2012, 12:16:24 am
Thanks for all the welcomes,  The main reason we want a queen bed is because the DW says she can't sleep right without me in bed next to her. I think where we live and would have the PC, anything bigger than a 2551,2552 wouldn't fit on our lot/diveway.  Right now we are waitting on the VA, if you know anything about them it's like being back in the Army all over again, hurry up and wait, after over 20 years I'm used to it but DW isn't.



Gary


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: pyrthkr on May 02, 2012, 10:18:19 am
Hey everyone - tip your hats to another new member, my father-in-law Ellis and his beautiful bride are the proud new owners of a 2012 PC model 3100.  They downsized from their 1997 Safari and will be joining us on our trip to PEI starting this weekend (thanks for the recommendations Judy!).  He's a tinkerer and is currently installing a water filter (thanks for the plumbing parts Stuart!) under the kitchen counter area so I'll try and have him post results and pictures.

pyrthkr


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on May 02, 2012, 10:48:44 am
Our hat is tipped to Ellis. Welcome to the Forum and enjoy your trip to PEI! Oh yeah, have some mussels and think of me--

Judi


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Barry-Sue on May 05, 2012, 08:28:34 am
Ellis,

    Welcome to the group.  Can't wait to see the pics of the water filter.

Sue


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Frank on May 05, 2012, 01:59:39 pm
Thanks for all the help Aimee & Barry. Got the photo on OK, but
just a mite small and you can't see my good looken bride of 63
years. I'll see if I can blow it up a little in my spare time!
Frank


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on May 05, 2012, 02:11:19 pm
.....and you can't see my good looken bride of 63 years......
Frank,

I love it.  (cheer)  Get that picture bigger.

We are far behind you coming up on 34 years this summer.

Congratulations on your PC too.

Ron

PS to Aimee....It would be cool if we could place some pictures of ourselves and our rigs for others to review in our profiles, but surely not critical at all.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Seesan on June 07, 2012, 12:05:53 pm
Welcome to Phoenix USA RV's Discussion Board. We think you'll find this is a nice place to hang out. Why don't you start off with a little introduction and tell us a bit about yourself?

My wife and I have been RVing only since 1995. Our first rig was a popUp trailer. Since then owned couple of different RVs like 32' Chatteau, 22' Tyoga. Sold them both and last week bought a 23' 1999 Phoenix Cruiser. The same day we started driving from Springfield, W. Virginia, ended at our home at Juneau, Alaska where we have been living for the past 34 years. Yes thirty-four years!,

We plan to take anothe trip in November, to Winter out in Las Vegas for three months there.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Paul/Marilyn on June 08, 2012, 11:17:36 am
  hithere Welcome from some "soon-to-be" Cruiser owners to the Forum. We'll be picking up our new 2100 (hopefully) in about a month in Elkhart. You'll find the folks on this Forum extremely helpful. Just ask, and they answer! We've been to Alaska twice, once for just a cruise and once for a land-tour/cruise. We loved it but weren't able to spend enough time there.
Marilyn & Paul


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Buddy and Beverly on June 08, 2012, 07:48:30 pm
Hello,

We are a senior couple (married 49 yrs. if we live until the 15th).  We sold our Class A in March and wish to downsize.  We have been Rving many years--pop-up, Airstream trailer, two Lazy Daze class C's, three diesel pushers, and the last a Class A gas rig.  We are ready to go back to the smaller units.  We visited the Phoenix Cruiser plant in May and like them.  At the moment, we are hoping to buy a clean, used rig.  My question--if one buys a pre- 2010 model (I understand that was the year for the bigger slide with the refrig. in it), can you have the sofa (such as tri-fold or air bed) changed out for one of the new recliner/bed/type sofas?  I wondered if the dimensions would permit it.  If so, does anyone know the cost for this?

Another question--Has anyone slept on the new sofas?  If so, comments would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Beverly and Buddy


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Barry-Sue on June 09, 2012, 07:19:10 am
Beverly and Buddy

Best bet is to call the factory.  They will be able to provide all the information you need.

Barry


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Frank on June 10, 2012, 02:41:48 pm
Welcome Buudy & Bev.
As another senior,  63 1/2 years married, and camping most of them,
welcome to PC.  We also did all from pop-up to class A to C including a school bus
in between. We enjoyed our first 2551 so much that we ordered a corbon
copy this year.
If you check back over the forum, you will find comments on all of the various
 beds. As we only use the twins, we opted for the reclining chairs
.Kermit will work with you to do most any arraingment.
Happy hunting!

Frank


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Buddy and Beverly on June 10, 2012, 08:13:48 pm
Thanks for the welcome.  I will check with the factory about my questions.  We did meet with Stuart, and he showed us some units.  I just hated to bother him if some of you knew the answer to the questions. 

Thanks again.
Beverly and Buddy


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Anne and Bob on June 12, 2012, 10:43:56 am
We ordered our new 2013 Phoenix Cruiser 2551 last month and we are really excited.  We have never seen one in person but after six months of internet looking we think that we have made the right decision.
 
Five years ago we sold our 38' Monaco Dynasty Diesel Pusher.  Not wanting to be RVless we bought a 20' PleasureWay Ford Excel TD which has the two beds in the rear.  Great unit with a Ford 350 Triton V-10 motor.  It is great for travelling from Point A to B but the refrigerator is too small (no ice for my scotch if I want to keep the rest of the stuff frozen).  We have never had a shower in the rig since it reminds us of our old sailboat shower. Difficult. And when one person goes to bed early and the other stays up 3 hours later and the TV is right over his bunk.  Now you have the picture.  So we bought a PC 2551.  It is like someone watered our PleasureWay and it grew 6 feet.
 
We looked at a LOT of rigs and they were either too tall or wide body or had a corner bed.  We almost ordered the PC with the corner bed but when I said "Who gets to sleep on the outside?" since we both get up in the middle of the night we quickly decided on the 2551.  We watched videos and looked at pictures and scratched Stuart's brain and think we have made the right decision.  Even ordered the window covers. Of course it will have HWH hydraulic levellers.  We have  had the leveling blocks to go under the low wheel and what a pain (in the rain usually) and then remembered our Dynasty and how easy it was to level.
 
We live in the Pacific Northwest and Arizona so we ordered the thermal windows.  Can't wait to go drycamping in the desert again in comfort.  It has been fun reading about everyone's adventures.  We are having our rig delivered so won't get to see the factory but are still excited.

Just sold our Pleasure Way yesterday.  Sold it for what Stuart said we would get.  Yeah Stuart!!  Now we are boat-less and RV-less.  Hurry Hurry.

Anne & Bob


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: mciai2000 on June 12, 2012, 08:08:31 pm
 2o2   .  Welcome.  I am sure you have made a great decision.

David


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on June 14, 2012, 01:41:04 pm
Welcome to the Forum!! You made the right decision. We went from a 22'B, 23' PC on the Sprinter chassis to a 2551. We just got home (from Elkhart) with our 2013 PC 2910. We love it!!!

You will love the 2551! Now the fun begins*************

Judi and George


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Frank on June 14, 2012, 03:59:19 pm
B&B---
You sound like a carbon copy of Dee & I. We also went from a class A to a Pleasureway
Which we enjoyed tremendusly but with the same problem, she kept taking out the ice
for food. Couldn't handle both.
You will enjoy your Pc as much as we have. We just took delivery of our second 2551
with a full size refer, but now with the levelers. Blocking wheels got just too old!
Best traveling!
Frank


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Frank on June 14, 2012, 04:03:32 pm
Sorry, my post was meant for Anne & Bob.
Frank


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Anne and Bob on June 14, 2012, 09:45:15 pm
Thanks everyone.  We are sure excited to see our new rig.  Especially since we have never seen a PC.  We are taking our little Norcold freezer with us this fall filled with fish, crab and oysters.  Seafood in Arizona is not great.  We can get fresh sockeye pretty cheap, vacuum pack it and freeze for later eating.  I had thought of putting the freezer in that drawer on the passenger side.  It would fit but would need a dc outlet and a vent.  Suppose if we were going to carry it all the time we could get the factory to install an outlet back there and some kind of vent under the bed.  Thanks to G. Garrett who measured the drawer space for me and also the space behind the drivers seat.  Bob has decided we can just set it behind the seat since there is ample room between the slide when it is in and the back of the chair.  I'll just put a potted plant on it or something.  I am one of those "everything in its place" people and the middle of the living area is not the place for a freezer but it is only for our trip south (and north).

We ordered the thermal windows after a desert drycamp experience in October where it was 90 degrees outside and 120 degrees inside the Pleasure Way.  Our generator would not handle the Air Conditioner.  Needed a tuneup.  We had never had a problem in our Dynasty with the heat because it was well insulated.

I am learning all about the inverter reading all the messages.  Will probably run it on manual like we did on our boat.

Thanks again everyone.

Anne & Bob


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on June 15, 2012, 08:21:44 am
Forget going to AZ with all that good seafood. Come to Florida!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Anne and Bob on June 15, 2012, 11:10:24 pm

i always thought that Florida had lots of seafood.  Not like Port Townsend though.  We are surrounded by water and the local fish store has fresh Black Cod, Sockeye salmon, live crab and oysters and clams.  I will have to pack carefully.  The oysters freeze quite well for fried oysters or oyster stew but they don't taste good raw after they have been frozen.  You must have gulf shrimp?  We sold our boat (45' Puget Trawler) last spring so we need our PC like yesterday.  Used to catch our own fish etc.  Now relegated to the fish store which is better than Arizona. 

Do you know what kind of Inverter they are putting on the 2551?  It's not mentioned anywhere, just that it is an 1800 watt.  We had a 2000 Trace Inverter on the boat and we left it off unless we wanted to use AC for something.  That way it didn't drain the batteries.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on June 16, 2012, 06:31:11 am
The inverter is a Xantrex. We found that it was very noisy at night. I am a light sleeper and the unit is under the passenger side bed. To solve that problem of the fan coming on and off all night, George installed an on/off switch that we turn off at night. That was done in the 2551 which we just traded in on the 2910 with one slide and twin beds. That is a project to come. Even though the inverter in the 2910 is under the fridge, it is still noisy.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on June 16, 2012, 08:49:04 am
The older 2000 watt Tripp-Lite we have can be just as noisey with the fan turning on and off.  And the floorplan of our 2350, the LEDs on it along with the control panel like to flash which adds to the sleep interruption.  Like you, we turn the inverter off at night.  The Tripp-Lite has an on/off switch on it.  Actually it's a 3 position switch.
- off
- auto invert
- line charge only

Two of the 3 positions duplicate the control panel.  Too bad the control panel didn't include the "Off" position.  That would have been perfect.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Anne and Bob on June 16, 2012, 09:35:54 am
I am hearing that the inverter is noisy even when it is not on charge only mode.  Sounds like I need to have an on/off switch installed unless there is another way to do it on the Xantrex.  We have always had a converter on our motorhomes and our boat inverter just turned off or on.  Lots of new stuff to learn.  Thanks.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: GregC on June 30, 2012, 01:01:12 pm
Hello to all!  We just returned a couple of weeks ago from Elkhart after picking up our "new to us"  2008 Cruisers 2551.  Been RV owners for four years with a Pleasure-Way Excel after boating for about 10 years, now moving up to the Phoenix 2551.  We looked at a lot of Class B's, B+'s, and C's before realizing that the Phoenix was the ideal size coupled with the quality that is top among the competition.  Although we had never actually seen one in person when we finally made the decision, the minute we stepped inside this one, we knew our choice was right on!  Looking forward to reading and learning from all you experienced owners and possibly one day soon making it to an owners group outing.   


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on June 30, 2012, 01:13:55 pm
Welcome to the Forum. We can guarantee that you will love your 2551. You will find tons of info on this forum. Have a questions, just ask and you will be helped out quickly.

Congrats on your 2551! y-- y-- y--

Judi and George


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: GregC on June 30, 2012, 01:21:51 pm
Thanks for the welcome.  I have already learned a lot just reading the forum topics before we joined.  One thing I'm still trying to figure out is how to make the backup camera monitor default to "camera 1" when it powers up.  It now comes on with "camera 2"  then I have to cycle through to 3 and then finally to 1 before the picture shows.  If any one has a solution I would appreciate it!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: popsdixon on June 30, 2012, 01:39:15 pm
My wife and I currently own a 37 foot Tiffin Class A motorhome. It has been great, but the time has come for us to downsize. I have been looking at PCs on the website, but would like to see one in person. I live in Texas near Dallas and would love to see a 2552 ( or any model ) to see if the quality in workmanship is as good as the pictures. I don't mind driving to Indiana, but if there is anyone out there who lives close by that would let us look at your PC, I would love to see it!!

Thanks,
James Dixon


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: RichardP on June 30, 2012, 07:02:31 pm
Hello James.  We just bought a 3100 at the Louisville Rally and drove it to our home in Tyler.  I know that is 90 miles away, but if you are out and about, we would be happy to show ours to you.  We have family in Arlington, and if we take it over there for a night or two, we can make arrangements to meet you at Treetops RV there.

We sold our Newmar Ventana 39' DP a few months ago and did a lot of looking before choosing this one.  Like you, we didn't want to buy one sight unseen.  The Rally gave us the opportunity to make up our mind.

Let me know if we can get together.

Richard


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: davec1000 on July 01, 2012, 02:23:13 pm
Hello Everyone,
My name is Dave, my wife is Peg and we just came  back from Albuquerque to look at a 2551.  We're interested in a 2350 but decided to look at the 2551 to evaluate the quality of build.  I'm happy to say we were pleased with what we saw.  We've gone back and forth, looking at many As, Bs, and Cs.  We've gone from thinking 24 feet to 35 feet back to 24.  The floor plan of the 2350 ticks all of our boxes, but we have questions which I hope other PC owners can answer.

The main question is gas or diesel?  I know there are many variables, and that it depends partly on how many miles we plan on driving.  What I'd like to get a handle on is the TCO (total cost of ownership).  The MB is $12k more upfront, but what is the depreciation like compared to the Ford?  I've heard that the MB is very expensive to have worked on, does anyone have any figures on routine maintenance?  I've also heard it can be difficult to get the MB worked on, whereas there is a Ford dealer on almost every corner. 

Fuel mileage is better with the diesel, but whether it is better enough given all the above is what I'm trying to work out.  I'm told the Ford get ~10 mpg while the diesel can get ~18 mpg and up.  I love the MB cab and the one I have driven (Leisure Travel Serenity) handled well.  The Ford has a beefier chassis, however, and a greater GVWR.  We do plan to get a version with a slide, which decreases our carrying capacity on the MB, less so on the Ford.  What are owners' experiences with the MB?  Do you find yourself limited by the GVWR, especially if you have a slide?  How does the higher profile MB handle high winds and truck wakes?

How many 2350 owners tow a vehicle?  Do you find you need one, or is the unit small enough that you don't need a second vehicle. 
We go back and forth on that, too.  We're planning on using this for extended vacations of 3 - 4 weeks.  Part of the time is just sitting by the beach or a lake, the rest of the time will be for exploring; museums, art galleries, farmers' markets, etc.  I think a towed car, something like a Honda Fit, gives us that much more flexibility.  Thoughts?

Finally, any thoughts on quality, durability and reliability.  Our Gold Standard, from what we've seen, is something like Coach House or Leisure Travel.  Coach House is too expensive for us and Leisure Travel, our first choice, does not have the floor plan we want.  As I said, PC ticks all our boxes.

Finally, if you've read this far, thanks.  On an unrelated subject, is there any way to turn off the annoying dancing emoticons at the top of the page? 


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: kevin on July 01, 2012, 08:07:03 pm
Merely scroll/move the message window up until the cute little icon thingys are out of view.

We had a Coach House for many years, toured the CH plant and went to Phoenix to look at a used CH.  While at the PC plant we looked at how the PCs were put together.  I crawled underneath, poked, prodded & generally made a nuisance of myself.  Pretty much the same as I did at CH.  We finally regrouped in Stuart's office and when he asked if we wanted to see the Coach House, I said "...nah...don't need to"  I now was of the opinion that the Phoenix was better made & why bother. We later that day finally left after trading in the CH & buying a PC.

I thought the beauty of a smaller camper was that I could go to a museum or sightseeing, do city/urban type parking & driving thus not needing to abandon the camper & necessitate having to double back to the campsite after an excursion.  Now that we have a 31 footer that is a lot harder to accomplish.  We have towed our scooter, car & boat depending upon what we want to be doing.  I wouldn't worry about it.  Try not towing, try towing what you have.  It is not like being on a boat anchored off Mackinaw & wanting to go ashore without having a dinghy.

Doesn't diesel cost more than gas nowdays?  Well, anywho, I figure it costs me 50 cents a mile to travel out & about.  That was in mid May.  I'll hopefully do better in August going to Fl to visit son.

kevin


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Frank on July 06, 2012, 01:52:27 pm
Just caught up with your posts. That camera was a pain, just keep pushing
the lower pight button to get it on. This new one is much more user frendly.
We also had a Pleasureway (14 yrs) & really enjoyed it, but Dee kept wanting
to use the tiny refer for food, & pull out my necessaties.
Cheers,
Frank & Dee


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Frank on July 06, 2012, 01:56:33 pm
Sorry, the above was for GregC who is the happy owner of our 08 PC
Frank


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: GregC on July 07, 2012, 07:36:05 pm
You are right about the camera being a pain.  I will just have to take a few seconds longer to set it up if no one comes up with a solution to change the default settings. 

If anyone knows how to change the default camera on a "Zone Defense" backup monitor I would appreciate the advice!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: classact on July 08, 2012, 12:29:39 pm

i always thought that Florida had lots of seafood.  Not like Port Townsend though.  We are surrounded by water and the local fish store has fresh Black Cod, Sockeye salmon, live crab and oysters and clams.  I will have to pack carefully.  The oysters freeze quite well for fried oysters or oyster stew but they don't taste good raw after they have been frozen.  You must have gulf shrimp? 

Joe Patti's Seafood in Pensacola, FL is our favorite seafood market.  We would just about make the 400 mile trip to Pensacola from Nashville just to go to Joe Patti's.  It's an enormous market, with loads of seafood.  Point at what you want, they'll bag it up, then you can walk it over to another counter where they will steam, season it, ice it down and send you on your way for no add'l charge. 


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Anne and Bob on July 08, 2012, 03:36:15 pm
We winter in Yuma, AZ and find ourselves dying for some good seafood.  They carry the usual frozen stuff some of which is okay and some is pretty bad.  "Fresh" seafood means it is probably a week to 10 days old.

So we are going to pack up the little deepfreeze with fresh caught frozen and foodsaver packed fish and seafood.  It will be a yummy winter of eating.  Going to put the freezer right behind the driver's seat in front of the slideout on our new 2551.  It is supposed to be delivered on the 18th (the 2551 not the seafood).  Can hardly wait.  Found some sheets at Camperworld.  Only had to make one of them 6" shorter.  The width will be fine. I just cut the sheet from side to side, removed 5.5" and sewed them back together with a french seam.  The seam will end up under my pillow or by my feet so should cause no problem.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: popsdixon on July 09, 2012, 09:19:32 am
Can I get someone to contact me at popsdixon@gmail.com to talk about changing from a Class A to a Class C? I live in Texas and would love to see a PC in person without having to drive all the way to Indiana.

Popsdixon


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on July 09, 2012, 09:30:26 am
The PC Annual Reunion will be in Kerville, TX in September. I am not sure of the exact dates, although I believe it will be in Mid-Sept. Kermit, the owner of Phoenix, generally brings a new PC to the Reunion.

Speaking with him really puts a face on the company. We have had 3 PC's in the last 3 years. That will tell you two things: 1. We REALLY like the PC and the company and 2. We couldn't get it right. We now have a 2013 2910 and are happy.

Judi


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Paul/Marilyn on July 11, 2012, 03:42:25 pm
James, we live in Benbrook, TX. Don't know if you are anywhere close to that. We just picked up our 2013 2100 Monday and love it. We're still in Elkhart. We'll be on the road for 2 or 3 more weeks and then back home. If we're anywhere near you we'd be glad to show it off.
Marilyn & Paul


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Anne and Bob on July 19, 2012, 01:18:18 am
My pictures got lost. 

We just got our new 2013 PC 2551 this morning and it is BEAUTIFUL.  It was just like opening Christmas Presents since we had never seen one before.  Yesterday we picked up our 7 week old puppy so 2 presents in two days.  Wow.  Will try the pictures again.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on July 19, 2012, 08:17:33 am
It certainly is exciting!!! Enjoy your PC and the new puppy.

Judi and George


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on July 19, 2012, 08:25:50 am
Well, well, well, Anne and Bob are "Official" now.

              (cheer) (cheer) (cheer)
 (cheer)  Welcome To The Family!  (cheer)

               (cheer) (cheer) (cheer)


Now that you own one, you'll find the Tips And Tricks section most interesting.  People have done nice things to and bought nice things for their PC.  You'll wonder where is a good place to hang a bath towel, or place a garbage can, which type is best and where to get it.  The 2551 is the most popular so you'll benefit a lot when reading through that section.

PCs change from year to year, so the changes I made to our 5 year old rig won't always be directly relative, but I think you'll find application for some.
Some of the things I mentioned are not covered by other people so I thought you might appreciate the link.
http://www.phoenixusarv.com/community/index.php/topic,8.0.html (http://www.phoenixusarv.com/community/index.php/topic,8.0.html)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Barry-Sue on July 19, 2012, 09:17:58 am
Anne and Bob,

Congratulations  y-- y--

Enjoy, Enjoy, Enjoy. 


Barry and Sue


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Anne and Bob on July 19, 2012, 11:36:03 am
Thanks.  tymote  I think we are going to love it.  Starting to figure out where to put everything.  At least the sheets fit.  I altered them using the measurements of the bed.  They worked out great.

Bob gone to appointment and I am babysitting the puppy.  I love the floor with no carpet.  Could have had the new wood floors but opted for the vinyl.  Don't have to take off your shoes when you come in.  The wood looks really nice but from past experience we ended up covering it with throw rugs.  The 32" TV works so great.  Even without the antenna up the picture came in crisp and clear.  Have to work on my Tailgater Satellite.  Kermit put me in another jack so I can switch from using cable to using satellite since you would not want to run the satellite through the amplifier or whatever it is on the other side of the wall.  Think it is going to work great and I can always install a diplexer if I get too lazy to disconnect and move back and forth.  I liked Ron's Idea of putting another shelf in that cabinet to put the computer.  Will put it on my list.

Anne


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Jfolk on July 27, 2012, 02:42:29 pm
Hello,

My husband and I live in Florida and north Carolina and travel most of the summer. We own a 36 ft 2009 Tiffin Allegro Rear Engine Diesel but are thinking of downsizing in order to go more places without worrying about height clearance and road conditions. Any advice on length versus driveability?  Are the longer models more stable on the road?


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on July 27, 2012, 03:02:07 pm
Firstly, welcome to the Forum!

We have had 3 PC's; a 2350 on the Sprinter Chassis. Loved the MPG and the roominess of the cab. Hated the rear corner bed. That was in 2010. Decided that we needed more room, since we travel in the summers for a 2-3 monthes so we traded the 2350 and bought a 2011 2551. It was good but we made the mistake of going to the Tampa Show this year and fell in love with the 2910 which we picked up in June. It was custom with only one slide (in the living area) and twin beds in the rear. There are pictures of it on the Forum.

It is obviously longer than the 2551 but it holds the road well. We brought it back from Elkhart with no issues. We will be leaving tomorrow for about 6 weeks and will be towing so we will have to get back to you about handling with a tow vehicle.

Phoenix USA is a super group of folks to deal with. Very customer service oriented. If you decide on a Phoenix, you will not be unhappy.

Judi and George


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: kevin on July 27, 2012, 04:16:19 pm
Hello,

My husband and I live in Florida and north Carolina and travel most of the summer. We own a 36 ft 2009 Tiffin Allegro Rear Engine Diesel but are thinking of downsizing in order to go more places without worrying about height clearance and road conditions. Any advice on length versus driveability?  Are the longer models more stable on the road?

We have a 3100 & she drives with great ability & stability.  However, more stable than ???? As we have a 4x4, we seem to not have had similar wiggles to wiggles which others have previously mentioned.  Or else I unknowingly drive loosey goosey.  Uh, while driving to Ann Arbor with a canoe atop my car,  the traffic parted as if Moses were present - with me in the middle as the canoe wiggled about like Dumbo in a peanut shop.  I have not parted traffic like that in the PC (yet).  So, either all the numbnutz onphones are oblivious or I am driving fine.
kevin


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on July 27, 2012, 05:29:17 pm
thinking of downsizing in order to go more places without worrying about height clearance and road conditions. Any advice on length versus driveability?  Are the longer models more stable on the road?
For 5 years now, we have owned a 2007 model 2350 (23'-8" over-all length) and we tow a Jeep Liberty 4x4 because of our vacationing style.  We generally go to national parks & monuments where being nimble and taking primitive (a few very primitive) roads is part of the fun.  If we did not tow a 4x4 , we would miss some of the very attractions we came to see and experience.  We used to tow a little red sports car but that didn't handle the primitive roads well so we later changed to the 4x4.

Our 2350 with rear corner double bed, was selected to fit inside our 25' deep garage with 10' tall door opening.  Admittedly the sleeping arrangements are not ideal because of the bed's limited access, but we manage.  We really enjoy snuggling up together & sleeping together which makes getting in and out from the rear corner bed more tollerable.

Our 2007 E350 chassis had some notable handling issues when first purchased but nothing that aftermarket suspension upgrades couldn't resolve.  After that additional investment, the rig handles beautifully, towing or not.  The good news for you is that since 2008, the Ford chassis has gotten some suspension improvements by Ford so you may not have to invest as much in aftermarket upgrades, especially with the longer PC models made on the E450 chassis.  I think the 2100 and 2350 & maybe the 2400 are more suseptable to handling issues than the longer models.  But that is just my opinion, based on comments I've read from other owners of the various models.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: aimee on July 27, 2012, 06:39:36 pm
Uh, while driving to Ann Arbor with a canoe atop my car,  the traffic parted as if Moses were present - with me in the middle as the canoe wiggled about like Dumbo in a peanut shop.  I have not parted traffic like that in the PC (yet).  So, either all the numbnutz onphones are oblivious or I am driving fine.
kevin


 roflol roflol roflol


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: RichardP on July 27, 2012, 08:30:46 pm
Hello jfolk...and welcome.  My wife BJ and I got a 3100 in June and drove it back from the Louisville Good Sam Rally.  We and it did just fine.  We had a Newmar Ventana 39' DP until a few months ago.  We decided that we didn't need an RV that was bigger/nicer than our house so we shopped long and hard for the one we got.  We were out last weekend with our RV club and things went well.  We will be leaving for northern NM Monday for a month in cool weather. 

There obviously is a difference in driving a DP and a Phoenix Cruiser or any other unit this size.  Our trip back from Louisville covered about 800 miles, so I felt that was a pretty good test.  We had no problems at all, and in fact felt less "push" from the trucks passing us than we did in the A.  We were towing our Honda CRV, and again, had no issues.

The PC people are good folks.  Also, I have found this forum to be fantastic.  I have learned more in a few months of reading these posts than anything else I have read.  Keep asking questions and I know you will get good answers.

Richard


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Bob Mahon on July 28, 2012, 12:09:37 pm
Pops,

I sent you a PM regarding your question(s).


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: njheart on the road on July 29, 2012, 10:04:29 am
Quote
....Why don't you start off with a little introduction and tell us a bit about yourself?

So, I started hanging out with y'all a week or so back, reading everything I could find about the PC.  I've pretty well decided that I will be heading into a PC shortly.  I hope to go to Elkhart in the next week or two to visit and see everything firsthand. 

First of all, you are some of the friendliest, most helpful folk I have found "out there" in a long time.  Congratulations for that!  :)(:

I'm heading into retirement years and travel with my sister and our dogs.  We're currently in a Pleasure Way B  ...BUT (and you all seem to know that means a change!) ...we have decided that what we would really like to do is take a year off and travel around before settling down somewhere probably in the Southwest near our friends.  That year would be difficult in our PW B for two sisters (although some married couples manage to do it).  I try to do my research first, and that is what brought me to you here on the PC forum.  I'm out here listening to everything you say, so keep talking and I will start asking some questions.  Thanks, in advance, for your welcoming -- and I am hoping we will get to know some of you in person along the way.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: GregC on July 29, 2012, 01:30:54 pm
njheart on the road:

You certainly won't be disappointed at all when you move up from your Pleasure Way to a PC.  We traded our 2000 PW Excel this June for a 2008 PC 2551 and are truly excited about traveling in it.  We looked at a lot of brands and floor plans for a year or so and nothing we saw could compare to the fit, finish, and quality of the PC.  I may be biased, but it sounds to me like the 2551 or 2552 is going to be the perfect home away from home for you and your sister due to the twin bed layout.  Best of luck in your travels!

Greg & Juliana


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: njheart on the road on July 29, 2012, 01:53:30 pm
...I may be biased, but it sounds to me like the 2551 or 2552 is going to be the perfect home away from home for you and your sister due to the twin bed layout... 

Greg & Juliana - thanks so much for the welcome!  And for the advice.  That's what I am looking for -- I would probably look at the 2552 as it has that extra chair up front and that's what we like about the 2350.  Haven't seen the Euro chair in person, but it looks like it would be very relaxing; nice place to work on the laptop for sure.  The twin beds of the 2552 would be similar to our PW layout -- but we were thinking that two separate sleeping areas for sisters in the 2350 might be an added bonus. 

I will continue to listen to responses to this and my other post regarding sleeping comfort of the couch in the non-slide 2350.  I'm excited to be part of the group here and am anxious to get down to see Stuart at the factory and finally get inside a PC. 


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on July 29, 2012, 02:32:29 pm
njheart,

I sent you a private message.  I hope it works out for you to take me up on my offer.

Ron


Title: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Anne and Bob on July 29, 2012, 11:09:12 pm
We sold our 2004 PleasureWay Ford TD Excel with the two beds in the rear.  Our new 2551 is like we poured water on the PW and it grew 6 feet.  Our PC has all the things that I wanted.  Two COMFORTABLE beds.  A BIG refrigerator/freezer.  The passenger seat trns around and there is a place to put the computer.  A big shower and bathroom.  And, most of all, one of us can go to bed and the other can sit up and read, computer or watch TV.  Also we just got a new 8 week old puppy so there is more room for two dogs with the slideout.  Good luck on your search!!

Anne


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Frank on July 30, 2012, 01:50:24 pm
welcome njheart
Having gone all routes , A's ,PW's & now a PC, you will not go wrong
joining us. We are now in our 2nd PC & believe them to be the best
for 2 people on the road.
Cheers,
Frank & Dee


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on July 31, 2012, 10:49:35 am
Another Welcome. If you choose a PC, you will love it. We are on our 3rd in 3 years but finally got the size/accomodations right.

We are in Georgia, on our way to the Smokey Mountains and then on to New England in our 2910. We love the Euro chairs. We have found that the 2910 is very comfy.

Judi and George


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: njheart on the road on August 19, 2012, 08:39:55 am
We sold our 2004 PleasureWay Ford TD Excel with the two beds in the rear.  Our new 2551 is like we poured water on the PW and it grew 6 feet.  Our PC has all the things that I wanted...there is more room for two dogs with the slideout.  Good luck on your search!!
Anne
So, I was just sitting here with my morning coffee ("caw-fee" as we used to say when back in Jersey :coffee) re-reading old posts and picking up on some tips and tricks from all my new PC friends -- and I re-read your post Anne and had a good chuckle about pouring water on the PW and it growing...We have been trying to figure out how we are going to tell our B-van friends that we have decided to "move on up..." It's not the first time we have made a change in our search to try to "get it right."  We always went for the small B van in order to fully utilize the vehicle while I am still working:  a quick trip to the park with the dogs, a weekend at the local state park, or the quick across country trip to see friends and camp out with them.  Now, nearing retirement (I can see just over the edge!) I keep trying to tell myself that I can leave that small, quick mentality behind and "graduate" into the idea that it no longer needs to be fast and small -- now a little more room, a more leisurely pace, a longer stay, this is what we have been waiting for.  And next year, when it rains 4 out of the 5 days we are staying by the lake, we can laugh at the weather as we and our friends have room to visit inside the camper instead of having to go to a restaurant in town to even be able to sit and talk together.

As we wait for our PC to be built, we have imagined all sorts of conversations with our camping buddies who will rib us for sure, and the one thing that has come to the fore is that we would tell them that we tried Miracle Grow to give our PW a good shine  ;) and "WOW, you should see what happened.  You really gotta be careful with this stuff!!!!!"  Nah, I don't suppose that's going to work either. 


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Anne and Bob on August 19, 2012, 11:05:40 pm
You will really enjoy your new PC.  I had about three things that really bothered me:  The small refrigerator in the PleasureWay that I had to sit on the floor to reach what was stowed inside;  The fact that both occupants have to go to bed at the same time since the TV was right over the bunk on the driver's side.  So I wanted a place to sit and read, quilt, or watch TV that wouldn't interfere with Bob's bedtime.  He is a 7 o'clocker and I am a 10:30 person.  I love the electric awning.  No mechanical ability required.  Push the button and it goes out or comes in.  Just remembering 2AM wind calls where the whole rig was about to take off.  The slide gives so much more leg room and my new pantry (formerly shirt closet) with shelves works perfect.

I tested out the dishes in the area above the slide.  Nothing moved at all.  Perfect spot.  Not one tinkle of a dish.

And a shower you can stand up in.

6 feet difference in length but WOW what a difference.  This is sort of MY PC sinceBob was happy with the PleasureWay.  I think we are going to love it and there is plenty of room for the "girls".

Just tell your friends that you watered it,sprinkled with Miricle Grow, and it grew!!!  Have Fun

Anne


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Rotorbrain on August 19, 2012, 11:14:28 pm
Hello fellow PC ers!

Rotorbrain is now onboard!

We have a 2009 2551 custom put together by the infamous Stuart and like our previous 2006 2400 PC, it is doing very well.  Phoenix is the only place to get an RV as far as we are concerned based on quality and the absolutely fabulous service and support from the entire Phoenix staff.  Our first visit to Kermit's shop was more out of curiousity but we came away with a tremendous amount of respect for Kermit and his staff.  Bobby is terrific at resolving little problems, Karen is gracious and polite in the front office.

We equipped the 2551 with the Roadmaster Heavy Duty sway bars and Bilstein shocks and highly recommend them for anyone anticipating strong crosswinds.  We also have the Banks Power System and that is a must for anyone considering towing.

We are now working with Stuart and Kermit on putting together a 2552 and will be at the rally in Kerrville in September.

Hope to meet some of you there.

Chuck & Judy Schaffer
Hurst, Texas


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carolp495 on August 20, 2012, 01:19:12 pm
Hello:
My husband and I just traded in our 2008 Pleasure-way Lexor van style camper for a 2012 ... 2350 PC on a sprinter Chassis.

We chose the PC because we live in Florida and keeping it inside was a must (with hurricanes). We have limited height of 10'4" so the PC worked out perfect, plus they are finished so much nicer inside then any of the other class B,B+, and C's out there.

Miss the Pleasure-Way for now but love the bigger refrigerator, nice big bathroom, and permanent bed.

The size is just a tad scary and am wondering if you need to tow a car or if you can get around town with the bigger camper and extra length  with no problem ?
I know it is not big deal to most .... but I am still trying to get my head around driving this thing.

We are pretty new to the whole RV thing but have enjoyed the couple of times we have had the Pleasure-Way out camping and look forward to taking the PC on long trips to explore new and exciting places.

Carol & Vince Power
Vero Beach, Florida






Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on August 20, 2012, 01:31:13 pm
Hi Carol and Vince,

We own a older 2007 2350 on the E350 chassis.  We tow all the time because of our vacationing style.  We need extreme mobility for the places we vacation in and need a vehicle that can handle primitive roads.....very primitive roads.

Unless you plan to drive on roads where a motor home cannot go, I strongly advise you do NOT tow another vehicle on your first long road trip and see how you adapt getting around in it.  I understand your initial feeling of the rig being so big, but in reality , it is not.  If you are like 99% of everyone else, you will quickly get comfortable driving it.  One week into a trip, and you will relax over it.

Just don't get overly confident, especially when backing up.  That is where the biggest challenge will lie.  Have a spotter outside.  Don't rely solely on the backup camera & mirrors.  Low hanging tree branches and eves & awnings of building structures are one such concern that the driver cannot see.

Also watch for the rear-end-swing when making sharp turns going forward.  It can take you by surprise, even more-so with the E350 as it has a shorter wheel base.  Watch your rear view mirrors closely when making sharp turns in a forward direction.  You clear the obstacle with a little room to spare, then turn but the rear end will swing and hit it anyway.

A good video to watch of someone who forgot how high his rig was,  Click Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJF-b1u9_CU) to see a worst case scenerio.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on August 20, 2012, 02:03:45 pm
Welcome Carol and Vince,

Our 1st PC was a 2350 on the Sprinter. Bought it new in 2010 after having a B for a year. We took the PC, without a tow vehicle, from FL to PEI and Nova Scotia without a problem. We just had to carefully choose our places to park when visiting congested areas such as Camden ME. etc.

Now that we have the 2910, we are towing a vehicle. The 2910 is a little too long to tour in without a tow.

We still miss the Sprinter but we wanted more space (2011 2551 and now the 2013 2910) Guess you could say we REALLY like PC's and all the folks that build them.

We plan on stopping at Sebastian Inlet State Park on our way home in Sept. for a couple of days (as long as no hurricanes hit!!!)

Judi


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carolp495 on August 20, 2012, 02:34:53 pm
Thanks:

I know that we will love the 2350, and my husband said that I can always make a mountain out of a mole hill   2o2 that is me . It is a great RV and I know that I will get use to it, I just have to get out of my mind that it is not a greyhound bus   :-D.  Vince actually loves the way this one drives, he said the PW swayed and had a musy drive where the 2350 has more of a sports car feel. 

She is in the shop right now as the generator which had less then two hours on it has a broken crank shaft .... so as soon as it gets fixed we will take her out and start our little trips to get the feel of the reins before we venture out on a long trip.

Driving is not a problem in general (thanks for the video Ron) but being in a confined area of a town or small roads does bother me and I know we will have to pick our destinations a little more carefully.

I certainly appreciate having this wonderful group of people who can help and give advise from experience to help get us started, and I am so excited and know that we will hopefully have many wonderful trips ahead.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: tom - reds on August 21, 2012, 03:01:03 pm
Hello to everyone !

I'm Tom of "Tom - Reds" , and although we have been members of this for a few months, this is our first posting. A little history.  About three years ago we decided to get involved in RVing. At that time we didn't even know if we wanted to drag it or drive it.  After thinking about how we wanted to use the RV and some basic research we decided on a Class "B" diesel motor home. So, off we went to Hershey.  We live just outside of Philadelphia so it was just a two hour trip.  We only went for one day, thinking that that would be enough time to pick something out.  W R O N G ! ! !  Too many choices.  We did however,decided  that the "B's" were not for us. Too small overall, Wet baths and beds that need to be built, made up and taken apart every day would not work. We also discovered "B+" (or C-, same thing but "B+" sounds better than "C-")
Over the next year we went to smaller RV shows and did a lot of research on line.  Last year we went to Hershey for three days.  Much better!!!The time was well spent and saw a lot and we liked the versatility of the B+'s. Also we decided that the Ford V-10 chassis would work better than the M.B. for our usage level and circumstances(read $$)

Since then we have continued our Info gathering and went to more shows and local dealerships. I also spent a lot of time reading forums like this one (excellant), RV forum and others.  Formost in this process we looked at construction methods, materials, and workmanship and tried not to be influenced by "eye candy" (Ron's words).  After construction we looked for a true cold weather, three to three and a half season motor home and one that maximizes dry camping capabilities.  Last, we considered floor plans.  A walk around full to queen size bed and bath set up that can be closed off from the living/galley area is what would work for us.   Also a comfortable sofa and a good size work table (maybe a non-slide dinette) in the living area.  All this in 27 to 30 feet.

While all this may not be totally possible, we feel the three motor homes that we have narrowed it down to can come very close. We are considering a PC 2700 or 2910D, 2 units from the new (2010) factory direct mfgr in Ekhart, and one from a company in Mantoba. 

So, all that brings us to now.  Next week we head to Ireland with friends for some R&R and a football game (ND vs Navy). Reds suggested not to take any RV stuff along. I totally agree. Next month it's back to Hershey to talk with Reps from the three Motor home Mfgrs.  Our time line to make a purchase is about a year from now. An end of year new 2013 or 2014.

We hope that some of you folks  will comment on our process. What part or parts did we miss? What are your views on the PC's, cold weather and dry camping capabilities?  What options or changes to a coach would enhance those capabilities?  Any thing else that you could add or comment on would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Tom and Reds



"All those who wander are not lost"       


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TomHanlon on August 21, 2012, 03:36:25 pm
Welcome Tom - Reds.

I think you are doing your home work correctly. Not knowing the type of camping and where you want to do it makes it hard to offer advice. Th PC has double pane windows as an option, heated black and gray tanks are standard, fresh water tank in inside. Talk to Stuart at the PC display in Hershey, he is pretty straight with everyone.

We use our motorhome up to December in the mid-Alantic area and down south in December or January. February and March most campgrounds around here are closed.

Now the big question: ND or Navy? ND gets you points at the factory, a bunch of die hard fans work there. Navy is my choice. But it doesn't mater as all are welcome here. 


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on August 22, 2012, 01:29:45 am
Hi Tom-Reds,

Welcome to the PC forum!

Yep, my repeated "eye candy" thread is quite long winded.  Glad you got through it with something of value.

Our travels is just my wife and me.  We near exclusively dry camp.  I consider our PC excellent for our type of vacationing.

Given the way my wife and I use water, we find our independance to last 3 to 4 days.  Fresh water is always the first to go.  We could extend this duration but would rather enjoy nicer showers.

If we never run the Ford engine, with the 2 batteries we find the need to run the generator for an hour or so a day after the 2nd day.  This because with the inverter, we make coffee every morning and watch a movie nearly every evening.  That hour or so per day charging is done using a 40 amp charger for fastest charge times with minimal generator run time.  It is discussed in my thread here (http://www.phoenixusarv.com/community/index.php/topic,73.0.html).  We don't like running the generator more than neccessary because it isn't a sound in the wilderness we (and any neighbors) appreciate.  If you don't tow another vehicle, then your PC gets driven a lot more which will charge the batteries, eliminating much of the need to run the generator.

If you plan to camp in cool or cold weather, PCs are designed for it.  Just be sure to get the thermal windows to maximize it's insulation properties.  I would assume a little insulation "R" rating is lost with a slideout, but have no personal experience with one.  Maybe someone else here will chime in about how tight a slideout seals against freezing temps.

The first 3/4 of the Ford's 55 gallon gas tank are available to the generator.  All motor homes are setup this way to assure the generator won't drain you dry.

10 gallons/42 pounds of propane lasts us 17-21 days with the fridge on propane all the time, cooking freely, and hot water on propane roughly every-3rd evening.  The most variation depends on how often we use our furnace which is limited-use.  We fill up with propane at end of week #2 to assure we don't run out for the sake of the fridge.  I want to add that the hot water tank heats up quickly and retains heat extremely well, so when we run the generator, we heat up the water with 110v, so we do not sacrifice the convenience of daily use hot water.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on August 22, 2012, 08:18:07 am
Tom-Reds,

Welcome to the Forum. You are where we were 5 years ago! We bought a B. Too small.

After 2 Pc,s I believe we finally got it right with the 2910.

Next week we have reservations at Corduros State Park in Hanover PA for three nights. If you are not in Ireland on the  28,29 or 30th and live near Hanover, give us a shout and stop by to see our 2013 2910. It is not your standard 2910. We had the factory do some customizing for us.

Judi


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: pamelahauk on September 08, 2012, 02:09:31 pm
I have been dreaming of a PC and visiting the site to ponder. I truly appreciate Ron's posts. He takes beautiful pictures and in very informative. In fact the set up he has is exactly what I want. Ron when you go "New" I'd sure like yours! I could probably afford it by then.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on September 08, 2012, 07:48:22 pm
Ron when you go "New" I'd sure like yours! I could probably afford it by then.
Don't hold your breath.  We are hoping this one will give us another 25-30 years of service. :)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: pamelahauk on September 08, 2012, 10:21:40 pm
Ron, you just burst my bubble! I'll just need to look for a twin of yours and hopefully taken care of just as well.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TomHanlon on September 09, 2012, 07:47:35 am
Don't hold your breath. Nobody else has one like Ron's or takes care of it as well as he does. 2o2


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: billy on September 09, 2012, 12:58:00 pm
Don't hold your breath. Nobody else has one like Ron's or takes care of it as well as he does. 2o2

Speak for ur self big boy, I take pretty good care of mine. Don't care about another25-30 years, at 71 (young) I live one day at a time.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Barry-Sue on September 11, 2012, 07:39:52 pm
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If you plan to camp in cool or cold weather, PCs are designed for it.  Just be sure to get the thermal windows to maximize it's insulation properties.  I would assume a little insulation "R" rating is lost with a slideout, but have no personal experience with one.  Maybe someone else here will chime in about how tight a slideout seals against freezing temps.

We have had a slide on both of our PCs.  We have camped in zero degree temps and remain nice and warm.  We generally extend the slideout but if someone is concerned that they might lose a little insulation if you are in cold temps just keep the slideout retracted.  We have had a 2350 and a 2551 and you have access to everything with the slideout retracted.  The "BEST" of both worlds!




Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: njheart on the road on October 13, 2012, 05:05:40 pm
Just as a final follow-up to my introducing myself to everyone, the "2552" is now home in the driveway.  Sis and I went down to Elkhart a week ago Thursday to pick her up -- Amanda walked us through, we signed the papers, and off we went to Wal-Mart to get some food and settle down in Eby's Pines for the night -- back the next day for a check on the fridge and a little education on house battery maintenance and a couple of little questions, had the key fobs added in for the chassis doors, and back to Eby's for another couple of nights of R&R and to learn all about the new baby.  Everything worked beautifully and we felt as if we had come "home" for the first time in our RVing careers.

She looks like everyone else's PC, so no need to add a lot of pics here, but you might like to see anyway:
(http://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL1912/12702257/22595501/404239943.jpg)
Here's how much the fur kids like her:
(http://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL1912/12702257/22595501/404239941.jpg) (%)
and if you see us on the road, this will tell you you've found us (we're still hanging out with lots of B van folks, some of who are still in B's, some who just like to Bee social!
(http://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL1912/12702257/22595501/404239940.jpg)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on October 13, 2012, 05:40:26 pm
Marilyn,
Looks good and congrats!!! We had a B before our 3 PC's. You were smart--we thought the 2350 would be good for us and now 3 years later it is a 2910.

Think you better move those guys off the beds before you get a good nights rest.

Judi and George


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Barry-Sue on October 13, 2012, 06:21:16 pm
Marilyn,

Another congrats from us.  Welcome to the PC family.  The waiting is over and now the fun begins.

Barry and Sue


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on October 14, 2012, 12:14:14 am
Looking good there Sisters!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TomHanlon on October 14, 2012, 08:50:57 am
  (yahoo) (yahoo) (yahoo)
Congratulation on surviving the long wait.

Now that you are one of us owners, you have to 1. Post about your mods, 2. Post about your travels, 3. Help the wanabees by answering question, and last but not least, 4. Have fun in YOUR new PC.

I guess your old group can now call you the Big Momma!  :-D


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: kevin on October 14, 2012, 10:38:55 am
and come to the PC-IV get together next sept in petoskey

if MineyShiShi were still with us, she would invite the fur kids to an ice cream social and water aerobics-good for the joints-
kevin


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Paul/Marilyn on October 14, 2012, 05:52:48 pm
Marilyn (& sis), so glad you finally picked up your new baby. Know you will enjoy it thoroughly and you already know how helpful folks on this forum are. Congratulations, and...enjoy!!  !:)!
Marilyn & Paul 


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: keelhauler on October 16, 2012, 03:16:29 pm
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had the key fobs added in for the chassis doors
by NJHeart

Did Phoenix have the Ford dealer come to their plant or did you drive over to the Ford dealer? What was the cost?
My local Ford dealer said it couldn't be done unless the option was ordered from the Ford factory.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Denny & Barb on October 16, 2012, 07:14:32 pm
Yes, Yes, Yes.... the wait was long, but the fruits were worth it... We went thru the wait earlier this spring/summer, and YES it was worth the wait. I, WE, have not been so satisfied with such a unit as our PC.  heartshower

AND the gang over there at PC are right there to help in any issue.....  Now, where can you get service like this now days? 

So YES.. you girls made the right choice indeed. Enjoy!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: njheart on the road on October 17, 2012, 06:15:56 am
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had the key fobs added in for the chassis doors
by NJHeart

Did Phoenix have the Ford dealer come to their plant or did you drive over to the Ford dealer? What was the cost?
My local Ford dealer said it couldn't be done unless the option was ordered from the Ford factory.
Keelhauler:  When we picked it up and realized that we no longer had the luxury of the key fob to lock/unlock the doors, Amanda told us that it could be added in if we really wanted it.  We had intended to return to the factory the next morning to "fix" anything not running right or to have questions answered of things we could not figure out.  So Amanda gave us the option of meeting their guy there -- we hesitated because it was pricey -- $250 -- but it only took him a couple of minutes  with his laptop to program the Ford and the fobs together and we were on our way.  All I could think of was jumping out for a quick stop here or there and having to run around and lock each door with the keys.  I know, it's not exactly all that time consuming, but with "precious cargo" aboard (fur kids) I have gotten so used to the convenience of the push button locks.  So I decided to go for it.  I've wasted $250 on dumber things and this really is a convenience.  The only thing I have to remember is that it does not lock the "house" door -- it did on my PW van, but not in the PC -- but that's also a good thing, as the running lights will not come on/off every time I open the house door now -- not connected to the chassis -- so our friends will not be hollering out "Marilyn, your lights are on!!!!" around the campfire when we hop in and out for "stuff"....

And, thanks, Denny & Barb for the encouragement -- even though winter is coming on, we are planning lots of get-outs until the snow starts flying here in the midwest.  We will spend the winter planning our hoped-for-get-outta-Dodge trip -- as soon as I can see fit to retire and hit the road. They say vacations of the mind lower your blood pressure almost as well as the real thing!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 2 Frazzled on November 06, 2012, 08:37:09 am
John and Holly here - or as our handle states: "2 Frazzled." We chose that name years ago for Geo-Caching and unfortunately it still fits. We are considering the 2552 as our home for a steady year or more with long jaunts after that - all in the pursuit of less frazzledness and general joy of life. We originally decided that a long stint in an RV in the area we think we want to retire will help us decide if we found the right place. Then we started thinking of ALL the places we wanted to see if we got an RV. That list keeps getting longer so we aren't sure when we'll get back on the retirement location search, maybe we will just fall into it while wandering around and forget to leave. We decided to start shopping for an RV and see if it still seemed like a good idea after we saw what was out there. We saw the Phoenix Cruisers at Hershey, found this forum and then got an excellent tour of a 2552 from Tom Hanlon (thanks to Aimee's matchmaker service.) Somewhere down the line John's brain clicked over to retirement mode (hitting 60, talking to really happy full time RVers at the show, sitting in the PC and thinking "this could work.") We have never owned an RV, never used an RV except as the spare room at a reunion BUT have spent untold time in tents. We were Boy Scout leaders for 18 years so camping isn't new to us. We've hauled all our gear on our backs for miles on end and did stationery camping in every weather imaginable with our high adventure troop. My favorite perfume is wood smoke and everything tastes better cooked over a fire even with that added crunch of ashes (don't tell John but I'm sneaking my much too heavy dutch oven on board.) We both want to see so many things in so many places. I want to spend my days playing in the woods and John wants his comfortable armchair to come home to instead of wet sleeping bags. We think we found the solution for both of us in the PC (with a toad carrying those backpacks just in case.) I've been reading your posts and dreaming and making lists and we hope to get out to Elkhardt and make this happen soon. We will still be working part time to keep that all-important health insurance active but the deal has been struck with the boss so it will be while we are on the road. I'm personally confident I can balance my computer on my lap while warming my feet by the fire and gazing at the stars... and I'll work inside when I have to though John already has dibs on that euro chair... and our granddaughter has dibs on my twin bed when she is with us. She was told she'd have a choice of couch or bed and said Grandma can sleep on the couch (would that be the comfy, memory foam, adjustable, reclining couch out there with the coffee pot? - bummer for morning person Grandma.)  So I come up with wild ideas and John survives them and Chloe joyfully comes along for the ride. If all goes well, we'll be adding to the number of PCs on the road and will get to meet many of you soon. We hope to have the RV by late winter/early spring to practice camp before the long trip and my goal is to be homeless by 10/1/13 (the delay is to get affairs in order and is part of negotiation with boss. Anyone want to rent a furnished house in the DC area for a year?... or more... don't tell John about the more dream. He isn't ready to become a gypsy.) PC dreaming -
Holly 

NOTE: I tried to post this before but it said I couldn't because I was logged off. I checked, I was logged in. I hit post again, it said I couldn't because I already submitted the post but it wasn't on the Forum. Soooo if anyone finds my original post let me know so I can delete the duplicate... see 2 Frazzled fits. 



Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on November 06, 2012, 09:16:00 am
John and Holly,
Welcome to the Forum!
As a suggestion from an early riser (that be me!), you might want to take a look at the 2910 and have them build it with only one slide (in the living area) and twin beds in the rear. With that floorplan, you would have two Euro chairs ( let me tell you that those Euro chairs are really comfy), two large windows to take in the views of all the wonderful places that you will be visiting, a small table between the Euro chairs (we added the table with the spider legs for "formal dining". We also had a cabinet built behind the drivers seat. We had the 2551 and this is so much more livable--although our 2551 did not have the Euro chair or a slide.

We picked it up in June. George says that it is about the same to drive as the 2551 but the ride is significantly better (without adding more $$$ for aftermarket stuff). Here is what we have looks like:


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on November 06, 2012, 09:54:00 am
Whoops--sent one twice!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: GoPhoenix on November 06, 2012, 10:08:35 am
Everyone has their favorite floor plan.  We’re certainly happy with the 3100.  We previously had a 29’ model with a sofa but no dinette.  The 3100 has both.  And the wall of cabinets behind the passenger seat holds a ton of stuff.  Someone commented they couldn’t have a recliner because of those cabinets, but we do.  Works fine.  We bought a Euro chair, but use the swiveled passenger seat as the footrest.  Now in the evenings, I can recline and read or watch TV while my wife naps on the sofa.  :lol  And the full width bathroom in the back is great.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: classact on November 06, 2012, 10:25:23 pm
Everyone has their favorite floor plan.  We’re certainly happy with the 3100.  We previously had a 29’ model with a sofa but no dinette.  The 3100 has both.  And the wall of cabinets behind the passenger seat holds a ton of stuff.  Someone commented they couldn’t have a recliner because of those cabinets, but we do.  Works fine.  We bought a Euro chair, but use the swiveled passenger seat as the footrest.  Now in the evenings, I can recline and read or watch TV while my wife naps on the sofa.  :lol  And the full width bathroom in the back is great.

If you get a chance sometime to post a pic of your eurochair and how it works with your floorplan, would love to see it!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: GoPhoenix on November 07, 2012, 08:49:57 am
Classact (really like that name), I have previously posted pictures: http://www.phoenixusarv.com/community/index.php/topic,839.msg5912.html#msg5912.  With the slide in, there’s maybe 18” between the chair and sofa, fine when traveling.  Also note the picture of my little “side table” which is great.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 2 Frazzled on November 08, 2012, 02:09:40 pm
Judi (Gradygal) and GoPhoenix - Thanks for your input. I agree that you both have great coaches. We really love the roomy bath in the back and the flexibility of the twin beds in the 2552 and 3100 (in case one of us travels with a friend or just the grandchild) and we love the double euro-chairs with table between in the 2910. I had not realized the 2910 had that awesome window also, now I keep looking at floor plans and photos again. You guys aren't making this any easier. I wish the RV Fairy would wave her wand and create a hybrid with the rear bath, twin beds and reclining couch of the 2552/3100 but have the front match the 2910 with the big window and double euro chairs. We originally planned to stay under 25' so we could get into almost all of the national park campgrounds and most twisty mountain passes but it seemed a bit tight for two people living and working full time so we decided we could manage the 27'5" of the 2552... now I'm wondering if we could handle the 30'6" of your rigs.

Does anyone have input on size restrictions for western mountain passes and National Park campgrounds? I've been making lists but you have to go to each website and pull up each campground and check restricitons... tedious. We know there will be times we will have to drop the toad and drive the two vehicles separately for some of the roads but we would still need to be able to get into the campsites. Any input is greatly appreciated.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on November 08, 2012, 03:26:56 pm
When we decided to move up from our 2551, we wanted exactly what we (and you) thought would be the best features of the 2910 and the 3100. There was a misunderstanding about what we wanted--the front of the 2910 and the twin beds and bath in the rear--- with the factory. Initially, we were told that it could be built that way but once Kermit (the owner of PC) finally understood what we wanted, he determined that what we wanted could not be built due to the length or some such thing. Our decision at that point was either the 3100 with the dinette or the 2910 with the twin beds or stay with the 2551.

Since we plan to do a lot of travelling next year and then maybe find a campground in New England where we can summer, we chose the 2910 because of the living area, the 2 large windows and the 2 Euro chairs. Had to compromise on that one.

I like the bath area better in the 3100 and also the hanging locker. I really wish that the other plan could have been built. Phoenix is very good with custom but if it can't be built, it can't be built! (WH)

Judi


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 2 Frazzled on November 08, 2012, 03:43:56 pm
Maybe someday the "dream" configuration will come along and we'll be trying to convince ourselves we don't need the new model. In the meanwhile, compromise is key and we won't know if what we chose works until we get out there and give it a go. I guess all the indecision you see for the wannabe's is actually a tip of the hat to Phoenix. They have so many great models and options, it makes it hard to choose.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: jmosier on November 08, 2012, 04:12:03 pm
Welcome to Phoenix USA RV's Discussion Board. We think you'll find this is a nice place to hang out. Why don't you start off with a little introduction and tell us a bit about yourself?
Hello, I just purchased a 2552 and I am told that I will be receieving it sometime before Christmas.  I  started with a camper when the kids were young, then a trailer and 5th wheel.  I then bought a Class A, an Itaca Sunrise (33").  The A I bought to camp in, now that the Kids are grown I wanted a MH to travel in, that is why I picke the 2552.

Question: has any bought the new cab shads?  If so, how do you like them and what is the cost?


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Barry-Sue on November 08, 2012, 04:30:14 pm
What a great Christmas present!  Welcome to the forum.

Barry


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: njheart on the road on November 09, 2012, 06:30:49 am
Hello, I just purchased a 2552 and I am told that I will be receieving it sometime before Christmas.  I  started with a camper when the kids were young, then a trailer and 5th wheel.  I then bought a Class A, an Itaca Sunrise (33").  The A I bought to camp in, now that the Kids are grown I wanted a MH to travel in, that is why I picke the 2552.  Question: has any bought the new cab shads?  If so, how do you like them and what is the cost?
Welcome, jmosier! My sis and I still consider ourselves newbies as well -- but thought I would throw in an answer here as we, too, just bought the 2552 right before the colder weather hit here in the midwest.  So we haven't had much time to get out in her.  But as my sis said, our little camping weekend in the PC on the way home was one of the best we've ever experienced because of the beauty and inside room of the PC.  We did buy the shades; my sis would have to chime in here on the cost as she manages the finances.  They are well made and we are glad we added them.  My only quibble is the same as I have always felt about any outside shade (these attach to the outside window with magnets):  Whenever we go out Rv'ing, it usually rains.  We've even considered renting ourselves out to drought-ridden areas!  I absolutely hate dealing with camping "stuff" that gets wet and has to be put away in the rain.  That's why I prefer inside kinds of shades -- but when we are able to camp more in the SW I am sure I will appreciate these even more.  We will use them a lot, but if we are expecting a rainy weekend, I will probably opt to use the inside curtain though I would love to see a more "relaxed" fabric rather than the stiff accordion style that PC currently uses.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: GoPhoenix on November 09, 2012, 10:11:57 am
We have the shades.  Here’s the PC link with pics shown on our PC: http://www.phoenixusarv.com/announcements.html.  We like the shades a lot, especially when staying in Florida for several weeks.  They will make a dramatic difference in the inside temperature, especially in the cab area.  The rain won’t bother them, but if we are leaving the next day and rain is forecasted, I just remove them the day before so I don’t have to deal with putting them away wet.

Unfortunately, we have to store our PC outside.  I hate those wrap around windshield covers – they crack, yellow and even tore once in a high wind.  Now I use the side shades on the inside when storing.  They will work with a little coaxing. Then just use this inside the windshield: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002L6KQK/ref=oh_details_o04_s00_i00.  Easier than putting on and taking off that wrap around windshield cover.

Then I use foam pipe insulation to protect the wipers, just cut to length: http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-202318553/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&keyword=foam+pipe+insulation&storeId=10051.

Easy-peazy.  :-D


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Paul/Marilyn on November 09, 2012, 12:55:30 pm
Welcome! We got our 2100 Cruiser in July and love it!
We bought the outside screens and really like them. They're easy to put up, take down and fold up for storage. When on the road we usually just put them on the sofa or at night if we haven't put them up yet, on one of the front seats. We use them just about all the time, when they're up we can see out and nobody can see in. At night we pull the front curtain for privacy. Some folks have said they don't like those but they work fine for us. On the road during the day if we park someplace the sun is shining into the front windshield we just pop up a couple of those fold up sunscreens.
   We paid $399 for ours. We bought them from Amanda and assume she's still taking care of those. We think they're well worth the money.
Enjoy!  (yahoo)
Marilyn & Paul


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gl1500 on November 09, 2012, 12:59:29 pm
Aimee,
   Just wanted to acknowledge the new colors on the Forum.  They really look nice and brighten it up.
              Bob


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: GoPhoenix on November 09, 2012, 01:11:09 pm
We store the shades and the inside sun screen under the sofa.  See pic.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carolp495 on November 09, 2012, 01:48:50 pm
Re: The window shades ... any problem in windy conditions with lifting off windshield ?


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: GoPhoenix on November 09, 2012, 01:55:54 pm
Never a problem and we have had them on months at a time.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carolp495 on November 09, 2012, 08:30:14 pm
I have another question .... what about at night ... can you see in  the unit at night when you have lights on inside and it is dark outside ???



Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: GoPhoenix on November 09, 2012, 08:43:17 pm
The shades are not opaque.  That would defeat being able to see out during the day.  With lights on low, you can see shapes from outside at night but no detail, more clearly if well lighted inside.  We close the front curtains at night.  Only takes a minute to close them.


Title: We plan on Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: roadlesstraveled on November 30, 2012, 10:51:31 pm
Hello everyone we are new to the RV world and have been researching the various RV's for about one year. Our journey has brought us to Class B+ motorhome as our most viable option. We also motorcycle and would like to tow our single Bike trailer on occasion . WE are currently looking seriously at a 2007 2950 pc and would like any feedback about this  model by anyone who knows about them. We have test driven it and other than the sort of wondering steering we like the way it drives, my wife drove it and backed it into a parking space ,not her strong suit but did great.     

Thanks :)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on December 01, 2012, 01:12:32 am
Hi roadslesstravelled,

We own a 2007 model year 2350, same year, different chassis (E350), and different floor plan.  This is what I know.

The 2007 PC model year was the first year equipped standard with the whole house inverter.  That is simply great.  We have the inverter and love having 110 volts handy all the time.  I personally feel the 2007 model year was the first year of today's Phoenix Cruiser in regards to standard features and such.  Buying a 2007 or a 2013 of the same floor plan, there are only superficial differences with the house and features.  A 2006 is also a good year but you have to watch out for what might be lacking as it has a shorter list of standard equipment.

Early 2007s are sometimes built on 2006 chassis, very commonly practiced among all motor home manufactures.  If the chassis is a 2007, it will have a tan colored Ford dash board.  If the chassis is a 2006 or older, the dash board will be a medium gray color.  Mind you, other than the colors mentioned, I don't know of any chassis differences.  2006 or 2007, it really doesn't matter.  Just prepare yourself for the possibility.

The drifting/wandering feeling while driving is a very common problem with motor homes of all brands and sizes.  Do not be discouraged about that as there are affordable remedies.  Start with a front wheel alignment from a reputable truck suspension shop, and proper tire pressure.  If you are still not satisfied, then upgrading your shocks, front & rear stabilizer bars, steering stabilizer, and adding a rear trac bar are all worth consideration, but not neccessarlity prioritized in that order.

Welcome to the PC forum.  Maybe you'll become a PC owner one day soon like most of us here.

Blessings,
Ron


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Lieutenant on December 01, 2012, 06:32:17 pm
Hello all from sunny central florida. My bride and I recently traded our 1999 Neumar Mountain aire 38 foot motorhome. We purchased a 2910 rear queenand , are expecting delivery Tues Dec 4th....can't wait


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on December 01, 2012, 07:50:23 pm
wELCOME TO THE FORUM, Lieutenant and Roadlesstravelled!!!!!!!!! We know that you will enjoy your PC--any questions, feel free to post here. We are on our 3rd--we finally got it right (for us) with our 2910 which we picked up in June.

Judi and George


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: KB9OMH on January 14, 2013, 06:41:06 pm
Hi,
     This is Jim & Rae Anne, We just ordered our new PC 3100, will be getting it in about 10 to 12 weeks. Glad to see so many people with PC. Hope to meet some on the road

Jim


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on January 14, 2013, 07:02:48 pm
Congrats on the 3100! y-- y-- y--You will ABSOLUTELY love it!!

Welcome to hte Forum.

Judi and George


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: KB9OMH on January 15, 2013, 04:08:35 pm
Judy & George,
      Thank you we are looking forward to getting it and will be heading west in the fall for a trip from OR. down to Palms Springs

Jim


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: kevin on January 15, 2013, 06:59:14 pm
 y-- y-- a toast to you both  :)(:
kevin


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: KB9OMH on January 16, 2013, 08:14:12 am
Kevin,
     Thank You

Jim


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: GoPhoenix on January 16, 2013, 09:04:06 am
Jim, so happy to hear you took the plunge.  I remember meeting you and showing you our 3100 in Oct. 2011 in Sevierville, TN.  You will love it, I know.  2o2

Gary


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: frecklestweety on January 20, 2013, 04:31:38 pm
  :)Hi Everyone, Just joined the forum after finding out about it from a member of the Cruisers.  I traded in my 2006 33ft Gulf  Stream Yellowstone C Class for 2010 , 2551 Phoenix Cruiser. Since my husband passed away this spring, it was time to downsize.
My unit has twin beds and a very nice layout. It feels real cozy compared to the GS which had two slides and had a 7Ft ceiling, and had to use a stool to turn on fan, etc.  I put 18,000 miles on it and this unit has 20,000 but it was in my price range.  Looking forward to camping next month in Williamsburg to a quilt show.  I am a quilter and love to go to quilt shows and get ideas.  Been quilting for over 15 years and it keeps me busy.  I live in the amish country in Chester Co. Pa and it is so quiet compared to when I lived in Philadelphia.  I have three grown children, three grandchildren, and 4 great grandchildren. They all live out of state and don't get to see them too often so I don't get to spoil them.  So I go see them and camp nearby. From Albany, NY, Mt.Washington, NH and Hagerstown MD.
  Looking forward to warmer weather and have a trip planned with Family Motor Coach this June to Wyoming. Never traveled west before so this will be the first. Luckily I have a quilter friend going with me and share the driving. 
  So, maybe we will cross paths someday.    heartshower


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TomHanlon on January 20, 2013, 04:44:47 pm
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Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on January 20, 2013, 04:59:30 pm
Welcome to the Forum.

You will love the PC! We certainly love our 2910!

Judi and George


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on January 20, 2013, 08:34:01 pm
Welcome frecklestweety,

My condolences in the loss of your husband last spring.

It sounds like you are hard to hold down.  That is awesome.  I think you bought the perfect motorhome for a senior single who brings a friend on occasion.  It sounds like you have some great plans for when the weather warms up.  I don't know for certian, but you might be the first Great Grandma toodling around in a PC.

If you have any issues that surface with your 2551, don't be too quick to get a repair shop involved if you have a little time.  Ask Here First.  Okay?  Give us a day or two to reply.  Quite often, it doesn't take much to make repairs.  Even someone such as yourself could handle with a little care and patience.  But maybe you already know this with your old rig.

Blessings,
Ron Dittmer


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: wes on January 23, 2013, 10:33:20 pm
 hithe  re     my name is wes--i joined today--i have spent a lot of years as a shop owner---i hope to buy a used pc this year--with my back ground i hope to offer some help to others with problems they have--i live in texas---i hope my time spent in my shop can be of some help here sometimes----my company was a service center for several major companies such as monaco---spartan chassis--gillig chassis--beaver motor homes--american coach division of fleetwood--plus others----hope i can be helpful ---wes


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on January 24, 2013, 10:19:59 am
Welcome aboard wes.  Thank you so much for the offer to help us PC owners.  I am not sure how much help will be needed, given the quality of our units is quite good.  But regardless of that.... thank you for the offering.

I am in contact with a new PC owner on a Yahoo PC forum with a 2008 2350 on a 2007 chassis.  His rig has inverter issues.  He is thinking he has a converter which if so, would be a post delivery modification.  Maybe that fellow will chime in and ask you some questions.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: RichardP on January 24, 2013, 10:44:19 pm
Hello Wes...and welcome!  We got our PC 3100 in June, and we are pleased with the purchase.  I notice that you are in Texas, as I am, (Tyler)but I didn't see where.  There is a used 3100 right now at Professional Sales RV in Colleyville.  I see that you are more interested in a smaller unit, but if you are in or near the DFW area, the people at ProSales are top notch.  Neal helped us get our first two RVs, and everyone at this family owned dealership has integrity. 

Anyway...I hope you find what you are looking for soon.  Our state is pretty large, but maybe we will be at the same place at the same time.  The people on this forum are fantastic.  I learn something almost every day.   Our best to you.

Richard


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carolp495 on January 26, 2013, 03:34:40 pm
Hi:

We are back. We had a 2012 Diesel 2350. But before we bought the PC we sold a class B for this unit that we also used as our second car. After we got the 2350 I felt that it was a tad to big to use as the second car around town in the congestion so we stupidly sold it to go back down to the Class "B" again.

We are not world travelers but just like to putt around be gone a night or two and come back home. But when we sold the 2350 and went back to the Class "B" we realized what a mistake we that made ... we no longer had the wonderful storage of the Phoenix Cruiser and my husband loved the way the Sprinter drove .. I guess in the short time we owned the 2350 we had gotten spoiled .  :'( :'(

The couple that bought our 2350 were downsizing from a Class "A" and love it.

I was also a little unhappy with the milage we were promised when we bought the 2350, but the new owner said that he averaged 16 to 17-1/2 on the way from Florida to North Carolina ... we broke 14-1/2 once and never usually got more then 12-1/2, although we were told that you start getting good milage once to get the engine broken in and get some milage on it .... they told us after it was sold ... but I know what to do  this time ... NOT BE A LEAD FOOT ...... but with selling the 2350 .... somthing good came from it ... we made new friends.

So anyway as our luck would have it ... Stuart is in Florida on the west coast at an RV show and long story short ... Tuesday we pick up our new 2013 Diesel 2350 . heartshower

It has been a costly mistake leaving the family but we are back ... no more revolving RV's and no more straying.  heartshower

We are both glad to be almost back !!
Carol & Vince



Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on January 26, 2013, 03:43:41 pm
Carol--Carol---Carol (and Vince too) (WH) (WH) (WH)

Welcome back to the PC family!!!!!!!!!! You guys are almost as crazy as we are!! Soooooooooooo, the good news is that we have another PC to christen this year***some Barefoot Bubbly at Sebastian Inlet State Park y-- y-- y-- See you in April!

Judi


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carolp495 on January 26, 2013, 07:32:51 pm
THANK YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!

Its a date ... see ya there  2o2

Carol


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on January 26, 2013, 10:36:36 pm
carolp495,

I never read a story like yours before, entertaining and emotional too.  I suppose you could look at it this way.  You've been given a rare opportunity to order the same motorhome, applying what you liked and didn't from the first one, making the second one even better.  Even if it was just simple thngs like a different color selection, adding an awning for the bathroom window, leather versus cloth, wood versus carpet, whatever.

I would make a few "light" changes the second time round with ours.

So.....Welcome back Carol & Vince.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carolp495 on January 26, 2013, 11:27:33 pm
Ron:
I was hoping to make changes, especially when you mentioned how your wife could sit at the dinette with her computer while you drove down the road ... that always sounded appealing, and the weight of having a slide and possibly effecting gas milage was always in the back of my mind .... so these would have been the changes I would have made .... but ..... when you have a unit already at a show and you would have to wait 8 to 10 weeks to get a custom one we could not wait a minute more, so we took the one at the show with the slide again and the couch again and the only new addition in the new unit is the wood floor .... but ya know .... I am so happy just to have a PC back and to be able to get on the road again in total comfort.

The outside and inside colors are the same as our last unit ... which I actually like ... in fact when I
e-mailed the couple that we sold our 2350 to .. I told him that if they pass a unit that looks just theirs wave because it will most likely be us !

You and Irene have a beautiful RV.

Thanks for the welcome back.
Carol & Vince


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on January 27, 2013, 07:40:38 am
Glad you are satisfied with buying the one at the show.

Funny you bring up that comment of mine about my wife, her computer, and her coffee.  It really does make her trip, all set up at the dinette watching the world go by affter we are done chatting up front.

We just got leather dinette cushions which should make her experience better yet.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: JoeyD on January 30, 2013, 04:42:59 pm
Thank you for this forum, it is a blessing in disguise... I have learned so much.  We are Joe & Shirley Dube from Homosassa FL (about an hour north of Tampa).
A couple of weeks ago we decided to go to the Tampa RV show.  Now, this is a HUGE show with about 1,500+ RVs.  Well, the shuttle drops us off at the west entrance, we walk through one of the many buildings and out to the RVs.  The first RV we stop to look at is the Phoenix Cruiser 2910T... we bought it.  The PC people (Rebecca specifically) said, go ahead, walk around for piece of mind... you'll be back.  Sure enough... 4 hours later we came back and filled out the paperwork.  A week later we went down to Palm RV in Ft Myers to pick it up.  We are 2 very happy campers.  On the way back from Ft Myers we had at least 3 people pass us giving us a "thumbs up".
We have had a couple things that needed to be taken care of like the broken propane regulator but customer service has been right there for us.  We are looking forward to a trip down to Key West on Feb 10th... that will be our first real trip in our new PC.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on January 30, 2013, 05:22:28 pm
Joey and Shirley,
Again, welcome to the Forum!

If you are in Fl. and can get a site, we are going to be at Sebastian Inlet State Park (near Ft. Pierce on the East Coast) on April 2, 3 and 4th. Join us if you are able.

Carol and Vince will be there on the 2nd in their new 2350.

Judi


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: JoeyD on January 30, 2013, 06:14:05 pm
Hi Judi,

I just looked at the State Park you mentioned near Vero and as suspected, nothing available.  Next time you're out and about in Florida, let me know.  We will be in Key West for a week starting Feb 10.  Going to visit Family in New Hampshire for the month of May and returning to Florida via Nashville and the Natchez Trace.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on January 30, 2013, 06:57:43 pm
There is one site available for the 3rd and another site for the 4th. You would have to move-no biggy!

Where in NH? I was brought up in Nashua and still have lots of relatives in Maine.

Glad you are so pleased with your 2910. We love ours.

JUDI


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: JoeyD on January 30, 2013, 07:29:38 pm
Thanks for the invite Judi... did see that there were single days available but not one that likes to get settled in and then move.  Hope to catch up with you and other PCers down the road...


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carolp495 on January 31, 2013, 03:47:58 pm
A belated welcome Joey and Shirley .... I am a little slow on catching all the blogs from each section.

This is our second Phoenix Cruiser 2350 and we purchased both through Palm RV .... they are a great bunch.

I think that you will LOVE,LOVE,LOVE your Phoenix Cruiser, We were stupid to get rid of our last one, but happy the new owners love her and now we have another new one to enjoy almost identical to the last one  :)

Best of luck and hope to see you around.

Carol & Vince


Title: Graduated from wannabees to gonnabees
Post by: 2 Frazzled on February 11, 2013, 04:39:36 pm
 :)(:  John and I just ordered our 2552 and will become Phoenix Cruiser Owners sometime in late April or early May. It's going to seem like forever!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TomHanlon on February 11, 2013, 04:55:36 pm
 y-- y-- y-- :gang :gang :gang kumbaya kumbaya woot woot woot

Can't wait to hear what you color ordered. You can always come by and visit my PC until yours comes in.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 2 Frazzled on February 11, 2013, 05:00:54 pm
We ordered Sunlit so we won't have twins like I thought but we can still camp next to each other and tell people they are cousins. Ours just doesn't have that beautiful bronze tan yours does.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carolp495 on February 11, 2013, 05:05:25 pm
Congratulations .... we wish you many years of happy trails  :)(:
Vince & Carol Power


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on February 11, 2013, 05:20:18 pm
Congrats from us too--you will love your PC!

Judi and George


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: jampodd on March 13, 2013, 03:13:47 pm
Hi,
I'm a long time camper, did the whole progression of tent-pop up-small travel trailer-large travel travel trailer. The kids got old and involved with sports and things and I finally sold the trailer. I've got away from camping for about ten years and then decided I missed it. A few years ago I bought a used 34' class A and after a couple years decided it was too big, traded it in for a 2350 Sprinter. Ended up trading that in for a 2552 and love it so far. The Sprinter just wasn't right for me. I've already done some upgrades since I got it in November getting it ready for this year's camping.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on March 13, 2013, 03:56:07 pm
Welcome jampodd,

I grew up first tent camping then popup trailer camping with my parents.  Grown & married with our first child born on our 5th anniversary and I said no way we are doing without a motor home.  It's been a house-on-wheels since.  The first MH a Toyota-Mirage owned 24 years, our PC-2350 owned 6 years and counting.

The 2552 is extremely popular, maybe #1 seller.  I think the most popular sell-off is the 2350 for people can't tollerate getting in and out from the bed.  I wonder if the old 2950 with rear bedroom, had a rear double/queen bed turned sideways, would also have been too difficult for most.  I thought it would have made  a good arraingement.

PC-2950 Floorplan
(http://rvingplanet.interactrv.netdna-cdn.com/model-image/18094/375x0.pdf)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: jampodd on March 13, 2013, 04:16:21 pm
Ron,
The bed was part of it, the other was the diesel. Never had one before and decided the gas was better for me. I just finished making provisions to turn the twin beds into a full size. Makes getting to the rear bath more difficult but I figured it would only be set up at night.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: racephoto on March 29, 2013, 11:19:09 pm
Hi all,
I'm new here....hoping to buy a PC 2100 in the next couple days.  I'm headed out Mon to look at it and drive it, hope it measures up to the pics.  I rented a Class C 25' from cruiseamerica last year and it was just too big.  And the width was even more disconcerting on the narrow roads I was on in Northern AZ and Southern UT.  I went to the other extreme last month and rented a minivan with a bed & camp kitchen but no shower/toilet.  It was fun but basically just a rolling tent.  I'm hoping the PC turns out to be just right. 

Gail
Manassas VA


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on March 30, 2013, 01:03:42 am
In-Touch with you Gail!  You'll have to report back how it went for you.  Remember what I said about potential handling issues, and not let that get in the way of a good choice otherwise.  There are remedies.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Barry-Sue on March 30, 2013, 09:20:58 am
Gail,

    Welcome to the forum and the world of Phoenix Cruiser.  I know what you mean about the handling of certain units.  Don't be afraid to try a little bit larger PC.  Compared to the "regular" Class C's the PC are better in handling.  We have owned 2 Phoenix Cruisers (a 2008 2350 and now a 2012 2551).  I did not like driving the 2350 at all.  The front end seemed to wander all over the road.  The only thing we did to fix the handling on that unit is added Bilstein shocks to the front end and a rear trac bar.  The 2008 2350 PC then drove like an SUV.  No problem for me to drive it even in high winds.
     We have done nothing to the 2012 2551.  Absolutely love the unit.  We will be putting new shocks on it now that it has over 10,000 miles on it.  Out of the factory it drives like your typical pickup truck.  The shocks are not a necessity yet but the Bilstein shocks are Heavy duty compared to the factory originals so will be adding those in the not too distant future.
     If you do buy a unit and have handling problems do some research and change one thing at atime.  We found very good online info on the back ending swaying on the 2350 and that is why we added the rear trac bar.  That took care of all of our handling issues.  If it is a used unit note the year of the chassis.  That may also determine what changes you may need to make.  Remember, there were some improvements made by Ford between 2007 and 2008 and that is why we only made minor changes on our 2008.

Sue


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: racephoto on March 30, 2013, 02:33:21 pm
Thanks all! 

It is a 2008, the owner said his was one of the chassis where Ford added front sway bars if that's the right term.  We'll see.  I'm really looking forward to checking it out and hope it all lives up to the ad/photos.  I'm definitely excited!!

Gail


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on March 30, 2013, 04:11:35 pm
.....the owner said his was one of the chassis where Ford added front sway bars if that's the right term......
Actually he got it backwards.  In 2008, Ford added a "Rear" sway bar to the E350 chassis on that PC-2100.  The front bar has always been.  Hopefully the smaller diameter Ford bars will be enough for satisfied handling.

I look forward to your report Gail.  Well wishes!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: jampodd on March 30, 2013, 05:33:47 pm
I took my new 2552 to Mainline Truck and Trailer Service (trained by Henderson). The handling of the 450 was pretty good but wanted to see if improvements could be made. Ended up putting on new front and rear sway bars and a rear trac bar. They mounted a camera under my PC and drove it while taking videos of the front sway bar, both with the original and the new. The original looked like a wet noodle flopping around. I was amazed at the difference in the videos between the original and new sway bars. There was definitely an improvement in the handling as well. I feel it was money well spent.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TomHanlon on March 30, 2013, 05:35:43 pm
Do you know which brand of bars they used?


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Glen on March 30, 2013, 08:13:54 pm
Hello Group,

Rose and I (Glen) Have had a Class A motor home since 1986 and a trailer for 13 years before that.  We currently have a 1975 GMC 26' Avion.  After almost 46 years of being able to snuggle up on a cold night, twin beds just don't make it!  We came across the Phoenix Cruiser and realized it was time to get a new motor home.

We are looking at the 2910D as our perfect layout.  I like the extra slide out of the 2910T, but I don't want to give up the Euro chairs and small table and did not care for the table arrangement of the "T" model.  So for us and our German Shepherd Baron and his two cats, the 2910D is just right.

So who are we.  Well Rose and I spent 24 years in the Marine Corps.  I entered as a Private in 1966, flew 350 combat missions as a .50 Cal door gunner in Viet Nam, served as a Marine Corps Drill Instructor, a Warrant Officer and a Commissioned Officer.  I retired in 1990 at the grade of Major and as the Executive Officer of a Marine Corps Support Squadron.  By job title I was always an Air Traffic Controller, but filled any job the Corps cared to assign me.  After retirement I managed large airports, owned an aviation business and have been a licensed pilot since 1964.  Rose on the other hand had the most difficult job of all.  She was a Marine Wife and mother who ran a household by herself for all of those years when I was away. 

Due to the many issues that came up during my 24 years as a result of Combat, Agent Orange, etc., I now have great difficulty getting around sometimes.  So the lowness of the Phoenix Cruiser is going to be a great asset.  And...I think it will be much easier for me to drive than a big basement class A motor home.

We've lived in Yucca Valley, California for 28 years now.  It's about 15 miles north of Palm Springs at an altitude of 4,000 feet.  The summer are mild and the winters can be cold and snowy.  We did have 16" of snow one night.

Regards,

Glen and Rose


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on March 30, 2013, 11:32:20 pm
I took my new 2552 to Mainline Truck and Trailer Service (trained by Henderson). The handling of the 450 was pretty good but wanted to see if improvements could be made. Ended up putting on new front and rear sway bars and a rear trac bar. They mounted a camera under my PC and drove it while taking videos of the front sway bar, both with the original and the new. The original looked like a wet noodle flopping around. I was amazed at the difference in the videos between the original and new sway bars. There was definitely an improvement in the handling as well. I feel it was money well spent.
This information is extremely valuable, worth sharing with the RV community.

The 2552 is on the lighter side of E450 based motor homes.  I am left to wonder what happens as the rigs get bigger and heavier.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: jampodd on March 31, 2013, 07:56:52 pm
Tom,
They used Roadmaster bars. I also had them put on Koni shocks, sumo springs and a Safe-T-Plus steering stabilizer. They weighed each corner and it was similar to weights others have posted. These are with holding tanks empty:
LF-2160, RF-2100
LR-3820, RR-3780

They recommended 65-70psi in each tire.

I wish the files were smaller, I would post the before and after videos but they are both around 600MB. I really notice the difference when cornering, sway has decreased noticeably.
I'll be taking it to the Masters tournament in a week so I'll know more after that but happy so far.
Ron, I wonder the same thing. I don't blame Ford because they don't know what is going to be mounted on the rails but things seem a little undersized to me.


Just an update to the handling additions I added. I just returned from a shake out trip from northwest Ohio (where I live) to Augusta Ga. I took Rt 23 to Rt 33 to Rt 77. My PC handled great, no issues at all. The trhre guys in the back also commented on how well it rode and handled. 77 has some pretty steep grades and the cruise didn't handle those too well but when I turned it off I had no problem. Normally I was cruising around 65mph and the rpm's were staying around 2500. Some of the hills got them slightly over 3000 and speed slowed down slightly but not much. I know there has been many questions about gas mileage also, I averaged about 8.5 mpg for the entire trip of about 1700 miles. Only had about 1000 miles on it before the trip so still some break in going on, but for the grades I was going up it's about what I expected.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on April 01, 2013, 12:58:21 am
jampodd,

You ended up doing pretty much the same as we did back in 2007 with Roadmaster bars, Koni shocks, and Safe-T-Plus.  We also have a Henderson rear trac bar, but no Sumo springs.

I preached about this until people got tired of reading about it.  Some people thought I was a bit "Out There" over the subject.  Then I thought maybe the improved chassis introduced in 2008 is "THAT" much better.  If your smaller 2552/E450 was so much improved, I can't imagine the benefits larger motor homes would experience.

So now we all know.  Thanks for sharing this data.  It would have made for a great You Tube video for all the RV world to see.

Ron.....not crazy after-all.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 2 Frazzled on April 01, 2013, 07:08:39 am
Ron, I tried to not respond, but couldn't help myself. There is an old saying that "just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get me" - Well, the same goes for crazy. Just because you got that one right, doesn't mean you aren't crazy. Personally, I recommend embracing the craziness within, I did.

Holly (crazy but in a good way)    (8)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Bruce and Sharon on April 02, 2013, 01:28:33 am
Hello,
We are Bruce and Sharon and are expecting to take delivery of our new PC 2350 on April 4th.  We’re eagerly awaiting the beginning of a new chapter in our RVing life as we’ve sold our 37’ Class A so that we could purchase our new B+.

In case you’re interested, here is a little background information on us:
We’ve been RV’ers and world travelers since we met and got married in the early 1980’s.  Our first RV was a Dodge utility van that we made into a camper.  Along the way we’ve owned many travel trailers and various sized motor homes, all of which we enjoyed but usually didn’t keep for more than a few years—always having the idea that two more feet of RV would make things perfect. 

When we both retired from our jobs in education in the early 2000’s, we drastically increased the use of our RV.  In 2004 we purchased a 37’ diesel pusher that we expected would be our last.  We loved this RV even more than we expected and spent months at a time on the road with it.  But, in the past year or two we began to realize that it was time for us to downsize the RV and try out more of the smaller campgrounds and RV parks that are available to us.

So, after many months of looking at the options available to us, we decided to make this next change in RV.  We were especially attracted to the Phoenix Cruiser for many reasons, including this wonderful Forum you have on line.  We expect to have some difficulty in adjusting to the much smaller living space we’ll have in the 2350 compared to the 37 footer, but being flexible and having new adventures are things we look forward to enjoying.  We expect that our dog Sparky and cat Minou will be accepting of the change, too.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: KB9OMH on April 02, 2013, 06:23:35 am
Bruce and Sharon,
     We are having the same problem, went from a 33 foot 5th wheel to the 3100, trying to find space for things, We picked up our new baby on 3/26. Hope to see you on the road somewhere

Jim and Rae Anne


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on April 02, 2013, 10:00:51 am
Bruce and Sharon,

Going from a 37 footer to a 2350 is quite dramatic.  I hope you have actually walked through a 2350 crawled onto its rear corner double bed.  Many people find that the deal breaker.  Many others who bought a 2350 switch rigs later to a 2551 or 2552.

As for my wife and I, we could never sleep separately so we deal with the inconveniences of our 2350 bed. 

Someone recently did something custom, converting his 2552 twin beds into a single massive bed.  Somehow he is able to break-down the center isle portion quickly.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: jampodd on April 02, 2013, 08:22:09 pm
Ron,
Breaking down the bed is actually quite simple. The mattresses just slide over to their respective original positions, the plywood slides under the mattress (passenger side) and the three supports lift out of their notches and are store under the lift up storage under the bed (driver side). The two side supports (with notches) remain in place.
BTW, I like what you did with the kitchen drawers, I may look into that as well. I've already used some of your ideas like making the third chair a captains chair, it will be put to good use when my grand-daughter starts camping with me.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on April 02, 2013, 11:50:34 pm
BTW, I like what you did with the kitchen drawers, I may look into that as well. I've already used some of your ideas like making the third chair a captains chair, it will be put to good use when my grand-daughter starts camping with me.
Thanks for the compliment but I can't take any credit for the 3rd captain chair idea.  I am so bad remembering people's names, but it was another member here who special ordered his PC-2350 with the captain seat instead of a barrel chair at the time.  I love our captain seat, not just for our own relaxation, but very nice and safe for a 3rd passenger.  They sit higher yet still able to look out the front window fairly well by reclining a bit.

I think I can take credit on the galley drawer modification as I have not heard of anyone else ever discussing it.  :)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on April 05, 2013, 12:30:38 pm
.....the owner said his was one of the chassis where Ford added front sway bars if that's the right term......
Actually he got it backwards.  In 2008, Ford added a "Rear" sway bar to the E350 chassis on that PC-2100.  The front bar has always been.  Hopefully the smaller diameter Ford bars will be enough for satisfied handling.

I look forward to your report Gail.  Well wishes!
I got an email from Gail last night.  She bought that 2008 2100, I think on the road heading home with it today.

Congratulations Gail!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: racephoto on April 09, 2013, 08:36:46 pm
Yep, I did buy the 2008 Phoenix Cruiser 2100.   ;)  I love it.  It had @ 15,500 miles on it, and I drove it approximately 1500 miles from St. Louis to Charleston SC to Leesburg, VA over the last week.  It handles great, everything works so far and I'm pleased as punch.  Had a leaking city water connection for a bit but some jiggling of the check valve fixed that.  And I pulled one of the shade cord thingies out of the wall.  :-(  Ah well.  But so far, I'm loving it.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: EarlRobbins on April 19, 2013, 12:30:21 pm
Hi, My name is Earl Robbins and I am the sales manager for Phoenix Cruiser. I thank all of you that have called and or e-mailed me in the last week or so. I have been so busy with learning the product and getting my computer set up that this is the first time that I have been able to look at the Forum. I am excited about my new position. My back ground starts in Kentucky. I was a welder for a coal company for about 8 years. Then I went to work as an RV salesman at a large dealership in Indiana where I worked for 14 years. After that I worked at a Ford Lincoln, Mercury dealer as a sales person and Commercial accounts manager. The last 4 years I have done web sales for a local RV dealer. There are a lot of things that I want to do to make your shopping experience for a new Phoenix Cruiser even better. I will be making videos on each floor plan and a new construction video. These things take a lot of time so I will be working them in as I can, one at a time. Please let me know how you like them when they are up and running. My wife Pat and I look forward to meeting you at the Rallies.  Also feel free to call or e-mail me any time.  Thanks. Earl 877-754-8535


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Barry-Sue on April 19, 2013, 12:45:26 pm
Earl,

    Welcome to the PC family.  We look forward to meeting you!!!

Barry and Sue


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on April 19, 2013, 01:27:47 pm
Yep, I did buy the 2008 Phoenix Cruiser 2100.   ;)  I love it.  It had @ 15,500 miles on it, and I drove it approximately 1500 miles from St. Louis to Charleston SC to Leesburg, VA over the last week.  It handles great, everything works so far and I'm pleased as punch.  Had a leaking city water connection for a bit but some jiggling of the check valve fixed that.  And I pulled one of the shade cord thingies out of the wall.  :-(  Ah well.  But so far, I'm loving it.
I feel the 2100 without a slideout is the absolute sweetest rig for travelling solo.  If you have an occasional traveling companion, it can accomodate them too with only a little inconvenience....easy to deal with for the rare occasion.  Looking good Gail.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: BGolden on April 20, 2013, 04:45:39 am
Earl,

The You Tube Videos are a great idea. I'd Like to see some that shows repair and replacements and upgrades from some of the Forum folks.

BGolden   2o2


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Jan on April 21, 2013, 06:25:06 pm
Hi I am new to this site and and wanting info on which RV might be the better one. I am going to be selling my condo in Scottsdale AZ. and buying my first RV and going FT. I am looking for a 1) PC 2550 2) Lazy Daze RB/dinette or 3) Born Free RB/dinette. If anyone has pros or cons on differences between would surely appreciate and thanks.

Jan 


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on April 21, 2013, 07:41:29 pm
Hi Jan,

Born Free, Lazy Daze, Phoenix Cruiser....they are all good brands.  It comes down to your specific needs & wants.

When I did my internet research for a motor home, I looked at the three brans you mentioned.

:( on a Lazy Daze because we wanted something more aerodynamic which translates into improved fuel economy and more importantly....better handling.  Because of our garage height & length limitations, the LD would require deleting of roof-top features, for example the a/c unit.

:( on the Born Free because they did not offer a main floor bed in a shorter length we required.

The Phoenix Cruiser 2350 floorplan and exterior dimensions were the primary reasons for our purchase.  But after we owned it a short while, I quickly learned it was a great choice for reasons such as design & ingenuity, workmanship, and customer support.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on April 22, 2013, 06:35:07 am
Jan.
First of all, welcome to the Forum (cheer)

I can only speak of PCs. Five years ago, we bought our 1st motorhome. It was a Class B-Airstream Interstate on the Sprinter chassis. We were gone for about 3 monthes and found it too small. Then a new PC 2350 on the Sprinter chassis-that rear corner bed did us in. The next year, a  new 2551 on the Ford-twin beds. So, we went to the Tampa RV Show last year and traded the 2551 for a 2910.

I think it is all in how you plan to use the PC. Since you say you are selling your condo and fulltiming, you need to carefully consider the space. We really bought the 2910 because our plan is to become reverse snowbirds and leave FL in June and return in October. The 2910, for us, has a very spacious feel in the main living area with two large windows and of course, those comfy Euro chairs.

We loved the cab on the Sprinter and the MPG with the diesel. Don't love the MPG on the Ford but it is what it is, and we knew that!!

Judi


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Barry-Sue on April 22, 2013, 08:01:57 am
Hi Jan,

     Welcome to the site.  We had a travel trailer when we first retired and started RVing.  It did not have a permanent bed and I was determined that the next RV would.  We were using the TT about 2-3 months every year.  It had a nice large dinette that made into a bed but doing that every morning and every night was getting tiresome. 
      We then purchased our first PC in 2008, a 2350.  Two things attracted us to this model, it was small and we thought it would be easy to get from place to place and yes it had a permanent bed.  Well, the corner bed did me in.  If it was just me, by myself, the corner bed would have been just fine and there would have been enough cabinet space for me alone.  We spent from 3- 4 months every year in the 2350.
      In 2011 we sold the 2350 and bought a 2551 and love it.  We spend 4 - 5 months in it and I find that it is very comfortable and we can carry everything we need.  It is still short enough that we can go anywhere and the living area is plenty comfortable.  We did custom a few things to our liking, the TV was placed on a swivel mount and we opted for a non-powered drivers seat so that both seats can turn around and are great for relaxing or having another couple over.  We are in the process of changing out our couch to make it even more comfortable for us.  We had opted for the older model couch since the new model was just too deep for me so now we are looking at putting in a jack knife sofa so that we have a comfortable couch and can utilize the drawer under it.   This unit also fits in our garage so that is a very big plus for us.
      Judi amd George's 2910 is another great unit.  We camped with them in FL in January and their setup is very, very comfortable. 
      We had looked at the Born Frees and Lazy Dazes as well but Phoenix was the only manufacturer that would work with us in doing almost anything custom that you want.  We made up a list of what we wanted and PC was able to accomodate our every need.

Sue


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Jan on April 22, 2013, 05:54:35 pm
Thanks for the info from those who responded. I did look at the 2910 but thought the 2550 if can find would be a better fit for me being only my bird and I will be traveling along with those Red Solo Cups :)(:. Everyone I'm finding seems to be the corner bed and I know I don't wan to contend with that everyday, but do like the looks of the corner shower with what looks like a seat. I want the rear bath as seems more storage, liked the cabinet behind driver seat. I'm sure I will be putting in extra storage shelves as I find out what works for me. Jan


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on April 22, 2013, 10:49:16 pm
Jan, For just you and your bird, the rear corner bed of the 2350 would work fine, and the dinette table great for Birdy.  The issue with the 2350 involves two people in that bed.  As far as making up the bed, there are ways around that of which people resort to a bed sack....or whatever they call it.

I would rather have a permanent bed like the 2350 than something that requires setup & take-down daily.  The 2350 is quite short as well.  Much easier to drive around solo in.

Just my thoughts about it.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Barry-Sue on April 23, 2013, 07:19:58 am
Jan,

     You are absolutely correct.  Since we have had both the 2350 and 2551 I can defintely agree with you that the rear bath gives you much more storage.  In the 2350 I used to have to keep some of the bath items in the cabinet outside the bathroom.  Now I have room for all bath items plus some non bath items in the rear bathroom.  It is also very easy to shower and dress in the rear bath.  With the 2350, we would many times dress outside of the bathroom due to lack of space.

     If I was a FT rver I would want to make it easy on myself as well. 

     As for the length of the 2551, we actually find it easier to drive then the 2350 and have not had any situation were we were too long.  We have parked in shopping center parking lots, gas stations, restaurants, and rest areas without any issues.

     The most important thing to remember about Phoenix Cruiser, you can draw up your ideal floor plan and they will work with you and try to accomodate your wants and needs.  Don't limit yourself to the models but (with reason) let them know what you desire and they will work with you.

Sue


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TomHanlon on April 23, 2013, 07:48:54 am
    Having owned both a 2350 and now the 2552, we agree with Sue about the storage and the bathroom. One thing that was a problem in our 2350, and I don't know if it is in all the 2350's, was that the toilet was higher than a normal toilet. It was so high that my wife (5'7") had problems sitting on it and touching the floor.

    We bought the 2350 over the 2551 because of the smaller size and the mobility it provided and the 2551 did not have a chair to sit in and watch the main TV. When Phoenix came out with the modified 2551 which they named 2552 we went with it. It gave me the euro chair and my wife got an pantry. The added foot in the living area was a bonus in making it feel much larger inside. When driving or parking it I can not tell the difference between the 2551 and the 2552. I guess to some people the foot does make a difference as Phoenix still makes and sells both models. By the way, the 2551 and 2552 are the best driving and riding models that Phoenix makes according to Kermit. After having driven both I have to agree with him as far as the 2350 and the 2552 go.

    After owning the 2552 for over a year I have final ordered the Bilstein HD shocks for it because I prefer the sports car like handling they provide. Fed-ex will deliver them this tomorrow and after I have them installed and a test drive I will report on them. I have not really felt that the HD shocks are required, it is just something I like doing, and it might help a little.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on April 23, 2013, 10:24:29 am
My opinion,

The 2350 falls short in 3 primary areas

- handles worse, but can be resolved
- small bathroom  
- confining bed & bed access

But every model falls short in some manner.  It's come down to what is more important to the owner.  For me, if the longer length didn't matter (because of our garage depth) along with sleeping separately, I would prefer the 2552, even considering the benefits of our 2350.

- huge 2007 outdoor storage compartment
- easy maneuverability
- unmodified Ford stock chassis
- 10% better fuel economy


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ksteve06 on May 05, 2013, 05:57:07 pm
My wife and I just put a deposit on building a 2013 sprinter 2350 and are trying to decide if we want a slide with couch or dinette. We currently have a 39ft diesel pusher and have decided that it is way too big. Before that we had a 25ft Airstream that we camped in for 5yrs with 3 kids and 2 dogs and did just fine. My concern with the slide out with couch is loosing the extra cabinet space as well as above and under dinette and CCC weight. We are used to lots of storage space as Airstreams have lots. Plus we were used to not even having a slide in the airstream. The corner bed does not bother us, as we had one in the airstream. I know they both have pros and cons but are having a hard time finding lots of pics with dinettes. We are very excited about the process and cant wait.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Bob Mahon on May 05, 2013, 06:16:18 pm
OK, I'll stick my $0.02 in on this.
Regardless of Ford or Sprinter chassis, the Dinette in a 2350S will not sleep anything taller than a legless midget. The electric sofa will.
Our 2552S has the Dinette and we still haven't found a legless midget that wants to sleep over (my 12-year old grand-daughter is too tall for the Dinette).


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on May 05, 2013, 06:35:10 pm
Another $.02 worth. Our 1st Phoenix in 2010 was a 2350 Sprinter with no slide. We had the dinette. The dinette was very uncomfortable to sit and eat at. I understand that the seats in the dinette are much better now. My opinion is to get the 2350 with a slide. Depending on how many travel with you, you can always get the table with spider legs for eating. Also, I believe that more folks want a slide. It took us 3 trys to get it right. We now have a 2910 and love it! We did love the Sprinter for the cab space and the mileage. We did not find a problem with storage space. Hated the rear corner bed and the constant looking up to view the tv/ neck strain.

BTW, we had an Airstream Interstate before our first venture in Phoenix Cruisers.

Judi and George


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on May 05, 2013, 10:37:00 pm
having a hard time finding lots of pics with dinettes.
Here are some pictures of our 2350 dinette without a slideout.  Being that or rig is a 2007 model, the table legs are the old design.  The new design has the table attached to the wall and one leg at the opposite end.  I think the table top pivots down to the "Bed" position by simply flipping up and locking the leg under the table, then the table drops down.  Hopefully someone with the new design will clarify with pictures.  I would like to see how it works myself.

In our pictures, you see the framing is finished in cloth but the cushions are leather.  This is because we originally had cloth cushions.  The new dark green cushions are much more comfortable as they have more dense foam and are thinner, providing better support and more room to boot.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8518/8462453675_5d79315fcc_z.jpg)

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8510/8462454519_10108c6774_z.jpg)

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8243/8462452067_6ee0b775a2_z.jpg)

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8245/8462458531_d34a4d70f7_z.jpg)

For the 2350, the dinette inside a slideout is significantly smaller and tighter with less leg room, less head room, and a smaller table.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: aimee on May 06, 2013, 01:36:21 am
Ron, I don't think I caught any pictures before of the new dinette seating.  I love the contrast in texture and pattern/color.  Great job!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ksteve06 on May 08, 2013, 09:47:24 am
Made a decision, ordered the 2350 sprinter with no slide, yeah. A few changes though, Blu Ray player surround sound, 3 way fridge that is stainless steel, fantastic fan in bath, 2 fantastic vent covers, adjustable shelves in closet that can be removed, sprayer in toilet, window awning over dinette, and in dash GPS Rand McNally with back up monitor & CD, I think thats it. Can't wait we are so excited!


Steve & Aleece  :-D


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on May 08, 2013, 10:25:14 am
Congrats to you both  y-- y--!! Our first PC in 2010 was a 2350 Sprinter(no slide) We hope you enjoy it as much as we did. Our lifestyle changed a little and we decided that we wanted to become sunbirds and leave FL for 3 or so monthes in the summer so we went with a 2011 2551; now we have a 2013 2910, which we love! Safe travels.

Judi


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on May 08, 2013, 01:14:02 pm
adjustable shelves in closet that can be removed...Steve & Aleece  :-D
Very nice deviations, all of them.  Since you are adding removable shelves, I would consider the same for the shirt closet, the smaller hanging cabinet, just to the right of the microwave oven.  I added a fixed shelf there.  Maybe two adjustable shelves would be better.

Also ask where the subwoofer will be mounted.  I requested it go in the front most dinette bench seat and it does make most sense to put it there.  Back in 2007, they placed it under the main bed where precious outdoor storage is compromised, and it's best far away from the bed when one is napping while the other is watching TV.

I also highly recommend the thermal windows.

I do wonder of the value of the roof antenna.  If doing it over, I would request NOT to have one.  With digital, it's good only if the rig stays put.  It's a science project to figure out where to point it and then scan for channels, repeating the process until we give up and throw in a movie.  On The Go TV is best for DVD/BlueRay movies.  If you have money to burn, get a tracking satelite dish system though some people are disappointed in them too.  Broadcast TV is great at private campgrounds with Cable TV service.

Our rooftop antenna is nothing but an ugly roof ornament that put many holes and piles of caulk in the aerodynamic cap where it is mounted.  And it rattled a lot until I felt padded it in many places.  That large roof top space would be better utilized for a solar panel.

Congratulations!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Barry-Sue on May 08, 2013, 02:03:14 pm
Steve and Aleece,

       Congratulations to both of you.  :)(: We're sure you'll enjoy your adventures.  Hope to see you in FL in the winter. 

Barry and Sue


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Bob Mahon on May 08, 2013, 09:21:14 pm
I have to agree with Ron. If I had my druthers, I'd choose to dispense with the roof antenna and ladder (I don't going up the anyway). I do like the slide though.
Other than that, sounds like you've got it wired (pun intended).
Enjoy in good health and maybe we'll see you on the road.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on May 08, 2013, 10:07:44 pm
Ron, I don't think I caught any pictures before of the new dinette seating.  I love the contrast in texture and pattern/color.  Great job!
Pictures of the dinette in the 2350 slideout would be of value to those considering it.  Maybe Earl will get some posted next rig coming off the line that way.

Regarding our interior color scheme....It just sort-of happened that way.
We liked the green interior but not dark green captian seats for fear they would clash with the gray exterior.
Later we replaced the green barrel chair with the captain seat but went gray to match the other two.
Then this past winter we switched the dinette cushions from cloth to leather.  They ran out of original 2007 gray so green was an alternate.
The cloth dinette trim (same as the original cushions) also matches the valances throughout so it's not out of place.  There is even some dark green vinyl in the valances which makes the dinette a perfect match.  It seems the cloth trim would take a beating better than vinyl anyway.

PS: I still have to get those galley drawers done before or first trip of the season.  But still working crazy hours.  I only need one good day to finish them.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Bob Mahon on May 08, 2013, 10:42:10 pm
Oh Ron, B!tch, b!tch, b!tch. We leave for yet another western trip on the 25th. Grand-daughter is getting married. Grand-daughter is getting married? Ohmigosh. Am I really that old?
But, thank God, not too old to enjoy this lifestyle (pre-Cancer screening shows NO markers. Pretty good since I smoke like a chimney).

Another post talks about miles per gallon. I'm too embarrased to join that because we get a consistent 9.5 towing.

These rigs are great.

BTW, although I'm not a big fan of green, your Phoenix looks pretty good. Whoda thunk?

Lastly, I'm still waiting for pics of your new drawers (the ones in the Phoenix).

Lastly (again), we'll be passing through IL on 80 - how far are you from there?).

Lastly (finally), yes, I'm drinking again (hear that Jack?).


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on May 08, 2013, 10:54:23 pm
9.5 mpg with a 2552 towing is exceptional!

The green interior was my wife's doing.  I take no credit.....or responsibility for that matter.

We are an hour north of I-80

Regarding my drawers (wood, not cloth) I got so close to completing the project before the OT kicked in...it figures....Bch, bch, bch   roflol

Enjoy your trip!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Bob Mahon on May 09, 2013, 07:13:20 am
Thanks.

Regarding the mileage, I believe smoothing the airflow behind the Phoenix has something to add that wouldn't necessarily happen if it was a regular cabover Class C. That and I drive pretty easy, seldom seeing more than 65.

Work the time while you can (and while you're healthy).

Bob


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: BarbRN on May 30, 2013, 01:24:36 pm
Just picking up our new to us 2010 2551 tomorrow. We are leaving a class A Winnebago and this should be a size challenge for me. Where does everybody put a garbage can?  Will have lots more questions soon.
Barbara and Gordon
Central Florida.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Bergie on May 30, 2013, 01:34:18 pm
I am a brand new RV-er and I am in the process of purchasing a 2007 PC 2551.  The inside is like new and it only has 13,500 or so miles on it.  I had to drive 344 miles to see it and check it out and it should be ready in a week or so.  I would like to know if I can get an owner's manual for it.  Since I am new to it I have been devouring everything I can on line to learn about the ins and outs of how things work and what maintenance I should be doing, etc.  For instance, for the fresh water tanks, add a proper amount of bleach, run the faucets one at a time until I smell the bleach, then drain the tank, put fresh water back in and run the faucets until bleach can no longer be detected in the faucets.  The instructions I saw said to use a quarter cup of bleach per 10 gallons, I think.  Is there any where I can go to get all of these maintenance tips in one spot or do I just have to find my way around system by system?  I'm looking forward to being able to participate with the forum and hope  soon I won't have just questions but can contribute my experiences also as I am headed north for the summer!  Going to get out of the Phoenix summer heat!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on May 30, 2013, 02:31:41 pm
I understand you Bergie.  Our PC is our first fully self-contained motor home.  I had a little anxiety with it all until I started the hands-on experience.  It is NOT hard at all.

I would call the factory.  They may be able to mail or email you a copy of the owners manual.  My 2007 copy is very basic.  All it really provided was the peace of mind that I wasn't missing anything.

Sanitizing the plumbing in the spring and winterizing the plumbing and waste for cold winter is where it gets serious.  But living in a warm Arizona winter, even that is a breeze.  The rest is more straight forward and forgiving.

I use a little more bleach in the spring than recommended, closer to a half-gallon to a full water tank.  It takes some good flushing and a few days of use before the chlorine smell is near gone.  We mostly drink bottled water anyway.  Smelling like a swimming pool after the first or maybe second shower is easily tollerated.  Better safe than sorry.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on May 30, 2013, 02:35:40 pm
BarbRN,

Congrats!

Most people place the garbage can under the sink in that cabinet.  But we like our coffee maker there as designed so we have a free standing can we place below the fridge in our no-slide 2350.  You get a glimps of it in this picture, the stainless steel box behind the dinette bench.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8243/8462452067_6ee0b775a2_z.jpg)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: BarbRN on May 30, 2013, 02:46:41 pm
I am a brand new RV-er and I am in the process of purchasing a 2007 PC 2551.  The inside is like new and it only has 13,500 or so miles on it.  I had to drive 344 miles to see it and check it out and it should be ready in a week or so.  I would like to know if I can get an owner's manual for it.  Since I am new to it I have been devouring everything I can on line to learn about the ins and outs of how things work and what maintenance I should be doing, etc.  For instance, for the fresh water tanks, add a proper amount of bleach, run the faucets one at a time until I smell the bleach, then drain the tank, put fresh water back in and run the faucets until bleach can no longer be detected in the faucets.  The instructions I saw said to use a quarter cup of bleach per 10 gallons, I think.  Is there any where I can go to get all of these maintenance tips in one spot or do I just have to find my way around system by system?  I'm looking forward to being able to participate with the forum and hope  soon I won't have just questions but can contribute my experiences also as I am headed north for the summer!  Going to get out of the Phoenix summer heat!

I think the manuals are available on this site.  Good luck.  We are not new to RVing so if I can help in any way, let me know.  We are new to the Phoenix though.  We both are getting the same model.  Keep in touch!  Good luck.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: BarbRN on May 30, 2013, 02:51:41 pm
9.5 mpg with a 2552 towing is exceptional!

The green interior was my wife's doing.  I take no credit.....or responsibility for that matter.

We are an hour north of I-80

Regarding my drawers (wood, not cloth) I got so close to completing the project before the OT kicked in...it figures....Bch, bch, bch   roflol

Enjoy your trip!

Your wife did well, I LOVE the green.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: BarbRN on May 30, 2013, 02:53:02 pm
BarbRN,

Congrats!

Most people place the garbage can under the sink in that cabinet.  But we like our coffee maker there as designed so we have a free standing can we place below the fridge in our no-slide 2350.  You get a glimps of it in this picture, the stainless steel box behind the dinette bench.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8243/8462452067_6ee0b775a2_z.jpg)

We have a sofa, not dinette so I'm wondering if I have that spot to work with :(


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on May 30, 2013, 03:10:50 pm
First off--Welcome to the Forum and Congrats on your PC's  y-- y-- y--

You know, I can't remember where we put our garbage can when we had a 2551 (or the 2350 for that matter). That's what happens when you age!!!I believe that it was a freestanding one like Ron's. We now have a 2910 and our garbage can is beside the door. We take the trash out at least once a day so nothing sits and smells.

I guess something is wrong with us 'cause we are heading to Arizona from Florida at the end of July--by way of Colrado Springs, Mesa Verde Nat'l Park, Arches NP, Canyonlands NP, Moab,Grand Canyon NP and arriving in Phoenix on Sept. 2. I am not looking forward to the heat but we are looking forward to visiting the daughter and grandson. Then down to Tucson, Karcher Caverns and home to Florida. Should be an interesting trip. Never been West in the PC.

Judi


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: BarbRN on June 02, 2013, 12:21:52 am
We took delivery today.  I drove it home in the rain, piece of cake.  How nice!  We're so excited.   heartshower


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 2 Frazzled on June 02, 2013, 07:18:31 am
Congratulations! We have had its one month and are loving it. Enjoy!




Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: yankeeflyer on June 03, 2013, 08:17:42 am
Hi,We are Rick & Leslie owners of a,new to us, 2008 PC 2551 We downsized from a 38ft fifth wheel and are looking forward to a more leisurely way of life.Our home base will be in Satsuma,Florida.Hope to meet other PC owners down the road.(http://images.craigslist.org/3Ed3G23Nc5F55J35Mdd4ue8e3f3348fde1638.jpg)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on June 03, 2013, 08:39:22 am
Welcome Rick and Leslie,
Congrats on your PC--I know that you will love it!!  y-- y-- y--

Is that photo that you posted the Portland Head Light? We were in PEI with our 2551 in 2011, our 2350 in 2010 and plan to be back there next summer in our 2910--George has many relatives on the Island. Maybe you are a relative--you know they are all related in some way up there roflol

Safe travels and hope to see you in Florida

Judi and George


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: yankeeflyer on June 03, 2013, 08:56:47 am
Thank you!That lighthouse is Cape Neddick in York,Maine.We owned a home on PEI up until last year.We have many friends there and hope to take the PC for a trial run over the bridge by the end of the month.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: NHWanderlust on June 03, 2013, 02:24:40 pm
Hi,We are Rick & Leslie owners of a,new to us, 2008 PC 2551 We downsized from a 38ft fifth wheel and are looking forward to a more leisurely way of life.Our home base will be in Satsuma,Florida.Hope to meet other PC owners down the road.(http://images.craigslist.org/3Ed3G23Nc5F55J35Mdd4ue8e3f3348fde1638.jpg)

At the Nuble, York Maine. Thats my stomping ground!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: NHWanderlust on June 03, 2013, 02:28:12 pm
"The Cape Neddick Lighthouse stands on Nubble Island about 100yd (90m) off Cape Neddick Point. It is commonly known as Nubble Light or simply The Nubble. Cape Neddick Point is at the north end of Long Sands Beach in the village of York Beach. The lighthouse is inaccessible to the general public, but the nearby mainland is occupied by Sohier Park which offers a telescope with which to view the lighthouse and a gift shop with a "Nubble" theme."


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carolp495 on June 03, 2013, 03:02:53 pm
First off--Welcome to the Forum and Congrats on your PC's  y-- y-- y--

You know, I can't remember where we put our garbage can when we had a 2551 (or the 2350 for that matter). That's what happens when you age!!!I believe that it was a freestanding one like Ron's. We now have a 2910 and our garbage can is beside the door. We take the trash out at least once a day so nothing sits and smells.

I guess something is wrong with us 'cause we are heading to Arizona from Florida at the end of July--by way of Colrado Springs, Mesa Verde Nat'l Park, Arches NP, Canyonlands NP, Moab,Grand Canyon NP and arriving in Phoenix on Sept. 2. I am not looking forward to the heat but we are looking forward to visiting the daughter and grandson. Then down to Tucson, Karcher Caverns and home to Florida. Should be an interesting trip. Never been West in the PC.


I will be very interested in the details of your trip west and the weather. I wish we following behind you out there, that is on our list of trips but not sure when it will happen.

We tried to camp in St. Augustine and Ocala last week but between the heat, humidity, mosquitos, deer flies, and rain we pulled up stakes and headed back south. We can get that abuse (minue the deer flies) with leaving home  roflol !!!

If we don't speak with you before .... Have a great safe trip, stay cool, and have fun !

Carol & Vince

ps .... we stored our garbarge can in our 2350 behind the drivers seat and our slide, perfect little spot and it was not really noticable.



Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: yankeeflyer on June 03, 2013, 05:47:40 pm
"The Cape Neddick Lighthouse stands on Nubble Island about 100yd (90m) off Cape Neddick Point. It is commonly known as Nubble Light or simply The Nubble. Cape Neddick Point is at the north end of Long Sands Beach in the village of York Beach. The lighthouse is inaccessible to the general public, but the nearby mainland is occupied by Sohier Park which offers a telescope with which to view the lighthouse and a gift shop with a "Nubble" theme."

Ayahhh,can't get thhhere  from hhhere!!!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: BarbRN on June 03, 2013, 10:27:38 pm
Hi,We are Rick & Leslie owners of a,new to us, 2008 PC 2551 We downsized from a 38ft fifth wheel and are looking forward to a more leisurely way of life.Our home base will be in Satsuma,Florida.Hope to meet other PC owners down the road.(http://images.craigslist.org/3Ed3G23Nc5F55J35Mdd4ue8e3f3348fde1638.jpg)

At the Nuble, York Maine. Thats my stomping ground!

Congratulations, you got a great one, we had our eye on it too but had a trade in here in Florida.  Good luck, maybe we'll run into each other...well, not literally.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: yankeeflyer on June 04, 2013, 06:25:54 am
Congrats on yours too,Barb! We'll keep an eye out for you on the road,Leslie is a retired RN also.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: BarbRN on June 04, 2013, 02:11:12 pm
Congrats on yours too,Barb! We'll keep an eye out for you on the road,Leslie is a retired RN also.

That's cool, wish we could meet up.  We might take ours for a night at Wikiva maybe next week.  Looking for a place with full hook ups  just for a test night.  Any suggestions?  Central Florida?


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: yankeeflyer on June 04, 2013, 03:17:03 pm
We stayed at Willow Lakes RV & Golf Resort in Titusville last winter.It's real nice with pool and close to beaches,etc.Alternatively I've added a link to a campground map that we find usefull. http://www.epgsoft.com/CampgroundMap/ (http://www.epgsoft.com/CampgroundMap/) 


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: cccFL on June 06, 2013, 09:16:15 pm
I am a new member who is about to order my first RV - a PC 2350.   I am interested in all the expert advice, ideas and suggestions offered on this Forum and know I will have LOTS of questions in the months ahead.  Right now I am trying to decide if I should travel to the factory before ordering or wait until the RV is ready and I can pick it up.  I live in Flrida, so cannot make two trips - much as I would like to!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on June 07, 2013, 12:22:37 am
I am a new member who is about to order my first RV - a PC 2350.
Welcome!

You got connected at the right time, before ordering your PC.

You will get a variety of opinions on the slide out, and the 2350 in general.

We've owned a 2350 since 2007 which has no slide out and we love that about it, but most people love the current-day slide out which includes the fridge & a couch.  Admittedly the rear corner bed is not ideal, but if you want to sleep together as a couple on a permanent bed and need a short rig, that is the trade-off.

We love the thermal window option to control heat on hot days, cold on cold days, and is more quiet inside whether on the road or in a noisy campsite or roadside.

The only feature I literally hate is the roof top antenna, something I would "never" get again.  Since the country went digital the year after our purchase, the antenna is rediculous to set up.  After a half hour of pointing then scanning, pointing elsewhere then scanning again, we always give up.  That is worth the trouble only if you never move your motor home.  We love both our TVs with DVD players, and the RV is cable ready for when campsites offer CATV.  Between DVD entertainment and CATV, that is plenty.  Our roof could do without so many holes and the 1.5 pounds of caulk.  That roof top space would be much better utilized with a large solar panel.  Not to mention the rattling the antenna does while driving.  Honestly I don't understand why that antenna is still being installed.

As you can tell, I have a real problem with the antenna.  :)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: yankeeflyer on June 07, 2013, 06:39:19 am
I am a new member who is about to order my first RV - a PC 2350.   I am interested in all the expert advice, ideas and suggestions offered on this Forum and know I will have LOTS of questions in the months ahead.  Right now I am trying to decide if I should travel to the factory before ordering or wait until the RV is ready and I can pick it up.  I live in Flrida, so cannot make two trips - much as I would like to!
Welcome new  member! I'm sure you'll be happy with your decision to purchase a PC as you'll find lot's of helpfull info here on the forums.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on June 07, 2013, 07:06:17 am
Firstly, welcome to the Forum and it looks as if we will have another PC in Florida!!!

I totally disagree with Ron about the antenna. It is NOT a pain to set up, does not take long at all and the reception that we have encountered is great with the Winegard antenna. We bought a satellite receiver to take with us when we got our 2350-paid $800-and have never used it!!! That said, a couple of other points:

Our first PC was a 2350 Sprinter without a slide. It was our 2nd RV--we had an Class B for a year before. If we were to do it all over again, we would have ordered it with the slide. More comfort.

I agree with Ron regarding the insulated glass in the windows. It really cuts down the outside noise as well as keeping the MH cooler/warmer (depending). We have had them in all 3 of our PCs.

When we ordered our first PC, we did not go to the factory. We ordered it over the phone/internet. No regrets at all. We had it delivered to Atlanta and we picked it up there. We brought it home to Punta Gorda and had really no problems on the trip home--it did need an alignment which PC tooke care of. The next year, when we ordered our 2551 without the slide, we picked up the 2551 in Tampa. Again, no problems! Last year, we did drive the 2551 to Elkhart to trade it in on the 2910. If we lived closer, things would have been different. We might think differently, if we had problems with the vehicle after pick up.

For us, we made two mistakes by ordering without the slide. Now, we have our 2910 with only one slide in the living area and twin beds in the back and love it.

Phoenix USA is a really great Co. to deal with. Theuir customer service is excellant!

Judi


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on June 07, 2013, 08:59:11 am
I totally disagree with Ron about the antenna. It is NOT a pain to set up, does not take long at all and the reception that we have encountered is great with the Winegard antenna.
I wonder why we have totally different experiences with the antenna.  What am I doing wrong?  How do you get it right the first time you scan?  Scanning once can take around 15 minutes.  After the second try 30 minutes later, we lower the antenna and put in a DVD.

Maybe it is the places we stay.....too remote or too many trees, rocks, etc. for digital signaling.  Admittedly we don't stay in heavily populated areas.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Barry-Sue on June 07, 2013, 09:00:14 am
Quote
I am a new member who is about to order my first RV - a PC 2350.

Welcome to the forum!!

Our first motorhome was a 2008 2350 - we had a travel trailer for 5 years prior.  We chose the 2350 (with slide) for its length and what we thought we would be comfortable with traveling across the country.  We owned it for three years and now have a 2012 2551.

Being that we lived it in for three to four months at a time we found the 2350 too small for our needs.  The corner bed was not ideal for us and storage for cold and warm season clothing was lacking.  The bathroom seemed to shrink day by day.

We love our 2551 (with slide).  We are very comfortable for months at a time and storage for everything is ideal for us.

We also disagree with Ron about the antenna.  We have no noise rattling on the roof when we drive and we use the antenna all the time.  Many times we do not even have to extend it and get an excellent TV signal.  The only time we do not get a signal is if we are in a very rural/remote area.  Also, many people forget to scan their TV for signals when they move to a different area.  That is the first thing I do when we get somewhere.  Turn the TV on, position and turn on the antenna, scan for channels and by the time I have everything else set up we can watch TV.

We have the insulated windows as well.

We also did not require any extra seating besides the couch so we opted to have extra cabinets built into the 2350 instead of the barrel chair that PC used to install.  In our 2551 we had both the passenger chair and drivers seat swivel.  Remember, PC will try to accomodate your requests so think of everything you want prior to ordering.  Don't limit yourself to the options in the model you are looking at.


Hopefully you have had a chance to walk through a few of the models in FL before you order.  Or travel to Elkhart, order your PC and have them deliver to you.

Sue


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Barry-Sue on June 07, 2013, 09:38:55 am
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Scanning once can take around 15 minutes.

Scanning is the function of the TV - Maybe the model TV that you have in the 2007 is inherently slow in scanning.

Sue


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: echo11 on June 07, 2013, 10:20:53 am
We have  a 2011 2350 w/out slide.  Although we are currently in the process of selling ours, it is not because we are unhappy.  If anyone wants to see ours, it is at Marty's USRV in Berkley, MA.  Our circumstances have changed and we are in the process of moving soon.  Having less to worry now about just works better for us.
We are/ were very pleased with our choice of the 2350 with no slide.  Not having a slide was less mechanical parts to worry about about.  We never found the bed to be a problem.  The bathroom is big enough.  The whole RV was big enough for us and was extremely easy to drive.  We also took Ron's advice and went with the insulated windows.  We did feel it made a difference.  We never had a problem with the antenna.  We like the dinette set up.
Good luck with your search.
Roni
 


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Barry-Sue on June 07, 2013, 10:48:31 am
Here are pictures of our swivel front seats in our 2012 2551 and the extra cabinet Phoenix added to our 2008 2350.

(http://www.phoenixusarv.com/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=681.0;attach=2141;image)

(http://www.phoenixusarv.com/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=158.0;attach=1898;image)


Barry


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on June 07, 2013, 12:14:45 pm
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Scanning once can take around 15 minutes.
Scanning is the function of the TV - Maybe the model TV that you have in the 2007 is inherently slow in scanning.
Interesting.  The main TV in our PC is a digital Samsung that I bought in 2007 from Abt.  In the past year we bought two new Seki TVs from Sears, and they both take the same 15 minutes scanning for channels.  Maybe they take longer than 15 minutes.

How do you know where to point the antenna before scanning?  Does your TV have a built-in signal strength meter?  None of our flat panel digital TVs have such a feature, but the analog-to-digital converters for our old tube TVs did, I suppose to help position the rabbit ears before scanning for channels.  I think that feature would be the answer to my antenna complaint.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: yankeeflyer on June 07, 2013, 12:25:16 pm
Ron,
   Try this website to help you find the location of your local stations.Click on the station to get the compass direction. http://transition.fcc.gov/mb/engineering/maps/  (http://transition.fcc.gov/mb/engineering/maps/)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on June 07, 2013, 12:29:57 pm
cccfl,
If you are anywhere near Punta Gorda and would like to take a look at our PC, feel free to PM us.

Judi


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Barry-Sue on June 07, 2013, 12:38:32 pm
Ron,

   Using one of these methods seem to work:
       1.  If in a campground where others are all ready setup I just look to see how their antennas are positioned and I do the same
       2.  If no one is around I point the antenna to the largest metro area that is closest
       3.  The webiste that yankeeflyer just posted is a great resource  http://transition.fcc.gov/mb/engineering/maps/

Sue     


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on June 07, 2013, 03:12:02 pm
During our next trip out west, I will have to give these tips a better try.  Thanks all.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: GoPhoenix on June 08, 2013, 11:15:14 am
Ron,
   Try this website to help you find the location of your local stations.Click on the station to get the compass direction. http://transition.fcc.gov/mb/engineering/maps/  (http://transition.fcc.gov/mb/engineering/maps/)

A big "Help" for you.  This great info!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: bobander on June 09, 2013, 04:38:50 pm
During our next trip out west, I will have to give these tips a better try.  Thanks all.

Ron,

Does your PC have the antenna amplifier wall plate in the cabinet next to the TV, and are you turning it on?  On mine it has to be on for antenna and off for cable.

Bob


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on June 09, 2013, 10:55:27 pm
Bob, Yes I have the booster where you describe.  You ask a very good question about on/off.  Next time I get our PC out from the valley here at home, maybe drive it to work, I will test the antenna....making sure the red light is on, and the antenna pointed towards the Sears/Willis tower. 


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: bookspook on June 13, 2013, 12:48:07 pm
Hi everybody,

I'm thinking about getting a new rig and am researching what might be the best fit for me. I'm wanting to follow the recommendations in ron dittmer's famous (or infamous) :-D tutorial on fiberglass cap, etc.  I'm trying to get something that would be easier to maintain, drive and use as I am in my early 60's now and suspect that these things will only get harder as time goes on plus I travel with a friend, 2 parrots and 4 cats  pyho which makes floorplan choice important......litterbox and cage placement.

Sooo, I'm going to have a lot of questions and will need some measurements that I hope some of you will be willing to answer, and I think you will, because you seem like such a nice, friendly bunch here.  I've followed gradygal through their 3 Rvs and Barry-Sue through their changes and ron.dittmer through his suspension saga.  I've read every (and I mean every) single thread in this forum.  Does that mean that I can get a gold star by my name? :lol

Thanks,

Marcia


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on June 13, 2013, 12:56:44 pm
Welcome Marcia,

Wow, you've done a whole lot of reading.  Would you settle for....  (balloons).  I am sure people here will be happy to share dimensions.  Ask your questions here.

Here are my thoughts.
With a human companion, four cats and two parrots in a cage, consider a 2552 or 3100.  If you decide to buy a brand new PC, the factory may be able to accomodate a special place for your bird cage between the entry door and passenger seat, and kitty potties under the cage.  You might also consider having the front aerodynamic cap finished "open" as a loft for the kitties to hang out.  You could later create within the loft, a multi-level kitty loft if your kitties need more personal space.  I've heard the factory can make that area a single bunk for a large child.  They don't cut the roof of the van, making it quite a nice open space area.  Of coarse the TV goes elsewhere and you loose those two side cabinets.  You also would need to watch your head getting in and out from the front seats as is common with other motor homes.

I do wonder if the TV could still go there, just let the kitties claim the space behind it.
I also wonder if a slideout would help or hurt with kitty access to the loft.  Someone with those PC models would have to provide input on that.

Blessings,
Ron Dittmer


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on June 13, 2013, 01:04:56 pm
Welcome Marcia--               (w)

Wow!!! 4 Cats and 2 parrots--I can see why space will be important to you. Ask away. We are always ready to put our 2 cents in>>>>

No matter what floorplan, once you decide, you will love your PC.

Judi


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 2 Frazzled on June 13, 2013, 04:45:29 pm
We are fairly new owners of a 2552 with only one cat. We have the litter box in the bathroom set in front of the shower door and are already on our second box due to a good size cat trying to hit a too-small target. One miss and we got a bigger box. We saw a nice "corner" box with high sides that would have fit beautifully but it was gone before we got back for it. My measurements say we may be able to get away with an 15x15" triangular box and MAYBE 18x18... if we can find one again. We slide the existing box out of the way when we shower and the box of clean litter fits nicely between the toilet and the wardrobe. I think it will fit in the bottom of the linen closet also but my better half likes it to be more accessible. I keep a little camping whisk broom with dustpan between the sink and shower for quick cleanups of escaped litter.

I also read a post either on this forum or another where they put the litter box in the foot well of the passenger seat. That area is carpeted in our rig so I'm leery of that but we may be buying those heavy rubber floor mats so the box may be moving during longer stays. When I pivot the seat, the area is pretty well hidden.

As for the TV, it would be nice and warm behind it but it would be very tight for kitties. I agree with Ron that a critter space behind the passenger seat might be just the thing. You would probably have to forego the Euro-chair but I'm sure it would be do-able. Another possible kitty spot is under the driver side twin bed. We copied someone else's upgrade and had Phoenix install cabinet doors for easy access (standard access is by lifting the bed board - easy enough but I'm lazy). If you had Phoenix cut the openings then left them without doors (or got doors to install later if desired) then your kitties would have a very nice hiding spot. You lose storage though.  The same idea might work for under the dinette seat (big, beautiful drawer that we don't have in the 2552).

I also agree with Judi - I'm sure you'll love your PC as much as we love ours. The hardest part of having one is waiting until you get to go play in it again. Good luck on your decision. By the way, I see a gold star by your name. 


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on June 13, 2013, 10:58:21 pm
Another possible kitty spot is under the driver side twin bed.
I figured having the litter box under a bed would be too close for comfort.

I thought the kitty liter would be best as far from the sleeping quarters as possible.  Having a Fantastic fan most forward or even directly above that Euro-chair area turned bird cage & litter might be effective.  With the right windows open, the fan could draw odors away from the living quarters and offer the top/front kitty loft some good fresh cool air ventilation.

Just throwing ideas out there.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 2 Frazzled on June 14, 2013, 05:39:35 am
Sorry, Ron, I wasn't clear. I didn't mean to put the litter box under the bed. I meant to use it for kitty bed/hidey spot. Our cat's hidey spot is on the twin bed under the shirt closet. We put clear command hooks on the shirt closets since we like to hang our jammies near the bed during the day. The jammies hang almost to the bed which creates a nice "cave" under that cabinet. Once she chose her spot, we threw her blanket back there to mark the territory. She prefers Johns's side (yesssssssssss!) so HE gets yelled at during the night if his feet stray into her space. Marcia has four cats so she may need a bigger hidey spot. Under the bed might do it.

We also asked Phoenix to skip the fan in the bedroom and put that second fantastic fan in the bath. That will help draw the litter smell straight up and away. However, with the box right there it gets scooped quickly so that should help with the odor too. Besides, we two-legged critters can be stinky too so all that stink is in the same zone and the box is out of view of guests.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on June 14, 2013, 11:47:20 am
Having a Fantastic Fan in a rear bathroom is a great idea.  It will move much more air than the wimpy one typically installed.  Even with all windows closed up for security, air can be drawn in from the front dash area and move toward the rear.  Odors never get a chance to penetrate forward into the rest of the house.

And that is one less big hole in your roof.  One fan doing the job of two.  I like it.   2o2


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 2 Frazzled on June 14, 2013, 01:27:30 pm
The credit goes to Tom Hanlon. He suggested it, we requested it, and Phoenix accommodated us, as usual. An additional benefit is a nice, dark bedroom. You close the door to the bathroom, close the door curtain thing to the forward area, pull down the awesome window blinds and you have instant night even in the middle of the day. We haven't tried it with the fan cranked high but it works fine with the fan on low since there is space above the door for the air to pull through.

I think if you put that fan on high and closed the bathroom door, it might just levitate anyone sitting on the head.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Bergie on July 01, 2013, 06:57:24 pm
I am the proud new owner of a 2007 2551 PC!  I just drove it back from San Diego to Glendale, AZ yesterday.  Today I got it titled and registered with new AZ plates.  I picked it up on Saturday with my son and grandson so I had someone to drive my car back.  I got a great deal on it and they are so hard to find out here used.  It only has 13,500 miles on it and we camped in it on Saturday night and got familiar with some of the workings and I have a list of things that need to be fixed or replaced but I love it!  I already have searched through the forum and found answers to some of my questions but I have more!  I put brand new tires on it as soon as I got it but I need valve extenders for the rear.  The original Michelin's were almost 7 years old and although the tread looked like new, the cracks everywhere were not good for driving in 120 degree temps across the desert yesterday.  I'm looking forward to a long and happy relationship with my PC and this group!

Linda Berg
aka Bergie


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Barry-Sue on July 01, 2013, 07:10:27 pm
 (w)

Enjoy your new PC!!!


Barry and Sue


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on July 02, 2013, 07:52:08 am
We welcome you to the Forum! Enjoy the PC--we know you will!

Judi and George ;)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: BarbRN on July 02, 2013, 08:45:59 am
Bergie, congratulations.  We just had our first trip in our 2551 too.  Little things to work out but we love it.

Hope you find many happy  miles ahead.   ;)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Bergie on July 02, 2013, 10:17:13 am
Thank you!  I have a brother up in Oregon whom I am going to go see in a month and he has been an RV person for about 3 decades now and I have a list of the things I am going to have him address.  He has owned a Camper, a B, an A, and now uses either his 5th wheel or his camper.  If it can be done to an RV, he has done it.  I just wish he wasn't over a thousand miles away, wait, maybe I do!  Gives me a great excuse for a nice long trip!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Pax on July 31, 2013, 10:09:44 am
Greetings!

In another 8-10 weeks my wife (Joni) and I will be the proud owners of our very first RV; a 2014 PC 2552!

We've spent the last 6 months or so researching different makes and models using a variety of resources and finally settled on a PC, in large part to the great folks on this forum....so thank you! We haven't been to the factory, but did drive down to the L.A. area to look at a used 2552 in person.  The quality was exactly what we expected, after reading so many comments (even from non-PC owners) about how well designed and manufactured they are.

The unit we specified is Sunlit interior and exterior with some 'popular' options:
Cherry cabinets and wood floors, Ultra leather power sofa, Full body paint, Insulated glass, Drivers power seat, Awning, Premium convenience package (minus standard Penguin a/c), 19" bedroom TV, Surround sound/DVD, Compass/Temp mirror, Backup Monitor, Satellite dish, 2nd Fan, HWH leveling jacks.

A few custom options:
50 amp electrical service (overkill, probably?)
Surge Guard hard-wired (w/remote power LCD monitor)
Coleman Mach 8 15,500btu a/c (again, overkill?)
Satellite radio (we love music)
Bathroom sink cover

We will probably spend the first few months getting used to driving and setting up the rig locally in the Napa/Sonoma area parks, Lake Tahoe and Mt. Shasta area, eventually branching out to San Diego, Arizona and Washington before hopefully making our way further east into the rest of the country next year. We have two cute and well behaved Pomeranians (Cooper and Lina) who will be traveling with us, so this is going to be quite a new adventure for us.

We are both "foodies" and love all kinds of music and wine.  I enjoy cooking, playing guitar, fishing and trail riding. Joni is the resident gardener (wondering if we can plant an herb garden on the PC roof :-) and loves to paint, knit, explore and is learning to play the Ukulele.  We are both pretty handy and will probably get into making some of our own alterations as some of you have done.

I'm sure we will be asking lots of very basic questions here, probably fairly humorous since we've never driven an RV for any meaningful length of time or hooked up power/water and such.  We will also try to put up some useful info for others to use as we go along. 

Thanks again for all the great info you've all posted here!

 - Mike


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: KB9OMH on July 31, 2013, 10:43:17 am
Mike,
      50 amp is not over kill. That said you will be glade to have the 50 amps on a very hot day and you can run the AC, Ele. Water Heater, and the Microwave all at the same time. I have 50 amp in my 3100 and love it. I didn't get the internal surge guard, mine is addon at post. I was going to get the 2nd fan until I found out it was only going to ba about $200 different for the extra AC in the bed room, We love it. The bed room is darker and we can run the fan only with the windows open or just the AC. Don't know if your unit is hard wired or uses the adapter on the outside, mine has the adapter and I made up extra cords for 30 an 20 amps so I don't have to use the dog bone adapter. I like the extra you addedto your and we have most of them but not all. Love the 3100 and I'm sure you will love yours also. Happy traveing. Hope you see you down the road.

Jim & Rae Anne


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: BGolden on July 31, 2013, 10:51:33 am
 (w) Pax and Bergie to the Phoenix family,

I'm sure you'll enjoy your MH, and arranging things to how you like them, so that a year from now you can rearrange again, and again.

I'm sure you will get a few great ideas from other owners here in the forum.

Best of Luck, and Safe travels.

Bill G         :-D


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Barry-Sue on July 31, 2013, 12:00:01 pm
Mike and Joni

Welcome to the PC family.  When it comes to RV's if it is worth doing, it is worth over doing.


Barry and Sue


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on July 31, 2013, 05:44:27 pm
Mike and Joni:

 (w)

In our opinion, you have done it right!!! We went from the 2350 to the 2551. Should have started with the 2551 (the 2552 wasn't available at the time). We now have a 2910.

We have been travelling for 10 days now--We live on the west coast of Florida and I can honestly say that I have never been so hot in my life as in the last 10 days! It is now 104 in Vicksburg MS and the NOISY air conditioner is working it guts out. If that Coleman air conditioner is as quiet as reported, we should have opted for that. Hindsite is 20/20.

We are off to Dallas for 2 days and it is supposed to be just as hot!!! Can't wait to get to the mountains of Colorado-----

As Barry and Sue said---Welcome to the PC "family"

Judi and George



Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on July 31, 2013, 06:11:40 pm
Welcome Mike & Joni to the PC family.

We look forward to hearing of any factory deviations, and post-delivery modifications.  I am especially curious about the supposedly quiet Coleman a/c unit.....how quiet it will be when you run it the first time.  Hopefully it's better than the advertised "Onan Quiet" generator.  We are left asking....Quiet as compared to what?  My El-Cheep-O lawn tractor is just as quiet.

While your rig is being built, you'll have to quickly spend some time on the forum here to gather ideas on what you might like the factory to do differently for you.  One such factory deviation you might contemplate is save the money on the temperature mirror and have the factory mount your backup camera there like I did this year on our 2007.  No more hitting my head on the monitor when getting in and out, and the monitor is right where I can see it best.  The mirror was good only for watching my wife tease me.  Since I did this mod, I am considering placing a mirror on the sun visor so the fun can continue.   :)

Best wishes,

Ron


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Shipper on July 31, 2013, 09:13:28 pm
Greetings!

In another 8-10 weeks my wife (Joni) and I will be the proud owners of our very first RV; a 2014 PC 2552!

A few custom options:
50 amp electrical service (overkill, probably?)
Surge Guard hard-wired (w/remote power LCD monitor)
Coleman Mach 8 15,500btu a/c (again, overkill?)
Satellite radio (we love music)
Bathroom sink cover

 - Mike

Welcome! If you get two A/Cs with the 50 amp then the units quietness is not as important because you can always run the A/C in the opposite part of the RV that you're occupying. I was very concerned about the noise with just one unit because we used to have a Lance slide-in on a Ford 350 and the 13.5 A/C was way to loud. We swore we would not have another RV without ducted air. Of course when you want a PC you have to give a little; my compromise was to have the 15K Mach 8 Coleman HP with two motors. On high setting both motors operate and it's somewhat loud, but when you switch to low it's quieter than some ducted units I've heard.

I agree that the 50 amp without two A/Cs would not be overkill, but I just wanted the lighter weight 30 amp power cord (smaller storage area). I definitely agree with Ron to have the monitor moved to the mirror location-my DW hits it a lot.
Good Luck with whatever you decide-the PC is a good choice!

One caveat: my hearing is not what it used to be-could account for the quiet A/C.  :-D


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Awilson on August 01, 2013, 07:11:47 am
Welcome home Mike and Joni!

You will ask, find and receive a wealth of information from all your cousins on the PC website. It has taken me a long time to fully utilize this forum as I got way too busy to explore it and understand what you can do here. Luckily, life is slowing down for us and we have the time to plan on when we can go play a lot more in our Cruiser! heartshower

You have chosen one of the best RV manufacturers I have ever known. I have had many RV's and I have had none offer the service and stand behind their product as well as PC. NONE! My wife and I have spent the last year going to RV shows and dealers trying to find something we like better than our PC and we continue to go back to the one we have. If and when we move to a bigger one it will most likely be another PC.

I know a lot of people on here have upgraded and personally customized their PC but I am not one of those. Tips and tricks is the forum for that. I pretty much stay to the really easy stuff that is within my capabilities! LOL!

Enjoy your new PC and a suggestion if I may. Take your cruiser to the nearest alignment shop when you get it loaded as there is no way for any RV dealer to align a vehicle that has never been loaded for travel. That load is up to you. Check it at a scale so you know what it weighs empty and loaded. Also maybe hang out close to the factory for while, if you have the time, so they can correct anything that got overlooked. Those guys there in the factory are super good and I would doubt you have any issues but it is always better to be safe then sorry. (exactly)

Happy and safe travels to you both. Maybe we will see each other on the road some day.

Alan and Diana


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Pax on August 01, 2013, 11:32:37 am
Thanks for the warm welcome and more great advice!

Glad to hear that we probably made some good decisions.  We had considered the trade-off with having a heavy 50 amp cable vs. the ability to operate appliances without too much worry.  Gotta get used to trade-offs, I guess.  :-) We do spend time in some pretty hot locations on occasion (Florida, Louisiana, Bakersfield, Scottsdale) and by the sounds of things a 15k unit should be reasonable. Decibel level on the Coleman....we'll have to see.

Putting the backup camera where the mirror would be sounds like a smart idea. Might just do that.  Though I'll probably wind up hitting my head on -something- anyway (GPS, ScanGauge, TPMS)

We had read quite a bit about weighing the MH unloaded and loaded, as well as checking alignment right away, and that's definitely on one of our many lists.  We've also learned that rv'ers use lots of lists, at least initially! 

Thanks again for the welcome and info. If any of you ever need any info about the Northern California area, just ask!

 - Mike


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on August 01, 2013, 01:05:36 pm
Putting the backup camera where the mirror would be sounds like a smart idea. Might just do that.  Though I'll probably wind up hitting my head on -something- anyway (GPS, ScanGauge, TPMS)
My ScanGuauge-II sits on top of the backup camera as seen here.  In the picture, you can see the scars from where the backup camera was previously mounted, in between the visors.  That was a consistent head-hitting location for me.  I couldn't remember it was there until the moment of impact.  It got to the point that I started using 4 letter words like "Dang".  The camera is better on the windshield anyway.  I turn it on and leave it on when driving.  It assures there isn't someone hiding behind me, following too close behind.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8228/8463546500_4ee91cd3bb_c.jpg)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Pax on August 01, 2013, 01:39:31 pm
Wow, nice Ron!  Kinda getting a bit off topic so I won't ask how you managed to run the ScanGauge cable down to the OBDII connector (which I'm guessing is somewhere under the dash or steering wheel?). Kinda hoping I feel more like a pilot than a driver, with all this electronic stuff!

 - Mike


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TomHanlon on August 01, 2013, 01:50:55 pm
Welcome to our merry little band.

In 2013 when we ordered our second PC, the backup monitor was part of the Mirror. I had them install the older style 4" monitor where Ron's use to be. I don't seem to hit it the way a lot of people do.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ksteve06 on August 01, 2013, 03:53:32 pm
We pick up our new PC next week, so sorry I don't have a better picture but we opted for the back up camera, GPS iPod, USB, sat radio and who knows what else option. I'm pretty sure it is the infotainment center that winnebago uses. It was a little expensive option, but I like having it all in one.

Steve


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on August 01, 2013, 04:40:43 pm
The ScanGauge cable down to the OBDII connector which I'm guessing is somewhere under the dash or steering wheel?
That OBD2 connector is located between the driver's knees down below.  Wiring it up is very simple, but best to have the factory route the cable for you side by side with the monitor cable which they are routing anyway.  The cable used is a standard computer internet cable called RJ45.  The factory should use one that is 8 feet long.  6 feet cuts it close.  You use the special 6 foot ScanGuage-II cable to connect only the last couple inches.  This way you can use the SG2 for other vehicles, along with not complicating matters with the factory.  I am sure they can do a simple request installing the 8 foot long RJ45 cable side by side with their backup camera cable.  Tell them to place a computer internet cable from the OBD2 connector to the center mirror and let it hang one foot at each end for you to finish the job.  If you change your mind about a ScanGuage-II, simply tuck the cable behind the headliner.  No harm in that.

This is a cheap generic computer internet cable, I recommend 8 feet long.
(http://www.advanced2000.com/mmTEST_SHOP/Images/100-foot%20RJ45%20Cable%20in%20Black.jpg)

This is the stock 6 foot ScanGuage-II cable
(http://www.carplugs.com/l_obd2cable_scangaugeII.jpg)

This is what you use to connect the two cables toegther.  The same connection is on both ends of the box.
(http://images2.opticsplanet.com/365-240-ffffff/opplanet-sports-radar-coup-rj45-rj45.jpg)

The SG2 cable stays bundled up, stored behind the driver kick panel.  Doing it as I recommend, the factory can buy a generic 8 foot long computer cable and install it without it getting complicated for them.  And you have the option to use the SG2 on other vehicles without buying another special SG2 cable.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Awilson on August 01, 2013, 07:53:40 pm
We pick up our new PC next week, so sorry I don't have a better picture but we opted for the back up camera, GPS iPod, USB, sat radio and who knows what else option. I'm pretty sure it is the infotainment center that winnebago uses. It was a little expensive option, but I like having it all in one.

Steve

Hey Steve,

Now I like this setup pretty well! I don't get out too often but when I do, I think I will try get one those. It appears to be an in dash nit. Is that correct?

Alan


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on August 02, 2013, 08:30:07 am
We pick up our new PC next week, so sorry I don't have a better picture but we opted for the back up camera, GPS iPod, USB, sat radio and who knows what else option. I'm pretty sure it is the infotainment center that winnebago uses. It was a little expensive option, but I like having it all in one.

Steve
Hey Steve,

Now I like this setup pretty well! I don't get out too often but when I do, I think I will try get one those. It appears to be an in dash nit. Is that correct?

Alan
Oh yes, the 2009-2014 chassis has the redesigned dashboard that you can mount a fancy thingy once called a radio that does all kinds of things.  That seems ideal.  The ScanGuage-II is surely a retro fit in any vehicle.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: wnc2551 on August 21, 2013, 04:36:03 pm
Hi everyone! We are Jerry and Judy, proud owners of a new-to-us 2007 PC 2551 and we are enjoying it! It has taken a while for us to get everything sorted out--and our work schedules have not been cooperating--but we have managed 2 trips since picking "her" up in late June. We are aiming for another 5-day trip in October with maybe a long weekend before then before we settle down for the winter. Our hope is to take 3-4 weeks next spring and head out west!

Our previous RV was a travel trailer so this is a big step for us. Reading the forum has been very helpful in learning the ins and outs of the PC.

We have made some mods (like everyone) such as upgrading the original 19" TV to bigger one; next up is replacing the DVD player and house batteries. One unexpected change was getting a new right front wheel; we discovered the old one was bent when we took it to a local truck tire place to get the wheels balanced. The new wheel and balancing does help some; probably will need to do the sway bar/shock upgrades we've read about to address the "wandering" issues when driving.

Two questions for you experienced owners:
1. The PC has 2 places on the roof where paint is peeling; it's near the sat dish and the antenna. Doesn't appear to affect the fiberglass (we have full body paint). Any recommendations on where to take it for repairs? We're considering the dealer where we bought it, but also are looking into local independent RV repair guys and maybe even people experienced in fiberglass repair (boat and Corvette repair folks).

2. There is a leak that seems to be coming from the entry door. It's been raining A LOT around here (60" so far this year--a record!). It doesn't appear to be an old leak. There is moisture on the carpet just to the left of the entry door (inside looking out) and behind the little fold-up table, and also leading down to the passenger footwell. Has anyone else experienced this? Suggestions?

We are loving the PC and looking forward to years of adventures with it. Thanks for all your adivise!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: rstng8 on August 23, 2013, 07:43:15 pm
 hi there
I am in my 70's and thinking of buying a 2350 or 2551.  This will be my first PC. My dilemma is, which one would be easier to drive and least amount of maintenance, a Diesel or a Ford. My concerns are driving in the wind and play in the steering which ford has been known for. It is very doubtful that I will ever be towing anything. Any comments that anyone may have on the choice of chassis would be appreciated.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on August 23, 2013, 09:00:47 pm
A question for you--

Are you travelling alone?? We have had both the 2350 Sprinter and the 2551. We found that the 2350 had better cockpit space. The corner bed was a real issue for us. We only kept it for a year so really can't comment about service issues.

When we had the 2551, we loved the twin beds.

Take a look at the 2552. That has more living space than the 2551.

You will be happy with whichever PC you choose.

Judi and George


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Bob Mahon on August 23, 2013, 09:15:28 pm
Having had a 2350, 2551 and now a 2552, I'd cast my vote for the 2552. They've all been on Ford chassis.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Barry-Sue on August 23, 2013, 09:56:47 pm
We have had a 2008 2350 and a 2012 2551 both Fords.  The 2350 had some handling issues especially in the wind and large trucks passing.  The 2551 has no issues with wind or passing trucks.  The length has very little to do with drivability except for the turning radius.  The corner bed was also an issue for us in the 2350.  We love our 2551 with the larger rear bath and even the twin beds.

When you get ready to order ask what other people have added or deleted from their PC's when ording from the factory.

Barry and Sue


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TomHanlon on August 24, 2013, 08:05:53 am
Welcome,
    Like Bob and Berry, we have had a 2010 2350 & a 2112 2552, both on the ford E450. Yes the 2350 Was ordered with the E450. The smaller size did mean we could park it almost anywhere a crew cab, Long bed pickup could park. The sleeping and the small bathroom where the issues for two people. I am 6 foot at 245 lbs. the layout with the twin beds and the larger bathroom work much better for us, More like the class A motorhomes we have had in the past but smaller and easier to drive in small towns and national parks. We prefer the back roads for exploring and the highways to get there in a hurry.

I recently changed the shocks and the steering dampner to the new stainless steel Bilsteins. the ride got a little firmer with a lot less steering issues. No problem with large trucks or cross winds now.



Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Bruce and Sharon on August 24, 2013, 12:28:08 pm
Hello,
The two of us have owned several RV's during the last 35 years and have found that individual preferences and circumstances make a big difference in deciding which RV would be best to own.  Ease of driving is certainly important, but size and floor plan can be critical factors.  
We've decided to share our experience in purchasing our current Phoenix Cruiser as a separate post in hopes that it can help you decide which model would be best for you.
You can find the post titled "Which model is best for us?"
--Bruce and Sharon


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: rstng8 on August 25, 2013, 06:21:39 pm
Hi!
All ideas sounds good and appears that experience is the best recommendation.  As this is my first time owning an RV,  I appreciate the comments, good to hear different ideas and reasons for the selections that were made. The 2551 certainly does have more space but 2350 sounds more convenient for my way of camping. In my readings it appears that Ford has several  modification that need to be made for ease of driving where as the Sprinter does not seem to need the modifications. Continuing on with the search for the perfect camper.  roflol


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TomHanlon on August 26, 2013, 07:59:50 am
In my readings it appears that Ford has several  modification that need to be made for ease of driving where as the Sprinter does not seem to need the modifications. Continuing on with the search for the perfect camper.  roflol

But for the $12,000.00 extra cost of the sprinter, you can do a lot of modifications to the Ford. My modifications cost me less than $700.00. Just some thing else to think about.

Welcome to our forum. :)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Bob Mahon on August 26, 2013, 08:19:42 am
I've had to do no modifications at all on our Ford base.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TomHanlon on August 26, 2013, 10:04:31 am
I didn't have to do any modifications, I just like to do them. I think the better shocks and steering dampener did help with making it more like a sports car. :-D


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Bob Mahon on August 26, 2013, 10:31:35 am
I suspect I'll have to replace the steering damper at about 20K miles. The OEM unit is a bit junky but I guess you can't expect too much from an item that has a replacement cost of $28.00 (I had to replace it on our 2350 because the guy installing the new tires damaged the seal with the jack and it was leaking - took all of 20 minutes).
A suspension specialist told me to not install a unit with a boot around the rod because it traps moisture and will bugger-up the rod. I guess the choice is either dust or moisture.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Denny & Barb on August 26, 2013, 01:01:17 pm
My 2350 didn't handle too well when I got it new.  Out of pocket to get it closer to a sports car didn't' cost that much. Most was covered by Ford.  Most bang for the buck was proper alignment to a plus camber. (see my posts on this). BTW the later year Fords do now come with heavier suspension components which means steering stabilizer and shocks may be OK as-is.  (See Fords website on E-350/450).


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: skipper on August 29, 2013, 04:33:33 pm
Hi everyone,

I purchased an used 2013 2552 from a dealer in CA last week.  The unit used to belong to a member here.  Anyway, last weekend I picked it up and drove it the 2030 miles from CA to FL.  This is our first RV and it will mainly be used for weekend trips to dog trials. 

A major requirement for our RV was that it must fit under our 9' 11 1/2" garage door.  Our criteria knocked out about 98% of motorhomes and 80% of all trailers.  As many of you know, the 2552 specs show it as 10' 1" at the top of the AC.  I am here to tell you that loaded with full fuel (gas and propane) and several gallons of water, our RV (with in motion satellite dish, the highest point) clears the door with a huge 1" to spare.  Whew!  I did have to take the in motion fantastic fan cover off, but it removed easily with 4 pins holding it on the roof.

I must say that this owner's group was a huge deciding factor in our purchase.  I spent a lot of time here before the purchase reading about the good, the bad and hardly any ugly.  I thank you all for participating in this forum and helping me and, I'm sure, countless others.

I had some issues arise during my transit and I'll post them in a different thread.

Thanks!  Mark & Kelli


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Pax on August 30, 2013, 12:17:32 am
"I must say that this owner's group was a huge deciding factor in our purchase.  I spent a lot of time here before the purchase reading about the good, the bad and hardly any ugly.  I thank you all for participating in this forum and helping me and, I'm sure, countless others."

DITTO!  (exactly)

......and WELCOME!

- Mike and Joni


Title: Re: Sprinter vs Ford
Post by: rstng8 on September 07, 2013, 05:13:23 pm
 hithere

Thanks everyone, some very interesting helpful information from everyone. I'm beginning to lean towards 2551 with all the comments, space I know will become a factor when your on the road for a Month or so. Yes, $12,000 extra for a sprinter will certainly allow many upgrades to a Ford. Also good thoughts that the newer models may have many of the problems taken care of, that was very interesting.

rstng8
Jan


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on September 12, 2013, 06:13:52 pm
the later year Fords do now come with heavier suspension components which means steering stabilizer and shocks may be OK as-is.  (See Fords website on E-350/450).
We own a 2007 E350, the last year before Ford's suspension improvements of current day.  When the change was introduced, I studied the suspension and brake specs to better understand what I missed out on.  I hope I have this accurate as it has been years since I reviewed the technical differences.  Use this just to get the idea.

Today's E350/E450 suspension was introduced in 2008, easily identified by the restyling of the front grill to what I call the industrial dump truck look.  2008 was a transition year in that it got the latest suspension and grill, but has the earlier oval/roundy dash board design.  2009 is the first full year of change and as far as I know, is the same for 2013.

There were 3 main areas of change.
1) styling
2) suspension
3) brakes

1) styling
- The front grill allows for more air to flow through the engine compartment
- The dash board added a glove box and accomodates an optional navigation system.
- The general layout is improved addressing issues such as the 12v outlets placed away from the gear shift selector
- The two entry doors got 2-tier storage pockets

2) suspension
- The E350 gets a rear stabilizer bar (all E350s from 2007 on back never got one)
- Both E350 & E450 get a better mounted front stabilizer bar
- Front suspension improved through minor adjustments of the upper & lower control arms
- Both E350 & E450 chassis weight ratings were increased though I can't recall what exactly changed to make it happen

3) brakes
This one has been debatable as to whether they were improved or simply cost reduced
- Rotors got a bit bigger in diameter with bigger matching brake pads
- Caliper piston diameters are a bit bigger
- The rotors are separate parts, not part of the hub like before.  Real heavy duty trucks with disk brakes have the hub and rotor as one cast part for best performance
- The E450 lost the industrial parking brake assembly just behind the transmission, I assume it now is like the E350 with the parking brake by the rear wheels.

My appologies in advance if I got some of this wrong, but I don't have time to refresh my memory to supply most accurate data.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Doneworking on September 16, 2013, 10:57:11 am
Well, after spending two years researching we bought a 2013 2350 Phoenix Cruiser (Ford).   We have owned a 2007 Roadtrek since it was new and have owned two other Cs and 2 other Bs over a period of thirty years.    We had decided to fly up to Chicago, get a car and come over and spec out a new 2350 but quite accidentally discovered one on Craig's List (which I almost never read).  Turned out it was a guy less than three miles from our house who had gotten into RVing three years ago and this Phoenix was his third unit while he tried to determine what best met their travel needs.  He had ordered out the 2350 with wood floors, slide, full body paint and some other things I would have loved to have but probably would not have ordered due to budget.   In any event, this baby has less than 7500 miles and was kept garaged at his place of business.   We picked it up and I spent one day going over all the systems in my driveway on a hot 93 degree day with humidity.  I can attest to this fact:  the AC works well!  We had other commitments last week out of town, so this week I will roll out the PC and detail it out, crawl around underneath and get more familiar with everything. 

I am sure we will really enjoy our new unit!  Incredibly, if you look at the footprint, a 2350 is only a foot longer than our Roadtrek 210 and only 5 inches wider (using the specs from both RT and PC websites).  The difference in room is amazing, particularly with the slide.   We look forward to a dry bath and a bed as well as the larger tanks because we boondock most of the time.

Now, if I can just figure out all those switches................... roflol


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Pax on September 16, 2013, 11:54:26 am
Congrats....and welcome!

When ya figure out all the switches, let me know!  :lol

- Mike


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 2travel on September 26, 2013, 09:58:46 am
HI Phoenix Cruiser Travelers,

Linda and I bought our 2006 used 2100 at the factory in June.  I grew up in Elkhart and retired to Mt Juliet Tennessee in 2008.  We plan to tour Florida and the Keys this January and February and the western parks to Glacier National Park in the spring and summer.  After that, upper Michigan and the north east to the maritime provinces.  Oh yes, a Phoenix Rally as soon as possible. 

We have a son in Indianapolis and a daughter in Tuscaloosa Alabama, so we are half way between them.   This makes it easy to check on the three grand children.

We live in a Del Webb 55 and over community.  There is always something going on here but we still find time to travel.

I look forward to chatting and meeting.  I have much to learn about RVing.  Sincerely,  Steve Bowser
 




     


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on September 26, 2013, 10:26:38 am
Welcome to the Forum! We know that you will love your PC.  (balloons)

This Forum is a treasure trove of info--we are still learning new things about the PC (and this is our 3rd) and have met some really cool people.

Judi and George


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on September 26, 2013, 12:03:12 pm
Linda and I bought our 2006 used 2100 at the factory in June.  

......to Glacier National Park in the spring and summer.
Welcome Steve and Linda!

We just got back from Glacier NP.  We were there for 10 days last August.  What a park.

The Going To The Sun Road vehicle restriction did not permit our PC-2350 on that road, but your PC-2100 will be permitted from either end, east or west.  You might need to fold in your outside mirrors when going up and down from the west because that road is more narrow than the east side.

If you like hiking for a full day, there are two hikes I highy recommend.
- Ice Berg Lake (4 miles there & 4 miles back)
- The Garden Wall from Logan Pass to Granite Park Chalet, then down to a lower parking area called The Loop.  There you take the free shuttle back up to Logan Pass to get back to your 2100.  That is 13 miles one way which includes the turn-off to see Grinnell Glacier from above.  Don't cut that short.  Most of the hike is down hill, but it does take all day.  Start early AM, the views are awesome.

Avalanche Lake is 5 miles round trip.  Hidden Lake is less.  Both are very nice.

Bears are abound, especially on the east side Many Glacier, both black and Grizzly.  You can't miss them.  Just watch for people pulled off the side of the road.  But no worries using common sense with food and clean-up, at the camp site and while hiking too.  We camped in Rising Sun with a black bear who visited the camp ground often.  No worries at all with any hard shell RV.  We enjoyed many camp fires in the evening and the bear never bothered us.  He did like the raspberry patch all around our camp site which had him sniffing around during one day that we witnessed.

Welcome to the PC family!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Jeasen on October 02, 2013, 11:22:53 am
I would like to introduce ourselves to everyone here, my name is James and my wife's name is Linda and my screen name is Jeasen. We live in the Kansas City area and just purchased a 1999 2350 Phoenix Cruiser. We had a couple of travel trailers and a class A motorhome years ago when the kids were young but have not had an RV for years because we simply did not take the time away from careers and family to go RVing. Since I retired (Linda is still working) I had been kind of looking at all types of RV's from class A's, to travel trailers, to slide in pickup campers and came across the 2350 Phoenix Cruiser. The more I looked at the Phoenix Cruiser the more i found that I liked about the Phoenix Cruiser and decided to make it mine. Our PC has 52,000 miles on it and shows very little wear from use.

Last fall and winter I had a medical condition that now severely limits me in what I can physically do so it takes me much longer to do things these days. In the last few weeks I have been slowly doing minor maintenance to the PC and getting it ready for it's (ours) maiden trip. I still have a few things to complete before we go but am looking forward to our first trip.

I would welcome any tips or suggestions that anyone could give me that might make our first trip more enjoyable. I want to do all the things that I can think of now rather than being stuck with doing them on the road later. One of the things I could use some help on now is TV placement. I bought a 29" flat screen for the PC. It is to big (wide) to install in the front cabinet with the roll up door over the cab. My first thought was to install it on a swing away bracket toward the drivers side of the roll up door cabinet. With the front placement it can be viewed from the dinette, barrel chair and rear bed which is why it was placed there in the first place. Then we started to look at the space over the entrance door but the TV is about 1 to 1 1/2" taller then the space over the door and I think that it would be a head bumper if mounted there. The TV is very light, it is LED,  and could be mounted almost anywhere. I also have a DVD player to mount in the roll up door cabinet and will have to run an antenna cable and HDMI cable to the TV from the roll up door cabinet to where ever the TV is placed. The TV will be used to watch news, local evening TV programs and the ocasional rented movie. Maybe I bought something bigger than needed and a smaller TV would be better suited to the PC? Anyone?

We are looking forward to meeting you all in person as time goes by. Don't forget to send me your tips and suggestions and ideas on TV placement and preventative maintenance. Thanks, James & Linda


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Bside60 on October 04, 2013, 02:32:10 pm
Hello,
           
I am Bob Whiteside ( screen name :Bside60) and my wife is Bev and we are new the the forum. We are recent "empty nesters" ( the twins are now sophmores in college), living in the Denver Colorado area but not retired yet. We have a 2007 Eagle Cap 950 truck camper on a SRW Chevy Silverado Crew Cab. That rig has served us well over the years but we are ready for something else.

We are very interested in the PC2350. It seems like the perfect set up for us whether it be for a weekend escape or the long drive to visit our daughter in Madison WI. I have many questions but will only burden the forum with a few for now.

I had initially considered ordering the 2350 on an E450 chassis but was cautioned by forum member Ron Dittmer on the rough ride I would be in for with the small coach on that chassis. I had found the heavier load capacity and braking capabilities of the E450 appealing since we have a lot of steep roads and highways in Colorado and we are thinking of getting an Jeep Wrangler Unlimited as a toad ( about 4600 lbs curb weight). I like the 24' length and am not interested in the larger models. I would be interested in any input from the 2350/E450 owners on the forum.

We would like a slide out with the sofa. Access to the rear while in transit is important to us however and I would appreciate hearing from anyone regarding ease of passage to the back while the slide-out is retracted.

We are excited to schedule a visit to the factory, hopefully in the first half of November as time permits.

Thanks,
Bob


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on October 04, 2013, 02:58:23 pm
Welcome Jeason with a 1999 2350.  I don't know anyone on this forum with a rig that goes back that far.  It will be interesting to read how it serves you.  I can't offer much in a reply.  I do encourage you to read through the tips & tricks section to get ideas there on how to address things that may be applicable to your 1999 model.

The only other advise I can offer is.....inspect all seamwork and the B+ aerocap over the van.  Make sure everything is well sealed and secured.  Check caulk-work for cracking/split seams.  Check the B+ cap interconnection to the van roof by placing your palm on each front corner and lift upward with force.  If you can create a gap, then you'll want to have that looked at.  I say this only because it came up in a recent discussion, a potential issue in early production.

Well Wishes,
Ron Dittmer


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on October 04, 2013, 03:05:11 pm
I had initially considered ordering the 2350 on an E450 chassis but was cautioned by forum member Ron Dittmer on the rough ride I would be in for with the small coach on that chassis.
Welcome Bob!  I am glad you've connected here on this forum.

My comments on this subject matter is just an opinion when considering I have never even rode in a 2350 built on an E450.  I sure hope you get input direct from those who have owned or own today, an E450/2350.



Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TomHanlon on October 04, 2013, 04:24:40 pm
"I  had initially considered ordering the 2350 on an E450 chassis but was cautioned by forum member Ron Dittmer on the rough ride I would be in for with the small coach on that chassis. I had found the heavier load capacity and braking capabilities of the E450 appealing since we have a lot of steep roads and highways in Colorado and we are thinking of getting an Jeep Wrangler Unlimited as a toad ( about 4600 lbs curb weight). I like the 24' length and am not interested in the larger models. I would be interested in any input from the 2350/E450 owners on the forum.

We would like a slide out with the sofa. Access to the rear while in transit is important to us however and I would appreciate hearing from anyone regarding ease of passage to the back while the slide-out is retracted."

 First off let me say hi and welcome. I think I am the only person on here that has actually owned a Phoenix 2350 built on the E450, but I could be wrong. In 2010 I ordered a 2350 with a sofa slide out. When it came time to build it, the factory discovered that the E350 chassis that had gotten from Ford only had the small 35 gallon gas tank, not the standard 55 gallon tank. I did not want the smaller tank, so I asked about getting it built on the larger stronger E450. They said yes for a small upgrade fee of $2000. So I agreed with it and got what I wanted all along. I replaced the shocks with Bilstein shocks and thought the ride and handling improved. I replaced the rear anti-sway bar with the Roadmaster heavy duty bar. I could not say that it was worth the money and there was very little improvement. I never felt that the ride was rough or hard. We took this rig from Maryland to Yellowstone and down to Rockey Mtn. NP east entrance and up the mountains. Never had any problems with it, except for the stone chip in the windshield in Wy. on a dirt road. My tax dollars at work replacing the road. I think everyone should upgrade to the E450 over the E350, but that is just me and I know not everyone agrees with me.

We upgraded to the larger 2012 2552 because of the better sleeping arrangement, at least for us. I have also replaced the shocks with the newer Bilstein HD silver shocks and like the ride even better that the stock factory stocks or the older yellow Bilstein shocks. I also replaced the steering dampener with a Bilstein dampener for about $300. Now I sit back and just cruise the highways. On my last trip two deer jumped out in front of me wile I was doing 65 mph and I really do like the extra handling theses improvement have made.

As for getting to the back with the slide out in for traveling, no problem. I am 6' 240 lbs and can move around with the slide in or out.

Feel free to ask any and all your question on here as we all love talking about our PCs.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Bside60 on October 04, 2013, 06:05:21 pm
Thanks Ron and Tom,
                                    Both of your opinions are valuable.  I am still on the fence with the E350 vs E450. I am leery of a too-stiff of a ride. I off loaded the camper off of the Chevy a while back and my wife and I went for a drive. I forgot to deflate the airbags and every little imperfection in the road felt like an 18" speed bump. I would not want to duplicate that in a 2350! I may have to price an air suspension upgrade.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Bruce and Sharon on October 05, 2013, 03:13:11 pm
Welcome to the Forum Bob,

One of the advantages we feel we have with our E-450 over the E-350 is the greater distance above the street that exists at the rear end of the PC.  With the E-350 we often were dragging the tail going into gas stations, parking lots, etc. with the possibility of damaging the macerator that is located back there.

Best regards,
Bruce


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: krebby on December 10, 2013, 06:46:50 pm
Hey Everybody,

I'm new to RV'ing.  Never owned one before.  I recently purchased a 2007 Phoenix Cruiser 2551.  So, a little about myself.  I became a widow about 5 years ago.  I decided to buy an RV because of the freedom that I hope it will offer me.  I have a couple of dogs and I would like to take them with me when I finally get on the road. I'm a bit intimidated at the thought of venturing out on my own, but also I'm sort of excited about the new adventure of it!

Anyway, a question for anyone who can help.  While my Cruiser is parked I would like to cover it.  Being that I'm in Florida, I don't want the elements to take a toll on it.  Can anyone recommend a good cover?  One that will really protect it and is easy to put on and take off.

Thanx in advance!



Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: yankeeflyer on December 11, 2013, 05:33:13 am
Welcome,I'm sure you'll find plenty of answers here.I also live in Florida during the winter months.We cover the tires and the windshield to protect the rubber and dashboard from UV rays.We place a dehumidifier in the shower and allow it to drain through the open gray tank.We've thought about a steel carport but have not gone with that as yet.I follow a blog from a single woman who travels with two dogs that I think you may find informative and enlightening. http://rvsueandcrew.net/ (http://rvsueandcrew.net/)
Welcome aboard  :)(:


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on December 11, 2013, 06:53:12 am
Welcome to the Forum  (w)

We live in Florida and basically follow the same procedure as YankeeFlyer. We keep our PC at a storage facility. We live in a deed restricted community so we are unable to keep it at the house or erect any sort of carport structure to protect the full body paint (would love to have it at the house).

We bought an Adco cover (for our previous 2551) and never put it on. It was expensive and we finally sold it at a loss. Now with the 2910m we keep a good coat of wax on and hope for the best!!!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: bowtorc on December 11, 2013, 04:55:05 pm
HI THERE TO ALL OF YOU PC OWNERS. WE ARE NEWBIES AS OF A WEEK AGO. WE DOWNSIZED FROM A 40' 2006 BEAVER MONTEREY. WHAT A SHOCK, NO ROOM FOR ALL OUR STUFF! SO GLAD THERE ISN'T!! WE LIVE IN OCALA SO STOP BY SOME TIME. ANYBODY GETTING TOGETHER THIS WINTER IN FLORIDA? WOULD SURE LIKE TO JOIN YOU. THANKS SO MUCH FOR ALL THE INFO. ON THE FORUM. ROGER KEEPS LOOKING TO SEE IF I AM STILL STUDYING AND I KEEP PRINTING STUFF FOR HIM TO READ. HE JUST HATES IT WHEN I GET ON THE FORUM CAUSE IT MEANS MORE "HONEY-DOS. THANKS AGAIN, DEB

P.S. PROUD OWNERS OF 2910D CHERRY INTERIOR, WOOD FLOORS,CAFE FB PAINT, CAFE COLOR INTERIOR


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TomHanlon on December 11, 2013, 05:44:46 pm
 (w)
We hope you enjoy your new "down sized" motorhome. I think you will find it easier to go more places.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on December 11, 2013, 05:54:20 pm
Welcome!!!

We are in Punta Gorda FL. Next week (17,18, and 19) we will be at Ortona Corps of Engineers, just E. of LaBelle (near Ft. Myers), then on 12/31, 1/1, 1/2 at Franklin Locks COE and then 4/7, 4/8 and 4/9 at Sebastian Inlet State Park. In Jan. plan to go to the Tampa RV Show on "old folks day" which I think is Thursday.

We have a 2910 as well. Join us if you can (get a reservation, that is)!!!

Judi


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Barry-Sue on December 11, 2013, 06:13:36 pm
Welcome Roger and Deb  :)

We have a 2012 2551 and will be in Florida from December 28th until March 22.  We travel between the COE Parks for eight weeks and then head over to Fort Myers Beach for three weeks starting March 1st.
We always spend our first two nights in Florida at Ocala North RV Park.  I think we may be there this year 12/27 and 12/28 if our travel plans work out.

Enjoy your new unit.  Hope to maybe get a chance to meet you in Florida.


Barry and Sue


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Bruce and Sharon on December 12, 2013, 01:42:32 pm
HI THERE TO ALL OF YOU PC OWNERS. WE ARE NEWBIES AS OF A WEEK AGO. WE DOWNSIZED FROM A 40' 2006 BEAVER MONTEREY. WHAT A SHOCK, NO ROOM FOR ALL OUR STUFF! SO GLAD THERE ISN'T!! WE LIVE IN OCALA SO STOP BY SOME TIME. ANYBODY GETTING TOGETHER THIS WINTER IN FLORIDA? WOULD SURE LIKE TO JOIN YOU. THANKS SO MUCH FOR ALL THE INFO. ON THE FORUM. ROGER KEEPS LOOKING TO SEE IF I AM STILL STUDYING AND I KEEP PRINTING STUFF FOR HIM TO READ. HE JUST HATES IT WHEN I GET ON THE FORUM CAUSE IT MEANS MORE "HONEY-DOS. THANKS AGAIN, DEB

P.S. PROUD OWNERS OF 2910D CHERRY INTERIOR, WOOD FLOORS,CAFE FB PAINT, CAFE COLOR INTERIOR

Hello Deb and Roger,

Six months ago we sold our 37' 2004 Beaver Monterey that we loved ever since purchasing it new in '04, but at this time in our lives we feel that we are "right-sized" with our new PC 2552.  Like you, we received much help from the forum members here to make the new baby feel perfect for us.  We'll be spending Christmas in it at The Springs at Borrego RV Resort & Golf Course halfway between San Diego and Palm Springs, but we'll be wishing you well in Florida with your new PC.

Happy traveling,
Sharon and Bruce


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 2 Frazzled on December 14, 2013, 08:42:12 am
Welcome Roger and Deb!

We, too, are hoping to meet other Cruiser owners in Florida (and anywhere for that matter). We live full time and work half time in our 2552 and will be wandering Florida and southern or coastal Georgia for the cold months. We are actually staging for a run back north since our son didn't get his travel plans together to escape Maryland's cold for winter break (boy is he going to regret that one).

We tentatively plan to be near Miami for the first week of February to visit family and we just booked into Lake Kissimee State Park near Orlando for the week of February 9-14, which I think is not terribly far from you. We still need to hit the Florida Panhandle to align our drive shaft and hope to do that in January so we will be sliding through your area sometime then also. We will be north again by mid-March for a wedding then off and away.

If our schedules mesh, we'd love to meet you.
Holly and John



Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: triumph on December 14, 2013, 05:46:06 pm
Hi,
We just picked up our new 2350 this week and boy was it cold in Elkhart and on our way home to New York. We spent the  first night in "Surprise" and we were warm in our bed, our pet dog Sadie was very cold on the floor, in the morning it was +3.  We decided to spend the nights in a hotel for a couple days and then try to miss the snow on our trip back east. We got home last night and missed the snow by going south thru Pa instead of along the lakes and Buffalo.  All's well, camper is in the barn as we are expecting 5-10 tonight.  We hope to go south to Fl in January. We are looking forward to enjoying our new PC, and FYI you can run the heat all night on battery power when its near 0!
Happy new owners of our first PC!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 2 Frazzled on December 15, 2013, 08:05:05 am
Welcome Triumph! I'm glad you made it back safe and sound through the snowy north. I hope you get to go out and play somewhere warmer soon!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Joe on January 21, 2014, 04:14:40 pm
Welcome to Phoenix USA RV's Discussion Board. We think you'll find this is a nice place to hang out. Why don't you start off with a little introduction and tell us a bit about yourself?

Hello Everyone, I'm Joe Quinn from Southwest Fl.  Joined the forum as I'm considering the future purchase of a PC model #2552.  I'm not a newbe to the RV life style as it seems I've been in & out of it for the past 5 decades.  My last MH was a 40ft 2006 Tuscany diesel class A that I sold in 2010 after extensive use.  I went on to try a towable for a couple years & found that to be to far a step backwards & sold it, now I'm looking for that happy medium in between both & the PC has my attention.

One of the things on my mind is the necessity to tow a vehicle.  We do a lot of moving around and I realize the advantages of a toad but is it really necessary?  On extended stays I would rent a car but for cross country trips as we have kids in Las-Vegas & California on the west Coast & Buffalo, NY on the east coast I would prefer not.  Being approx. 27 ft in length & fairly narrow is this coach park able at curbside & things like that.  Any insight here or other tips regarding the PC would be appreciated.  Thanks!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on January 21, 2014, 04:37:42 pm
Welcome Joe!

The 2552 is the hottest selling PC, most popular in the PC community, and quite eye catching to owners of other brand motor homes, especially older couples.  The 2552 is one of the lighter rigs built on the E450 which makes it very well suited for towing the 5000 pound limit defined by the hitch.  As far as using the rig as your get-around-town vehicle, I can say that our shorter model 2350 (23'-8" long) seems to be pushing the limit for us.  We could surely get by as we have done so on one trip.  I suppose a lot depends on where and for how long you'll be wishing you brought your car from home.  For us, some trips are real nice to get around in our Jeep Liberty because without it, we'd miss out on so much.  But our vacation around Lake Michigan, I think it would have been better to leave the Liberty home.  Each trip's agenda dictates when to take it and when to leave it home.  For us it's not something we absolutely must bring on every vacation.  But yes absolutely on "some" vacations.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TomHanlon on January 21, 2014, 04:47:40 pm
I agree with Ron. Having had the 2350 and a shorter 21' Chinook along with the 2552 and 28', 34'. I find that the shorter ones worked with out a towed. When going out to dinner, I would  park on the edge of the lot and hang the rear over the grass. With the longer units I almost always tow. I say almost because we camp with a friend that has a 5th wheel and we ride with them sometimes.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Joe on January 21, 2014, 05:22:28 pm
Welcome Joe!

The 2552 is the hottest selling PC, most popular in the PC community, and quite eye catching to owners of other brand motor homes, especially older couples.  The 2552 is one of the lighter rigs built on the E450 which makes it very well suited for towing the 5000 pound limit defined by the hitch.  As far as using the rig as your get-around-town vehicle, I can say that our shorter model 2350 (23'-8" long) seems to be pushing the limit for us.  We could surely get by as we have done so on one trip.  I suppose a lot depends on where and for how long you'll be wishing you brought your car from home.  For us, some trips are real nice to get around in our Jeep Liberty because without it, we'd miss out on so much.  But our vacation around Lake Michigan, I think it would have been better to leave the Liberty home.  Each trip's agenda dictates when to take it and when to leave it home.  For us it's not something we absolutely must bring on every vacation.  But yes absolutely on "some" vacations.

Thanks Ron, that's the kind of feedback I'm looking for.  Anybody else wanna offer their 2 cents!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on January 21, 2014, 06:05:05 pm
Joe,
We are also located in SW Florida. We have had 3 PC's in the last 4 years. We finally got it right with our 2910,

Welcome to the Forum and if you would like to take a look at our PC, please let us know. We would be more than happy to help with your decision. We tow a Honda Fit and it works out perfectly for us.

Judi and George


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Bruce and Sharon on January 21, 2014, 11:21:34 pm
Hi Joe,
Here are my "2 cents" worth.  I agree with Ron and Tom's comments.  I feel that the 2552 is not a good choice if you want to go without a toad very often. 
We love our 2552 partly because its relatively small size makes it fairly easy to drive and park, but it's not small enough to generally use on short trips around areas where we are camped.
--Bruce


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 2 Frazzled on January 22, 2014, 09:41:31 am
We own a 2552, live in it full time, work in it part time and tow a Subaru Forester. We never RV’d before, never towed anything before, and we owned small vehicles so navigating this baby was a new experience all the way around. We took a 4,000 mile trip last July with just the PC since our Toad was not ready. We could pull over at roadside stands (sometimes) and could park in a double head to head space or a normal space where we hung our tail over the grass as Tom did. We DID almost slam our stabilizer jacks on a parking bumper this way so you have to be careful with the maneuver and have your spotter back there. We easily parked at malls, Home Depot, Walmart, Cracker Barrel, etc. We took at least two or three spaces street side so if there is room, it can be done. You have to feed ALL the meters. We are still not comfortable maneuvering on some of those cute little walkable town streets but we’ve done it. Some of the corners do not give room to swing anything bigger than a sedan without invading someone else’s road space. What we found on that trip is that we would opt to stay in camp and skip a dinner out or a nearby trail or exploration site to avoid having to batten everything down and unhook everything before we went. It’s not a big deal but doing it day after day gets old. Coming back late all warm and mellow from a nice dinner then having to strap on your headlamp and drag hoses is not something we wanted to do repeatedly. Note that it can be done, we just choose not to. The July trip took our 2552 from Maryland to: Mammoth Cave Kentucky; St. Louis Arch and through St Louis (no problems); hopping through several Midwestern states stopping pretty much wherever we wanted; all through the Black Hills; Wall Drug; the Badlands; more states, more visitor centers, more campgrounds; the Amish market near the factory complete with horses and buggies (a little tricky parking but most tourist areas have RV parking areas and we’re MUCH smaller than most of those parked there); and then on back to Maryland with very few issues due to the size of the rig.

John refers to the PC as our “Mother Ship” and the Subaru as our “shuttle”. We dock the Mother Ship and easily wander the universe in our shuttle.

With the Phoenix, Subaru and Swing Daddy bike rack all strung together gas stations and parking become a little more of a challenge but we manage. We have skipped very few things due to our set up. In towns we tend to park at the far back of large store lots. Our solution to most parking problems is Google Maps. Pull it up on your phone and eyeball the places you want to go. I have navigated John through a lot of tight spots and side streets to get us where we want to go and to determine if we should even attempt to go there in the first place. It is a good way to find a safe turn-around spot when you are unexpectedly forced to travel in the wrong direction by divided highways or road construction.

We will be in southwestern Florida at least part of the first week of February and are happy to show you our rig and set up if you like. It is always better to go with someone local so you can go back again if you need to (as we did with Tom – thank you Tom) but if there are no 2552’s nearby that you can see, ours will be rolling through and we’ll be happy to show it to you. Gradygal (Judi and George) live in Punta Gorda and are PC pros so even if you check out our rig to get a feel for the 2552, you still might want to visit with them for the full Phoenix scoop.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Joe on January 24, 2014, 09:41:35 am
Thanks for all the reply's to my post.  Looking forward to many continued discussions in this forum. 
Joe


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Bside60 on February 19, 2014, 10:54:48 am
We flew out of Denver and picked up  our 2350 on the E450 chassis on February 3rd. Hats off to you hardy cold weather campers but we stayed in hotels on the indirect drive back to Denver via Elkhart-Columbus, OH ( for a trade show)-Madison Wisconsin ( braving the minus 11 temps to see our daughter who attends school there) and back to Denver ( 50s and 60s this week!).

We needed to hit the ground running work-wise upon our return, so the rig is in storage for now. We are very excited for some consistently warmer weather and hoping the winterization job by the PC folks protected the plumbing on our arctic journey home.

The next step  is setting up a Wrangler Unlimited as a tow vehicle. I ordered a Tomken ( http://www.tomken.com/detail.php?id=390) Winch bumper for the Jeep with optional tabs for a Blue Ox Aventa tow bar. The Jeep will not have a lift so the after market bumper will eliminate the need for a base plate and preserve the clearance we already have.

I am estimating (wont know for sure until the bumper is installed) an 8 inch difference between the PC receiver and Jeep bumper tabs so I hope an 8 inch riser will do the trick to level the towbar.

As far as supplemental braking, SMI or Unified would be my first two choices, but an RVi2 dealer is about two blocks from work. I hope this choice on the side of convenience doesn't bite me in the butt later.

We head to Vegas  for another tradeshow at the end of March and then on to Palo Alto, CA, so hopefully, I'll have all this together in time for a shakedown trip before then.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TomHanlon on February 19, 2014, 11:15:31 am
Welcome

I am glad to see someone else besides me ordered a 2350 on the  E450. My first PC was like that.

How much does the Jeep weight. You only have a 5000lb hitch on the PC, unless you did something different.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on February 19, 2014, 11:51:03 am
Bside60,

Welcome to the PC family.  So you decided to get a 2350 on steroids.  If (I should say "When") you have questions of any kind, this is the place to ask them.  Safe travels!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Bside60 on February 19, 2014, 05:30:34 pm
Thanks Ron and Tom,

I have a thin margin on the Jeep. I believe the manual transmission 4 door Rubicon is 4521 lbs. Adding the tow bar, after market bumper, bike rack and bikes will be pushing things a bit. Maybe I'll have to throw the Jeep's spare tire in the PC and tow with the top and doors removed to save a few pounds!



Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on February 19, 2014, 06:32:11 pm
Thanks Ron and Tom,

I have a thin margin on the Jeep. I believe the manual transmission 4 door Rubicon is 4521 lbs. Adding the tow bar, after market bumper, bike rack and bikes will be pushing things a bit. Maybe I'll have to throw the Jeep's spare tire in the PC and tow with the top and doors removed to save a few pounds!


Personally I wouldn't bother even if over by a tad.  Just be sure to get a smart tow brake system along the lines you are thinking and you'll do fine with everything stored in their normal places.  There is no weight in or on the motor home that way.  It's all being pulled.  Go easy as you normally would towing, with great tow brakes all will be fine.

And that is only my opinion.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Pax on February 19, 2014, 11:14:00 pm
WELCOME!   meetya

We just recently set up for towing a 2013 Ford Edge Ltd AWD which is 4300 lbs, using a Blue Ox Towbar.  Ours has about an 8inch riser, due to the Edge configuration with adaptive cruise paraphernalia.  With our 2552 it tows remarkably well and handles nicely.  The only time I really notice is going up steep grades.  We were going to go with the Unified braking system, but our local RV tech recommended the SMI due to his own experience with Unified control boxes being returned with issues.  The SMI has worked very well for us and we are very happy with it.  Amazing how much better the whole rig brakes when we tow the Edge with the SMI.

Palo Alto isn't very far from us here in the Napa Valley area.  Give us a holler if you want to get together for a PC party!

    - Mike and Joni


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Bside60 on February 21, 2014, 08:49:50 am
Thanks Mike and Joni!

It is good to hear that the 8 inch riser works. Maybe I should reconsider the SMI system over the RVi2 system. I have only found one installer here so far.


Title: ED GILMORE NEWBIE
Post by: medgilmore on March 04, 2014, 07:11:42 pm
Welcome to Phoenix USA RV's Discussion Board. We think you'll find this is a nice place to hang out. Why don't you start off with a little introd uction and tell us a bit about yourself?
I HAVE BEEN A CLASS A FOR 40 YEARS  GMC [6 WHEELER]-----2007 43' EAGLE--26' PC 2014  LOVE IT
RETIRED AIRCRAFT TECH, [V/N-MARINE 1965-66] 1964--1968   Parks college of aeronatics Cahokia,iL
CATERPILLAR CORPORATE AIRCRAFT TECH. 1969--1999RET. PEORIA,IL


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: KB9OMH on March 04, 2014, 07:36:34 pm
ED,
     Welcome to the PC world, I also live in Peoria, IL. Hope to run into you some time. I also retires from Caterpillar Inc, but back in 2002. If you need any help with your PC let me know and I'll try and help

Jim


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TomHanlon on March 05, 2014, 07:44:06 am
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What more can I say?


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: medgilmore on March 05, 2014, 08:21:47 pm
I think this is going to be a very good forum, I am personally very glad to see it initiated.  Ron and Penny you both are very reassuring when it comes to the Phoenix Cruiser.  Ron has sent me a great deal of information and has taken the time to explain his coach and its amenities.  He also has given me information on the availability of just what I think I am looking for in a 2350.  I just need to see and spend a little time around one in a show or a dealer. This weather is not conducive to RV shopping right now.  I have e-mailed PC for dealer information and to find if they have any of their products showing at RV shows in the Midwest.  I have not heard from them as of this minute.  Looking forward to seeing more and more post on this forum. Homer 2o2

I LIVE IN PEORIA ILL. HAVE 2014 2551 BE GLAD TO SHOW IT
309 657 3709  ED


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: BuffaloRose on March 13, 2014, 04:00:46 pm
Hello,  My husband and I are very excited to join the ranks of PC owners.  We are from upstate SC and purchased a gently used 2010 2350 last week from Camping World of Tallahassee.  We traded our 31 foot class A because we both hated towing and want to be able to camp in more remote areas that won't accommodate larger RVs.  Looking forward to learning and sharing our mods and travel adventures.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TomHanlon on March 13, 2014, 05:45:14 pm
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Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: BuffaloRose on March 13, 2014, 09:07:39 pm
Thank you.  I have been "lurking" on the forum for several weeks trying to decide if we were really ready to make our purchase.  I already feel like I know everyone here.  We have been working on setting up our rig this week and leave for our first outing for a short trip to Edisto island state Park, SC on Sunday.  Can't wait to test out our little PC dollhouse.  tymote


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Pax on March 13, 2014, 10:41:24 pm
 :)(:  Welcome Earl and Rose!!   :)(:



Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: rfriedkin on March 14, 2014, 04:07:35 pm
Hi All,

 We just purchased our 2013 2350 used from the factory. We had a Class A for about 4 years (and 40,000 miles) and sold it a few years ago. We are into photography and need to keep our two little dogs with us, and we wanted a small RV that we could park anywhere without a tow. We live in West Palm Beach and plan to visit as many Florida national parks as possible on long weekends. We're just getting the feel of the coach and will probably have tons of questions as we go along, since, as you know, the owner's manual is kind of skimpy. I must say that the factory has been very responsive. There were a few missing parts and I cleverly broke the ladder trying to figure out how to use it, but the parts came to us within a few days. We're looking forward to some great times and great pictures.

Dick & Sandy Friedkin & Barney & Charlie.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on March 14, 2014, 04:46:12 pm
Hello & Welcome to all you newbee owners!

Be sure your profile is up-to-date so when you post your questions, we'll be able to answer smarter.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Dutch on March 19, 2014, 08:27:25 pm
Another newbee here. On the 6th of March we purchased a used 2011 cruiser model 2551. It had some 21K miles and a few minor problems most of which have now been corrected either by the selling dealer and/or Ford. We have owned RV's for nearly 30 years, 4 Class A, two Class C, one 5th wheel and now the Class B Cruiser. Didn't do a lot of traveling except for our Born Free Built 4 two which we used more than anything. After deciding to no longer spend winters in Arizona (the weather wasn't much better than here in our part of Northern California), we sold our 38' Monaco last August. Wanted to get something for shorter stays where I didn't have to tow but comfortable enough for the two of us and our two little rescue dogs. Did a lot of online search reading about various Class B's and must say that this forum helped convince me to join the PC family. My wife and I hope to meet some of you in the near future. I remember reading about a planned gathering of PC owners in Pismo Beach this May but can't seem to locate the details. If someone could direct me to the proper referral, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thank you.

Dave, Cathie and our pups, Muffin & Mandy


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Pax on March 19, 2014, 08:36:15 pm
Welcome, folks!    :)(:

The club is: http://www.intervecphoenix.org/  and the west coast chapter is hosting the Pismo gathering.

We are also in N. Cal., so if you need any local assistance, we'd be more than happy to help!

   - Mike and Joni


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Bruce and Sharon on March 20, 2014, 12:02:28 am
Welcome Dave, Cathie and pups,
Here is a link to a recent club newsletter:
http://www.intervecphoenix.org/13-Dec%20-%2014-Jan.pdf
You can read a section on the RV West sub-group that mentions the Pismo Beach trip in May.  Contact Dave Van de Water (the club's Secretary-Treasurer) at the listed email address to get more information.
Hope to see you in Pismo Coast Village--it's one of our favorite RV parks.
Bruce and Sharon


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: pgomalley on April 07, 2014, 09:16:35 am
Welcome to Phoenix USA RV's Discussion Board. We think you'll find this is a nice place to hang out. Why don't you start off with a little introduction and tell us a bit about yourself?
Purchased our 1st RV in Feb. After much research PC 2551 w/slide was "the" RV for us and our 2 rescued dogs ,Squirt & Sprite. We tow a Honda CRV.
We will both be retired by May 1st, and plan a trip a month for the near future.
First trip was Branson, MO as our training trip w/ RVing friends.  Looking forward to many more!!
The O'Malley's
Pat, Gloria & The Girls, Squirt & Sprite


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on April 07, 2014, 09:30:27 am
Welcome to the Forum. You will love your PC. We are on our 3rd and are ABSOLUTELY delighted that we found PC. We are heading out for 4 days (right now) to the east coast of FL and if June, we head out for 3 monthes.

This Forum has so much information. We are always learning something new. y-- y-- y--

Judi and George


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TomHanlon on April 07, 2014, 10:38:12 am
Welcome to The O'Malley's
Pat, Gloria & The Girls, Squirt & Sprite.

 meetya meetya meetya meetya

Where is your home base?


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carol on April 25, 2014, 06:13:02 pm
After many weeks of pestering Earl the Patient with questions, I am thrilled to say my order is in for a lovely new 2450 (the extended 2350)!  I am happy to join your forum, too, as I have been lurking on the fringes, soaking up your many words of wisdom, humor, encouragement, and fine knowledge. 

My name is Carol.  My doggie, Dawney, and I will be full-timing it once our new home is ready.  In 10-12 weeks, we will be setting out from VA (suburbs of DC), heading to Elkhart to pick up our wheels, and taking advantage of PC's kind offer to let us stick around the neighborhood until we are comfy with our home and its basic operational and maintenance issues... a week... two...??? :-D

I know there are a few full-timers on the forum, as well as many extended campers, and if anyone has any general tips about build (before they begin nailing everything together!), I'd love to hear them.  We will be putting in a floor-to-ceiling cabinet behind the passenger seat, as well as that slide-out pantry that comes with the extra foot on the 2450.  Getting the jacks, thermal windows, solar panel, and other such practical items.

Looking forward to joining your little circle!

Carol


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Barry-Sue on April 25, 2014, 07:46:34 pm
Carol,

      Welcome to the PC family.  We have a 2012 2551 and prior to this one we had a 2008 2350.  A couple of minor things that have made my life easier in the PC was to have the sink cover cut in half.  By itself it is very heavy and having it cut in half allows you to use half of it as counter space while still being able to run water.  The other thing I did was have PC save me the cut out from the bathroom sink.  I use it as a sink cover all the time in the bathroom.  It is a great work surface when doing my hair.  If you don't want to use it as a sink cover it can also be used as a cutting board.  Those are just two of the little things I had done to make it easier for me.
     When we had the 2350 we also had them put in the floor to ceiling cabinets behind the passenger seat.  It looks small but it really held alot.  That was a good move on your part.
     We also put in shelves in the shirt closet (the cabinet next to the stove top).  I used that exclusively for kitchen storage.  There were enough cabinets over the bed for clothes so we did not use it as a shirt closet.

Sue 


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carol on April 25, 2014, 10:36:49 pm
Terrific suggestions, Sue, thanks!
Carol


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Pax on April 25, 2014, 10:37:05 pm
Hi Carol, and welcome!  

Your Greystone/Sterling rig will certainly be a pretty thing!  I think the options you listed were good ones.

Some of the things we had installed we are now very glad we did.....

- 50 amp service.  Gives us the ability to run pretty much anything at the same time (ie: don't need to shut down the A/C to run the microwave/convection oven, etc)

- Hard wired Surgeguard.  Built-in protection from bad power situations at a campground.  Eliminates the need to have a portable device which needs to be stored, and locked at the power post so it doesn't get stolen.....or borrowed.

- As Sue mentioned, we also had the bathroom sink cut-out included and it does make a difference in ease of using the bathroom area for multiple purposes.  I like Sue's idea of having the kitchen sink cover cut in half (like the cover for the stove) Wish we had done that.

- We had a propane line from the propane tank on the drivers side over to one of the outdoor storage compartments on the passengers side.  It is really convenient when using a BBQ!  No need to store those little propane tanks. (Thanks to Holly and John for this advise!)

Some of the things we didn't have done, that we now wish we had:

- Either have the wooden bed platforms made of a smooth surface wood, or have the particle board wood platforms that come stock treated with a sealant.  The stock platforms are difficult to deal with due to splintering.

- Have all the exterior storage locks keyed the same, using a tubular cam lock....not the standard lock/key that is on most every other motorhome.

- Our PC came with two keys for the main coach door.  I would have asked for four from the factory.  They are fairly unique locks/keys and difficult to acquire.

- I would have opted for a rear view camera that was remotely controlled from the cab drivers area, and/or side view cameras installed.  With the one fixed camera, you have to make a choice whether you want to see the area you are backing into, the area further back while driving, or the area around the tow vehicle/tow bar.

- Kermit might have a great way of locking the sliding hideaway screen door on the main coach door.  I had to come up with my own, which wasn't easy.  The reason?  The screen door is always on spring tension, and latches to the door frame when in place with a plastic latch.  Any significant pressure on the screen or the door (like a dog jumping onto it) will make the door spring open, allowing little furry critters out when you wanted them to be in.

- Sue also mentioned having shelves put in.  This is so much easier and cheaper to have done at the factory.  It gives you options for using, moving or removing the shelves without much interference from mounting hardware.  We did this after the fact, and it wasnt the easiest or most elegant job.  The factory has the exact same wood which matches, and they ensure the cabinet walls are properly reinforced to handle shelves.

The only other advise I would give:

- Unless they changed very recently, the PC Owners manual is, well, crap. (sorry, Kermit). Either take video of your walkthrough at the factory, or take pictures and good notes.  Tell them you want to see the manual before they give you the walkthrough.

- Ensure every piece of equipment is started and run so you can see it works.  This make take some time, so get some good sleep the night before :-)

- Ensure the main power cord is actually stored in the rear outside cabinet.  Mine was missing :-)

- Have them run through how your TV, BluRay, DVD, satellite, cable all work....and how to switch between them....including the rear tv if you have one.  Not something you want to figure out afterward.

- Have them label the four-way water switch on the drivers side (outside behind a locked cover).   It has embossed labels already from the manufacturer: City, Normal, Tank, Sanitize/Winterize.  This can be confusing for some, like me.  I labeled them: Use City Water, Use Tank, Fill Tank, Sanitize/Winterize.

All this may sound critical, but we truly love our PC.  The folks at PC USA really are great, responsive and friendly.....and the rig is made exceptionally well. Again, welcome!!

- Mike and Joni


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carol on April 25, 2014, 10:52:30 pm
Excellent suggestions, thanks Mike & Joni.
Re the remote-controlled rear-view camera, is that something that can be done to the backup monitor provided under the normal options or is it a special camera that has to be purchased and installed?  Seeing as how my dog will be an unreliable spotter, I think that suggestion in particular is worth investigating. tymote


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Bruce and Sharon on April 26, 2014, 02:16:54 am
Hi Carol,

Very wise of you to get all this advice from other PC owners before yours is completed.

Two things that we added to our unit after using it on a few trips are:
First, a small shelf on the bedroom wall where we now place a Large Screen Atomic Clock Radio that we can see at night and don't have to reset it each time after disconnecting power.  We don't have a TV in the bedroom so there is plenty of space on the wall of the shirt closet for this little shelf.  We drilled a hole in that wall to access the electric outlet inside the shirt closet.  It would have been nice to have this done at the factory.

Second, we added a Fan-tastic Ultrabreeze Vent Cover (http://www.campingworld.com/shopping/item/fan-tastic-ultrabreeze-vent-cover-white/58894) on the bedroom roof vent.

We're certain you will love your PC.
Bruce and Sharon


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Pax on April 26, 2014, 07:29:13 am
I can't say for sure at this point...just started looking at the remote cameras for a possible future add-on.  I would imagine the standard monitor would work, I'm not sure the standard wiring from the camera to the monitor would work, and I'm sure you'd need a different camera.  There are wired and wireless options out there and I would have liked to have the wired variety.  Wireless can be installed after the fact, but appears to cost a bit more and may not be as reliable.....but this is just from preliminary research I've done, not first hand or even second hand knowledge.

  - Mike


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on April 26, 2014, 08:25:35 am
Welcome Carol,

We had them build a floor to ceiling cabinet behind the driver's seat  in our 2910 and it works out perfectly. It's a great place to store camera, binoculars, scotch and other assorted small stuff. I really don't understand why PC doesn't build it for all their MH. Yeah, it adds $$$ but what a waste of good space without it!!! They initially told us they wouldn't do it because you would be unable to recline the driver's seat--how often do we recline the driver's seat?

Welcome and enjoy your PC

Judi


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Barry-Sue on April 26, 2014, 09:05:30 am
Carol

When we ordered our 2012 2551 we had Phoenix make several changes.  Here is a link to a post that lists most of the changes we had done. 

http://www.phoenixusarv.com/community/index.php/topic,492.0.html

One of the changes I like the most is the MaxAir fan.  We find it to be much quieter with more options than the Fantastic Fan plus it has a built in rain shield. We have two fans in the living area of our 2551 and wish we would have changed both at that time.  We only changed the bedroom fan and should have also changed the one in the galley area.

The other major change for us was to have both the driver seat and passenger seat swivel.  We rarely used the power seat in the 2350 so had both seats swivel in the 2551.  Invaluable for us.

My wife said to consider having the counter extension made in the hard surface counter material and not the wood.  We had this done in both our PCs and would do it again. 

Feel free to send a private message if you have any questions.

Barry


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 2 Frazzled on April 26, 2014, 09:14:57 am
Welcome Carol! You are going to love wandering in your Phoenix - we certainly do. Just a note to keep in mind as you read the responses, Phoenix is constantly improving and upgrading their units. Example: Mike's exterior water controls - I have no idea what he's talking about and his rig is only a year older than ours. He probably doesn't realize that what he has is different than the older models. Phoenix doesn't list out all the new goodies they are using and it seems that popular options frequently become standard features.

A note on cutting the kitchen sink cover- first decide if you want it top to bottom (default but goes through the handle hole) or left to right. We originally had left to right and it was easier to open with the cut out on one piece but I tended to turn it so I could use the water with half the sink covered (no biggie but then the beautiful counter pattern didn't match). When they replaced our counter they cut it top to bottom and it matches when in place the way I like it but is harder to lift out with the cut through the handle hole. If they changed the faucet placement to the corner as I saw in one rig, then side to side would work beautifully. If you want this done, call and ask now as they have the counter manufacturer cut it with a power water stream so it is a finer cut so the insert fits right and doesn't rattle.

Hope our info helps and that we get to meet you on the road sometime.
Holly


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carol on April 26, 2014, 09:20:48 am
Bruce & Sharon, I love the BR shelf/wiring access idea as I also will not have a TV there!

Mike--Thanks for the camera follow-up.  I'll probably keep it simple with the factory option for now but may follow-up with you someday should I ever back up over my spotter...  :cool

Judi--Just don't recline while driving and you be good!

Barry--Nice list.  Does the outside motion light come on A LOT though, seeing as you are outside and critters abound?  Has it ever lit up a bear, or worse?

Thanks all for your welcomes and ideas.  I will have a nice list to talk about with Earl on Monday.  You are awesome!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TomHanlon on April 26, 2014, 09:24:00 am
Welcome Carol and a big wave from the other side of DC.

This was written at the same time as the three previous post.

A couple more things I might suggest are:

1. Have them install the line in jack to the dash radio in the dash. You can use this to play music from you phone through the truck radio speakers, also works for in from some GPS units.
2. Have them put a single kitchen facets with sprayer in. Have it put on the rear right corner of the sink. The facet they put in will hit the window crank.
3. Ask about getting the flip up counter extension made of the same material as the counter top. It will be better for putting hot or wet things on than the wooden one.
4. Spent at least one or better yet two nights at the Shipshewana South campground before leaving the area. You will test your new PC at a real campground with full hook ups. And you will enjoy the Amish market and food next door.
5. I was able to get the couch door keys duplicated at my local "Do It Best" hardware store without any problems.
6. I would also suggest a second vent cover over the living room vent. It will be handy when you leave your dog in the PC while you are away. In the summer, open the vent, turn on the fan and crack the kitchen window. Helps to keep it cool for your four legged friend.

I bought two weather stations at Walmart that have the world clock in them and tell the inside and outside (wireless) temps. I put the battery operated clock by the bed, one outside temp in the outside drawer and one in the refrigerator. It allows me to keep an eye on the temp in the refrigerator.
 
And finally, something to start thinking about is where you want to place the towel bars and the toilet paper holder. When we got our two PCs they where not included and we had to bring them with us when we picked up the unit.
They installed them, where we wanted. If you do a search on here you will find what the others have done. We had the towel bars mounted on the drivers side wall in the shower and the toilet paper hold across from the toilet in our 2350.



Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carol on April 26, 2014, 09:24:50 am
Holly, that's exactly the kind of detail only the truly experienced can provide... I'd never have thought of any impact of the direction of the cover cut.  Thanks!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carol on April 26, 2014, 09:31:47 am
Thanks Tom--
I am actually graduating from an old-lady simple-as-can-possibly-be phone to an iphone (in order to stay as plugged in as possible to the poor folks remaining behind hahaha), so the tip on playing my itunes... rocks!  Thanks for all the suggestions.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 2 Frazzled on April 26, 2014, 09:48:40 am
Credit to Tom Hamlin on the sink cut. He advised me when we ordered but we didn't think to clarify when they replaced the counter. Our sink handle does not hit the window knob but Tom's does. I don't know if that is hit or miss or if the deliberately shifted the placement.

One other suggestion before hitting the road - shop now. I buy a lot online and you can set up to get packages while traveling but it is considerably easier to receive a package, test the item, and return or exchange it if needed while you are sitting in the comfort of your own home. We often don't know how long we'll be in one place and don't want to have to sit and wait for things to arrive, however, we also don't want to spend too much time wandering stores looking for that specific mounting bar that fit my bike (many stores, much aggravation, paid too much then it became a mangled mess when we got rear ended - arrrggg - that's ok, it killed the bike too so we decided the replacement will not need a mounting bar). That was just an example - finding the right grill is another and we are still working on that one. So, buy what you know you need. Hold off on storage/organizer bins since you have to fit those to your belongings and storage space.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Barry-Sue on April 26, 2014, 09:52:06 am
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2. Have them put a single kitchen facets with sprayer in. Have it put on the rear right corner of the sink. The facet they put in will hit the window crank.

I wish I had put in a single kitchen faucet with sprayer.  I have the original faucet still and it did hit the window crank but then I found that there are two sizes of window cranks and I had the longer shaft one installed.  PC replaced it with the shorter crank shaft and it doesn't hit the window crank at all.   I've seen the shorter shafts at many of the RV supply stores.

Someday Barry WILL install a different faucet for me!!!!

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then side to side would work beautifully.

Mine is cut side to side and I can still turn on the water without any issues.  I often wonder why things work differently.  I wonder if sinks are a little smaller then they used to be or faucets are mounted a little further back.

Sue


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on April 26, 2014, 10:00:22 am
Hi Carol,

I quickly breezed through all the comments and am not sure what exactly are you ordering.  I know it is the brand new 2450 (extended 2350), but unsure of the following.
Are you ordering a slide out or not?
Are you ordering a dinette or couch?
Are you ordering the pantry to the right of the stove, or getting the optional extended bed?

I think you get a pantry to the right of the fridge with either a couch or dinette when not having a slide out, but only with a couch when getting a slide out.

If you are not getting a slide out as was our decision, I will have numerous inputs to assure you maximize outdoor storage and galley base cabinet storage.  Getting the slide out relocates things that affect those to areas.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Barry-Sue on April 26, 2014, 12:42:07 pm
Carol

We have not had a problem with the light coming on a lot.  It is nice to walk up to the PC and have the light come on.

The motion light fixture is able to differentiate between a large thermal mass, and a small one (such as a cat, rabbit, small dog, etc.). When a small thermal mass is detected, the light will not be turned on. When a larger mass is detected (i.e. humans, a bear, large dogs, etc.) the light will come on.

I do have a question, "What is worse than a bear?"  The only thing I can come up with is two bears.

Barry


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TomHanlon on April 26, 2014, 01:01:33 pm
Berry a buffalo is worst than two bears. More people get hurt by buffalos then bears. >(


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 2 Frazzled on April 26, 2014, 03:44:56 pm
Buffalo, bear, couger, cranky camping buddies - doesn't matter. If my light goes on and there is a big critter out there, I may take a picture but I am NOT opening the door. For four legged trespassers, make noise - honk the horn if needed. For two legged friendlies, roll a truck window down just enough to toss out a beer, roll it back up then go back to bed.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 2 Frazzled on April 26, 2014, 03:57:27 pm
Someday Barry WILL install a different faucet for me!!!!

Sue, when they replaced the counter they accidentally swapped the hot and cold water lines on the kitchen faucet. Those lines are attached before the counter is set in. They are extremely difficult to get to once the counter is attached. We watched poor Bobby try to stuff himself under that sink and fold his arms into unnatural angles to reach the attachments. If John ever attempted such a thing I'd have to be far away or there would be no peace between us. I know Barry is way better at such things but it would still be a tough task.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 2 Frazzled on April 26, 2014, 04:07:40 pm
I just checked the inventory page and the new units coming off the line have the single spray faucet set on the sink corner between the stove and sink. This means you can get to the connections through the drawer cabinet. I wonder if they changed it after Bobby had to play Houdini for us. I like the new set up, not enough to trade in our baby, but it is nice. You could put water straight into a pan on the stove.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on April 26, 2014, 04:26:04 pm
I had to dismount then re-mount our kitchen faucet when I accidentally damaged one of the high pressure lines with a saw when rebuilding our base cabinet drawers from 5 to 3.  It was torture.  I told Irene that if she ever wanted a different kitchen faucet, this would be her one and only opportunity to change it.  She liked the original white single handle, so it's back in.

Unlike the bathroom faucet, I was not able to disconnect the plumbing at the kitchen faucet.  Those three hand-tighten features per line, had interferences to other things.   I had to cut the two lines and reconnect using standard house-hold stainless steel braided flexible lines with mating fittings to the white plumbing lines down lower where I could work with them.   It worked out in the end, but it was a lot more work than I thought would be.  I suppose now that it's been converted to flex lines, replacing the faucet will be much easier.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carol on April 26, 2014, 07:11:13 pm
Hmmmm.... worse than a bear....  a moose!  As for what is scarier...  thinking about having to develop a modicum of handiness (or at least understanding) with mechanical, plumbing, electrical schtuff.   Yikes!

Ron, thanks for the response.  I enjoyed the internet pictures of your unit and your many posts and they indeed helped confirm my choices.  I am getting no slide (doggie does not have opposable thumbs so she would be of no use if something got stuck, plus I believe in keeping things simple).  Getting the dinette/convertible to sleeper.  And getting the slide out pantry between the stove and the bed (storage is golden).

Since it has no slide, that means there is some extra room on the dinette side, since the 2450 that PC has on the website has a slide dinette and if you take out those slide walls, there will be some extra space.  I'm hoping they will build me a broom closet between the dinette and the frig--similar to the slide out pantry but no slide out--where I can store long items like a broom, sweeper, maybe a guitar.

Oh, and double wide drawers with no cutting board in the galley, again, inspired by some of Ron's posts I think.

Thanks all!  I'm SO looking forward to talking to Earl on Monday! :-D



Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Bruce and Sharon on April 26, 2014, 08:19:08 pm
Carol,
We think you should reconsider deleting the cutting board.  We use ours a lot as a counter extension and workspace.
Bruce and Sharon


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 2 Frazzled on April 26, 2014, 08:46:01 pm
We also use our cutting board a lot as a counter extender but I doubt she can get it with the double wide drawers. It was an inset to the smaller drawer set.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on April 26, 2014, 11:14:53 pm
...getting no slide
...believe in keeping things simple
...getting dinette/convertible to sleeper
...getting the slide out pantry between the stove and the bed

Since it has no slide, that means there is some extra room on the dinette side, since the 2450 that PC has on the website has a slide dinette and if you take out those slide walls, there will be some extra space.  I'm hoping they will build me a broom closet between the dinette and the frig--similar to the slide out pantry but no slide out--where I can store long items like a broom, sweeper, maybe a guitar.

Oh, and double wide drawers with no cutting board in the galley

Carol,

You and I are on the same page.  I love your thinking.

I think you are right about gaining space on the driver side.  You may get a second pantry-like cabinet or maybe you could opt for a much bigger main closet from your no-side dinette configuration.  Since you will be full timing, I wonder if a bigger closet would be more useful.  You already gain nice size over-the-dinette cabinets, which is a lot more than others get with a slide-out.  If you don't plan to hang much in the closet, you could ask for cubbies in the extra closet space for folded clothes or other supplies.  I bet you would gain more storage that way compared to a separate pantry-like cabinet.

Since you are not getting a slide-out, make sure your furnace will be mounted under the main closet or fridge like mine.  This will open up the storage area under the bed for improved out-door storage.  Make sure Earl understands that it is important to you to have that extra out-door storage.  Outdoor storage always trumps indoor storage because everyone runs short with outdoor storage.

Also, moving the furnace to the other side is "CRITICAL" for the 3 wide-drawer galley system that I made.  When the furnace is under the bed, the heat duct takes up the one drawer position, making it impossible to duplicate what I had done.  Make sure they also add the button latching system I have to keep the drawers closed, for anything less than a solid latch will have your drawers opening while driving.  Pay the extra money for it.  You won't be sorry.  Maybe they can offer a lower-cost alternative latching method compared to what I did, without sacrificing the security.

Be sure to get your dinette with the leather surface memory foam cushions for they will be much more comfortable than the standard cloth covered regular foam.  We had the regular cloth and after some years, switched to the leather with memory foam and it is a huge improvement.  They don't compare.

You mentioned getting the closet instead of the Euro chair.  I don't dispute having an extra closet will be very useful.  But having a 3rd seat instead will quickly become a favorite sitting place for lap time with a small dog, reading, playing guitar, and watching TV.  I think our 3rd captain seat will make for a better choice over the now-standard Euro chair, only because of your no-slide-out situation.  I do wonder that it would not be possible to recline properly with a Euro chair in the restricted space.  With our 3rd captain seat, the front dinette bench is a great ottoman when adjusting the captain seat close to it.  Both my wife and myself love the 3rd captain seat.  We started out with a standard-at-the-time barrel chair there which never got used.  Ask the factory about a 3rd captain seat that is identical to the two front seats.

If you think rotating the front passenger seat will provide the same comfort.....it doesn't compare.  It is close to the passenger door, low to the house floor, and you cannot watch TV from it.  It's much better than nothing and very nice to have when accommodating guests, but I feel the 3rd captain seat is much more comfortable, and always ready to use.  Watching TV when sitting at the dinette works, but you can't kick back.  I think you might miss having a favorite seat.

I understand the thermal windows have not been 100% thermal since the factory changed the window style in recent years.  Those that open, all fixed glass remains single pane because of the outdoor flush-mount styling.  The single pane areas represents the majority of the glass.  Ask about that option, and what exactly can you expect from it.  If you are disappointed, I would consider getting only one thermal pane window, the one in the back wall.  This to eliminate radiated down-draft over your head when you are sleeping in cold weather.  One thermal window would be much cheaper, and maybe is all you really need if the rest of the rig is thermally mixed up anyway.

I think PC-USA will not charge more for most unique requests.  There will be cost associated with the 3 galley drawer system, and a back wall thermal window.  The others may cost you nothing or miniscule.

That's all I have for now.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carol on April 26, 2014, 11:33:49 pm
Wow!
Lots of new things to consider and weigh.
This I do know:  The finished product is likely to have a number of things that I might wish I did differently once I am out there in the wheel world  :lol, but I am amazed and gratified by the volume of thoughtful suggestions and tips from all of you and PC's willingness to work with their customers on an individual basis.  Thank you, everyone!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TomHanlon on April 27, 2014, 08:01:54 am
Slide outs are where Ron and I disagree. Ron likes no slide because he thinks they are a problem and you get more cabinet room for pots and pans over the dinette. I like slide outs because you get more floor space to move around in and you can move the third chair where you want it. More pots and pans or more room for me. I guess I will go with me.  The early slide out back about 15 years ago had problems but todays don't seem to have any problems.

Ask Earl what percentage of the motorhomes come off the line without a slide? How many of those come back for trade in within the first year or so? Talking about trade in, what does not having the slide out do to your resale/trade in value? It sounds like you are taking on a new adventure and might want to change your mind on what you want or need. I would strongly rethink about the side out.
 
Maybe we need a poll on here about who has or does not have a slide out?


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on April 27, 2014, 08:16:08 am
Tom makes the point that the majority of owners do.  And it is a very good point.  I stand with only a few in our no-slide corner.

There are a few ways of looking at this.  Unlike Irene and me, most people have funds to change rigs as needed or as desired,  Some here bought their first PC after us in 2007 and are now on their 2nd or 3rd PC.  They are blessed to be able to change to what suits them best at the time.  They will never see issues with a slide-out when changing rigs more often than we will.

Irene and I bought our PC with a 30 year ownership plan in-mind.  Generally speaking, a slide-out will have it's issues during that long a period.  Even if not mechanically, but surely with gaskets and seals.  I would expect severe trouble somewhere along the way, forcing us to dump the rig before we are ready to give up our motor home due to our own age.  Of coarse there is no guarantee it would force a premature sale.  We just didn't in-part want to have such concern over that when the extra floor space didn't mean anything to us in the first place.

We also do spend a lot of our time traveling, nights in Walmarts and rest areas.  In those places, it is not recommended to pull out the slide out for risk of another vehicle hitting it.

There are benefits/advantages for both arguments.  Most people pile up on the Yes-side of the line.  Sometimes I feel like I am all alone when stating that we love our no-slide.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carol on April 27, 2014, 09:06:50 am
Yup, I immersed myself in the slide-no-slide debate, both on this forum and elsewhere.  I also went to several RV shows where I could actually get the feel of it both ways.  It is a big decision and, since this is all so very new and I don't even know what my travel/camping habits will be til I really get out there, it makes the choice a little harder.  I do know that my budget will dictate that I experience the adventure of stealth camping at least some of the time, easier without a slide.

When I walked around slide units (like you say, the vast majority) the extra floor space just seemed sort of wasted to me simply because it will just be me and my doggie.  I was thrilled when the 2450 came out just in time, though, as that extra foot in length (more storage!) and extra wheelbase is very attractive. 

I do know that trade-in or resale value might be lower with a no-slide because of it's lack of popularity, but I'm trying to put together something that I will stay in for the very long-term (heaven and good fortune willing).  At one point, I even considered a diesel because of their longevity, so that if I died in there my son would inherit something nicer than a tin can with bones rattling around inside roflol.  But upon closer look, the Ford engine looks to be quite reliable, easier and less expensive to work on, and the initial cost outlay in a diesel could go to that awesome list of options.  It will be such a nice tin can!

I sure do appreciate you all playing devil's advocate and making me think hard before PC's hammer and nails and saws start working their irretrievable magic!

Have a great day, wherever you are, and whatever your view--
Carol


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on April 27, 2014, 09:09:18 am
Carol,
We TOTALLY agree with Tom Hanlon!!! Our 1st PC did not have a slide (2350 Sprinter). The second (2551) did not have a slide; we opted for captains chairs. What a mistake looking back!! Our reasons for ordering without the slide was that we thought, erroniously, that the slide would add more weight therefore decreasing our fuel consumption. Minor!!

Now that we have our 2910 (with only 1 slide) we look back and say what fools we were. The slide adds so much more room and flexibility to the living area, it is easy to put in and out (press the button).

And the Euro chair is so comfortable!! Since you will be full timing, you might want to reconsider. To each his own!!! Take a good look at the area that you would gain with the slide.

George and Judi


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Barry-Sue on April 27, 2014, 09:38:25 am
Quote
We also do spend a lot of our time traveling, nights in Walmarts and rest areas.  In those places, it is not recommended to pull out the slide out for risk of another vehicle hitting it.

We also spend alot of time traveling and spend some nights in areas that you wouldn't want to use the slide.  In those cases the slide just does "NOT" come out.  We like that we have the option to either keep it in or slide it out.

Being we spend many months in our RV it is a nice benefit.  Even the 2008 2350 that had the small slide was too confining for us.  The new slide that is larger really gives nice space.

If we had thought about it we would have rented an RV for a few days prior to making any decisions back in 2008.  I can 't tell you if a slide is right for you or not.  We have never owned an RV without one so I can only speak about my experience with one.

Carol - do what is right for you.  Only you know how you will use the RV, your budget and lifestyle.  You will make the right decision for you.  

Sue
  


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Bruce and Sharon on April 27, 2014, 02:15:17 pm
Carol,

Do you have an option to have your 2450 built on an E350 or an E450?  If so, I recommend you choose the E450.

One of the concerns I had with the 2013 2350 that we first owned was the rear end of the E350 chassis would drag on the pavement in steep dips such as at a parking lot or gas station.  I was worried that the Macerater system would be damaged some time.  This has happened to some PC owners, and there are ways to compensate for that, but I'd rather avoid the issue entirely.

The E450 chassis on our 2014 2552 is about 3" taller and we never have the dragging problem.

--Bruce



Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carol on April 27, 2014, 02:49:21 pm
Thanks George, Judi, and Sue!

Bruce, I'm getting the E350.  Honestly, just looking at the pictures and picking up a couple of posts on internet searches did make me have some concerns along the lines you mention.  The beauty of the 2450, though, is they are lengthening the wheelbase to 170 (or thereabouts).  Hopefully that will help balance that large rear overhang somewhat. 

Carol



Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Gail Staton on July 08, 2014, 08:12:55 am
Hello everyone.

Just posted this morning but joined a few months ago. 

In January, my husband and I saw the Phoenix Cruisers at the RV show in Tampa and were impressed.   We were considering getting a new motorhome but hadn't started the process of researching, yet.

We wanted something small since our present one is a 22" LTV class B. We bought it new in 2005 and have traveled 90,000 wonderful miles.  Thought about the 2100 with a slide but after much thought, the 2350 without a slide seems better suited for us.

I have read and gathered much info here since January and have contacted Earl and a couple forum members with questions.  Everyone has been very helpful.

We are heading to MD on Saturday from FL where we have been since January.  Hope to finalize our decisions after getting settled there.   Will update then.

Gail an Hal


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on July 08, 2014, 09:31:47 am
Hi Gail and Hal!

I am glad you got active here to receive the full flavor of experiences and ideas from others owning a 2350.  Hopefully other current-day 2350 and former 2350 owners will provide input that will have you rethinking my inputs to you.  And that is what you want, having a full understanding from a variety of perspectives.  Be sure to ask again the questions you asked me, to all the community here.

Again,  (w)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Gail Staton on July 08, 2014, 09:43:22 am
Hey Ron,

I think if I asked as many questions as you so kindly answered,  I'd be thrown off the forum.  Folks would be saying "Oh no, not her again." LOL   From my short time reading the forum,  everyone seems so willing to answer questions and offer assistance.

Gail


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carol on July 08, 2014, 10:25:32 pm
Welcome Gail and Hal!
I've not been on the forum for a while because I was traveling to Elkhart to pick up my new 2450... WHICH I LOVE...  I'll post pictures in a few days.  Bottom line at this point, Phoenix USA is a phenomenal crew to work with, from the top down.  Keep us posted and don't be shy about asking questions!
Carol


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: AMW on July 19, 2014, 05:19:10 pm
Hello and thank you to everyone on the forum for so much useful information.  I’ve been reading for a few weeks now in preparation to pickup my new 2015 2100 at the factory in a few weeks.  I am both downsizing from my 34’ Diesel Pusher and upsizing from my 19’ E-350 conversion van, which have served as my overnight and day travel vehicles for the past 13 years and nearly 300,000 total miles.  For most of those years my mother was my co-pilot, navigator and mechanic, but after she passed in 2009, I found myself using the Class A less, the E-350 van more, and staying closer to home as the vehicles both aged.

I’ve spent the past year trying to decide on one RV that could cover all my needs. I definitely wanted something small and nimble that I would be comfortable going anywhere in by myself, like my wonderful E-350 van, but I needed a bit more room than the van provided.   Also, I wanted to be able to sleep two in a pinch for the rare occasion when my husband could get away from work and go with me.  The trickiest part for me was finding something with the majority of the space in the living area, minimal space devoted to kitchen/bath, and the ability to customize the floor plan to accommodate my two dog crates which end-to-end need 86” of straight open space along one wall.

Of the three possibilities I considered, the PC 2100 had the most desirable floor plan and the best price.  The customizations I made in order to create my dream PC started with the E-450 chassis with the 158” wheelbase (not cut to 138”) which gave me an additional 20” in the living area.  By reducing the size of the wardrobe on the driver’s side a bit, we were able to create the 86” of open floor space that I need.  The passenger side will have a twin bed with bolsters to double as a couch.  When I need the second bed, a mattress goes on top of the dog crates.  That probably doesn’t sound too comfortable, but considering I’ve been doing most of my recent camping in a van with a 60x24 foam pad on top of rubbermaid boxes, everything about this PC will be a luxury.

I’m very excited about picking up my new PC soon, although not looking forward to gutting out the 20 hour drive each way.  I know it will make me appreciate home sweet home when I successfully pull it into my driveway.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: AMW on July 19, 2014, 05:59:07 pm
why I need 86" floor space for dog crates  :)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carol on July 20, 2014, 12:22:16 am
Holy cow!  That's not really a dog, it's a wolf-bear!  In any case, what a magnificent animal.  Congratulations on your PC choice and how wonderful that the team there could work with you to meet such specific needs.  I hope you enjoy your travels in it for at least another 300,000 miles!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Pax on July 20, 2014, 07:42:14 am
Welcome, Ann....and congrats!  2o2

It's so neat that Kermit can work some magic and customize the rig to your needs!  Happy trails to you and your little puppy!   :-D

   - Mike


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: AMW on July 22, 2014, 06:24:43 am
Thanks Carol and Mike, I can't believe I will be leaving in only five days and I haven't figured out my route yet.  Florida to Indiana...through Atlanta or Birmingham...that is the question.  I've done both and the difference in distance is minimal.  I despise driving through Atlanta and Chattanooga and the Jellico hill.  Of course, on the way up I will be in a rental car, so it shouldn't matter.  Any advice?


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Pax on July 22, 2014, 09:10:35 am
We had heard that the Atlanta traffic was some of the worst, but having commuted the I-80/I-880 corridor for many years I didn't think much of it.   We recently did the drive from the Lake Mary Florida area up to Acworth Georgia just outside Atlanta recently in our 2252 (towing an SUV).  The trip was about 375 miles and took us right through Atlanta.  It took us a bit over 12 hrs.  We had forgotten we would be going through ATL on a Friday and also hit it in commute hours.  Topping that off, there were two accidents that had us in 'parking lot mode' for hours.

I doubt that plowing through Atlanta will be on our agenda in the future.   :lol

   - Mike


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: BuffaloRose on July 22, 2014, 10:49:20 am
We live in SC where almost all our travels start with I-85 to Atlanta or I-26.  My husband refuses to consider any trip that goes through Atlanta.  Can't speak to Birmingham.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Barry-Sue on July 22, 2014, 08:27:52 pm
Ann

We drive through Atlanta a couple of times a year.  Most of this goes without saying but I'll say it anyway.  The traffic is never light but sometimes it is heavier than others. If you can, plan your trip to avoid weekdays during rush hour.  We always take the I285 West by-pass except early Sunday mornings.  

Heading south out of Atlanta we always hit very slow traffic on I75 at the Joneboro exits between mile markers 231 to 221.   Heading north if you stay on I75 and go through Atlanta you will find yourself in the 4th or 5th lane from the right when I285 merges in north of Atanta.  This is not a real problem but you will need to be prepared to start moving to the right.

Coming from the north or the south as you approach Macon we always take the Macon by-pass (I475).  


Barry



Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carol on July 22, 2014, 11:15:11 pm
Hi Ann,
I don't know about the routes, but don't do what I did and be so full of adrenaline and excitement that you drive too long.  Take the time you need, get rest in decent motels or whatever, and take good care of yourself!
Enjoy the ride, especially home!
Carol


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: AMW on July 30, 2014, 05:47:44 pm
update:
Here I sit in my beautiful new PC, in the Elkhart campground for the last night before taking off for the long drive home to Florida.  Photos below (if I post them correctly).  So far, I am absolutely thrilled with this PC, and the amazing customer service from everyone at Phoenix.  They spent lots of time going through everything with me and making small tweaks, adding some extra shelves, mounting my genturi connector, etc.  From wishes to paper to dream-come-true, the Phoenix team made it happen for me.

Thanks again to forum contributors who gave me lots of ideas and information (yes, I looked for, found, and had the sharp pointy screws against the macerator hose replaced with round-head bolts).  Without you all, the intermittent fan noise under my refrigerator (Inverter) would be a mystery.  Now fingers crossed that our trek home will be uneventful.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carol on July 30, 2014, 08:11:20 pm
She's a beauty, Ann.  Congratulations and have a safe, comfy, happy journey home!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Barry-Sue on July 30, 2014, 09:07:49 pm
Ann

Looks great, now the fun begins!!!!!!!!!!

Barry and Sue


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on July 31, 2014, 07:42:41 am
Congratulations  Ann.  A very beautiful rig you have there.  If any questions or concerns come up, be sure to ask your friends, all us here on the forum.

Ron


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TomHanlon on July 31, 2014, 07:50:57 am
Ann that is a sharp looking motorhome you have there. How about some pictures of the inside.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Janey on July 31, 2014, 11:57:34 am
I WANT A PC!!!!!   Our rialta is sold!  We're ready to buy. However, the brand new diesel 2350 is a bit more than we want to pay. I am desperate. Help me find something a year or two old. Thanks in advance.

Well, never mind. Earl found one and it's a beauty.  Had a couple of mods and will pick it up 8/19 - 2 days before my birthday. That's the nicest present I e ever received.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: AMW on July 31, 2014, 07:54:54 pm
Thanks Carol, Barry and Sue, Ron and Tom...I will take some inside photos after I get the PC home and get the current mess cleaned up.  With all the bins and coolers I had to bring with stuff for one week of camping, it looks like moving day at the circus right now.  I left Indiana this morning and am camping just north of Nashville tonight, not quite half way home.  So far the E-450 is running like a champ.  Plan to leave at dawn and hope to pull in my driveway before dark.

Just realized that I possibly should have posted the photos in the "photos" section, instead of the "introduce yourself".  Should I ask Aimee to move them, I wonder?


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: medgilmore on August 04, 2014, 08:24:36 pm
Welcome to Phoenix USA RV's Discussion Board. We think you'll find this is a nice place to hang out. Why don't you start off with a little introduction and tell us a bit about yourself?
I am 40 year rv'r live in peoria il. my last class A was an AMERICAN EAGLE 42F, I like the non thinking and enjoying
my 2551 PC; EVEN THOUGH i AM A RETIRED business aircraft Tech. alot less to be concerned and remember. LOVE IT and I
have stopped towing once again love it


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carol on August 05, 2014, 12:12:37 am
Welcome, Medgilmore.  Glad you are enjoying your new rig and a simpler travel experience.  Sounds like you have a lot to offer the group when it comes to technical stuff!  (cheer)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Janey on August 24, 2014, 08:40:44 pm
We bought our 2350 on the 19th of august, 2 days before my birthday.  We spent the rest of the week in the leelanau penninsula of Michigan. It was perfect. Well, until I tore the little piece on the couch. I guess you need to make sure that little flap is on the outside before you open the couch. Good part is - we're still married.

I love it!    I love it!!! 


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: AMW on August 24, 2014, 10:43:00 pm
Congratulations Janey and Sid. Enjoy the rest of the summer in your 2350.  y--


Title: Reply to Jim Barber in CO
Post by: bentgypsy on August 25, 2014, 10:07:34 am
Hi Jim....I'm in the Black Canyon area of the Gunnison until approx. Sept. 4 with my fully loaded 2014 2350. I will be in Pueblo  for a day around Sept. 6.
Let me know if you want to see it.
Steve Hallack


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 2 Frazzled on August 25, 2014, 10:30:52 am
Congratulations Janey! I'm glad it finally worked out for you and you are happy with your new baby.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on August 25, 2014, 11:31:30 am
Congratulations Janey! I'm glad it finally worked out for you and you are happy with your new baby.
Congrats & Welcome from me too! 


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: bobojay on August 28, 2014, 03:41:11 pm
Hi all, just getting around to posting this. We have been RVers for almost 30 years now, having owned a 5th wheel, (big mistake), a small class B Pleasureway Lexor, a small class C Winnebago Navion Sprinter, and now a Winnebago ERA class B Sprinter, (definitely our last Sprinter).
Me, Bob, is going to be the poster here, so any postings will be by me. I'm definitely opinionated, but please don't be offended by an answer or opinion. And I am a life long gear head.

Very interested in possibly going to a PC 2100, 2350, or at a stretch a 2551, (may be too long). Some mods from the standard would be incorporated too. Decisions, decisions........


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carol on August 28, 2014, 05:01:13 pm
Welcome Bob--What fun you have in store for you in figuring out your model, the options, and any custom work needed to make it just right for your needs.  PC is a great crew to do business with.  Enjoy and don't hesitate to ask for advice.  There's plenty of opinions to go around for all!  :)(:


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Bruce and Sharon on August 29, 2014, 12:11:42 am
Welcome to the PC forum Bob and Sharon.

We're long-time RVers too.  Had trailers, small and large Class A's.  We now love our 2552.

Never owned a Sprinter ourselves, but have friends who love their Winnebagos built on them.

What was it about the Sprinters that you objected to?

--Bruce and Sharon


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: bobojay on August 29, 2014, 01:40:55 am
Well like I said, we've had 2 Sprinters now, and both of them have had front end issues. Alignment, eating tires etc. The 2013 van's front end was so far out of alignment that it chewed up the front tires in 6k miles. They had to be replaced, under warranty thank goodness, but in order to get this issue fixed with the front end, we had to make several 40+ mile trips to 2 different dealers who ended up not being able to do an alignment at all. Guess who ended up getting to do the alignment, paid for by Mercedes I might add. It was a FORD dealer down the street from a Freightliner dealer, (Freightliner dealers also do Sprinter warranty work).
Sprinter dealers are so few and far between, maintenance is expensive, out of warranty repairs are VERY, VERY expensive, and they seem delicate to me. That's hard to explain but that's the way I feel about them. They take a special, must use, fully synthetic European spec motor oil that you can't find just anywhere. Also because of the new diesel emissions equipment, they can't be idled any more than absolutely necessary or all kinds of check engine lights happen requiring a dealer visit.

Granted, they do drive and ride wonderful in RV form, and get great fuel mileage for the size of some of them, usually 15-17 mpg, but then again the diesel fuel is around here is always 50-70 cents higher per gallon.
Just tired of dealing with the hassles....


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on August 29, 2014, 09:11:56 am
Bob & Sharon bobojay,

Your long term Sprinter experience was interesting to read.  I do wonder if your alignment challenges would have been best addressed by a truck suspension shop, for example the place that took care of our Ford E350 HERE (http://www.championframe.com/index_flash.html).  They did things that a regular alignment shop would never tackle like changing the bushings from centered to offset to compensate for the extreme circumstances.

About your next rig, possibly a 2100 or 2350 Phoenix Cruiser.  I have always thought that if we never towed one of our vehicles, the smaller 5.4L-V8 engine would have been the better choice for our 2350.  The V10 does a great job and I cannot complain about having more power, but I feel the V8 would do the job of getting around solo just fine.  Under extreme conditions like climbing steep grades, the V8 surely would not do the job as well, but for my wife and I, that condition is not the norm.  I'd be fine just taking on those grades a little slower.  On the flats, how fast does one in a motor home need to get up to 65 mph?  Motor homes in general need to be driven conservatively for safety sake and also for the sake of the occupants, the house, and contents.

I understand that the V8 engine would increase fuel economy by 10% and the purchase price would be reduced by $1000.  Less important but worth mentioning is that the V8 offers more room under the hood for mechanical repairs, and the engine weighs less.

The E450 chassis is another debatable subject matter to me.  Just keep in mind that the 2100 and the 2350 already have plenty of extra cargo carrying capability, more than you will ever achieve under normal use.  The E450's bigger brakes and hydraulic brake booster are surely welcomed, but a rougher ride comes with it.  Motor homes get shaken up enough as it is.  I would not want to shake up my house any more than necessary.  Maybe a leaf spring or two in back could be removed to soften the ride of a 2100/2350 E450.  In general, a softer ride is achieved by having the actual load close to the max capability of the chassis.  For example, the ride of an empty box truck will jar your body.  But load it up and the ride smooths out nicely.

I am not trying to convince you to go with my ideas.  Just sharing my thoughts, giving you something to think about.  One thing certain, I don't claim to be an expert with these things.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: bobojay on August 29, 2014, 01:32:28 pm
Thanks Ron for your ideas. I had to go where Mercedes told me to go to get that front end fixed under warranty. The Ford truck dealer was the only one they knew of and work with that could handle the 24', dually chassis with the class B RV additions. The Ford guy still had issues getting it close to the specs because he ran out of adjustment. MB makes a kit to "extend" the adjustment latitudes but the Ford tech couldn't install them because he's not Sprinter certified. The closest Sprinter dealer to us is 40 miles away and that's a Freightliner dealer, the closest Ford commercial dealer is 4 miles away, and they do a lot of fleet business, so they know the E & F series HD chassis inside out. (I would never buy a vehicle from them however)
Our first Sprinter class C had issues with shaking of the steering wheel and oil leaks of the steering rack. Multiple service visits, about 6 in all, and a new set of front tires and steering rack finally took care of that issue. All that was fixed under warranty too. But what a pain!

I'm basing my Ford chassis and engine choice on my experience with fire, and EMS service Ford vehicles over the last 10 years. Since the new Ford manufactured Powerstroke won't fit in the E series chassis, (that's why the diesel engine option was dropped from the E series if you didn't know), and several Ford long term owner folks that know how little low end torque the 5.4 generates, heavily recommend the V10 over it for a constantly heavily loaded vehicle. Would rather have the 4.56 gear ratio also vs the 4.10, again because of the heavy load. Heck, if money were not a big issue with us, I would much rather have a 4500 Chevy Express chassis with the Duramax diesel & 6L90 6 spd Hydramatic trans. But that's not an option because PC doesn't build on the GM chassis, and the Duramax is an $7k+ option.
If we would go for the 2100, we'd go for the "special" 158" 450 chassis 2100. The 2350 also. We're used to a stiff ride anyway as we've only owned trucks or Jeep Wranglers for the last 5 years. Tire pressure adjustments help with that too
The ride can be dealt with


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on August 29, 2014, 02:05:23 pm
It sounds like you know what you want based from much experience.  Good for you.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: jas on August 29, 2014, 09:50:13 pm
Hello   I just picked up our 2919T on Tue. 8 26 2014. The people at the factory was very helpful. Spent the last 2 days cleaning outside and inside.
 Will load Monday for our first trip next week with the Grandkids on the week end.  We have had two 5 wheels pulled with GMC 3500 dis. This is my first Ford will see how it goes.
I have been on the discussion board about 12 weeks to see what problems I can expect with a new unit.  Thanks for all the tips.

    jas   Huntington WV


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carol on August 30, 2014, 11:29:55 am
Congrats Jas and I hope your maiden voyage (and many after) is a great one!  Drive safe, and have a blast.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: The Bear Den on September 01, 2014, 12:08:35 pm
Hi,

We are the new owners of the 2013 custom gold painted 2400 PC shown on the PC website and on Tube.  Bought it in Ft. Pierce FL the beginning of Aug and took our first 2 week trip to Missouri to see friends last week.  We named it The Bear Den since our 10 yr old rescue male Bichon, Polar Bear, and our 12 yr old Sun Conure Parrot named Sun Bear, travel with us. This was our first RV and first time camping. The dog bed fits nicely behind the drivers seat and the bird cage between the chairs during the day and on the back counter by the ref at night.  A good time was had by all until the trip home.  A rock went through the windshield, kicked up by dump truck in AL.  Insurance company had it fixed by SafeLite promptly.  Then our slide got stuck and the cabinet side would not move.  Were able to manually push it in and out until we got home and call Kermit.  Will be working on fixing it this week. Anyone with tips or tricks please respond.  We stayed mostly at State Parks with full hook ups.  No reservations just stopped when we were tired.

We looked for 6 months and the 2400 was the only unit for us. We did not want to waste space on a separate bedroom, wanted the door at the back, kitchen, bathroom and comfortable seating were a must.  This unit gives us all that and more.  Everything we need fits and everyone is comfortable.  Love our new PC even with the glitches..javascript:void(0);
Steve and Paulette (and the Bears)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: AMW on September 01, 2014, 12:13:25 pm
Welcome and congratulations Steve, Paulette and the two Bears  y--


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carol on September 01, 2014, 09:48:04 pm
Welcome Bears and their Peoples--Hope your slide glitch is fixed relatively easily and I am glad to hear you are very happy with your choice regardless of glitches.  I also love to go the State Park route, especially having a doggie.  Usually there is plenty of land and roadway and trail way to get some great dog walks in, and the prices are pretty reasonable compared to private parks.
Good luck on your future travels!


Title: New PC owner Coaster
Post by: coaster on September 07, 2014, 08:12:57 pm
We just bought a 2013 PC 2350 frrom Earl in July. We are retired and live in Chicago and Englewood Florida for the winter. If you have found any groups or clubs we should join, let us know. Looking forward to using our PC.

Chet & Marsha


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: AMW on September 07, 2014, 08:56:09 pm
Congratulations Chet and Marsha.  I hope you enjoy your 2350.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carol on September 07, 2014, 11:00:11 pm
Welcome Chet and Marsha.  I think there's lots of different RV type groups out there and maybe you can find them by looking around different RV forums.  One Group I am aware of is the Escapees Club, which started as a mail service in Livingston Texas (so full-timers could have a street address and mail forwarded).  They've grown over decades to the point where they have a number of RV parks, as well as co-op owned parks by Escapee members.  Their monthly magazine has a listing of different groups that people can join up to be with people of common interests.  I get a big kick out of the fact that the Christian group is listed next to the nudists group (and I can't help but wonder if there is any cross-membership).  The Escapees has a website with a forum on it that you can register for, like this one, then you can post on it.  It's a large group of people, very knowledgable and helpful.
Good luck!
Carol


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 2 Frazzled on September 08, 2014, 08:20:30 am
Welcome! We belong to several clubs/groups and have saved a good bit on camping fees with the memberships. They include: Good Sam, Passport America, AAA, KOA, and the Federal Senior pass. We are aware of Escapees and FMCA but have not joined those as yet. My recommendation is to see what each group offers and compare to your style of travel and camping. Example: Passport America campgrounds give half off camping to members but usually not on weekends. If you only camp on weekends or if there are no campgrounds near your travels that belong, then you won't recoup your annual fee (40.00 I think).

If you plan to spend any length of time in Georgia, we recommend joining Friends of Georgia State Parks (discount for all veterans). You'll recoup your money quickly with free nights, discounted camping and free admission to state historic sites. We absolutely loved their parks and plan to winter there one year using their half price winter camping deal (specific parks).

We bought a separate credit card wallet to hold all our cards because John's wallet was ready to burst.

You're going to love your Phoenix - enjoy the adventures!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on September 08, 2014, 09:01:06 am
Hello   I just picked up our 2919T on Tue. 8 26 2014. The people at the factory was very helpful. Spent the last 2 days cleaning outside and inside.
 Will load Monday for our first trip next week with the Grandkids on the week end.  We have had two 5 wheels pulled with GMC 3500 dis. This is my first Ford will see how it goes.
I have been on the discussion board about 12 weeks to see what problems I can expect with a new unit.  Thanks for all the tips.

    jas   Huntington WV
Hi jas,
Welcome to the Phoenix family!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on September 08, 2014, 09:02:19 am
Hi,

We are the new owners of the 2013 custom gold painted 2400 PC shown on the PC website and on Tube.  Bought it in Ft. Pierce FL the beginning of Aug and took our first 2 week trip to Missouri to see friends last week.  We named it The Bear Den since our 10 yr old rescue male Bichon, Polar Bear, and our 12 yr old Sun Conure Parrot named Sun Bear, travel with us. This was our first RV and first time camping. The dog bed fits nicely behind the drivers seat and the bird cage between the chairs during the day and on the back counter by the ref at night.  A good time was had by all until the trip home.  A rock went through the windshield, kicked up by dump truck in AL.  Insurance company had it fixed by SafeLite promptly.  Then our slide got stuck and the cabinet side would not move.  Were able to manually push it in and out until we got home and call Kermit.  Will be working on fixing it this week. Anyone with tips or tricks please respond.  We stayed mostly at State Parks with full hook ups.  No reservations just stopped when we were tired.

We looked for 6 months and the 2400 was the only unit for us. We did not want to waste space on a separate bedroom, wanted the door at the back, kitchen, bathroom and comfortable seating were a must.  This unit gives us all that and more.  Everything we need fits and everyone is comfortable.  Love our new PC even with the glitches..javascript:void(0);
Steve and Paulette (and the Bears)
Another new PC owner.  Awesome!  Welcome.

Ron


Title: Re: New PC owner Coaster
Post by: ron.dittmer on September 08, 2014, 09:04:34 am
We just bought a 2013 PC 2350 frrom Earl in July. We are retired and live in Chicago and Englewood Florida for the winter. If you have found any groups or clubs we should join, let us know. Looking forward to using our PC.

Chet & Marsha
Yet another new PC owner.  It is great that so many new owners get connected on this form.  We learn so much from each other.  Welcome Chet & Marsha.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: bobojay on September 08, 2014, 03:52:50 pm
The couple weeks I've been around this forum has been so valuable in the PC learning process thanks to all the friendly folks here that love their RV's


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on September 08, 2014, 05:02:39 pm
Chet and Marsha,
Welcome to the FORUM y-- y-- y-- and congrats on your new PC.

We live in Punta Gorda Fl. We are now on our way back to FL from New England. It is always fun to meet PC owners. There are a few of us who TRY (the operative word) to meet at W.P Franklin Corps of Engineers Park in January. We would love to have you, or anyone who is in Southwest FL in Jan. meet up with us. We plan to be there on 1/21, 1/22 and 1/23 (I think). If you guys are interested, I will check when we get home. Sites are hard to get there in the winter.

Judi and George


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: bobkbusch on September 19, 2014, 04:10:50 pm
Howdy All from Colorado Springs!

My wife, Jennifer, and I have been in the hunt for an RV for about five months.  I am about seven years from retiring, so we wanted something that we could use primarily in Colorado to haul our ATV trailer and spend a few days at a time mostly dry camping.  We will take longer out of state trips when we can, but those will be fewer and farther between than we'd like for now.

After many hours online, many visits to dealerships, a visit to the Hershey show last week, and meeting some great folks from the InterVec Travel Club in Colorado Springs last week, we finally settled on a PC2350!  Our intent was to order new, but as luck would have it, an individual on this forum was selling his 2014 2350 last week in Colorado.  After looking at it, we took the plunge and got a fantastic deal.  We are calling it our "starter" motorhome with the longer term goal of ordering another PC eventually with the exact tweaks we want after having some experience under our belt.

I want to say "THANKS" to Earl for spending so much time with me at the Hershey show.  I feel somewhat guilty buying a used unit after that, but again, it was a fantastic deal that presented itself after we returned from the show.  Also, we met Kermit at the InterVec reunion last week and I'm very appreciative that he is willing to personally answer questions even from someone that did not purchase new. 

Having said that, I'm sure we will have many more questions going forward as we are new to RVing.  I am going to try to refrain from bugging the factory if possible, so I will be coming here to search for information and ask for advice if necessary.  Thanks to all who post here, it has already been very helpful!

Bob


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on September 19, 2014, 05:06:24 pm
Welcome to the Forum and congrats on your PC!!!! We can guarantee that you will be as happy with your PC as we have been with our 3--I can say that we finally got it right (for us and the way that we use it) after the 3rd try, although all have been wonderful rigs and the support from the factory has been supurb.

We stayed in CS last year at the Air Force Academy Campground, courtesy of our nephew. We thoroughly enjoyed our time there. What a beautiful area!!

Again Welcome y-- y-- y--and congrats. If you are ever in FL, let us know!!

Judi and George



Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carol on September 19, 2014, 09:19:26 pm
Welcome Jennifer and Bob--What a lovely serendipitous purchase!  Wishing you much enjoyment!
Carol


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Dale and Cindy on September 27, 2014, 06:05:53 pm
Hello - We are Dale and Cindy Gentry and we will be taking delivery of our new PC2350 on October 15, 2014.  We are very excited!  We currently have a 34' fifth wheel, but we are looking forward to downsizing and enjoying the flexibility that the Phoenix Cruiser offers.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carol on September 27, 2014, 08:32:55 pm
Hello and Welcome Dale and Cindy.  Have a blast with your new rig.  Won't be long now!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: mee on October 29, 2014, 10:43:57 am
Hello PC Family,

We are Charlotte and Milton and recently joined the Phoenix Cruiser family with the purchase of a slightly used  2013 2350.  For about 11 years we owned 5th wheel trailers and camped at every opportunity, however recent health issues made downsizing a necessity.

For months we looked at smaller class A's, but these just did not seem to be the right fit nor meet our need for a smaller RV where we could go almost anywhere and find a place to camp.  Class C's' with the "over the cab" bed and larger physical size proved to be more of the same.  Another issue is that Charlotte did not want to drive a pickup/5er not did a class A or C look more inviting.

While browsing through a Trailer Life magazine we saw a small advertisement for Phoenix Cruiser, visited the web page and were soon convinced this is what we are looking for.  We talked to Earl several times regarding a new unit, but still needed to move the 5th wheel before a new purchase of a 2350.  Used looked like the best plan, especially if a reasonable trade with the 5th wheel could be made.

Watching for used Phoenix Cruisers, especially for late model 2350s and 2552s, is interesting; there are few.  Finally, after 4 months of checking almost daily, two identical 2350s were listed, each with less than 5000 miles on the odometer, configured as we would have ordered.  A quick trip 500 miles north of our home to look at the first of the two, we found a coach slightly used in as new condition and the trade was made.  

We have never seen a PC before now, did not know there was a B+ configuration.  I looked a hundreds of Cruiser pictures, on this PC site and else where, so pictures is all we had to help form our decision.  We had taken Earl's construction video tour many times, so we knew the RV inside and out.  When we sat down in our 2350 for the first time, I felt like I had been in this RV dozens of times!  We knew what to look for and performed our own PDI finding not one open issue, with the exception of tires on recall by Michelin, got 7 new ones now.

The 2350 is just right for us.  The fit and finish is very good and the quality is there.  I have found a few things that will require some attention, especially in regards to the driving/handling of the Ford E350 chassis.  I have read a lot of helpful information on this forum and have already made several chassis changes, some of which i will detail in another post.

We are happy to be here and are enjoying our Phoenix Cruiser .

Milton



Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TomHanlon on October 29, 2014, 11:25:56 am
Welcome to our family. It looks like you got a nice one there. I hope you join our club and can attend some of the rallies.

 (w) (w) (w) (w)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Benny820 on October 29, 2014, 02:46:52 pm
 (w). Hi  Milton, Bev and I are hoping to buy a new 2351, new model, in January. You mentioned you traded your 5th wheel. Was that to Earl, that's where we are at present, 5th is in consignment awaiting sale. tymote.   Tim


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: AMW on October 29, 2014, 05:26:08 pm
Welcome Charlotte and Milton.  Looking forward to details and photos as you make your new PC to suit your dreams. y--


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: mee on October 29, 2014, 06:05:30 pm
(w). Hi  Milton, Bev and I are hoping to buy a new 2351, new model, in January. You mentioned you traded your 5th wheel. Was that to Earl, that's where we are at present, 5th is in consignment awaiting sale. tymote.   Tim

Hi Tim,

No, Earl was not anxious to take our 5th wheel in trade as he said he had too many in stock at the time although it was a 2011.  We found the 2350 in Kansas and it was a consignment placed with that RV dealer.

We actually received more from the trade considering the tax advantage than selling the 5th wheel outright.  Having sold a previous 5th wheel, which took months, we were not prepared to wait for this one to sell.  Placing adds on RV Trader, newspapers, Craig's List, etc.; to do that again was not something we wanted to do again.  Also saving $15k with an almost new one compared to a new build was as added bonus.  It worked for us.

Milton     


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Benny820 on October 29, 2014, 07:50:32 pm
Thank you and long, happy travels. tymote


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Dave on December 01, 2014, 02:22:16 pm
We're dave and betty, we plan to buy a 2552 at the fort myers rv show.  We've been full time for 17 years and we've decided to settle down, a little.  We ordered a 5th wheel to replace the 40 foot tiffin bus we live in now.  This spring we will add a Phoenix cruiser to the stable for summer time fun on the road.  We started rving in 1984 in a volkswagen pop top Westfalia and went to class C in a Lazy Daze and on up the chain.
     We're excited about the change in life style and more than a little scared at the same time.  We enjoy the forum and it has helped us decide on which rv to buy.  We visited the factory in May, while at a rally in
Goshen and were impressed with it all.  Our home base is in Naples, Fl.  We look forward to chatting with you all on the forum.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: AMW on December 01, 2014, 03:58:19 pm
Welcome Dave and Betty.  With 17 years of full-timing under your belt, I expect you will have lots of helpful ideas to share.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on December 01, 2014, 04:51:40 pm
Welcome Dave and Betty and congrats. You made the right decision. We have had 3 PCs (2350 Sprinter, 2551 and now a 2910, 1 slide). We live in Punta Gorda FL. If you have any questions or would like to take a look at our unit, don't hesitate to PM us.

We also plan to be at WP Franklin COE in January (20, 21 and 22). Barry and Sue will be there at that time as well so come on down!!!

Judi


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carol on December 01, 2014, 05:30:50 pm
Welcome to the family and the forum, Dave and Betty.  Don't worry, scared is good!  Keeps ya on yer toes.   :lol
Looking forward to your full-timer perspective!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 9X on December 06, 2014, 02:36:28 pm
Hi Everyone,
   We’re Sharon and David and we just took delivery of a new to us 2008 2551 (our first motor home) on November 13th.  We had been looking at Class C and B+ coaches and discovered the PC brand.  Reading this Forum and having visited the factory in July sealed the deal.  We looked at several 2350’s before settling on the 2551 floor plan.
   We will primarily be using the motor home while attending regional and national soaring (gliding) events across the country. 
   I have been spending hours reading posts on the Forum learning all I can about PC’s paying particular attention to posts about motor home systems.  It been fun to get to know everyone and I know that I will have many questions and will use the Forum to get answers.

David and Sharon




Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TomHanlon on December 06, 2014, 03:47:07 pm
Welcome David and Sharon, it is good to see another fellow Marylander in our great little group. I see you live East of Baltimore while I live west of it. I hope we get to meet sometime.

 (w)     (w)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 9X on December 06, 2014, 04:01:19 pm
Thanks fro the welcome Tom.  We live in Frederick MD.

David


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carol on December 06, 2014, 07:03:48 pm
Welcome David and Sharon, and congrats on your new (to you) motor home.  I hope you have many splendid years of enjoyment with it!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on December 07, 2014, 08:12:01 am
Welcome David and Sharon from me too.
I suggest you spend some time in the Tips and Tricks section.  You may find the older posts  especially interesting as  they are zoomed in on the  earlier model years.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TomHanlon on December 07, 2014, 08:22:32 am
Thanks fro the welcome Tom.  We live in Frederick MD.

David

Oops, I thought you lived east of Baltimore but I was wrong again.

We live in Glenwood, just of half way from Frederick to Baltimore. We do a lot of our shopping and have many friends that live in Frederick. My wife and I are both retired and have lots of free time if you want to get together some time.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 9X on December 07, 2014, 11:42:10 am
Thanks for the welcome Ron.  I have read the Tricks and Tips section paying particular attention to your post on the Tripp Lite Inverter/Charger.  I am still trying to understand the coach electrical system and will likely have questions specific to the Tripp Lite system.  I will ask for help for sure!

David


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 9X on December 07, 2014, 11:52:11 am
Tom,
Sharon retired about three years ago and I retired in March :).  We would enjoy the meeting you and your wife and spend some time talking about our PC's.

Thanks,

David


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on December 07, 2014, 04:17:48 pm
Thanks for the welcome Ron.  I have read the Tricks and Tips section paying particular attention to your post on the Tripp Lite Inverter/Charger.  I am still trying to understand the coach electrical system and will likely have questions specific to the Tripp Lite system.  I will ask for help for sure!

David
Feel free to email me direct with any such questions.  I am listed under "Members" as is everyone else here.  My email address is easily selectable there.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 2 Frazzled on December 10, 2014, 03:40:04 pm
Welcome David and Sharon! John and I would also love to meet you. Our home base is Frederick (Ballenger Creek area). We'll be staying at our son's house in Frederick for the holidays. Maybe we can do a little PC People gathering.

Holly


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Stewie's waggin on December 11, 2014, 09:59:47 am
Hello members,

We are Dave and Kristina (and our sm dog, Stewie).  We recently purchased our first RV and decided to go with Phoenix Cruiser after much research.  It is winterized in our driveway in Penna. right now and we are very excited to get on the road as soon as the weather breaks. 
This forum has been very helpful in understanding our PC and we look forward to the future traveling the roads and highways of this huge country. 


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: AMW on December 11, 2014, 11:14:50 am
Welcome Dave, Kristina and Stewie,  seems like there are quite a few PC owners in PA.  y'all need to drive south and get rid of all that "winterizing".  Happy travels to you.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 9X on December 11, 2014, 01:06:48 pm
Holly,  we live in Clover Hil 2l East a block or two north of FCC.  A PC gathering would be fun. Private message me and lets see if ww can arrange a suitable time and meeting place.

David


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carol on December 11, 2014, 07:33:18 pm
Welcome Stewie's Waggin'--What a great name!
I hope you enjoy many years and miles in your PC.  I bet it will be hard waiting for Spring, but at least you will have lots of time to get things ready!  (and if you celebrate Christmas, gift choices will be easy this year hahaha)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on December 12, 2014, 07:22:58 am
Welcome to the PC family Dave and Kristina.  :)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 2 Frazzled on December 12, 2014, 07:10:04 pm
David, I sent you a personal message with our contact info.

Everyone in the MD, VA, DC, DE, PA area, or anywhere else for that matter, that will be in or around Frederick Maryland on Saturday, January 3rd, 2015 - You are invited to an "After the Holidays" open house at our son's house in Frederick Maryland from 3pm until whenever. We will put out a bunch of food and beverages and miscellaneous people will wander through, hang out, eat, drink, and be merry. There will be no gift giving, no caroling, no family drama (my standing rule of "play nice or go home" has worked well over the years). Just people meeting people.

We do not require RSVP's but you'll need to send me a personal message to get the address as I don't want to post it publicly AND it gives us a ballpark headcount for planning purposes. This is a totally relaxed affair. Our son loves to cook food and hang out with people. We want to touch base with people that are gone or busy over the holidays. I'm posting this here because we'd love to see all our fellow Phoenix owners that we've met or have yet to meet (if we haven't met you and you're a cranky person, please note the "play nice or go home" rule stated above).

Hope to see some of you there.

I wish a safe and happy holiday season to all!
     Holly

(to answer the unasked - no, I am not a Christmas baby, I was born on the first day of summer, my mother was... confused)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: CrazyG on December 24, 2014, 10:39:36 am
Greetings PCer's   hithere, and Happy Holidays to you !! heartshower
My name is Tony Graupp & my wife's name is Bonnie....
Currently we don't own a PC, but it is in our plans to purchase a 2551 or 2552....
We're not new to the RV & camping world, as we had owned a 32' Holiday Rambler TT for 14 years, and towed it to Alaska, the maritime provinces, and to Florida on may occasions ...
I chose the 'handle' Crazyg, because of all the crazy things owning a camper RV affords you to do....On 2 separate occasions we sold our furnished house right out from under us, and had to full time for  a year or year & 1/2 each time while we decided to either buy or build a house....
We settled in the WNC mountains currently, and are looking to replace  the TT camper...
The last crazy thing we did, was to sell our camper right out from underneath us, while were in the middle of a 10 week trip to Florida....Because of my age [late 70's], I get tired of driving after a couple of hours, and my wife Bonnie refused to drive the big rig stretched out 50', and weighing nearly 19,000#.....So I gave her an ultimatum...you either drive it or we sell it.....WELL!!!! The next thing she said was go ahead....SOO!!! I went to WalMart, bought a
'For Sale' sign, put our phone number on it, and taped to the Camper....
Low and behold, 3 or 4 people passing thru the camp sites saw it, and it only takes one buyer...5 weeks into our sojourn, I watched as my beautiful camper was being towed away by
some total stranger.....I can still remember it vividly... >(
As a side note, do you realize how hard it is to sell any RV ???? Literally thousands available...
SO, Now, you want to call me Crazy or what ??? (exactly)..
I've spent a lot of time on the internet, looking at different models, and I think I've narrowed down to the PC....Most importantly, something my wife can drive....We checked on a class A diesel....and she just flat out NO!!...I currently have a diesel Excursion, that I towed the TT with, and she feels that the E-450 wouldn't be that much worse to drive....
So, now it's just a matter of getting our finances together, and finding the exact unit that suites our needs....
Again !!!  Merry Christmas to you all, and have one on me .. :)(:



Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carol on December 24, 2014, 05:15:48 pm
Welcome to the forum Crazy & wife!  :-D
Your depth of RV'ing experience, not to mention an obvious bent toward viewing things with a sense of humor, will be a welcome addition here, I'm sure.
Have a Merry Christmas, and keep us posted on your progress.
 


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Latte-duh on January 03, 2015, 03:24:18 pm
Hi Everyone,

We're Claudia and Mack Consigny and happy owners of a used but new to us 2014  2910D.


I want to say thank you to all of you for your posts. They convinced us that the Phoenix cruiser was the way for us. We are first time rvers, but since October we have been having the most wonderful time in our cruiser. Mack and I were in the middle of  planning a trip to Elkhart when two one year old cruisers were advertised on the internet. Only one replied to our inquiry so after an outside  inspection for us in Atlanta, Mack and I flew out and brought Late-duh home to California. We've had one long weekend camping near by and then a ten day Christmas trip to Tucson to spend the holiday with family.

We're still working out some kinks (mostly broken latches and what and how much to bring),but are totally hooked and hope to spend at least a year full timing in the future.

Thank you again for all of your help. I've admired you from afar and look forward to being a part of such a great  group of people.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on January 03, 2015, 04:11:50 pm
Welcome and congrats on your 2910! y-- Our 3rd PC is a 2013 2910 with a single slide and WE LOVE IT!! We wanted twin beds, so the Factory built a model with the twins for us. We also did some other modifications that worked out very well. We posted pics of our unit-check them out.

We spend about 3-4 monthes in the summer away from Florida (had enough of hurricanes) and the rig is very comfortable for that amount of time.

Anyway, welcome and if you have any questions, just holler!!!

Judi


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carol on January 04, 2015, 08:36:32 am
Welcome Claudia and Mack--Good luck with your new rig and wishing you many, many years of adventure and enjoyment!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: jfcaramagno on January 21, 2015, 03:36:57 pm
Hello from John and Carol in the Sierra foothills. We are retired and have been RVing for 10 years. We will take possession of a 2014 PC 2552 in Feburary. Our favorite places to camp are the coast and the forest so we are having the factory install a solar panel so we can dry camp for extended periods without using the generator. Sometime in the future are planning to take the PC to Alaska.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carol on January 21, 2015, 07:20:55 pm
Welcome Carol & John--February is coming up so fast!  Good luck in picking up your new rig and welcome to the PC family.  Lots of really knowledgable people here on the forum, in addition to the PC crew, to help with any questions.  Safe travels!
Carol


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Pax on January 21, 2015, 10:08:24 pm
Welcome, John and Carol!  (the same John and Carol I showed our 2552 to??)

    - Mike


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on January 22, 2015, 02:02:19 pm
Hello from John and Carol in the Sierra foothills. We are retired and have been RVing for 10 years. We will take possession of a 2014 PC 2552 in Feburary. Our favorite places to camp are the coast and the forest so we are having the factory install a solar panel so we can dry camp for extended periods without using the generator. Sometime in the future are planning to take the PC to Alaska.
Welcome John and Carol to the PC forum, and soon to the family.  When you have questions about your rig (and you will), you know where to ask.  Your fellow forum members are here to serve up the answers the best we can.  :)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: jfcaramagno on January 29, 2015, 02:31:28 pm
Welcome, John and Carol!  (the same John and Carol I showed our 2552 to??)

    - Mike
Yes, Mike, the same John and Carol. Thanks again for letting us see your rig, it clinched the deal for us.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: IC00668 on February 26, 2015, 04:09:00 pm
Welcome to Phoenix USA RV's Discussion Board. We think you'll find this is a nice place to hang out. Why don't you start off with a little introduction and tell us a bit about yourself?

I go by Jim, My 8YO female apple head Chihuahua goes my "Winnie", my 10YO Toy Poodle mix goes by "Puppy". We live Full time in my Model 2100 SO 2002 Phoenix Cruiser.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carol on February 26, 2015, 07:14:46 pm
Welcome Jim, Winnie, and Puppy!
... and pardon the dumb question, but what exactly is an "apple head chihuahua?"  Some kind of fancy breed or just a fancy name for a special girl?   :-D


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Joseph on March 01, 2015, 11:35:12 am
Hi, I'm Joseph and my better half and best friend is Maria. We live in Indio Ca (Palm Springs). I will be retiring next year and the search has been on to find a motor home to fit our needs. I've traveled most of the world for my work and in retirement want to spend some time exploring the country we Love.  We have done a lot of travel in the US on two wheels, now it's time for a few more.

In our search I started out looking for an older Dynamax or Born free. One day I spotted a PC on the road that caught my eye. After a little searching on multiple forums PC became a front runner. By the way, a few of you here should be getting rewards points from PC as you've really helped narrow my search.  Ron D. should have his picture on the wall at the factory   :-D.

This past week we placed a deposit on a 2011 PC2551 with 19,000 miles at a dealer in Montana. If it is everything they showed and briefed me on (I'm betting it is) I will be bringing it home next weekend.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Pax on March 01, 2015, 02:04:53 pm
Welcome!  We hope you like yours as much as we like ours!  Joni and I (and our two little dogs) put 9500 miles on our 2552 last year and found it very comfortable, versatile and easy to manage.

Interesting that you are from Palm Springs (with so many RV's and motorhomes around) and settled on a relatively little-known PC.  Good luck and don't hesitate to post your questions, ideas, modifications, etc.!!

   - Mike and Joni


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Joseph on March 01, 2015, 02:42:51 pm
Thank you Mike. Yes there are thousands of motorhomes out here, at least during snow bird season.  Most are huge, many range from $400,000 and up.  We simply don't want a monster to travel in. Matter of fact I found some killer deals on used diesel pushers that were truly elegant but again, huge.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Bruce and Sharon on March 02, 2015, 01:05:30 am
Welcome Joseph and Maria,
We're almost neighbors to you as we live about one-half year in Palm Desert Greens.  We recently "right-sized" to our 2552 from a 37' diesel pusher and have no regrets about that decision.  We love our PC.
--Bruce and Sharon


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Joseph on March 02, 2015, 12:22:50 pm
Bruce and Sharon, thank you. Palm Desert is a beautiful area.  We live off of Jefferson and miles (Indian Springs Country club).
I'm happy to hear you have no regrets downsizing. Some of my friends are going the other route 30 foot to 40 and are not full timers just weekends here and there and a vacation period for 2 people. So hearing from someone who went the other route makes me feel better about not going large. This sounds like a impossibility but we're attempting to do it once and get it right the first time. All too many tell me it can't be done.  I guess only time will tell.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Lakedog on March 07, 2015, 11:17:37 am
Hello, just wanted to introduce myself.  I have spent sometime looking through the forum, and there is lots of good info here. 

I am not a current owner but am in the process of searching for a small PC (2100 or 2350), hoping to find a newer, lightly used rig.  I may order one or think about one of the factory inventory units if I don't find a suitable used PC soon.  So far, the few possibles I have found are quite a ways from me so checking them out is the biggest hurdle. 

My only RV experience was owning one of the Tiger 4WD truck based RVs (manufactured in SC) a couple of years ago.  It was nice for my intended use - exploring national forests and parks in the western US but a bit lacking in space and comfort for extended use.  I still want something with a short wheelbase to make it easier to get around, and it is just me and my old black lab. 

I plan to full-time for at least a few months as I am currently homeless by choice (recently sold my lake house in Alabama).  I have been renting short term vacation properties while I search for the right RV.   

Greg


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: RheaNL on March 07, 2015, 10:57:54 pm
Welcome! You found the place to get lots of good information and assistance. We have the 2100 (2013) with slide and find it works well for us. We (husband and wife) lived in it for about 6 weeks when our house sold way quicker than anticipated and survived it very well. We shopped, researched, and rented for 3 years. Was looking for used, but the used PC2100s are few and far between. Then a new one came on the market with a killer deal because of a cancelled custom order and we jumped on it. No regrets. We don't tow because we went small to have the ability to drive easily in cities and park like a car. We do rent cars along the way. Only once was that not an option when we wanted one--Big Bend National Park.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on March 08, 2015, 01:43:57 am
Hi Greg/Lakedog,

I think the 2100 is a very efficient rig.  I personally would do it up differently to utilize the interior better.   I also feel the smaller V8 E350 engine offers enough power for it's size and weight.  I think the 2100 is ideal for a single person, but will work with two as long as you are real careful in what you bring.  I see pictures of 2100s with hitch mounted storage compartments which I feel defeats the purpose.  At that point, I would buy a 2350 and have plenty of indoor & outdoor storage and also a full time double bed and bigger capacities.  A 2350 is more suited for full timing for a multitude of reasons.  But if you travel lightly, the 2100 will be quite the rig for best mobility.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: AMW on March 08, 2015, 07:02:45 am
Welcome Greg.  I agree with Ron, that the 2100 is the smallest but there are advantages to the 2350 at 23' 11", which is still very compact and with a 158" wheelbase, very agile.  The layout that suits your needs best is the first to consider, imo.  I think the 2350 layout is easier for two people, but it depends on how you like to use the living space. If it's the 2100 layout that attracts you over the 2350, then look at the 2400 which is only 3" longer, built on the 164" wheelbase.  I also couldn't find a used unit that would suit my needs so bought new.  This gave me the opportunity to customize a bit.  I wanted the layout type of the 2100/2400 and the shortest unit possible, but I didn't want the 158" chassis cut to 138", and I didn't want to go to the 164" chassis, but would have if that was the only option. Phoenix built my 2100 on the 158" chassis uncut, so my finished unit is 22' 10".  I also built on the E450, but I believe the E350 would have served fine.  I appreciate the extra weight capacity of the E450, and to me it was worth it.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Lakedog on March 08, 2015, 09:45:31 am
Welcome! You found the place to get lots of good information and assistance. We have the 2100 (2013) with slide and find it works well for us. We (husband and wife) lived in it for about 6 weeks when our house sold way quicker than anticipated and survived it very well. We shopped, researched, and rented for 3 years. Was looking for used, but the used PC2100s are few and far between. Then a new one came on the market with a killer deal because of a cancelled custom order and we jumped on it. No regrets. We don't tow because we went small to have the ability to drive easily in cities and park like a car. We do rent cars along the way. Only once was that not an option when we wanted one--Big Bend National Park.
Thanks for the welcome.  I have found a 2013 2100 with slide for sale now which seems like a decent price (around $50k) if in as good of shape as appearing in the photos.  It only has 11,000 miles but is located several hours away so haven't seen in person yet.  My only real concern with the 2100 slide is whether the sleeping situation would work for me as I am 6'2".  Is your sofa bed around that length when extended?


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Lakedog on March 08, 2015, 10:07:03 am
Hi Greg/Lakedog,

I think the 2100 is a very efficient rig.  I personally would do it up differently to utilize the interior better.   I also feel the smaller V8 E350 engine offers enough power for it's size and weight.  I think the 2100 is ideal for a single person, but will work with two as long as you are real careful in what you bring.  I see pictures of 2100s with hitch mounted storage compartments which I feel defeats the purpose.  At that point, I would buy a 2350 and have plenty of indoor & outdoor storage and also a full time double bed and bigger capacities.  A 2350 is more suited for full timing for a multitude of reasons.  But if you travel lightly, the 2100 will be quite the rig for best mobility.
Hi Ron,
Thanks for your thoughts.  I do travel lightly as I sold or donated pretty much everything I owned when I sold my house, only keeping what I could fit in my small SUV.  The 2100 has a bit more room/storage than the Tiger I used to own.  The Tiger was on the F-350 extended cab and 22' total length but being on a truck chassis had much less space in the coach.  I am torn between the 2100 and 2350 since I may decide to full time for quite a while and the 2350 would provide more space.  My old lab needs a bit of space for his bed, food/water bowls, etc.  If I wanted to wait long enough to have one built, I suppose I could delete some of the furniture or eliminate one side of the dinette to gain more floor space?  I also go back and forth on the slide/no slide issue as I prefer fewer moving parts and the simplicity of not having a slide, but the slide does allow a bit more space in such a small rig. 

I should have started my search sooner as I am almost too impatient to wait on a new build, figuring I could always have one built later if necessary to get the perfect PC if I go very long term.   


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Lakedog on March 08, 2015, 10:33:19 am
Welcome Greg.  I agree with Ron, that the 2100 is the smallest but there are advantages to the 2350 at 23' 11", which is still very compact and with a 158" wheelbase, very agile.  The layout that suits your needs best is the first to consider, imo.  I think the 2350 layout is easier for two people, but it depends on how you like to use the living space. If it's the 2100 layout that attracts you over the 2350, then look at the 2400 which is only 3" longer, built on the 164" wheelbase.  I also couldn't find a used unit that would suit my needs so bought new.  This gave me the opportunity to customize a bit.  I wanted the layout type of the 2100/2400 and the shortest unit possible, but I didn't want the 158" chassis cut to 138", and I didn't want to go to the 164" chassis, but would have if that was the only option. Phoenix built my 2100 on the 158" chassis uncut, so my finished unit is 22' 10".  I also built on the E450, but I believe the E350 would have served fine.  I appreciate the extra weight capacity of the E450, and to me it was worth it.
Thanks for the welcome and your thoughts on the various PC models.  It sounds like the factory is more open to allowing customization than I would have guessed.  I have been in contact with Earl at PC about build times, slide vs no slide, and a few other things, and he has been quite helpful, but I did not really think about some of the options you mentioned above. 

There aren't too many late model PCs out there for sale but there are a few.  I just need to do some driving to check them out.  There are a couple in FL right now on dealer lots that look interesting (2013 2100 with slide, 2011 2350 with no slide).  I like the short wheelbase of the 2100 but the 158" on the 2350 is the same as the small Tiger RV I had previously, and it was fine for my typical use.

The factory does have all three models (2100, 2350, 2400) you mentioned in inventory right now so that might be my best bet - visit the factory and compare (and possibly buy one of those). 

I notice you have no slide - has that worked out as well as expected?  If you were full timing, would you still go with no slide?  Lots to consider!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: AMW on March 08, 2015, 10:54:18 am
I had My 2100 on the 158" wheelbase built with no slide because I need some specialized interior configuration. I had two slides on my 34' diesel pusher and do not miss having slides.  Without the slide I gained interior horizontal space and storage and saved weight.  I don't full time, but if I did I think the extra storage would be valuable to me.  Also no mechanical/leak issues.  However my perspective is from one person traveling alone (with two large dogs).


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Lakedog on March 08, 2015, 11:05:43 am
I do like the idea of not having a slide for the reasons you mention, particularly with a 2350 since it has a permanent bed.  Like you, I will be traveling alone (but with only one large dog).  Thanks for the info.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: RheaNL on March 08, 2015, 11:23:10 am
At 6'2" and a dog (with stuff) the size of a lab, it would be a push on living space in the 2100.  Slide bed would be short. For us (husband 5'6" and wife 5") it works great. Maybe the no slide with jackknife sofa would work, but a lot less living space inside. Also, you need to see how the bathroom would work. We have no storage issues because we do travel lite and make good use of all space.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on March 08, 2015, 01:14:01 pm
You are 6'-2" tall?  With hiking shoes on, you will likely hit your head on the a/c and lighting.  Don't buy sight unseen for that reason.  You need to size yourself up.  Every PC has the same ceiling concerns.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TomHanlon on March 08, 2015, 01:22:34 pm
Hi Lakedog, welcome to our merry little band.

If it was me in your circumstances I would condsider the 2400 that is already built because the wheel base is 6 inches longer, better ride and handling, while the coach is only 2 inches longer than the 2350. I would have the factory remove the front euro chair and put the dogs bed there. I would leave the table and rear chair for working and eating at. I would ask them to make a drop down floor to cover the step. Hinged to the wall with a rope to pull it back up. Some type of latch to hold it up.

I know making up a bed every night can a sob, but the bed in the 2350 we had was a real SOB to make.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Lakedog on March 08, 2015, 04:46:41 pm
You are 6'-2" tall?  With hiking shoes on, you will likely hit your head on the a/c and lighting.  Don't buy sight unseen for that reason.  You need to size yourself up.  Every PC has the same ceiling concerns.
Hey Ron,
The ceiling height is similar to my previous RV, and the shower is right at 6'2" so would work okay.  I got used to ducking/avoiding the AC and won't be spending a lot of time inside except for sleeping or foul weather so I think the PC will work.  I won't commit to anything until I check out in person.  I don't find many things where being tall is a disadvantage but RV ceiling height can certainly be an issue.  I am tall but slim as I am a runner/hiker so don't require a lot of space - my lab is 12 and does enjoy a bit of space but he is fine with an area for his bed, food and water.  Of course, he likes the couch or a real bed during the day but sleeps on his bed at night.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Lakedog on March 08, 2015, 04:52:34 pm
Hi Lakedog, welcome to our merry little band.

If it was me in your circumstances I would condsider the 2400 that is already built because the wheel base is 6 inches longer, better ride and handling, while the coach is only 2 inches longer than the 2350. I would have the factory remove the front euro chair and put the dogs bed there. I would leave the table and rear chair for working and eating at. I would ask them to make a drop down floor to cover the step. Hinged to the wall with a rope to pull it back up. Some type of latch to hold it up.

I know making up a bed every night can a sob, but the bed in the 2350 we had was a real SOB to make.
Hi Tom, thanks for the welcome.

I do like the layout of the 2400, and I think it has a larger sofa bed (queen size?).  I particularly like the euro chairs with small table setup as I would never use a dinette.  Your suggestions sound like a workable solution.  Hopefully the smaller units in inventory will still be available when I can get up to the factory. 


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carol on March 08, 2015, 05:18:14 pm
Hi Greg, and welcome.  What fun it is to brew all those possibilities over in your head, huh?  I'll chime in my perspective, as a fellow solo-with-dog traveler, and touch on a couple of points you brought up.

I have a no-slide (did not want that complication and preferred the extra cabinet space) 2351, which is one foot longer than the 2350 but the same layout (an extra closet on each side for the extra foot).  The floor plan works great for me and my girl (she is 33 pounds, not huge but not a lil 'un either).  In place of the free standing chair behind the passenger seat, they put in the floor to ceiling cabinet that you see in some of the other models (the 3100 I think).  Tons of storage space in there, and a nice size dog bed fits beautifully at its bottom, leaving enough room to step into the cab area without treading on the dog. 

The dinette is great because I spend a fair amount of time on the computer, but it does get hard after a few hours.  So I use the passenger seat (it swivels) for a more comfortable spot to sit and read or sew or just gaze out the window.  With the bed in the back, and the rig not being all that long, I can read and enjoy TV easily from back there.

The bed is a pain to make if you like a nicely made bed.  So I decided not to stress about that and I just do my best and then move along with my day.

I have photos of my rig from when it was brand new in the photos section of the forum.  They would have been posted sometime during July of 2014.

I purchased it sight unseen, and without having ever seen another PC in person.  I did attend RV shows and got used to what size and floor plan would work for me, but it was unrealistic to make a trip to Elkhart for my so I took the plunge without doing so.  I haven't regretted a moment since.

Good luck in your search and don't forget, have fun!!

Carol



Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on March 08, 2015, 06:25:25 pm
Just throwing this option out there for you.

Model 2351 can be ordered with the rear corner bed one foot longer by deleting the pantry in between stove & bed.  You will gain that much more outdoor storage along with the foot longer bed.  Also, I believe you can special order the double bed a bit narrower.  You delete the bed-side window and have a wall of cabinets at the same depth as the current overhead cabinet on that wall.  That is something to consider if always sleeping alone and you seek piles of extra indoor storage.  For resale purposes, have the  extra cabinetry removable.  A window can always be added by the next buyer.

Just keep in-mind that the length of a 2351 shown here starts to get a bit long at 24'-11".
(http://www.phoenixusarv.com/assets/models/2351/2351-fp.png)

Here is the 2350 for comparison which is 23'-8" long.
(http://www.phoenixusarv.com/assets/models/2350/2350-fp.png)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Lakedog on March 08, 2015, 06:29:03 pm
Hi Carol, thanks for the welcome and info on your 2351.  I did take a look at the photos - really nice rig!

Interesting that you ordered a PC without having actually looked at one in person, and it seems that your experience has been very positive.  I guess I am trying to weigh size/comfort against mobility since I enjoy undeveloped areas that are not accessible with larger RVs and would rarely use a campground of any kind.  Your 2351 isn't too much longer than the 2350/2400 but does have a bit longer wheelbase.  

I don't plan to use a toad either so as small as possible while still providing an adequate comfort level is my goal.  I realize that each person has a different idea of what that might mean in terms of the perfect RV.  You guys are giving me a lot to think about!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Lakedog on March 08, 2015, 06:39:47 pm
Hi Ron,
Thanks for the suggestion on the 2351 mods.  As you mentioned, the 2351 is a bit longer in length and wheelbase (compared to the 2350 and 2400) so that may be longer than I would want.  I think the beds in the 2350 and 2400 would be long enough if I am thinking of the right setups - if the bed in the 2350 is 76" and the 2400 is a queen size.  Seems there are all kinds of options if I want to have one built.  With warm weather on the horizon, I'm not sure I can wait that long!  Earl indicated 8 to 10 weeks when we last emailed a few days ago.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 2 Frazzled on March 15, 2015, 07:20:52 am
Hello Greg,
I scrolled back through your posts and don't think this subject was covered so I wanted to toss one more thing out for consideration - 4 wheel drive. Phoenix offers that option and it might be worthwhile for someone that truly wanders the back roads of our national parks and forests. We have the standard E-450 chassis and have been fine but we tow a Subaru so all our creek crossings and trips down rutted dirt roads have been in that instead of the Phoenix. I know that option would probably require a wait as there aren't that many used ones out there but it's such a thrill to have your perfect house presented to you at the end. Good luck on your search and decision making.
Holly


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: bhgareau on March 15, 2015, 11:36:45 am
We own a 4x4 model 2400 PC. Four wheel drive on a motor home has its advantages and disadvantages. Keep in mind it weighs in over 12,000 lbs and has a fairly high center of gravity. It is not a Jeep Wrangler. We love our PC and it is really good on snow covered roads and ok on mud as long as there is a solid base, but I would not classify it as a off road vehicle.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Lakedog on March 15, 2015, 10:12:17 pm
Hello Greg,
I scrolled back through your posts and don't think this subject was covered so I wanted to toss one more thing out for consideration - 4 wheel drive. Phoenix offers that option and it might be worthwhile for someone that truly wanders the back roads of our national parks and forests. We have the standard E-450 chassis and have been fine but we tow a Subaru so all our creek crossings and trips down rutted dirt roads have been in that instead of the Phoenix. I know that option would probably require a wait as there aren't that many used ones out there but it's such a thrill to have your perfect house presented to you at the end. Good luck on your search and decision making.
Holly
Hi Holly,
Thanks for your thoughts.  You are right that a 4WD PC would be a good fit for my use.  My previous RV was a 4WD Tiger built on an extended cab truck chassis but the coach area was a bit small and had a wet bath.  I decided to go ahead and buy a used PC now, figuring I could order exactly what I want if the PC is to my liking and then trade it in on the new one.  I found a 2012 PC 2350 no slide model in very good condition which I just purchased today.  The owner brought it to me this evening and briefly went over the systems/features even though it got dark on us. 

In a couple of weeks, I plan to head out for a few months as a full-timer.  My biggest concern is whether the co-pilot (my black lab, Coal) will adapt as well as I hope to full-time RV life.  He is getting old so I'm not sure how he will do -- I already see that he will need some type of ramp to get in/out due to the narrow (in depth) fold out entry step. 


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: AMW on March 15, 2015, 11:56:38 pm
Congratulations on your new PC.  I also travel with an older dog, 14 years, who must have a ramp to get in and out.  Many ramps are either too long, or have a large hump where they rest on the step, actually making them a stumbling hazard.  I found a perfect size (36"x14") on Amazon.  I peeled off the black friction surface and replaced with a light colored traction tape...as the black surface was invisible to the dog at night, even with a light, and she wouldn't step onto what looked to her like a black hole.  I also replaced the black on the step, and it makes it much more visible.

Ramp: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00JLRR3DU/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Traction tape: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00B05VZMG/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1



Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carol on March 16, 2015, 06:24:17 am
Congrats on your new-to-you PC Lakedog!

And, Ann, that ramp is awesome.  My doggie isn't in need of a ramp yet, but your point about the black step is excellent.  Her eyes aren't what they used to be.  Thanks!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 2 Frazzled on March 16, 2015, 07:54:09 am
Congratulations Greg, and welcome to the PC Family! You should be very comfy and happy in the 2350. Don't worry about your abbreviated training. There are video walk throughs and how-to videos both here and on the main website plus this Forum Community is awesome for giving help. Also don't worry about asking what you think are "dumb" questions. These guys have heard and helped with most of them before... I know because I asked them.

We had a very elderly cat and she adapted quickly. It's amazing how fast they realize they rule their little domain. Their human is usually within sight, responds quickly to their demands, and takes them along on most of their adventures. No more sitting home alone waited for you. Add in the doggie bonus of extra walks and lots of new friends and you should have a happy dog. Happy human, happy dog... happy trails!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Lakedog on March 16, 2015, 09:05:38 am
Congratulations on your new PC.  I also travel with an older dog, 14 years, who must have a ramp to get in and out.  Many ramps are either too long, or have a large hump where they rest on the step, actually making them a stumbling hazard.  I found a perfect size (36"x14") on Amazon.  I peeled off the black friction surface and replaced with a light colored traction tape...as the black surface was invisible to the dog at night, even with a light, and she wouldn't step onto what looked to her like a black hole.  I also replaced the black on the step, and it makes it much more visible.

Ramp: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00JLRR3DU/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Traction tape: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00B05VZMG/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1


Thanks for the info on the ramp and traction tape.  I may need something longer since my unit has the manual step which seems much narrower (front to back) -- I think I may have to use a ramp resting on the lip of the stepwell (just above the fold out step).  If the fold out step was deeper, I believe Coal would go right up it as he can negotiate most steps without much problem.  There could be something to the dark color (as you mentioned) keeping him from making the attempt but I believe it is due to the lower step not protruding outward far enough so he can get to the stepwell.  I'm sure we will find a way to make it work, even if I have to have the electric step installed, assuming it is indeed a deeper step as it appears in your pics.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: AMW on March 16, 2015, 09:53:31 am
My electric step protrudes from the outside face of my door just under 12".  Resting a ramp on the lip of the stairwell means you would have to take it on and off each time you want to use it, and can't leave it in place while you are camped.  I just leave my ramp in place on the step from the time I park to the time I leave, as I can easily step past it, and we seem to go in and out pretty frequently.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Lakedog on March 16, 2015, 10:09:19 am
I will measure my step today to compare with your electric step.  Coal may just need a little adjustment to the step so will see how it goes for a couple of days before deciding on a solution.  Thanks for the info.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Lakedog on March 16, 2015, 01:17:15 pm
My electric step protrudes from the outside face of my door just under 12".  Resting a ramp on the lip of the stairwell means you would have to take it on and off each time you want to use it, and can't leave it in place while you are camped.  I just leave my ramp in place on the step from the time I park to the time I leave, as I can easily step past it, and we seem to go in and out pretty frequently.
The manual step is just under 8" so there is quite a difference.  I extended the step this morning and called him to come inside - rather than try to use the lower step, he jumped over it into the coach.  I will have to work something out as I am afraid he will get hurt doing that.  I am fairly tall so don't really need the lower step to enter easily but the short ramp to the lower step might work for him.  Thanks.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TomHanlon on March 16, 2015, 02:09:01 pm
Do you think that safety step tape would help. I have see it in the auto stores in black and yellow strips. It just tapes to the step and makes it much easier for my dog to see our electric step.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: AMW on March 16, 2015, 02:38:40 pm
The other thing I had to do to make the PC more old dog friendly was to cover the lovely vinyl floor with the not-so-lovely foam puzzle mats.  I first tried the non-skid rugs but my old dog drags her rear feet and would trip on and rumple up the edges and still slip on the bits of floor between the rugs.  So the floor doesn't look as nice, but at least it's safe and still easy to clean.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: JWW on March 25, 2015, 02:49:22 pm
First and foremost, Thanks to all who provide and participate regarding this forum.
My wife and I are currently RVless and spending the time to educate ourselves on the options of B+ and C Class RV's.
We have previously owned 3 Class A Coaches, with the most recent being a 43QBP Tiffin. Decided last fall to downsize so we sold the Bus, and here we are.
The P.C. has made our short list, and we look forward to visiting the factory in the future.
Our favorable floorplan at this point is the 2910D. Will appreciate responses from P.C.owners on a few questions:
1. I feel insulated (double pane) windows are worth the price.
2. I have noticed most units have a single A/C (15,000 btu). I see an option for a second unit is available. 50 amp does not scare us.
3. In reviewing the forum, I have not found much conversation regarding the quality of P.C.'s full body paint. Pictures can be deceptive regarding a good quality paint process.
Your feedback and opinions will be appreciated.
Happy Motoring
Johnny & Kathey


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on March 25, 2015, 03:12:10 pm

1. I feel insulated (double pane) windows are worth the price.

3. In reviewing the forum, I have not found much conversation regarding the quality of P.C.'s full body paint. Pictures can be deceptive regarding a good quality paint process.
Your feedback and opinions will be appreciated.
Happy Motoring
Johnny & Kathey
We have the thermal glass and love it for sound, heat, and cold, and they are effective in all three categories so I "Do" recommend them.

We have the full body paint job and it is now 8 years old.  Keep in-mind our rig stays in a garage when not on trips so I can't say how it holds up from the sun constantly beating on it.  The quality of the paint work is excellent when considering what they are painting.  The different colors meet each other perfectly with clean lines.  You can feel a very smooth clean edge where colors meet but ever so little.  The materials painted vary so the sheen varies.  Some steel, some plastic, some fiberglass, some caulk.  They paint over every irregular surface including seam work.  I don't know how they do it, but it's all aligned from one surface to another so well like a laser beam was involved.  It won't be the finish of a new Chevy, but dang good looking.  There is a little over-spray here and there but very acceptable to me.  Keep in-mind the paint work is only outside.  If you open any door, the jamb will be plain white, including the cab area.  The same for storage compartment jambs, gas door, and other things.  Over the years as our rig has bounced many thousands of miles, the caulk in the seam work flexes ever-so-slightly that there is some fractured paint there.  It is not flaking or loose, and is not gaudy looking....at least not yet.  You'll notice it only if looking for it.

I was very happy to get the full body paint job back then and 8 years later, still feel the same about it.  It looks real sharp.  Back in 2007, I got the paint job 1/3 off the regular price which made the choice easy.

Eight years and counting and no regrets here.

I always thought that even plain white, it would be worth doing.  Paint the RV portion to match the plain white cab up front.  That will keep real easy for cleaning & waxing, and no fading of plastic and such.  White to match the cab white would look most "Production" like, and likely would hold up the best with the sun.  I would think plain white would be significantly cheaper too given the cab is left alone, and no change and details with the different colors either.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Bob Mahon on March 25, 2015, 03:46:07 pm
If you decide to not go with the full body paint, I very strongly suggest you NOT have the decals applied to the top-front of the fiberglass cap. It will catch a lot of sun and eventually crack and/or peel (as it did on my 2 previous units). When we bought our 2552S new in 2011, I had the factory remove them but you can see an outline of where they were. If you have it built, specify no decal in that area.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: JWW on March 25, 2015, 07:21:26 pm
Thank you Ron & Bob for your input. Very much appreciated.
Any feedback on the 2nd A/C option? Does one unit provide adequate cooling in the heat of summer in the high humity we have here in the southeast?
I realize this is relative to the air exchange vs. the cubic footage of the unit, as well as the performance of the insulation of the unit, but nothing beats actual experience.
Our first Class A was a 30 footer, and 1 unit was not enough.
Any other suggestions and or advise regarding  must haves or don't  haves from your experience with P.C.'s will be appreciated.
Happy Motoring
Johnny


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Pax on March 26, 2015, 01:16:19 am
Johnny:

Regarding the A/C unit. ... We opted for 50 amp service in our 2552, and instead of the second A/C unit we had Kermit replace the standard 13,500 BTU unit with a Coleman Mach 15,000 BTU unit.  It performed really well last summer, including high heat and humidity in Upstate New York, South Carolina, Georgia and Florida.  Of course, we ensured the rig was insulated as much as possible and were careful about not leaving doors open, etc.

  - Mike


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TomHanlon on March 26, 2015, 07:40:28 am
Mike, is the 50 amp cable a marine style like the 30 amp? Do you have to carry the cable to the side of the PC and hook it, and plug it in to the post? I remember when I had a Winnie with 50 amps the cable was large, heavy and rather hard to coil. I prefer the lighter 30 amp cable I now have. I have blown the 30 amp one time. I wish Phoenix would install an energy manament system like my Winne had, then there would be no worries with 30 amp.

Johnny the full body paint is the best and most important option you can add on. The southern sun can cause the unpainted fiber glass to calk real bad and fast. The paint will almost pay for itself when you go to sell or trade in.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: JWW on March 26, 2015, 09:13:11 am
Many Thanks to all for the input !
As we have more questions I will post them under a new topic in the general discussion heading.
Happy Motoring
Johnny


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Pax on March 26, 2015, 10:49:30 pm
Tom:

Yes, the 50 amp cable is much heavier than the 30 amp and yes I need to carry it from the rear cabinet to the side to hook it up.  I was a bit concerned at first by the difference in cable size, but it turned out to be a non-issue for me.  It might be for others, however.  I would suggest anyone considering it go to their local Camping World and throw one over their shoulder for a test drive.

Energy Management:  We also had Kermit hard wire a Technology Research Corp Surge Guard (Part #: 34560-004) with remote power LCD monitor at the same location as the tank/battery/lpg display.  Once we engage shore power at the pedestal, it takes about 2 minutes for the surge guard to check out the power source and ensure it is adequate, and then it passes power on to the rig.  We have had a couple of issues at RV parks and campgrounds where the surge guard disconnected our power due to a variety of issues (over or under voltage, reverse polarity, etc.). We think it was money well spent.

  - Mike


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TomHanlon on March 27, 2015, 08:17:34 am
I have the same surge guard but in the portable model. Energy manament I am talking about is much more than surge protection. It monItors your use and can shut down things as needed and restart them when you stop using something. Say you start a coffee maker and the A/C comes on, it might tourn off the electric water heater or the refer until you stop using the coffee maker. I had to watch the monitor lights to see what was happening. Really sweet.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Pax on March 27, 2015, 11:35:17 am
 :coffee I like the idea of that kind of energy management......well, except the part where it could turn off my coffee pot!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Dave on March 31, 2015, 02:54:11 pm
After many weeks we now expect our new 2552 to leave the factory in 6 days and be delivered to Palm rv for delivery to us here in Naples Fl.  Boy it seems like a long wait.  We're two down sizers like many of you.  We miss our Tiffen bus but love our tied down fiver for living. We're looking forward to a. summer of fun enjoying th new cruiser, and not  hauling all our worldly goods around. All of you have helped the time pass plus providing helpful info while waiting.  One more week to go!!!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: donc13 on March 31, 2015, 05:50:39 pm
We are Don and Patti Curtis.  We bought our  2551 at the Good Sam Rally in Phoenix.   We were very happy with the buying experience and love our new motorhome.  We are looking forward to touring the factory.  We have been RVing  for 17 years so we knew what we wanted.  Thanks to Barb for sharing her thoughts about the company and Kermit.  She validated that we made a terrific decision.  Thanks also to Kyle and Earl.  I  have been reading the forum and will make some comments in the appropriate sections below...I  just may not remember  who asked the  question !


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carol on March 31, 2015, 07:11:27 pm
Welcome Dave & Wife, and Don & Patti!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: RandyMac on June 04, 2015, 03:04:56 pm
Hello all, we are Randy and Charlene from Morton Illinois. We will be purchasing a motorhome soon. Just waiting for the magic  59.5 years old to withdraw from our 401k.  I really like the the PC and sure would like to see one before I take the 250 mile drive to Elkhart.  If there is anyone in the Peoria area that would be willing to let us take at look at your motorhome we sure would appreciate it.   


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on June 04, 2015, 03:42:11 pm
If there is anyone in the Peoria area that would be willing to let us take at look at your motorhome we sure would appreciate it.  
Hi Randy and Charlene,

We are a far drive, 2.5 hours away from you in Dundee, IL and our PC is now 8 years old.  We are half way to the factory.  Though the differences are very minor from 2007 to today, I would assume you'd want to see a rig and maybe a particular model that is more current.  Our rig is a 2350 on the older Ford chassis as seen HERE (https://www.flickr.com/photos/37432012@N08/sets/72157617468317295).  You are welcome to come over and pick through it.  We could review the differences to a new 2015.  


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: KB9OMH on June 04, 2015, 05:46:05 pm
Randy and Charlene,
      Hi, we are Jim & Rae Anne from Peoria, IL. we have a PC 3100 and would love to show you ours. If you would like to see it let us know and we can get together.

Jim & Rae Anne


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: RandyMac on June 04, 2015, 09:42:09 pm
Ron D, thanks for the information.  I have been reading alot of your material.  You seem to be  a wealth of knowledge.  We are looking at the possibilities of the 2552 or the 3100.  Our big concerns at this time are inside/outside storage (my wife) and OCCC with both models (me).  We shall see.  Again thank your for the information, I will enjoy reading more posts from you.

Jim & Rae Ann, thank you very much for the invite. The 3100 model is one of the PC's were are interested in.  I checked your profile and see your email is hidden.  If you could send me a email ( check my profile) when it would be a good time to meet with you two,  that would be great.  My wife and I are both retired and came make time in our demanding schedule (haha) just about any day.  Thanks again.  I look forward to hearing from you.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: RandyMac on June 10, 2015, 05:55:35 pm
I want to thank Jim & Rae Anne (KB90MH) for letting us look at their 3100 PC.  What great people.  Based on what we saw and the input from Jim and Rae Anne,  the 3100 is definitely on our short list.

We did happen upon a 2551 that was right here in our home town. Very nice, but just a bit small.  However we have not ruled out the 2552.  We are pretty much done with our research and have narrowed it down to the below listed.  Our next step will be to rent a class C to determine if we actually like the motorhome life.  Thanks everyone for the input.

PC 3100 or 2552
Minnie Winnie 27qp


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: KB9OMH on June 10, 2015, 06:03:30 pm
Randy,
      Good idea on renting the RV, you can always come with us and the fall trip. Great meeting you too.

Jim & Rae Anne



Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Barry-Sue on June 10, 2015, 06:17:02 pm
Randy,

Great idea to rent a class C.  When you do that, decide where you want to camp and then rent in that area.  Mileage charges will be a whole lot less.  We were going to do this the first time we camped.  Had a rental unit all setup to rent in FL, but ran across a deal before we left Michigan and have never been sorry about getting into the MH life.  Great adventures, great friends and just a whole lot of fun.

Sue



Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: savvydog on June 24, 2015, 10:20:41 pm
Hi everybody,

I'm Gretchen and I am picking up my 2014 PC 2600 (stretched 2400) next week at the factory!  I've been lurking on here for months soaking up all the words of wisdom (thank you all for sharing) and it has been very helpful.  Currently home is near Milwaukee, WI.  I'm a complete newbie so I'll do a couple shorter trips to get everything figured out and then I'm diving headfirst into fulltiming with my dog (Elliot) and cat (Marvin).  I'm sure I'll have a lot of stupid questions so please bear with me!

I hope to see some of you out there on the road!
Gretchen

P.S. I will have a recliner and folding dining chair in tan ultraleather that I don't need if anyone is looking to pick up one of those items. 

 


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carol on June 25, 2015, 07:12:23 am
Welcome Gretchen and four-legged copilots!
Nice to see another full-timer.  Feel free to email me if you ever want to chat about some of the issues that can arise as you are on the road.  My four-legged copilot and I are coming up on our one-year anniversary.  Looking forward to pictures if you feel comfy posting them after pick-up.
Safe travels!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Pax on June 25, 2015, 09:41:04 am
Welcome Gretchen!  I'm sure you'll be a happy camper in your PC.  When we first got our rig I couldn't understand how folks just jump right into full-timing....but after living in ours on and off I definitely get it now.  Very nice, mostly easy life and no house upkeep!  Of course, Holly and John make it seem easy! 

   - Mike


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on June 25, 2015, 09:50:02 am
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From Me Too!

We are here to help in every way possible using a keyboard.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: hopping12345 on July 14, 2015, 08:12:21 pm
Welcome to Phoenix USA RV's Discussion Board. We think you'll find this is a nice place to hang out. Why don't you start off with a little introduction and tell us a bit about yourself?
Hi, we just purchased a 2002 2550 PC.  It did not come with a manual and my husband is concerned about how to manually close the slide so he asked me to join the forum (he is not computer literate and I am barely.  We live in Polk City Florida and plan our first trip within the next two weeks.  A friend had a 2004 PC and we were impressed with it and all the features.  We have downsized from a Itasca Meridian and looking forward to our travels and communicating on the forum. tymote


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on July 14, 2015, 10:51:29 pm
Welcome to Phoenix USA RV's Discussion Board. We think you'll find this is a nice place to hang out. Why don't you start off with a little introduction and tell us a bit about yourself?
Hi, we just purchased a 2002 2550 PC.  It did not come with a manual and my husband is concerned about how to manually close the slide so he asked me to join the forum (he is not computer literate and I am barely.  We live in Polk City Florida and plan our first trip within the next two weeks.  A friend had a 2004 PC and we were impressed with it and all the features.  We have downsized from a Itasca Meridian and looking forward to our travels and communicating on the forum. tymote
Welcome to the family!

There were notable changes in the Phoenix Cruiser line-up between model year 2003 and 2004.  Just be aware that someone providing help might be talking "apples" when you have an orange.  Still, many things are common enough with Phoenix fruit.

Sorry I can't help you much regarding manually cranking in your slide out as I have no first-hand experience with them.  I do know you need a crank, something that looks similar to this.
(https://cdn3.volusion.com/dxylq.nruds/v/vspfiles/photos/045-119226-2T.jpg)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Paul-Donna on July 20, 2015, 05:20:46 pm
Hi, This is our first post.  We have a 2008 2551.  We really like the Rv, but it really wanders on the road.  I have to really stay on the steering wheel.  Any ideas of a good fix for this?  thanks


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on July 20, 2015, 05:31:24 pm
Hi, This is our first post.  We have a 2008 2551.  We really like the Rv, but it really wanders on the road.  I have to really stay on the steering wheel.  Any ideas of a good fix for this?  thanks
Welcome!

Yes there is a lot you can do to resolve your troubles.

What year is the chassis....a 2007 or 2008?  Is it an E350 or an E450?

Being a used rig, you don't know what the previous owner has improved upon, and what was not done.

Check your front and rear stabilizer bars.  If the front bar diameter is 1-3/8" and the rear is 1-1/2" then your bars are already upgraded.  If their diameters are under an inch, then I would replace them with heavy duty aftermarket versions.

I would replace stock shock absorbers with Koni-FSD shocks.

I would upgrade a stock steering stabilizer (the horizontal shock-looking thing attached to the steering linkage) with a heavy duty better type.  I have a Safe-T-Plus and like it a lot.

After those four things are confirmed as "upgraded", you should be a lot better.  Also get a wheel alignment and make sure you have the proper tire pressure.  Too much air wanders the rig more than too little.  Don't just put in 80 psi, the max stated on the tires.  Follow Phoenix recommendation on the door sticker.


I had a shop upgrade our 2007 2350 as I am suggesting to you and the rig handles beautifully since, and that was done 8 years ago.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Gail Staton on July 21, 2015, 09:15:14 am
Welcome,Paul and Donna.

We purchased a 2013 2100 the end of April and are about to do all the upgrades Ron mentioned and possibly a trac bar.

Sadly, ours handles so poorly, we won't take it on a trip until the upgrades are completed.   Driving it as it is now is extremely tiring and we feel dangerous. 

Since ours is a much shorter model than yours,  your handling  issues probably aren't  as bad as what we are experiencing.

Hope we both can report later "All is well and we are happy travelers".

Gail


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Chuck1944 on August 11, 2015, 09:28:35 am
Hello.  I have been RVing on and off since 2003.  First with a truck camper, then a Pleasure Way, and now with a 2350 PC which I purchased new in November in 2014.  We have made one large trip  with the PC lasting two months down south (left the Buffalo NY area Feb. 10, 2015 with a temperature of 8F) and two short trips.  We are planning a trip this fall to Oregon and back.  Love the room of the PC vs. the class B, but hate the MPG of 10 MPG vs. 17 for the Pleasure Way.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Pax on August 11, 2015, 09:51:36 am
Welcome, Chuck!

We spent some time up in your neck of the woods last year (stayed in Wilson and used the toad to explore, then spent a week on the Erie Canal). Nice area!

We will be up in Oregon this fall as well, so maybe we will see you.  We will be heading up thru Bend to the Columbia River and back down thru Coos Bay.

- Mike


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on August 11, 2015, 11:01:27 am
Love the room of the PC vs. the class B, but hate the MPG of 10 MPG vs. 17 for the Pleasure Way.
Yes indeed, 10 mpg is about right for a PC-2350 on an E350 with V10 engine.  That is why the Sprinter is worth consideration for people who drive a lot, ideal following ball clubs, dog shows, etc. around the country.

Our 2007 PC-2350 E350-V10 is now 8 years old.  I drove it to work today towing our Jeep Liberty for a shake-down.  I looked at the odometer and was surprised to see it has less than 24,000 miles (I thought we drove it more).  So for us, the $16,500 current-day lower purchase price of the E350-V10 would be the better investment even though the fuel economy is 2/3 that of the Sprinter diesel.

With the lower price of gas lately, our refills on our upcoming trip will sting much less.  That will be refreshing.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Dingman on October 23, 2015, 03:52:30 pm
  Hello, we are Karl and Joyce Dingman... we live in south central New Mexico. We have been RV'ers since 1962 and have used everything fom a 8' pickup camper to a 40' Bus conversion... We are now happy with our 2010 PC 3100 and have recently sold our 2005 2550 PC.
  Looking forward to meeting some of the folks around the country and attending some PC events...


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 2 Frazzled on October 24, 2015, 05:44:33 am
Welcome to the forum  (cheer), I see you had a Phoenix before so you must already love them so I'll move on to events. You are far enough west to join in with the west coast group. They do several Phoenix gatherings every year and the entire club has one large gathering each year. The next full reunion is in September 2016 in Washington DC. It would be awesome to see you there!

Enjoy your travels,
   Holly


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on October 24, 2015, 10:02:13 am
Hi Joyce and Karl.  Welcome to the PC forum.



Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: RichardP on October 24, 2015, 12:51:20 pm
Welcome!!  My wife and I take our 3100 up to Eagle Nest, NM every summer.  If it gets too hot for you this summer, come on up and join us.  Enjoy!

Richard and BJ


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Gail Staton on October 24, 2015, 02:25:12 pm
Welcome to the forum.   We are newbie's to PC and class C's.   We don't have enough experience yet to be of much help here on the forum but do read it everyday.  Enjoy your travels in your 3100.

Gail


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: JimInVA on October 24, 2015, 03:51:49 pm
Greetings, All! 

I feel privileged to have been granted access to so fine a group of folks.  I’ve scoured through threads and posts within these forums and am impressed with both the level of camaraderie and with the resounding pleasure that your PC environment (company, company individuals, product and fellow owners) has provided to and for you.  Though I don’t yet know you, I already feel as if I am in very good company.

I do not own an RV and have never owned an RV.  But it was something that my wife and I had planned for our retirement.  Though circumstances of life will not allow her to join me on this adventure, she continues to encourage me to become knowledgeable and prepare.  And it is that research that ultimately brought me here.

For me, research is much like putting a jigsaw puzzle together.  You have some semblance of an idea of how the picture should look, but not the sharpness of what the finished item will look like.  As I began to investigate the differing types of classes, I first turned to the Class B (specifically the Mercedes Sprinter) as perhaps being suitable to my needs.  But as I researched and considered other platforms, I found my interpretation of what I thought RV’ing meant to me was in its own state of change.  It has been much like a swinging pendulum… touching all kinds of possibilities… but ultimately settling at the one that kept coming up in those evaluations – the Phoenix Cruiser.  I suspect many of you have been on that very same ride.

In January, I’ll turn 62.  I’m not yet sure whether I’m looking towards later in 2016 or sometime in 2017… but I’m closing in on the purchase of a new PC.  I’m currently leaning towards the 2351.  I like the idea of the permanent bed in back and one that my dog, Elsie (a 10 year old Coton de Tulear), can curl up with me on.  I’m still uncertain as to slide or non-slide, couch or dinette… but I do believe it will be 4x4.  I really do love to surf fish from the beach… or to take that unexplored inland road to see where it goes… and for that, I think the 4x4 gives me additional options.  But I’ve still much to consider and to learn.

In advance, I would like to thank you for your participation, here… and to thank you for the patience you will somehow need to find as I become comfortable enough to begin to ask questions.  My best to each of you…

Jim


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on October 24, 2015, 04:15:24 pm
Welcome to the Forum Jim.

Much like you, we had never considered an RV 'til 7 years ago. We always had sailboats so we thought we would be comfortable travelling in a Class B Sprinter. Too small! Then we discovered PC's and have never looked back--2350 Sprinter, 2551 and now the 2910.

No matter which model you choose, you could not find a better RV--from the fit and finish to the after purchase customer service--PhoenixUSA is the best company that we have ever done business with.

I certainly hope your research leads you to a new Phoenix Cruiser. I doubt that you will regret it!

Judi


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron-n-toni on October 24, 2015, 05:30:46 pm
Did you know that after ordering your new PC, the months waiting for delivery has 45 to 60 days in them. Hi. We are Ron and Toni Purdum. We went to the Hershey RV show to check out Leisure Travel Unity, Born Free, Coach House and PC. After three days, we decided on a 2351 PC and spent hours with Kyle and Earl and ordered it. We had owned a Born Free prior to our 35 ft Newmar DP but the Born Free didn't have a slide. Still didn't. Leisure Travel had a 9 -10 months wait and Coach House was Very expensive. Anyway, we wanted a smaller unit with a side that we can explore with.  We both worked in Alaska at Denali NP and still enjoy "end of the road" hiking and exploring, hence the smaller PC.  Earl said Dec or Jan (due to full body paint) but wow, thats a long way off. Anyway, we expect to spend next summer traveling and exploring the back roads and byways that we have missed so far. Hope to meet up with other PC travelers and attend PC gathering.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: RichardP on October 24, 2015, 08:17:13 pm
Hello Ron and Toni.  I can agree with you about the wait.  My wife and I have had a 3100 for about three years, and we have enjoyed it every time we have gone out.  We decided that we wanted a 2910D, and after months of thinking about it, taking a trip from Texas to Elkhart, and thinking some more...we ordered ours about two weeks ago.  I called Earl last week to see if it was finished!  He politely referred me to the calendar and I realized that only two weeks had past.  (WH) We, too, will just have to wait.  I know you will enjoy your PC AND this forum.  I don't "contribute" much, but I read it all the time and learn tons of things.  Let us know when you take delivery on yours.

Richard and BJ


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Pax on October 25, 2015, 03:50:41 am
Welcome, all!   (w) (8)

    - Mike


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on October 25, 2015, 08:35:46 am
Welcome, all!   (w) (8)

    - Mike
Me too! :)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on October 26, 2015, 10:43:06 am
I’m currently leaning towards the 2351.
… but I do believe it will be 4x4.
Jim
I would get a 2351 built on the E450 chassis.  Even more so if going 4x4.

Our 2350 works great for us.  But that extra foot would really make a difference for us if we ordered a 2351 with the rear corner double bed one foot longer instead of the pantry.  It would make entry and exit from the bed much easier and it would increase the outdoor storage compartment that much larger.  We would surely maintain our no-slide dinette and gain the pantry there because of it.  So in the end, we add a pantry on driver side, and a longer bed with bigger outdoor storage on the passenger side.  With the E450 chassis, the extra outdoor storage would be better supported.

If you are a true wilderness person who needs to carry more water, I would think the extra foot could also increase the size of your water tank and even still gain some extra outdoor storage.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: JimInVA on October 26, 2015, 11:37:29 am
Excellent suggestions, Ron.  And I really appreciate the "reasoning" you've provided to support those suggestions.

Question:  With the no slide/dinette option, is it still feasible to have the Euro chair or Captain's Chair... or does that just begin to get too crowded?

Thanks again!

Jim


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on October 26, 2015, 12:45:30 pm
Question:  With the no slide/dinette option, is it still feasible to have the Euro chair or Captain's Chair... or does that just begin to get too crowded?  Jim
Hi Jim,

I can only comment on our "mounted" captain seat.  That seat with the dinette works extremely well together.  When one of us wants to stretch out and relax (like when watching a movie), we adjust the seat close to the dinette, recline back, and use the front dinette bench seat as an ottoman.  We can also flip the passenger seat around and use that as an ottoman as well, but we never bother doing that one.  Because that 3rd seat is most forward in the rig, it's out of the way of traffic.  One person can fall asleep in that seat for a nap without being in the way of the other getting around inside the rig.

Sorry, but I don't have a picture how the seat can be adjusted close to the dinette.
I only have this picture using the front passenger seat as an ottoman.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6173/6191936126_12d4e1ae89_z.jpg)

Here is the captain seat in the typical position, close against the right side wall.  It is still very comfortable to sit in just as shown.  For me, as shown I can still use the dinette bench as an ottoman.  My wife with shorter legs needs the captain seat adjusted closer.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8518/8462453675_5d79315fcc_z.jpg)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: JimInVA on October 26, 2015, 07:41:01 pm
Thank you, Ron.  A picture sure does make it easier to judge...

Jim


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron-n-toni on October 27, 2015, 08:14:40 am
Looks like the "Ron's" think alike. I'm 6'3" and we had the kitchen pantry removed, the side bed extended 6" and the kitchen counter extended 6". We kept the slide pantry. I also am having a higher dome installed in the shower. When I tried the one on display at Hershey, I had to bend over all the time. Earl called his parts people from the show and they said "no problem" so we will have a higher dome in the shower. Also, we elected to build our 2351 on the E450 chassis. A $1700 option. We will not have a dinette but the smaller recliner that makes into a bed and will use the portable table when necessary. We also had an awning installed on the slide window. When we elect to, our toad is a 2014 Jeep Trailhawk. We used to tow a Wrangler and go "jeepin" in Colorado, Utah, and Montana. Hope to continue with the PC.  Still have a month or so to wait. Grrrrr.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Doneworking on October 27, 2015, 09:11:57 am
Ron and Toni, looks like you enjoy about the same type of camping that we enjoy....and in some of the same places.  We bought our 2350 with slide when it was eleven months old and bought it from a guy less than five miles down the road.   We had planned on ordering exactly the same unit, but I doubt if we would have tricked it out as well as the first owner choose to do and we enjoy his choices.  

Now, if doing it all over and ordering new as we originally intended we would get the 2351 like you choose and we would pay the upcharge for the 450 chassis.  We also, like you, pull a Trailhawk.  I think you will be very pleased with your PC for the type of camping you enjoy.  That black tank on ours is much larger than the black tanks on similar models from other brands.  It allows us long term stays in National Forests for camping and hiking.   You will find the 450 a real benefit IMO.  And you will certainly be pleased with the quality of the build.  Think about adding twin sixes on the batteries and solar for your boondocking.   I did the solar add on myself and two hundred watts is ample for long term in the boonies if you get reasonable amounts of sun.  

Of course, we may enjoy the same places and you don't boondock and stay in town.  Either way, those states are great choices.  Think about New Mexico as a possible addition to the list.  It is our First Choice .....Northern New Mexico and Southern Colorado are not as crowded as the better known spots. 

Paul


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Barry-Sue on October 27, 2015, 11:36:25 am
Jim

Here is another option you might want to consider for extra seating.  

We have a 2012 2551  with slide and ordered the swivel seat option for both the driver and passenger seats.  It provides additional seating without taking up any floor space and provides a sense of openness to the floor plan.  In addition, you can have a small side table added.  We found both the extra storage and seating to be very useful.

Barry

(http://www.phoenixusarv.com/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1178.0;attach=1712;image)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: JimInVA on October 27, 2015, 12:26:54 pm
Barry,

Thank you for sharing the picture of your 2551!  I can't begin to express how much it helps seeing the different configurations and then hearing about what you like (and/or would change).  I'm thinking that I might not be able to swivel the driver's seat with the 4x4 option.  I'm not sure if the seat would clear the 4x4 floor shift lever.  But you are right... it does make it quite spacious... and who couldn't use extra storage?!

Thanks again!

Jim


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Russ and Linda on December 21, 2015, 07:08:55 pm
Hey, y'all!

We are Russ and Linda from Kentucky.  We are both recently retired and are very interested in rving, something we have never done but have been interested in for years.

When we first became interested we were looking at larger travel trailers, then became aware of molded fiberglass trailers.  We first landed on the Casita,  then the Escape, then the Oliver, which we really liked except for that tiny wet bath.  Then having doubts about towing, we took a look at class B and C rigs, working our way through several manufacturers. And here we are! On the day I stumbled across Phoenix Cruiser, I announced to Russ, "Found it! "!

We are interested in the 3100 or a custom 2910 with twin beds such as some on this forum have. We'll make the trip to the factory early next year to help us make a better decision.  We want very much to get it right the first time, but that may be wishful thinking having never used an rv before.  However, this forum has already been tremendously helpful. I've read through most of the posts over the last few weeks and have learned a great deal about the models and customizations.

Thanks to all who ask questions and to all who answer!

Linda



Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: RichardP on December 21, 2015, 07:57:42 pm
welcome Russ and Linda!  I thnk those of us here will agree that you are in the right place.   (exactly)  My wife and I have enjoyed our 3100 for about 3 1/2 years and we will be getting a 2016 2910D in January.  We cannot say enough positive things about the people at the PC factory and those on this forum.  Hope to see you in a PC in 2016.

Richard and BJ


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: JimInVA on December 22, 2015, 04:52:29 am
Welcome, Russ & Linda!

I, too, am an aspiring future PC owner.  And, like you, I've perused many a post in these forums.  There is so much good information and so many fine folks willing to answer questions.  I hope you find everything you need to make the "perfect purchase"!

Jim


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Dave @ Lenore on January 28, 2016, 02:50:18 am
Hi,
We are proud new owners of a used 2350 on a Ford E350 (2013). We were thinking about getting a Class C and did a test drive didn't like the feel of a Class C. and with just the two of us we didn't need all that room. So our search began.

We found a 2350 but it wasn't near by (350 miles).  So we drove 350 miles to go see the 2350 then drove back home to only return the next day to purchase it. The best part of the drive(s) was the return trip home in the 2350 it was just awesome.

This forum was a very big part of our decision to seek out the 2350 we purchased. 

We are excited to start hitting the road.

Dave and Lenore


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Pax on January 28, 2016, 06:48:07 am
Welcome, Dave and Lenore!  We also took a 5 hr drive to look at a well-used 2551 before buying our 2552.  Nothing beats seeing one in person.  Congrats on your purchase!

  - Mike


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on January 28, 2016, 09:05:23 am
Welcome and contrats on you on your PC. y-- y-- y--

Enjoy your travels.

Judi and George


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Gail Staton on January 28, 2016, 09:40:08 am
Welcome,   We wish you many happy miles traveling in your PC.   Glad you enjoyed your first trip, bringing it home.

Gail and Hal


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on January 28, 2016, 10:25:09 am
Congratulations Dave and Lenore!  I see your rig is like our 2350 no-slide but 6 years newer.  Your fun has just begun.  As you know by now, the family of PC owners are always a "post" away to help with any questions you may have......and you will have questions.

Post some pictures when you get round to it.  We'd love to see it.

Ron (& Irene) Dittmer


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on January 30, 2016, 11:02:26 pm
(http://www.phoenixusarv.com/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1178.0;attach=1712;image)
Barry-Sue,

I have been meaning to say this for a very long time now.
I really like what you special requested for your old 2551.  The symmetrical (the book-end look) wing wall cabinetry with desks are not the norm....is it?  How well has that been working for you over the years?


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: lad07 on January 31, 2016, 07:36:30 am
Just purchased my 2007 2100. It is in excellent condition and has under 11,000 miles. I've been a widow for a number of years and love to travel. So happy with the ease of driving and no need for a tow vehicle with this PC. What a difference from my the old Class A. Have Feb commitments so I won't be traveling for a while. Looking forward to getting out of Midwest weather.   ;)  I've learned a lot from this forum. Thanks, to all that have posted. Soon will post photos.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on January 31, 2016, 07:56:08 am
Congrats lad07!  Welcome to the family.  We hope you won't be a stranger here with postings. 


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Gail Staton on January 31, 2016, 09:09:29 am
lad07

Welcome fellow 2100 owner.    We purchased our 2013 last spring and it is the perfect size for our travel style.  We will look forward to your pictures.   Enjoy your travels when time permits.   

Gail and Hal


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Polish Prince on February 09, 2016, 12:38:57 pm
First thing I want to thank all the members on the forum, I/we have been lurking on the site for the last 8 months while we did all our research to pick our modifications/options and manufacturer.  I feel like I know a lot of you without ever having met you.  We placed our order for our 2351 on a 450 chassis last Monday and now will begin the long wait until August when we can accept delivery.  We are currently goat farmer and cheese makers in northern Michigan and promised our co-op members that they could have one last season.

We did a fair number of modifications to our unit, and Ron - sorry but we did go with the slide out.  See I do know some of you.  We visited 4 manufacturers and a couple of shows to come up with our specific unit.  We did an open bathroom - not for everyone but it works for us.  We saw this at another manufacturer and it really opens up the bedroom.  We moved the toilet to the outside wall and then removed that part of the wall next to the bed.  It opens up the bed and we still have the bedroom drape to hide the bathroom if needed.  Again it's just the two of us, so we love the extra space.  I have opened another thread with a listing of our modifications.

We live in northern Michigan and are willing to accept forum members for blacktop boondocking on the farm up until September of this year.  We can provide access to 110 power and water.  This is our thank you to all the members who helped us pick the perfect unit for us.  Just let us know in advance.

Thanks, George and Jill Budzynski  -- The polish prince in because my older brother, when we were kids, used to say we were descended from royalty.  Ha, Budzynski just means we are "of Budzyn" a town in Poland.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on February 09, 2016, 01:21:16 pm
Welcome!!! You made the correct decision with the slide in the 2351. Our first PC, the 2350 on the Sprinter chassis, did not have a slide. Knowing now--what we did not then--we certainly would have ordered ours with the slide. It gives so much extra room. It took us 3 tries to get it right---2350 no slide, 2551 no slide!!! Custom 2910 with one slide is perfect for the tow of us. We generally are away from home for 4 months so we have the living space that we need.

If you get to Florida next winter, give us a shout. And again, congrats and welcome. y-- y-- y--

Judi


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Barry-Sue on February 09, 2016, 03:43:55 pm
George and Jill,

Congratulations on the future rig.  Maybe we'll see you in Michigan this summer.  Many great parks to enjoy your rig.   H-E-L-L-O

Barry and Sue


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Gail Staton on February 09, 2016, 05:23:29 pm
Welcome George and Jill.
   
Your soon to be built 2351 sounds wonderful.    We  will be anxious to see pictures of your " one of a kind" PC.

Thank you for your generous offer of blacktop boondocking to forum members.   Hope you meet some of the members.

Gail and Hal



Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on February 09, 2016, 11:50:49 pm
....and Ron - sorry but we did go with the slide out.

 roflol   roflol   roflol   roflol   roflol   roflol    roflol

Oh my new Polish Prince friend, you most certainly do not need to apologize.  I am so happy you are ordering what you want, not what I like.  I provide my "other" perspective only so that you can make your own best educated decision in weighing the pros and cons to each choice.

You mentioned receiving your rig in August.  Does it now take 1/2 year to get a special order processed?  Or did you intentionally request the rig to be ready in August?  I wonder when the cut-off is to get the rig built on a 2017 chassis.  I think it might be 4 weeks later.....something to think about.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Pax on February 10, 2016, 03:23:39 am
Welcome!  I notice that Kermit is now offering free delivery to anywhere in the lower 48! You are relatively close to the factory, but that would have saved us $3000 a couple years ago!

   - Mike


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Polish Prince on February 10, 2016, 08:19:38 am
Ron, we asked for delivery in August because we have to be on the farm for milking twice a day until then.  Earl said they would probably start the build in late May.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on February 10, 2016, 12:06:21 pm
Ron, we asked for delivery in August because we have to be on the farm for milking twice a day until then.  Earl said they would probably start the build in late May.
Ah!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: PC Looking on March 27, 2016, 03:51:43 pm
Hello and looking forward to learning more about the PC. I confess I am about 2 months into researching the brands and others are still on the short list. The PC is the one most interesting to me. I have not seen one though.

I mean this in the best of ways but Ron Dittmer is everywhere I read anything about rev's. Especially if I search for PC specific info on any worldly board. I was actually reading a post of his here on the general forum when I got the approval email. He is a great Ambassador for PC.

I am likely about 4-8 months from ordering or buying. It is just me and a dog. As a result I am looking for a small unit (2100,2350.2351,2400) really preferring the smaller with no slide. I will ask more about this and rational for one over the other as I get finished with all the posts. I am on page 18. I see much of my thoughts being answered already but more questions pop up also as I read.

I am caring for my mother who is alert and ambulatory but not wise to leave her alone. Not sure if she would want to be involved with the rv or not but suspect she will for short trips of a couple weeks. She is nearly 86 and my priority in life at this point. Any thoughts on her needs or floorpan specific to this issue is appreciated. I have an suv that she has been all over the country in with 2 very large dogs. So the tight space and inconvenience of that she has no problem with.

Sorry for the long winded intro and I will get back to my forum reading and maybe my taxes.

Mr Jan Nicholson-Tucson



Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on March 27, 2016, 04:12:57 pm
Jan,
Welcome to the Forum H-E-L-L-O. We have had 3 PC's starting with the 2350, no slide. We were new to the RV world at the time and did not see the need for a slide. What a mistake!! Two PC's without and now the 2910 with the slide. I understand that everyone's needs are different and there are those that swear by the no slide option. Not us. The slide offers so much more living space. My advice is to think carefully what you want/need and how you plan to use the RV now and in the future.

Judi Nicholson  (are we related???)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Barry-Sue on March 27, 2016, 05:00:23 pm
Hi Jan  3>:) (w)

We are on our second PC.  We had a 2350 and now a 2551 both with slides.  Like you, we thought we would enjoy a smaller unit the first time.  We found it to be a little too small for long term travel (3 months at a time).
The 2551 meets our needs perfectly.  The twin beds, compared to the corner bed, and the much larger bathroom are perfect for the two of us.  We even find the 2551 easier to drive then the 2350.

Like Judi said, consider your needs before you buy.  You might also like to rent a unit for a short trip and decide what you like and don't like about it.  If we had rented a unit with a corner bed prior to our first purchase we would not have ordered a 2350.  It is all personal preference.  If you are mostly going to be traveling alone the corner bed could be perfect for you.

Barry and Sue


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: PC Looking on March 27, 2016, 06:03:35 pm
Jan,
Welcome to the Forum H-E-L-L-O. We have had 3 PC's starting with the 2350, no slide. We were new to the RV world at the time and did not see the need for a slide. What a mistake!! Two PC's without and now the 2910 with the slide. I understand that everyone's needs are different and there are those that swear by the no slide option. Not us. The slide offers so much more living space. My advice is to think carefully what you want/need and how you plan to use the RV now and in the future.

Judi Nicholson  (are we related???)

Thank you Judi. I am from the Winchester Va area if you know any there. I am not dead set against the slides just thinking not. Many people have a different opinion so my mind is open still. I need to see the models up close and hope to make a trip to the factory in the next few months. I hope a lot will get cleared up, especially a model and slide or no slide.  As far as space goes, I am open to several floor plans but most of my travel will be solo so beyond a 2351 or 2400 is not likely for me. Thanks again.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: PC Looking on March 27, 2016, 06:11:34 pm
Hi Jan  3>:) (w)

We are on our second PC.  We had a 2350 and now a 2551 both with slides.  Like you, we thought we would enjoy a smaller unit the first time.  We found it to be a little too small for long term travel (3 months at a time).
The 2551 meets our needs perfectly.  The twin beds, compared to the corner bed, and the much larger bathroom are perfect for the two of us.  We even find the 2551 easier to drive then the 2350.

Like Judi said, consider your needs before you buy.  You might also like to rent a unit for a short trip and decide what you like and don't like about it.  If we had rented a unit with a corner bed prior to our first purchase we would not have ordered a 2350.  It is all personal preference.  If you are mostly going to be traveling alone the corner bed could be perfect for you.

Barry and Sue

Barry and Sue
Thanks for your advice. I must say I do like that model a lot. I like the twin bed plan  and I really like the models that have the dinette option. If I had a DW I would get a larger unit.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 2 Frazzled on March 27, 2016, 06:29:05 pm
I am looking for a small unit (2100,2350.2351,2400)

Jan, I would recommend a full time bed. Several of the smaller units require making up the bed each night and cleaning it up in the morning. You then have to store all the bedding. While it seems like a small thing, it can get old fast. The 2350, 2551 and 2552 have full time beds (corner, twin, twin) and the option to have the electric couch that reclines to any angle and can make into a bed. I personally slept on one half of the couch for 6.5 weeks (and had to make it up and take it apart each night - easy to do, but still...). John and the granddaughter had the twin beds. I was fine on the couch and slept with my head slightly raised instead of putting the couch flat down. This worked well for me.

John and I full timed for a year and half in our 2552 (working half time from the rig) and had periods when we had our granddaughter along with us. The full time bed allowed one of us to lay in bed sick while the other drove when we had to check out of a site (bad bout of the flu at one point). The 2552/2551/2350 configurations also allow one person to be in bed while the other has use of the front of the motorhome (coffee, tv, cooking, computer work, whatever). If the only bed is the convertible couch, you do not have that luxury. While this wouldn't matter if you traveled alone, it will make a HUGE difference if your mother is along.

The twin beds are far easier to get into and out of than the corner bed (again, thinking of your mother). Any of the units are small enough to navigate in even if you are unsteady on your feet. They are all easy to drive. The controls for the awning, slide, water heater, pump, generator, etc. are all push button.

We are temporarily grounded but hoping to get back on the road before long. I will likely have knee surgery before that happens and will still be rehabilitating it. I mention this because I've already thought about how that will affect traveling in the RV when I have limited leg function. The only potentially difficult spot will be the house steps but Phoenix has a long, lighted handle to hold onto to assist in getting in and out so I don't think that will be an issue. It will be easier than the stairs at the house we are in.

If you have specific questions, ask away. If you want privacy, you can send personal messages to any member. I found everyone to be extremely helpful and responsive when I was considering a Phoenix.

Holly




Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: RheaNL on April 01, 2016, 05:35:59 am
It is all personal and my husband and I love our 2100 with slide. No, you do not need to make the sofa bed/couch up each night and unmake in the morning.  I have made custome sheets that stay on the bed with a throw (like a bed spread) over the top when closed. So with the push of two buttons takes less than 5 minutes to open the slid & bed or close. You cannot use the fold down arm with my system.  Others use sleep sacks.

With our 2100 configuration you can make the dinnet into a bed if you do take your mom with.  On the one occassion where there were 3 of us, we also left the dinnet made into a bed and used TV trays and the couch for eat.

If you are going to be driving through Colorado on I-70 we are just a few miles off the highway.  We do head to Tuscon sometimes in the fall (many friends there) and will let you know if that is happening this year.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: catsaplenty on April 04, 2016, 02:30:04 pm
Hello all.
I am not yet a PC owner.  I did make the pilgrimage to Elkhart so I could spend time sitting in a couple of models to see how "at home" they felt.  And of course opening every cabinet and drawer (even measuring them to help me understand what will fit where). Before that I had watched a zillion of Earl's and Kyle's videos.  And I have read most entries in this forum.  I am old enough to qualify for SS if I wish though I am still doing some remote computer work for software that is reaching its end of life.  My plan is to sell the house and move my animals and myself into the RV and go while I still can.  Mostly I will make use of the Senior pass and stay in the woods and other public lands for most of the year, going to civilization every couple of weeks to shop and do laundry.  I will settle in to the southern areas for the winters. I belong to a couple of RV clubs so I also figure I will attend some gatherings with them.   

The 3100 looks like the best PC to handle the critters and myself.  The long hallway makes it feel more open for me. Earl and I have already talked about where to build in a spot for the necessary cat pan.  I like the kitchen all in a line rather than split up (besides having the couch next to the stove would encourage too much help from the dogs I fear).  And I plan on many hours sitting out under that really long patio awning.

Obviously the outside storage will offer me a few challenges.  And I am still debating whether I would try to tow my present car(it can be towed on four wheels) or if I will look for a smaller car to drag along. 

I have read the thread about how long some of you go out at a time and I have seen that the 2551 and 2552 seem to be the more popular models.  I am curious if any of you are fulltiming in a PC and if so what stories, hints, nightmares, reality checks, glorious moments, etc. you could share with me.  Thanks to all.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 2 Frazzled on April 04, 2016, 05:58:45 pm
WELCOME!!!   meetya
John and I full timed in our 2552 for a year and half before we were temporarily grounded by family issues. We absolutely loved it, miss it, and plan to hit the road again as soon as things are settled here and then stay on the road until we can't do it anymore. You can click our name to see our posts on this site and our blog name is below my signature on this post. We have not put our first year up on the blog yet mainly because we've been lazy and consistent blogging feels too much like work. There seems to always be something more fun to do.

I do have a few basic things that make it work for us: We carry two weeks worth of clothing... PLUS. So two weeks of slacks and tops, two weeks plus a few extras of everyday socks and undergarments. So far we've always been able to hit a laundromat in a town or campground before we ran out of clean clothing. We also carry the "specials": Cold weather - thin base layer/long underwear, wool sweater or fleece top, warm socks, winter jacket, gloves, warm hats; Hot weather/water sports - wide brim hat, swimsuit and light beach towel, flip flops (double as shower shoes), strap on water shoes (rafting/kayaking), wicking shirt, pants and underwear: work clothing: one set each of something that can get all the goo on it and you are willing to wear crawling under the vehicles - we recently bought Tyvek overalls for something else and think those will be our work coverup when we go back on the road; rain gear - we each have a full rain suit; hiking: hiking boots, socks, trekking poles.

Our kitchen has a full set of decent knives, nesting pans, nesting bowls/colander/strainer/measuring cups, a set of silicone bakeware that mostly nest, etc. The nesting items save an enormous amount of space and it is easy to find things. Most of what we have on board can serve more than one purpose.

One thing I did for months before moving into the RV was to put a paper and pencil in each room of the house - usually taped to the wall or set on a bedside table. Pack or stash all but what you think you will need in the RV then live with it. Pull things out and add to your active items only if necessary. After a while, look at what you started with, what you used and what you added and make sure your "zone" lists are up to date and contain only what you actually need. For example, my bedside table had tissues, chap stick, water bottle, e-reader, neck brace, bandanna (eye cover). All the other stuff that cluttered my night stand weren't necessary so when we moved into the RV, only those items I used regularly went with us and I planned in advance for where they would be stored. We did this for every room. You would do it for your animals also (we did this for our cat - she had a long list and we wound up dedicating a full shelf, plus, to her).

I am working on a cabinet by cabinet, bin by bin inventory of what we carry in our 2552. If you are interested in receiving a copy when I am done, I will be happy to share it with you. Everyone is different but sometimes seeing someone else's list will trigger a thought and plan for your own.

I really like the term "Pilgrimage to Elkhart". Evokes a feeling of wonder and hope.

Enjoy your PC planning and have an awesome life on the road.
Holly


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Dynadave on April 04, 2016, 06:01:31 pm
I have owned a variety of rvs ranging from 21' to 41' and have finally settled on our 3100 PC which fits our needs well. We are not full timers but when we travel there are 2 adults , 2 dogs and a cat. We are very happy with it. You are considering getting a smaller toad, don't forget to factor in the storage capacity of the toad, you may solve some of your outside storage problems.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Pax on April 05, 2016, 09:31:27 am
Welcome to the forum!  At some point down the road we plan to do the full-timing thing, so are always tuned into these discussions.  Holly and John have been an excellent resource!

One thing to remember about the 3100....that back end sticks way out there and you'll need to be extra cognizant of that when pulling into and out of some places like gas stations, driveways, etc.

    - Mike


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 2 Frazzled on April 05, 2016, 10:52:15 am
I'm sure I've posted this before but it fits here so I'll stick it in again. The reason we went with the 2552 instead of the 2910D was twofold: length and weight (we also really liked the rear bath but it wasn't as important as the first two).

Weight - The extra length and extra slide was estimated to add about 1,000 lbs - thereby reducing my potential payload by 1,000 lbs (approximately 1/3 by my estimate). I'm not sure how the weight of the 3100 compares to the 2552. I believe it has a longer slide with the added weight of the dinette. I know weight changes with the options you choose for the build but I was going for ballpark numbers. Since we were full time and planned long chunks of time with a third person on board (granddaughter), we opted for the smaller rig and more carrying ability. I still stare at the 2910D floor plans on occasion though. Love the big window and double euro chairs.

Length - I wanted to stay under 30' as that is the limit listed for many National Park campgrounds. The 3100 and 2910 are not a whole lot longer than the 2552 and will probably fit in most of the campgrounds even though they are over 30' long. We've only hit a few spots where we would have problems with a longer rig. Cramming the toad on the site is sometimes a bit of an issue but we've always managed.

Again, this is all a personal choice. Figure out what is absolutely important to you and go from there.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on April 05, 2016, 01:16:25 pm
We have a 2910 with one slide (sofa). We wanted twin beds as well as the larger windows and those wonderful Euro chairs. Phoenix accommodated us by building the 2910 with one slide and the twin beds. We did not need the dinette and did not want the slide with the bed. PC will build what the customer wants if at all possible. They just delivered another 2910 with one slide a couple of weeks ago.

We have never had a problem fitting into a site at any campground--state, national or private. Our length is 31' 5".

For what it's worth--- and welcome to the Forum.

Judi


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: catsaplenty on April 05, 2016, 08:28:38 pm
Thanks to all for input.

I do keep hearing that they will build whatever I want (within reason).  I don't feel real creative so far - though Earl may have a different opinion based on my "what about" questions so far.

Holly - sounds like you folks are really organized on this - as I believe one would need to be to full time especially in a B+.  I like your list idea.  Part of my exercise to measure cabinets and the inside of the refrigerator, etc.  was I thought I could mark off the equivalent areas in my house to try to get a good feel for just what I could fit in.  I had been trying to think about how to decide what I can and can not live without.  The lists are a very good idea.  Thanks - and I will be checking out your Spirit of the Woods site.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 2 Frazzled on April 06, 2016, 08:09:51 am
I have seen Gradygal's Phoenix and agree that the big windows and two euro chairs are awesome. I know they (and I believe others) were hoping to get the back end of the 2552 (with the rear bath, full wardrobe and twin beds) combined with the front of the 2910D with the double euro chairs and big windows. That would be pretty close to perfect for us also now that we aren't working from the rig but it can't be built that way. Their custom floor plan is really nice and works well for their three or four month jaunts. I don't know if it would have enough cabinets for us full time with the grandchild on board. We carry all season wear so have a lot more than those that know pretty much what weather they'll hit for their trip. That doesn't stop me from thinking about the different configurations though. I read something once that might help: "the decision you make is the best one you could make with the information you had at the time". So, get as much information as you can and make your best decision. If you are like me you'll continue to second guess yourself but I keep coming back to the undeniable fact that we love our Phoenix and she works for us.... ahhh, but those nice big windows...


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: kls81 on May 26, 2016, 01:09:17 pm
Hi! I'm Kate, and I'm looking at purchasing a smaller RV in about a year! The back-kitchen floorplan Cruisers caught my eye. I grew up RVing as an only child with my parents (Dolphin Class C in the late '80s and in the early-mid '90s a huge class A), though haven't owned one of my own. I'm interested in the 2100 and 2400 (and have a lot of questions, so stay tuned for the spammiest question post in the world.)

I knit, and am the same username on Ravelry, if anyone's on there.

Nice to meet you all!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: JimInVA on May 26, 2016, 03:36:28 pm
Greetings, Kate... and welcome to the forum!!

There is a lot of information, here.  Like, you, I'm planning for the perfect PC.  I've found that making a list of treasures (ideas) that I've found within the many threads and posts was the only way I could keep up with it all.  And I've still only scratched the surface.  I suspect you'll be pleased with how many will take time to respond (though I'm guess that many have begun to pursue their own spring/summer travels).  Enjoy the process... and my best to you!

Jim


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: kls81 on May 26, 2016, 03:57:28 pm
Thanks for the kind welcome, Jim! I've got a massively long questions thread just below this that I suspect might be a bit too long, but I tried to break it up as much as possible for readability.

My problem is I'm too much of a magpie with ideas at the start. "Do I want this or this or... ooh, that?" At least I know I don't need a 3100, so I guess it could be worse. But I've been playing with the cost estimator on the 2100 and 2400 and have got it as low as $87,000 or so and as high as $125,000 (nearly as much as my house!). Hence why I'm taking the time to plan.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: HenryJ on May 30, 2016, 04:45:25 pm
You asked so here we go.. We are in the midst of a real downsizing. We have traded in our Allegro Bus Class A, which was great and in nice shape for a 2910T which we are waiting for. We were lucky to have a visit with friends in Dec who bought a PC 3100 also a move from a very nice Class A. And they were very pleased with the outcome.  Like us one dog and one couple. The difficult part will be the drive to PC and dealing with hotels again. It will be Tampa to Elkhart so a long adventure out in the world with no RV. We are looking forward to the change. Mr does not drive the RV I do not expect that to change but I will give up some chores to his talent and experience.  Love the info we have seen on here. Regards to all


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: JOHN on May 30, 2016, 04:55:32 pm
Hi, I am John from Austin, TX area and looking to buy a 2350. 
Interested in thoughts from the forum on the diesel model.
Thanks,
John


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carol on May 30, 2016, 09:22:25 pm
Welcome to the forum, John.  I don't have a diesel but I did investigate them back when I was trying to decide what to buy.  Two years later I can say I'm really happy with my 2351 on the Ford E350.  By not spending so much money on the diesel initially, I could afford to get other options that I would not have been able to afford otherwise (solar, full body paint, etc.).  Also, being not at all mechanically inclined, I felt a Ford would be easier to find servicing for when needed.  I know the diesels can last a lot longer, but I figure that the $15,000 or so I saved at the beginning can go into a rebuilt gas engine someday if me and my PC ever make it that far!
Good luck with your search.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Buffalo Tim on May 31, 2016, 12:31:15 pm
Hello cruisers.  Taking a minute to introduce myself.  Wife and I ran onto a 2007 2551 a few years back.  We weren't really in the market for an rv.  It came in on trade.  It is a diesel,  so we couldn't pass it up.  Salesman did a masterful job hiding water damage.  By the time we found it, we had to rebuild passenger side from door to van body, plus a big chunk of floor.  A 7k  dollar repair was tough to swallow, but it's done and we couldn't be more happy.  We share the beast with 2 border collies and a German shepherd.  We travel by removing mattress from passenger side bed and lash down 2 kennels.  Third dog is in kennel right behind us humans.  I have tons of questions,  so you be hearing more from me.  Tim


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carol on May 31, 2016, 04:30:10 pm
Welcome, Buffalo Tim, Wife, and menagerie.  Sounds like you have a great set-up and loads of fun when you're on the road with your crew.  Glad you were able to fix your damage, but I imagine that was quite the unpleasant surprise.  Happy t(r)ails!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Pax on May 31, 2016, 07:52:23 pm
Welcome, Jim...John...Henry...Kate!   It amazes me sometimes how many different ways we all use our PC's.    I'm a dog guy, but can't imagine what it takes to travel with two border collies, plus a German shepherd (which are amazing and I've had both). Two fat little Pomeranians are tough enough these days. 😀  Diesel vs gas, shorter vs longer, all very interesting.  In the end, I haven't read many (actually, any) posts saying they made a grave error moving to or buying their first PC.

Cheers to all y'all!

     - Mike




Title: Diesel v Gas
Post by: JOHN on May 31, 2016, 11:37:10 pm
Thanks Carol for your reply.  I talked with Earl today and I believe that I am going with the 2351 Gas, and it comes in 6 speed transmission now.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: jfcaramagno on May 31, 2016, 11:38:38 pm
John,
I assume by the "diesel model" you mean the MG Sprinter chassis. We had two of those under Winnebago class C's and I have nothing but good things to say about the Sprinter. It is a new design while the Ford is an old design so the Sprinter just works better than the Ford. Take the transmission, for example. In our current E450 I cannot easily control the gears. I can select all gears (Drive) only 3rd gear, only 2nd gear or only 1st. In the Sprinter I could select all gears, all gears excluding 5th, all gears excluding 4th and 5th, al gears excluding 3rd 4th and 5th, etc. Driving downhill I could select the gear I wanted (usually 4th). I can do that in the Ford, but it is not easy or reliable. If I was buying a short Phoenix I'd get the Sprinter chassis.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: JOHN on June 09, 2016, 11:27:36 pm
Carol,
I noticed you have the 2350 with no slide.  Do you have any second thoughts about not having the slide?
I have just ordered a new 2351 with a slide, though I questioned the slide.
John


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on June 10, 2016, 12:14:21 am
Hi John,

Welcome!

About the topic of a slide out.

We have an older 2350 (a 2007 model year) without the slide out which we intentionally ordered that way.  It is not the popular choice, but has been the right choice for us.  It has been 9 years since we bought our PC-2350 and my wife and I are still glad we don't have the slide out.  We never did find value with the extra floor space that the slide out offers, but rather found greater value in having a good size dinette, much more storage, and the clean interior while traveling as we do travel a lot.  Other notable benefits were the lower purchase price, 400 pounds less weight, eliminated the reliability concerns when considering our 30+ year planned ownership, better insulated, no bugs or water brought inside when bringing in the slide out, and never any water entry during wind-driven rain.

Most people love their slide out(s) which are especially appreciated when snow-birding and such, lived-in and parked for long periods of time.  I do wonder if they would still love them 25 years later after everything slide out related has become tired.  At the same time, most people replace their motor home long before such issues surface, so they have only good things to say about them with regards to reliability.  They also emphasis resale & trade-in value because the open interior does offer a great impression, even in the used RV market.

I feel that if you generally change rigs every 10 years or so, then a PC slide out will surely serve you well.  It is during the 2nd or 3rd decade when having a slide out could become more of a pain than a benefit.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: JOHN on June 10, 2016, 12:26:02 am
Ron,
I must say that I have truly enjoyed your comments on the forum site this being my first RV, and I have struggled for about a month with whether the slide was truly a benefit. 
I went with the sofa versus the dinette (I am 6'3" and around 250 pounds and Earl indicated he did not squeeze well into the dinette), and the sofa cannot be fully extended unless you have a slide.
I wonder how many times I might change my build out before Earl tells me time is up.
I saw you travel in UP MI, I might plan to travel there after pickup in late September 2016 to iron out any flaws before traveling back to Texas.
Look forward to more of your tips.
John


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on June 10, 2016, 12:34:36 am
I went with the sofa versus the dinette (I am 6'3" and around 250 pounds and Earl indicated he did not squeeze well into the dinette),
John,

I wonder if model 2351 with no slide out and no pantry along the driver side, could offer an extra long dinette table (more distance between benches) which would provide a lot more dinette leg room for a tall person.  That would also have the potential to offer extra room for a large belt-line person, increasing the dimension between back rest and table edge.  The extra long table could easily sacrifice a few inches on each end to increase seating room.  You would give up the bed conversion which is an easy sacrifice for some people.  It is something to ask Earl about if a dinette is a high priority for you.  

If considering a dinette, be sure to get the leather with memory foam as it is much more comfortable to sit on.  Memory foam is thinner & more dense than standard foam which increases comfort and space.  The cloth softer foam swallowed us up and I bottomed out on the bench board.  The leather makes for easy entry & exit from the dinette bench seats.  I know all this because we ordered our PC with standard foam with cloth, later changed to memory foam & leather, a great improvement in comfort.

PS: Thank you for your kind words.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carol on June 10, 2016, 12:00:29 pm
Hi John,
Nope, no second thoughts about going slideless here.  And the reasons are all cited by Ron.  hithere
Sounds like if you go with the couch, your decision is made for you, though I must say that Ron's design idea on growing the dinette is pretty cool.  Along those lines, I'll say as a solo traveler I love my dinette.  I can enjoy the TV from the frontward facing bench.  I can leave my table set up with paperwork, computer, some home decor things (table lamp, pictures, and a couple of knickknacks) and still have room to eat a meal.
Like Ron said, it all depends on how you travel, how long you stay in one place, and what you do when you get there (stay inside a lot or always out and about, mostly be alone or constantly entertaining?).
Good luck, have fun, and keep us posted!
Carol


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron-n-toni on June 10, 2016, 12:57:55 pm
Deere John.   roflol We picked up our 2351 in  December. We did away with the kitchen pantry and had PC extend the kitchen counter 6 inches and made the bed 6 inches longer. I am 6'3" and sleep in the bed alone. We did away with the dinette and elected the power recliner sofa in the slide. My wife sleeps on the recliner and is happy with her bed. I also had a higher dome installed in the shower for my height and also works out well. I believe the standard dome would be too short. The bath is very small but gets the job done. I upgraded to a gel mattress for the long bed but am disappointed. Hard to climb out of the hole in the morning. We have a foam company a short distance away and will have them make me up a better one. We also had the double pane windows and a swivel passenger seat installed. Also had fantastic fans (3) put in. We are presently in Florida for a family reunion and it is HOT.  The only complaint we have is the A/C is loud. The factory table sits in our basement. Hard to get out from behind the Eurochair and hard to set up. Bought a plastic folding table for eating on and folds and rides on the rear bed. We came down from a 35 ft Newmar DP and like our 2351 better. This is our first trip without a toad (Trailhawk) and  we like it so far.  Ours is on a 450 chassis. Also had an awning on the slide window and the power awning option. We really liked the 2552 but PC could not make the bed longer. So 2351 it is. Hope this helps. By the way. We harassed Earl and Kyle for three days at the Tampa show before we plopped our money down.  2o2


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: JOHN on June 12, 2016, 01:07:10 am
Ron,
Rethinking my build out without the slide and with a dinette.  Really looking for ideas about a recliner.  The Euro chair looks too small, your wife looks comfortable in your third seat, though she may be shorter.  Did you order and install?
I will visit with Earl next week on how we might arrange the dinette for my size and possible another passenger swiveling seat.
John


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: JOHN on June 12, 2016, 01:12:10 am
Thanks Carol - I am now leaning back to no slide and warming up to the dinette.
Really looking for ideas on a recliner and may just go with a third passenger seat similar to Ron's set up.
Hope to lock myself down next week with Earl.
Thanks again - John


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on June 12, 2016, 09:15:47 am
John,

Back in 2007, PC-USA installed a low back chair called a barrel chair.  It was pedestal-mounted to the floor.  Years later I replaced that chair with a 3rd matching captain seat.  It was very easy to swap back then, all of 20 minutes.  Seat belts and pedestal, all were never tampered with.

PC-USA will do today what we have, maybe at no extra charge.  Ask Earl if there is an up-charge.  Something tells me it's the same cost.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: JOHN on June 12, 2016, 04:23:34 pm
I like the no extra charge and that will give me a reclining chair.  Thanks


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Waterdog on June 14, 2016, 10:35:22 pm
A quick introduction. We are Bill and Cathe Seaman and we thinking about owning a Phoenix Cruiser most likely a 2551 .Having never owned an RV of any kind and we are only considering one now to travel with our 2 Portugease Water Dogs to dog events like agility and water trails . Northern Michigan is home for us . The time fram for purchase is up in the air depending on the sale of a 37 ft sailboat we just listed . So for now I'am keeping up on the Used market of what Phoenix Cruiser are for sale and for how much money . We would consider a 2007 or newer depending on price as it seem like their are several used 2551 out there to chose from .
Thank you for your help
Bill Seaman


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Barry-Sue on June 15, 2016, 01:41:10 am
Welcome Bill and Cathe.  We have a 2012 2551 and absolutely love it.  We are in lower Michigan but travel northern Michigan often.  We will be in the thumb area for a week starting the 29th of June.  If you happen to be near Caseville stop in at Sleeper State Park.
Barry and Sue


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Waterdog on June 15, 2016, 09:49:24 am
Thank you for the offer but we are a long way away . We live near Charlevoix mi . If you get up this way we would love to come by.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Polish Prince on June 15, 2016, 09:19:53 pm
Welcome Bill, we live just east of Ludington, so you are almost in our neighborhood.  We are expecting delivery of our 2351 on August 15th, so we aren't quite owner yet.  I hope you find what you are looking for.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Waterdog on June 15, 2016, 10:37:33 pm
I bet you are excited waiting for your new Cruiser . We would love to come down and see it when you get it . I expect to buy used because we are not sure how often we will use it . Living here In the Norh is great and a hard place to leave in he summer. Our 2 PWD are the biggest reason we want to try traveling in an RV . 
Best of luck
Bill Seaman


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: BendOregon on July 09, 2016, 08:57:25 pm
We are former 40 foot diesel pusher owners, and very interested in the Phoenix Cruiser. We tried an Airstream trailer...did not like towing it. We have not found anything that looks to have the fit and finish of the Phoenix Cruiser. Being in Bend Oregon, it is a long way to Elkhart to view models. If anyone is going to be near us, and would be willing to let us see their unit, we would appreciate you contacting us thru this forum. We will travel a reasonable distance to see you,  or if there are any rallies or club outings near by. Thank you.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Bruce and Sharon on July 10, 2016, 11:15:31 am
Hello Bend Oregon.  Welcome to the Forum.

We loved our 38' Beaver Monterey diesel pusher (built in Bend) that we used for ten years until we switched to our Phoenix Cruiser in 2013 and we now love it equally.  We've found the fit and finish of Phoenix Cruiser to be equal to our Beaver, and the factory after-sale service to be superior to the excellent service we received in Bend.

We will be Ashland, OR for two weeks in September, so if you haven't seen a Phoenix Cruiser before then you might take a trip down to Ashland to see ours.

Bruce and Sharon


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Rosy Phoenix on July 22, 2016, 12:39:06 pm
Hello from beautiful Northern California. We are the proud new owners of a 2004 Phoenix Cruiser, model 2550 with slide out bed/couch in the middle and full bath in the rear. We could not love it more, unless it was brand new! Will be picking the brains of all owners to guide us on our journey to update out cruiser, the first of which is removing carpet to install vinyl. Special thanks to Aimee for helping us join the forum.  We are retired, grandparents to 7 and can't wait to hear about other cruisers adventures.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: GoLo on July 22, 2016, 01:05:43 pm
Hi everyone
A short introduction. We are Gordon & Lois James, we live in Grandville Michigan. We are supposed to take delivery of our new 2552 in mid Aug. Can hardly wait. We previously owned a fifth wheel and decided to downsize, after a year of looking decided on the Phoenix Cruiser. Looking forward to being part of this forum.
Gordon


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on July 22, 2016, 02:57:33 pm
Welcome Rosy and Gordon!

You'll have questions so when they come, just ask.  There are no stupid questions.  All of us are here to help in our various areas of knowledge and even lack thereof.  In answering a question, I continue to learn too from the response from others correcting my answer.  My point is.....nobody here has it 100% together.  But we try our best to help each other as best we can.

Ron


Title: Installing vinyl floor
Post by: Rosy Phoenix on July 22, 2016, 04:09:56 pm
we are replacing the carpet in the main living area with vinyl  (not the cab nor the bedroom containing the slide), and are kinda stumped on what to do in the stairwell? Wonder if other peeps have done anything similar and have ideas on how to handle that area? Thanks in advance!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Polish Prince on July 22, 2016, 07:31:36 pm
Hi everyone
A short introduction. We are Gordon & Lois James, we live in Grandville Michigan. We are supposed to take delivery of our new 2552 in mid Aug. Can hardly wait. We previously owned a fifth wheel and decided to downsize, after a year of looking decided on the Phoenix Cruiser. Looking forward to being part of this forum.
Gordon
Welcome, we are picking up our 2351 on August 15th at 10:00, maybe we'll see you.  We live up by Ludington.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: GoLo on July 23, 2016, 11:00:14 am
Thanks George
We don't have an exact date yet but I believe I saw your rig just in front of ours at the factory. We were down there just after the 4th to drop off our 5th wheel and checked on the progress.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: JOHN on July 23, 2016, 05:22:38 pm
Welcome Rosy & Gordon and Lois (GoL0),
I expect that you will enjoy your new PC and the PC Forum family.  Great diversity of ideas and helpful tips.

Welcome,

John


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Pax on July 26, 2016, 09:40:48 am
Welcome!

Rosy: we are also in Northern CA. (Napa/Vallejo/American Canyon area)  Let us know if you need any in-person help with anything. We may be available. You can private message us here on the forum.

   Mike and Joni


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: garmp on August 10, 2016, 01:49:11 pm
New board member and hopefully a future Cruiser owner. Been camping for a very long time from a rope and tarp to a tent, to vans and lately to a SportsMobile,  and hopefully to a Phoenix Cruiser 2100 shortly. Age is beginning to take it's toll and a few more comforts are needed.
I've been lurking on this board for a while and decided to join to learn as much as I can before making the plunge. So please with me and my questions.

Thanks

garmp
St. Louis, MO


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Gail Staton on August 10, 2016, 05:28:48 pm
Welcome, garmp.   We have a 2013 2100 model that we purchased 15 months ago.   I would be happy to help answer any questions either on the forum or send a private message.

Gail


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on August 12, 2016, 06:24:43 am
Welcome garmp,  Ask us here whatever comes to mind.  Many of us PC owners and forum members are here to serve.  Ron Dittmer


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Pax on August 13, 2016, 07:22:36 am
Welcome, garmp!  :)(:


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: HenryJ on August 13, 2016, 09:34:12 am
Ron,
I must say that I have truly enjoyed your comments on the forum site this being my first RV, and I have struggled for about a month with whether the slide was truly a benefit. 
I went with the sofa versus the dinette (I am 6'3" and around 250 pounds and Earl indicated he did not squeeze well into the dinette), and the sofa cannot be fully extended unless you have a slide.
I wonder how many times I might change my build out before Earl tells me time is up.
I saw you travel in UP MI, I might plan to travel there after pickup in late September 2016 to iron out any flaws before traveling back to Texas.
Look forward to more of your tips.
John
There is a campground about 3 miles from the shop, we suggest a stop over there for a couple of days to see if there is anything on actual camping that might need an adjustment. They have full service sites, easy pull through to the left side of the office where you sign in. And its not far from Martins supermarket where you can find great fried chicken and stock the refrig. Good luck Patricia and Jim in Tampa


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Tall Guy on September 02, 2016, 01:38:08 pm
Hi to all!  This is the Tall Guy aka Gary just dropping a line to say hello.  My wife and I are from Plainwell, Mi, currently we do not own a PC but are planning to place an order in 2-3 years.  We would only be able to use it four weeks a year for vacation plus a handful of weekend getaways and I can't see letting something that cost that much sit idle.  My wife is retiring in two years and I'll be following two years later.  After that it's look out America here we come!  Currently we travel and sleep in the back of our GMC HD2500 king cab 8' bed 4x4 truck with a topper,  I built a platform above the wheel wells and storage underneath.  It works great but we're getting older and are looking for a little more luxury especially when it's raining cats and dogs!  I'll be poking around the forum asking questions from time to time and offering input on travel destinations I'm familiar with.

Starry skies to all!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: RheaNL on September 02, 2016, 10:13:01 pm
Almost....Welcome to the Phoenix family. The few years until retirement will fly past and give you a few years to customize your rig and figure out what works best for you. ENJOY!!

When you pass through Colorado we are in Glenwood Springs--according to a Rand McNally survey, the funnest little town in America. Stop by and say hi.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Pax on September 03, 2016, 09:23:48 am
Welcome Gary and wife!   :)(:

While traveling before your purchase be sure to let us know where you might be in case one of our PC's are in the area for you to look at.  It sure makes things easier to start planning and eventually deciding when you've actually seen a few up close.

  - Mike


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on September 04, 2016, 12:35:26 am
Hi to all!  This is the Tall Guy aka Gary just dropping a line to say hello.  My wife and I are from Plainwell, Mi, currently we do not own a PC but are planning to place an order in 2-3 years.  We would only be able to use it four weeks a year for vacation plus a handful of weekend getaways and I can't see letting something that cost that much sit idle.  My wife is retiring in two years and I'll be following two years later.  After that it's look out America here we come!  Currently we travel and sleep in the back of our GMC HD2500 king cab 8' bed 4x4 truck with a topper,  I built a platform above the wheel wells and storage underneath.  It works great but we're getting older and are looking for a little more luxury especially when it's raining cats and dogs!  I'll be poking around the forum asking questions from time to time and offering input on travel destinations I'm familiar with.

Starry skies to all!
Hi Gary,

Welcome to the PC forum!

When you finally get your PC, you and your wife will be asking yourselves why you waited so long to get the right travel mobile.

We bought our PC eight years before I was forced retired, handing my job over to Penang Malaysia engineering last year.  During my working years, we would travel under much of the same time restrictions you have.  Given our later-year physical needs and comforts, our previous travel accommodations HERE (https://www.flickr.com/photos/37432012@N08/albums/72157621472936441) went on for way too long.  The last trip we took in the old rig had a last-straw moment where we new it was over and done with.

Anyhow, I hope you hang around and learn much about the good and the little bad too.  If you don't already know, there is no such thing as the "perfect motor home".  But the PC line-up rides near the top of the list, especially when considering the money spent.

Again,   (w)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Tall Guy on September 06, 2016, 12:14:10 pm
Thanks for the warm welcome everyone!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Two Hams in a Can on September 15, 2016, 04:16:58 pm
Hi all...just realized we haven't introduced ourselves yet.  I'm Jeff and she's Suzanne; and our two parti color Cocker Spaniels are Scout and her younger sister, Sydney.  We are former fulltimers who have become sometimers due to health issues.  We started in a 30ft Airstream trailer and later made a move up to a 40ft Foretravel motorhome that was easier on my old bones (Suzanne has no such issues, he said gallantly!).  After selling the Foretravel when we got off the road, we tried a 14ft Casita trailer to cure our "hitch itch". . .poor decision.  We sold the Casita and are now looking to purchase a PC after a new grandson is born in October and other busy things are done with by mid December.  We hope to get a 2012 or later 2400 (like the corner cabinet by the back door); or a 2010 -2014 2551 or 2552 (no dinette).  We like theatre, both as audience and cast members (she's also a director); and WWII re-enacting (I portray British Home Guard).  Hope to see you on the road.  =J & S=  :)(: (%) (%)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on September 15, 2016, 06:05:22 pm
My official (w) to J&S


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Michelle Dungan on October 01, 2016, 03:51:25 am
Hello, everyone!

I've been what some forums call a "lurker" (unregistered viewer) for about a year but as retirement approaches with more time for travel, I decided to join your group.  Whether we end up with a good used Phoenix Cruiser 2350, 2351, Leisure Travel Libero, or certain smaller Coach House or Born Free RVs is unknown, but the knowledge gained by reading your comments and responses is a useful addition to my own experience and other research. 

I grew up traveling in the '60's and '70's with Dad and Mom's three successively larger (16-22 feet) travel trailers and various powerful but overheating Oldsmobiles and Buicks that towed them.  Their finally buying a Suburban for towing didn't happen 'til I was in college (mechanical engineering major at time, then on to the liberal arts), but did save them from summertime mountain grade  travel while fretting over potential boil-overs.  A few years ago, Dad got the travel bug again and bought a '97 Roadtrek 170 (Dodge Ram 2500) that we borrow but find a bit cramped for two.  It is cleverly designed for what it is, and rides and handles well (though those Chevrolet Express-based units do drive more nicely), but the low ground clearance, partially from the freshwater tank mounted under floorpan (which could freeze), and the daily need to convert the rear bed into a dinette while not stepping on the dog vs using the tiny table up front that restricts movement, doesn't really meet our needs.  Those needs also include towing an '03 Jeep Rubicon on some trips.  Tent camping with the Jeep is still fun but not all the time, and never when making or breaking camp in the rain!

I'll have a number of questions that I'll keep in separate emails to avoid confusion, and hopefully some of you can answer.  Thank you for what you provide for each other, and I hope I can also help some time.  Take care!



Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Gail Staton on October 01, 2016, 07:24:11 am
Welcome, Michelle .  .

 I can identify with much in your introduction from having a daughter in San Diego to having owned  a Leisure Travel Van,  to  visiting the Coach House factory, and researching Born Free.   A year and a half ago we purchased a used PC 2013 2100 w/slide.

I would be happy to help in any way as you continue to gather info for your future purchase.

Gail


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Polish Prince on October 01, 2016, 09:59:06 am
Michelle Welcome.  The research is a big bunch of the fun.  We did our research for almost a year, visiting 4 plants and a few shows.  The variety of units out there gives you many ideas and the nice thing we found was PC was willing to incorporate some of them into our 2351, which we took delivery of in August.  Enjoy the search and the members on this forum are wonderful about addressing items.  They helped us a lot.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: jatrax on October 02, 2016, 10:19:29 am
Hi everyone,
Not an owner, yet, but really like what we see so far.  Have been looking at Leisure Travel, Pleasure Way and Coach House but Phoenix Cruiser keeps coming back to the top of the list.

This forum has been a wealth of knowledge and I greatly appreciate all the tips and sharing of ideas that has been posted here.

Planning a factory tour at the end of this month and hope to actually get to drive a PC. 

John and Carrie


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Gail Staton on October 02, 2016, 01:12:30 pm
Welcome John and Carrie.

We owned a Leisure Travel Van for 10 years and the PC 2100 for a year and a half.     Coach House and Pleasure Way build great motor homes, too.

Hope I can be of some help to you.

Gail

 


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: jatrax on October 02, 2016, 01:53:41 pm
Thanks Gail!
This will be our first motorhome so trying to learn everything and get it right.  There is an LTV dealer just down the road from us and we have toured several LTV models but they are just a bit too small for us.  We both are still working and need some office space on board.  The flexibility of PC is a real attraction, both for the slight extra length and their seeming willingness to do some custom work.

Too many questions and not sure what to ask.  I have asked Earl so many I think I used up my question allocation already. :)

I have really enjoyed looking at the pictures of everyone's modifications posted here.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Gail Staton on October 02, 2016, 03:57:12 pm
John and Carrie,

When it came time to replace our LTV they did not have a size short enough for us.   The PC 2100 was what we needed for our travel style.   I'm sure PC can modify one of their models to meet your needs. 

Whenever you have questions just post them here and one of the knowledgeable members will surely help. 

Gail



Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 4X4Diversion on October 03, 2016, 10:07:54 pm
Hello from the mountains of western Wyoming!
We are expecting to pickup our new 2351 in Elkhart in early November.
Because we expect to use the 2351 on snowy roads to occasionally escape the winter here in the mountains, we went with the 4X4 option. It may also come in handy for navigating forest service roads on fishing trips in summer months.
In our 2351 we chose the reclining sofa instead of the dinette with a side-out pantry next to the refrigerator. On the other side we made the corner bed 80" and made the kitchen counter top 6" bigger with 6 drawers underneath.
One unusual change we made was to go with a compressor fridge vs the absorption. To help with the extra electrical demand we are going with two 105AH AGM batteries. We had a similar setup in our popup camper that we just sold. Our camping spots are often far from level so we did not want the absorption fridge -- we will see how this works out on the PC.

Many thanks to all the forum members -- you have helped us decide on buying a PC and helped us decide which model was for us,
Stan and Pattee


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Gail Staton on October 04, 2016, 07:11:15 am
welcome Stan and Pattee,

I'm sure you are counting down the days until you pick up your 2351.   We all have different needs in a motor home and have different travel styles.   Glad PC was able to accommodate you.   We are in what I call our "Tiny House" the 2100 which is perfect for our needs at this stage of life.

We traveled in your state and loved our time there.

Gail


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: rdalton on October 04, 2016, 08:22:09 am
Welcome to Phoenix USA RV's Discussion Board. We think you'll find this is a nice place to hang out. Why don't you start off with a little introduction and tell us a bit about yourself?

Hello fellow PC owners!

In May we purchased a 2008 2900 with 27k miles from the Virginia area, which is our fist motorhome, upgrading from a teardrop trailer  :-D I believe I have been a member/lurker to the forum for a few months now, consuming as much of your information as possible.

About a year ago, when we started researching MH's, we were quite overwhelmed the various makes/models, and quite frankly, the garbage.  I found myself gravitating towards older Coach House, Chinooks, etc, where quality seemed to be a priority, but was disappointed that they collapsed in 2008 and were no longer supported.  We came very close to purchasing a Nexus (which seemed to have some quality, but was new to the market), but after some further research I stumbled upon a discussion on rv.net where a "Ron Dittmer" spoke highly of a "Phoenix Cruiser".  I found myself VERY excited about this Phoenix Cruiser he spoke of!!  We waited, and we watched the market, and today, we are extremely excited and satisfied Phoenix Cruiser owners. 

I am fairly handy, and am still very ecstatic that the more I work on this RV, the more satisfied I am with the quality build of the PC.  While shopping, there was a month or two where I became so frustrated with how poorly other coach's were built - so much that I was unsure I wanted to invest in one (this was prior to seeing a PC). 

I have emailed Ron on various occasions for some guidance, and welcomed his replies.  Thanks to all of you for the investment of knowledge here on this forum - I find myself fortunate to be a member, fellow owner, and contributor.

Rob Dalton


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Gail Staton on October 04, 2016, 08:32:42 am
Welcome Rob,

So glad you found PC and are so happy with your purchase.   Ron is one of our great ambassadors  along with other owners here.  I wish you safe travels and many happy  miles ahead.

Gail


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: JOHN on October 05, 2016, 09:12:58 pm
I am at Phoenix Cruiser's parking lot with my new 2351.

Enjoyed my walk through with Earl, though he did comment that is lookew d like a deer in the headlights of a 2351.

My 2351 is without a slide and with a dinette.  I am pleased with how the dinette turned out.  Both benches (because of the extra room in 2351 without a slide) are 2 1/2" wider with the same somewhat standard width of the dinette table top.  Earl explained that the crew lengthens the table top and benches (the length from the window towards the open room) when without a slide.  Now this decreases the room in the cabin, but makes a very nice size dinette and the bed with the extra 5" in the width of the two benches is not 70".  Not bad.

The problem is the 3rd seat captain's chair.  They put it too close to the wall rather than behind the passenger's seat such that it is limited in swiveling and unable to recline.  Will talk with Kermit tomorrow to see if it can be moved or possibly removed.  I will update on that.

I will try to post some pictures of the interior and exterior (white without any decals).

My 30+ days meandering back to Texas with be a mixture of w/hook ups and w/out in OH, KY, TN, AR and TX, so should have a chance to break me in (newbie to RV travel) and my 2351.

John


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TheLuvShack on October 05, 2016, 09:42:49 pm
I've been an online lurker and admirer of PCs for some time . We began tent camping then moved up tp a 1971 Avion 28' trailer. We loved that old silver twinkie but sold it and haven't camped for about 3 years now. We miss it. Today we purchased Ron Good's (ragoodsp) used 2012 model 3100. I say used because it is a 2012, but there's hardly a mark on it. Ron really took care of that baby! We're looking forward to meeting many of you and sharing experiences. This forum helped us make our decision and hopefully we can pay it forward.
Daryl and Janet Pollard
Lafayette, IN


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on October 07, 2016, 10:20:21 pm
I am at Phoenix Cruiser's parking lot with my new 2351.

Enjoyed my walk through with Earl, though he did comment that is lookew d like a deer in the headlights of a 2351.

My 2351 is without a slide and with a dinette.  I am pleased with how the dinette turned out.  Both benches (because of the extra room in 2351 without a slide) are 2 1/2" wider with the same somewhat standard width of the dinette table top.  Earl explained that the crew lengthens the table top and benches (the length from the window towards the open room) when without a slide.  Now this decreases the room in the cabin, but makes a very nice size dinette and the bed with the extra 5" in the width of the two benches is not 70".  Not bad.

The problem is the 3rd seat captain's chair.  They put it too close to the wall rather than behind the passenger's seat such that it is limited in swiveling and unable to recline.  Will talk with Kermit tomorrow to see if it can be moved or possibly removed.

John

John,

Your dinette sounds awesome.

Regarding your 3rd captain chair.  You need to first adjust it away from the wall before swiveling it.  When reclined while swiveling, it will hit the door jamb. Just raise the backrest, swivel, and recline again.  Play with that one.  Hopefully you'll figure it out.

Ron Dittmer


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: lch269 on October 20, 2016, 10:06:17 pm
Good evening from Central Mississippi. After several years of going to shows and stalking yall on this forum, we toured the factory and ordered our 2552 yesterday! While the stalking sounds spooky..what we learned by doing so was a big help during the process with Earl and Kyle. Exciting time in our life. We look forward to continuing to follow the forum and take delivery on our PC. Everyone have a great evening.

Lee and Luanne Horton
Canton MS.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Pax on October 21, 2016, 11:21:43 am
Welcome Lee and Luanne!  I remember my PC stalking days....exciting times.  We love our 2552 and are sure you'll love yours as well!  The hard part is just beginning for you....the excruciating wait until your rig is delivered!  

   - Mike


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: BlueBlaze on October 25, 2016, 08:53:47 pm
Hi from Texas!

We bought Sparky's PC last May and have enjoyed reading all the hints and implementing a few.  We're totally green at this whole RV thing, so we'll probably just be lurking, but we might chime in from time to time.

Jon and Betty Baker
2008 PC 2350, E350, dinette, no slide


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Sandyc on October 25, 2016, 09:32:35 pm
Hi, My name is Sandy. I'm new to this forum. I just purchased a used 2013 Phoenix Cruiser 3100. This is our first Motor Home. Been RVing since 1990 with a 5th wheel. Having a motor under you vrs pulling a trailer is a totally new experience. I will probably have many questions about this rig in the future. I'm very mechanically inclined and well educated, so I should be able to understand most answers given me, although I am getting up in years, be patient, I'm old.

My first ? : Having a problem with the leveling system. The book says I have a HWH Hydraulic leveler. Where on this unit is the pump and reservoir? Perhaps it needs servicing, but can't locate it.

Thanks,
Sandy


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Pax on October 26, 2016, 07:11:49 am
Welcome, Jon and Betty!  Welcome, Sandy!  Won't be long before you're PC-Pro's!

Sandy, what kind of problem are you having with the levelers?  The control panel (not what you asked, I know) is just below the dashboard on the left of the drivers side seat.  The emergency brake must be engaged and the ignition on before the levelers will work.

    - Mike


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TomHanlon on October 26, 2016, 08:42:45 am
Welcome to both our new Texans.

Sandy the pump is mounted to the fame underneath on the drivers side. It is a real pain to get to it in order to check the fluid level. You will need a mirror as the hole is on top of the box. You will see led lights on the front of the box. What is your problem? Have you cleaned and sprayed the jacks and springs?


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on October 26, 2016, 10:29:20 am
Welcome aboard Lee & Luanne, Jon & Betty, and Sandy.

There is no such thing as a silly question.  Be sure to ask here before wasting a lot of time.  Please also share the things you have done with your PCs to make them work better for yourselves.  We all love to see what others are doing, and implement the ones we like for ourselves.

Congratulations on your purchases!  For you waiting for the birthday............hang in there.  If you learn of something you wished you could change or add, quickly call Earl to see if it can still get implemented.  You can make changes depending on where your rig is in the production process.  The factory is very good dealing with on-the-fly changes.

It is always good to read of new forum members.  The forum family here continues to grow  :)

Ron Dittmer


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Bill G on October 27, 2016, 03:13:35 pm
(I Hope I'm Doing This Right) :-D

My lovely wife and I have been toying with the idea of getting an RV for a while. I had unexpected open heart surgery two years ago this November 10th and it changes the way one looks at the time one has left on God's green earth.

 Karen, (my lovely better half) had never been “Out West”, so we took a two week road trip the first of this month to visit Mt. Rushmore, Cody Wyoming, into Yellowstone staying at the Old Faithful Inn for two nights where it snowed 2+ inches. Beautiful!! Leaving Yellowstone, we headed south through Jackson Hole and the Grand Teton area, into Grand Junction, through the mountains of Colorado to Durango where we stayed a few nights then headed home to the Cincinnati area.

 Along the way we saw many campers and motor homes and the idea of traveling the back roads of this beautiful country in an RV is taking up a lot of processing time in our brain cells. We bought a little Viking pop-up to take on our honeymoon to Vermont and New Hampshire 33 years ago, but sold it after 4 years when we built our home.

 I took to the internet to educate myself, and we stopped at four RV dealers on the way home last week to look at trailers and motor homes. The short of it is, from cute campers to boxy Cs, to big As with little crash protection, back to looking for a more streamlined C, I found Earl at Phoenix Cruiser.
I've watch Earls videos numerous times and looked at all the pictures and like what I see! I look at other RV manufactures, but keep coming back to PC. Karen and I agreed, I’d research and choose the mechanical/ build of an RV and she picks the floor plan and gets to do her nesting thing. We guys don't need much! I like the 2552 for the two of us.

 So a few questions:

1) What sort of track system is on the slide outs? Any issues with the slides and do they have the roll out canopy on top as I've seen on other makes?

2) I’m 6’4”, anyone have any height issues other than the AC unit? Earl tells me they can adjust the sleeping area. I guess stick my feet into the closet.

3) Correct me if I’m wrong, the 450 VAN chassis is used which means the big engine hump. Is there plenty of leg/feet room by the pedals so the gas foot isn’t over to the left which means a sore hip after a few hours?

I’ll be lurking taking notes to ask Earl next weekend when we drive up to tour the factory and check out a few models.

Trying to find the balance......Tomorrow is promised to no one, but also, not living like there is no tomorrow.

 Safe Travels,

Bill G.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: jatrax on October 27, 2016, 05:54:43 pm
Hi Bill and welcome!

I think you did it right!

I am just looking as well and visiting the factory this coming Monday.  Really looking forward to it.  I cannot answer many of your questions but here is what I can say:

1) There have been very few reported issues with the slides, I have read almost all the threads on this forum and only remember two posting about slide problems.  No idea what brand they use, but I did read here that it was changing for 2017 but you should ask at the factory about that.

2) I'm 5' 9" so no height issues for me!!!! :lol

3) Yes the E-450 is the chassis.  And I have test sat in a number of them, including one older Phoenix Cruiser.  Driver side I think will be OK.  In fact the seats are way too short for me and I am going to ask if they can raise them a bit, should be good for you.  Passenger side though, might be an issue.  The legroom there is limited and even my wife has commented there is not much room.  So test that area carefully to be sure it works for you.  Not really any options though, except to go with a coach built on the ford F series.  Which PC does not do.

What day are you at the factory, maybe we will cross paths?

Best,
John


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Gail Staton on October 27, 2016, 07:06:14 pm
Welcome Bill and Karen.

We have a 2013 2100 and our slide is made by Liftco.  So far the only problem we experience is rattling when driving.  It does not bother hubby but I find it annoying.  It does have a canopy over it.   

Hubby has no problem with leg room or pedal placement.  The passenger's side has limited floor space and does gets hot.   Some owners have installed insulation to help with the heat.   We have not.

I can't say enough about PC customer service.  Our experience has been second to none. 

I totally agree with your last sentence and hope you and Karen are out there seeing our beautiful country very soon.   We enjoyed all the places you mentioned visiting and a whole more.  A great time is awaiting you.

Gail


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Pax on October 28, 2016, 04:55:48 am
Welcome Bill and Karen!

1- No issue with the slide on our 2014 2552.  It does have a roll out canopy.

2- I am 6' tall and there are no problems for me, however I have had folks in our rig that were about your height and some were not comfortable (bumping their heads on the a/c, bending over while moving around, etc.). It did not bother others who were that tall.  My suggestion is to walk through a PC (or other class B+/C's) before purchasing to ensure you would be comfortable.

3- Yep, big hump there, however for me it is an extremely comfortable seat/cockpit.  Even after stretches of 8-12 hours of driving (yes, 12......don't ask)  pyho  :lol

   - Mike


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on October 28, 2016, 05:35:03 am
Bill and Karen
(w)

I sent you a separate email with my thoughts given your height of 6'-4".

As others have mentioned, visiting the factory and walking through them yourself, you will know pretty quickly how a PC fits you.  Regardless of the model and floor plan, the ceiling height will be the same.  The showers are fairly consistent too, something you'll want to pay close attention to.  I've heard the factory offers a higher dome shower skylight to provide a little extra head clearance, something Earl will likely mention.

Regarding the Ford E350/E450 chassis, you will want to size yourself for that one and also the Mercedes Sprinter and the Ford Transit.  There is a Transit chassis sitting in the corner of the shop.  Hopefully Earl will let you sit in the driver seat, assuming it has a seat installed.

The one thing that bothers me with our Ford E350 is the skew of the gas and brake pedals to the left.  It is something I have to get used to every time we start a new voyage, and I don't find it comfortable either.  Everything else not perfect to me is trivial by comparison.

The Ford E350 & E450 with V10 engine is extremely reliable and is documented so by the various industry report cards.  I have not read a story of someone who experienced roadside trouble in the E350/E450 chassis built since 1997, that was not related to tires or owner error draining the chassis battery.  Brake issues are discussed now and then but I can't blame the chassis for the owner letting their rig sit out in the elements in a field for extended periods, letting the brake rotors develop barnacle rust.  Anything wrong from the get-go, typically pointed to something the RV manufacture did wrong with the chassis.  Simply stated, the E350 & E450 are great for reliability and durability.  If only the industry offered tires that handled a heavier load for the bigger/longer/heavier motor homes, including the longest of PCs.

Back in 2007 when we bought ours, it was built in the USA and 97% of it's parts were too, something I greatly appreciated.  But I doubt if that percentage holds true today.

Again
(w)

Ron


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 2 Frazzled on October 28, 2016, 08:06:48 am
Ron, question on the pedals. I haven't driven in a few months but drove our Phoenix extensively before, however, I've never been conscious of any "skew" to the pedals or need to angle my legs while driving. I suspect there was a redesign somewhere between your 2007 and our 2013.  Hopefully some other owners of recent models can weigh in with thoughts on this.

My main spot is the passenger/navigator seat and I don't like the way the hump pushes in on that side. It doesn't really twist my body buy my left leg is definitely restricted from moving left. Since it is a Ford thing, it is going to be in all brands that use the Ford chassis. That said, we are accustomed to it and are both pretty comfortable in either side of the cockpit. It takes a little work to get up and out to the back but sliding the seat back before making the effort helps a lot. I usually don't bother and just shift over and through.





Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Cat House on October 28, 2016, 10:46:59 am
Cat House is so named since we travel with cats. Our other choice was Hams on Wheels since Tom and I are both amateur radio operators.  WE bought a used 2012 Phoenix Cruiser and love it.

This is not our first coach...We have owned two 1975 GMC motorhomes -- nicknamed Tom's Mistress I and II, since he spent so much time with each one always tweaking something.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Two Hams in a Can on October 28, 2016, 11:19:54 am
Welcome to the forum!  We are PC newbies too, but are former fulltimers (Airstream TT and Foretravel).  Our moniker is Two Hams in a Can, but we don't do radios.  We are both actors (hams) and throughout our RV life, folks who don't know us would come up to us and say something like, "Hi!  I'm W5YN6."  We gently tell them we aren't that kind of "ham".  We are looking for our first PC. . .preferably a 2400, but wouldn't turn down a reasonably priced 2552.   :)(:


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Sandyc on October 28, 2016, 09:13:56 pm
Welcome to both our new Texans.

Sandy the pump is mounted to the fame underneath on the drivers side. It is a real pain to get to it in order to check the fluid level. You will need a mirror as the hole is on top of the box. You will see led lights on the front of the box. What is your problem? Have you cleaned and sprayed the jacks and springs?

Thanks for replying. Found the pump, checked it out, seems ok. Everything works.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Bill G on October 28, 2016, 09:56:20 pm
Haven't figured out how to reply individually so I'm trying this.

Thanks to everyone for the warm welcome. We will be meeting with Earl next Friday and will be trying everything out and asking a lot of questions.

As I told Ron, it turns out I must have shrunk as the tell of the tape says I'm now 6'2.5" so interior height shouldn't be an issue. Glad to hear the cockpit shouldn't be an issue but nothing like putting ones butt in the seat.

I spoke to Earl about the slides and PC is now using the Lippert slide system, check their web site.

I was wondering, what is the distance from the front bumper to the back of the cab as the chassis comes from Ford? Trying to figure the lenght of the living space in a 2552.

Thanks again, and my best to all,

Bill G.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Pguill on October 29, 2016, 12:08:16 pm
My husband and I have been full timing in our 36 Ft New Horizons 5th wheel for the last 8 yrs. We spend our winters on the Texas coast and have been traveling in the states and Canada during the summers. At this point we are thinking about leaving the 5th wheel in storage and  getting a PC to travel in during the summer.  We are considering the 2910d. We have several questions we hope someone can address. My husband is concerned about downsizing and if we can adapt to less space.
We read about upgrading the suspension. Recommendations?? Somewhere I saw in the forum about adding extra insulation in the cab for noise control? Any problems with maintainance at Ford dealerships?   I would appreciate any recommendations especially from owners of the 2910 model.

Patty G


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on October 29, 2016, 12:38:15 pm
We have a 2013 2910 (custom with twin beds) and one slide (with the sofa in it). Since new, we have left FL in June and returned home in Sept. so 3 1/2 to 4 months living in it with no issues. This year, we have reserved a seasonal site in Maine. The CG opens in May and closes Columbus Day so we have the opportunity to spend 5 months in it--we shall see!

We had Phoenix put some insulation under the floor in the cab to reduce the heat but that is all we have done.

Others have added new shocks, sway bars etc, We have not added anything.

Our Ford dealer has taken care of a few things but they don't have lift capable of lifting the PC so I guess if it came to that we would have to take it to a Ford Truck dealership for work, So far we haven't had to do that.

Oh year, I forgot--Welcome to the Forum

Judi


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Pax on October 30, 2016, 08:50:24 am
Welcome aboard, Patty!

Lots of info on the forum regarding folks adding/replacing shocks, sway bars, etc.  I think that it all boils down to what comfort level you want, which model you choose, how much you pack into it, how many people travel with you.......

Regarding Ford service: We have a huge dealership near us that I would have bet would service our PC without a problem, but they said they didn't even have the room to change the oil on an RV.  Another smaller Ford dealership near us is able to perform most maintenance tasks on the engine but nothing beyond that due to inability to lift it (they had to crawl under the rig to change the oil).  As Judi said, we would bring the rig to a Ford Truck Center for Ford-related repairs or service if we needed to, but they are few and far between out in our area.  Prior to that I would call the Ford Motorhome Assistance Center 1-800-444-3311 just in case I missed something closer.

   - Mike


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Bruce and Sharon on October 30, 2016, 04:26:19 pm

I was wondering, what is the distance from the front bumper to the back of the cab as the chassis comes from Ford? Trying to figure the lenght of the living space in a 2552.

Bill G.


Hi Bill,
Our 2014 2552 is 28'4" long measured from the front bumper to the back of the rear cap.  The ladder extends the length a few more inches.
--Bruce


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Bill G on October 31, 2016, 06:56:55 am
Thanks Bruce, but what is the length of the actual living space? Trying to find d the lengthy of the cab as it comes from Ford so I know what to subtract from the stated length of the different models.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Bruce and Sharon on October 31, 2016, 10:12:44 am
Bill,

I'm uncertain of what measurement you want to arrive at the amount of living space.

For the "cab" itself, do you want the length from the front bumper to the rear edge of the driver's side door?

We use the entire inside length of the coach from the front windshield to to rear wall of the bathroom while we are camped.  I can measure that if you think it would be useful to you. 

The passenger seat turns around, we store items on and around the drivers seat, and we have a small table that straddles the engine cover to provide counter space there.

I would be cautious in using any "stated length" of different models in determining "living area" as I have found them to be inaccurate in many cases.

--Bruce


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Bill G on October 31, 2016, 07:14:02 pm
Yes to your second sentence....the cab length of every Ford 450 chassis should be the same. Curious as to how much of the stated length is actually the camper/house/living part. The brochures give you the width but not length of the BOX.

 tymote
BILL


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Bruce and Sharon on November 01, 2016, 10:50:16 pm
Bill,

Here are the length measurements made today on our 2552:
Ford cab area (front bumper to forward part of the PC house) is approximately 8’
Forward part of the PC house to the rear wall) is approximately 19’ 3”
The PC rear cap including the spare tire cover is approximately 13”

Hope this is of some help in your search for the model that fits your needs.

--Bruce


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: swiftboot on November 04, 2016, 07:34:06 am
Hello from Central Florida.  Proud owner of new to me 2351 with slide dinette.  I want to thank everyone on this board for sharing their knowledge and opinions of the Phoenix Cruiser.   This is my first motorhome and I am sure there will be many questions forthcoming.   Already several questions have surfaced, but by using the search function I hope to resolve most of them.  I will post future problems/questions under appropriate headings.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carol on November 04, 2016, 08:27:21 am
Welcome, Swiftboot.  And don't be shy with your questions.  :)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Gail Staton on November 04, 2016, 09:11:10 am
Welcome Swiftboot.

How nice you found a newer used PC.  We did too.   Ask away, as you already know, many members are eager to share their knowledge and help solve problems.

Gail


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on November 04, 2016, 12:48:37 pm
Welcome Swiftboot.

How nice you found a newer used PC.  We did too.   Ask away, as you already know, many members are eager to share their knowledge and help solve problems.

Gail
Ditto From Me Too!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: swiftboot on November 05, 2016, 07:34:00 am
Thank you for your kind welcome.  I feel like I know many of you since reading so many posts on this forum.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 2 Frazzled on November 05, 2016, 11:19:01 am
I feel like I know many of you since reading so many posts on this forum.
Yeah, I always kind of worry about that. You know, the startled look then "OH, YOU'RE 2 Frazzled"...

WELCOME!!   meetya


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: gradygal on November 05, 2016, 01:51:17 pm
Swiftboot

Welcome. Any questions, please ask! Another PC in FL.  :)(:

Judi and George


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Cat House on November 07, 2016, 09:00:55 pm
Welcome Swiftboot.  We are also new-to-us proud Phoenix Cruiser owners.  This weekend will be our first outing since driving the Cat House from Elkhart to lower Alabama. We are heading to Spirit of Suwanee Music Park Thursday - Sunday. 


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Bill G on November 17, 2016, 08:18:57 pm
Welcome swiftboat, we are newbies also. Ordered our 2552 with dinette slide a week ago. Now the wait.  :-[ There are members who have been most helpful on my learning curve, don't hesitate to ask. Guess we'll have to settle looking at the maps and planning our first road trip over the winter.

My Best,

Bill and Karen


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Tjron47 on December 18, 2016, 07:23:00 pm
Hi all, Finally got approved for the Forum.  Have been lurking as guest for the last few months.   We are owners of a 2005 40 Country coach Inspire and are thinking of downsizing in the next year or so.  Have talked to Earl last spring and liked what he said about the Phoenix Cruiser. Unfortunately we haven't seen one (2551 or larger) as yet in the flesh so to speak.
We travel with our 2 Bichons in the Summer (Get out of the Heat of Yuma).  Anybody near yuma?  Or will PC be at quartzsite this year?
Anyway as time goes on will probably have many questions.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: jt on December 18, 2016, 08:54:16 pm
We are going to be at Yuma Lakes RV resort January 18-25. We have a 2014 2350 with no slide but would be happy to show it off if it isn't too far below your interest level.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Tjron47 on December 19, 2016, 10:05:12 am
I have learned nothing is below or above interest.  ;)  Wife is against bed in a corner so thats why a 2551 or larger with twin beds is desired.  I think we may be in quartzite at that time but will keep it in mind.  Will be in touch later.  Thanks for the offer.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: sailors35 on December 19, 2016, 10:37:43 am
Thank you for allowing us to join your group.  We are long-time (nearly 30 years) cruising sailboaters who spent much of our time in Eastern Caribbean, Bahamas and Florida.  We recently sold our boat and are now actively searching for a B+ rv and the PC is high on our list.  Back in the late 70's we owned a Mobile Traveler rv.  Obviously much has changed since then and we hope to utilize the experience and knowledge of the group to aid in our quest.

Mike and Lynn Ratliff
Fort Myers Beach, FL


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Bruce and Sharon on December 19, 2016, 10:50:09 am
Hello Tjron47,

Welcome to the Forum.

We will be in Palm Desert, CA during January to April and would be happy to show you our 2014 2552 there if you have the time to make the trip over then.

We were in a similar situation to you when we sold our 2004 36' Beaver Monterey that we enjoyed for ten years.  We have no regrets for switching to our Phoenix Cruiser.

Best wishes,
Bruce and Sharon


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Barry-Sue on December 19, 2016, 11:12:22 am
Mike and Lynn

Welcome to the group.  We will be in Fort Myers Beach at the Red Coconut from 3/1 to 3/21 on the beach side.  If you are in the area and interested in seeing a 2551--stop over.  There usually are 2 or 3 PCs in the campground during March.  Or if you are near WP Franklin or Koreshan State Park we will be there.  Send us an email.

Barry and Sue


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: nccampguy on December 19, 2016, 01:04:48 pm
Howdy,

I just joined the forum!  I've owned (3) Lazy Daze and (1) Born Free Class C RVs.  Back then it was about taking short weekend trips to smaller campgrounds with our son.  When we started taking "longer' two week summer trips we decided to take a tow car with us.  The next phase is going to be retirement traveling to see places and friends.  Trips will be most likely from 1- 4 weeks away from our main base.

So, having owned quality Class C's in the past, having no desire to crawl up into a cab-over, wanting something that can tow a 4,500 pound Ford Edge and large enough to be comfortable when camping yet fairly easy to drive .... we are looking at B+ coaches from PC and a few other SOB manufacturers.

So far, I think I'm liking the 3100.  We had dinettes in our Class Cs.  We also want fixed beds.  Plus, we want places to lounge other than the dinette or the beds.

Any thoughts or suggestions from 3100 owners or anyone else with similar goals would be appreciated!

NCCAMPGUY


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TheLuvShack on December 19, 2016, 05:04:27 pm
I hope I'm not hijacking the original thread. I'm a new owner of a used 2012 3100. Here are my thoughts. 3100 was right for us. Check the bed length on all floor plans. We wanted twin beds long enough to stretch out. We love the dinette. The power love seat with foot rests is comfortable for us. One slide is fine but maybe opposing slides would be better. I just don't have the answer to that question yet. We have a power passenger seat which my wife loves. Downside is a power seat does not swivel. Not an issue for us. 31' limits your turning radius but if you are aware of this you can plan around it. We tow a Buick Enclave which adds to this issue. Quality is excellent. We bought used from a PC owner that had corrected any issues before we bought it. There were not many issues at delivery. PC supports second owners. I broke a storage door catch and contacted Carol at PC. A new color matching catch was sent to me at no cost. I don't think you can go wrong with a PC.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: mcdwmurray on January 06, 2017, 04:24:26 am
We have are in route to Elkhart to purchase our first Phoenix Cruiser. It has been very helpful to read most of the post on this site and gain valuable information. We look forward to more interaction and meeting people along the way.

We currently live in Southeastern Virginia and are hoping to be on the road again as soon as they build our coach.


Dennis And Candy Murray


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 2 Frazzled on January 06, 2017, 10:07:01 am
Awesome! You are going to love your factory visit AND your Phoenix once she's built. Enjoy your trip and don't hesitate to ask for help on the forum. The people here have always been fantastic in their response time and help. I'm sure my idiot questions are still on the site somewhere but everyone was very patient and helpful with me as I'm sure they will be with you, so don't hesitate to ask.

The online videos that Earl and Kyle put on the Phoenix Site are also great.

The wait from order time to pick up is excruciating but we all lived through it and had an awesome time equipping our rigs. The weather should be better by the time yours is built so you should be ready to go. Enjoy the adventures!




Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: CKK on January 12, 2017, 01:46:13 pm
Okay, here goes... first post.  I am contemplating a major life change from owning a farm and running a horse business to selling it all and rv'ing full time, at least for awhile.  I am a bit of a 'motorhead' for a woman, have dragged huge LQs horse trailers and horses coast to coast alone for years, am a freak about taking good care of equipment, and am fairly handy.

I am about a year into my research and have narrowed my choices down to the brands that seem to have the best quality control and consumer satisfaction... Coach House, Nexus, Born Free, PC, and Jayco (some negative reviews but love their new 30x floorplan and 2-yr warranty). 

I have read countless hours on many owners forums.  And being a somewhat skeptical type, I find this one to be, well frankly, remarkable.  Is it really possible that nearly all comments are positive and the company provides this kind of quality control and after sale service?  I'm not suggesting that negative comments are scrubbed, I just find it curious.  Very refreshing, but curious ;-)

I am going through all the normal questions, concerns and confusion about options, etc.  Terrified that I will miss my big house and space, I initially thought I needed a huge Class C as a minimum, but am now considering a well thought out small C or maybe B+.  And I'm ashamed to admit I haven't even driven one yet, but I am thoroughly researching wheelbase, driveability, etc and am not too worried about that until I settle on a brand or two.

My main quandry remains whether to purchase new or used.  I know prevailing wisdom says to never buy new (especially a first) and to buy a good quality used one with all the bugs worked out and initial depreciation gone.  BUT!  I am torn because I don't want any mechanical problems or surprises the first year and unexpected costs.  Also, I am very particular about the layout to fit my needs, and it is unlikely I could find one used that was set up right. I would of course love to find one that had been lightly used and well maintained (but then there's my skepticism about how people generally maintain things).

One of the major draws to the PC is that it appears they will try to modify the interior, which is huge for me.  And all of the problems that seem to prevail with horrible dealerships.  Though warranty work is a bit of a concern with direct buy. 

The other issue is 'toad' or 'no toad'.  The reason I would do this is to explore a lot of the country, and I love hiking and federal parks, thus the reconsideration of something smaller and less limiting.  I've trailered for years and don't mind it at all, but I could always back up!  Frankly, the thought of not being able to back up is disconcerting, and I don't know how you all manage it.  Pretty sure initially I would try no toad and just bike.

I have enjoyed reading many of your posts, and as everyone says, it is invaluable information.  Hopefully, I will be able to be helpful on occasion if I join your ranks as a PC owner. 

I would be interested in any comments regarding my new vs used quandry and also about the full-timing aspect (have been following rv-dreams site).  I don't see much discussion on here about that so I assume most are truly recreational users?  Many companies don't want to hear about and won't warranty a coach used that way... and I have yet to discuss that with PC. 

I will be attending the Tampa RV show next week which should be enlightening.  Thanks and hope to hear from some of you.  Sorry for the long post. 


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Polish Prince on January 12, 2017, 02:07:23 pm
I can't really comment on the new vs used, we bought new because we had specific layout items we wanted included.  I would recommend renting a couple different units to see how the "standard" layouts work for you and the space.  We rented, as Jill would say, "a bucket of bolts", but it was the length we wanted to ultimately buy.  We wanted to test out the space and make certain that we could function in a 25' motorhome.  Worked for us and showed us many things that we wanted to change.  Sorry, but for us, the shows weren't as much help.  We need to live in the space to really see how it worked.

Good luck with the search and enjoy the process.  The process can be fun.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carol on January 12, 2017, 02:49:04 pm
Hi & Welcome, CKK,
I full-time solo (with dog and without toad) in my 2351, bought new in mid-2014.  Rather than leave a long reply in the forum addressing some of your questions and points, feel free to message me via the forum and we can either talk via email or phone, whichever you are more comfortable with.
 :-D
Carol


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on January 12, 2017, 06:24:50 pm
Hi CKK,

Welcome to the PC forum!

To address your question about Phoenix USA and the quality of their motor homes.

The company really does stand behind it's products, more than you could imagine.  Of coarse there are limits as to what they will do for the owners of it's products, but it is far better than any other manufacture I know of.  New or well used, the company is extremely helpful to resolve any questions and issues you might have.  If the solution involves replacement parts under their own control, they seem to charge you only what it costs them.  I have not seen them mark up anything.

I recall someone buying an old PC (maybe a 2003) with structural issues that resulted from an accident.  They did not know it at the time they purchased it.  They called Phoenix who had them bring it in and during their slow period (back then Phoenix had a slow period just before the holidays) they rebuilt the problem area to be like new again, done at a very reasonable cost.  Another repair center like Camping World for example would have charged 4 to 6 times that amount.

My wife Irene and I ordered our PC nearly 10 years ago and the factory still treats us well with great customer service.  Fortunately our need for customer service has been quite minimal which reflects the quality put into our PC.  We do keep our PC garage-kept which does help.  I usually contact Phoenix for parts of one kind or another to support a change I want to make in our PC.

Phoenix USA is owned by Kermit Fisher.  He sets the way business is done there and everyone employed there is on-board with him.  There are a few other small privately owned motor home manufactures with similar business practices but they are a little to a lot more pricey and less flexible with customer special-requests.

About warranty work.  I hope more recent new-purchase PC owners will provide first-hand experience.  But it works like this.  If you live too far away from Phoenix, they have you take your PC to a local RV repair shop and Phoenix covers the bill.

About a tow vehicle.  If you are buying a longer PC, I think you would eventually want a tow vehicle to get around the places you described.  We own a short 2350 but we tow a 4x4 because there are too many primitive roads we like to travel on for day excursions which are not motorhome friendly.  Like you, I was disappointed to learn about the no-backing-up restriction.  But like everyone else who tows another vehicle on the street, we learned to deal with it.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: CKK on January 12, 2017, 07:05:21 pm
Thanks Polish Prince, Carol, and Ron.  Everything about PC service has sounded great, so being a little bit long in the tooth myself, my last concern is ownership changes (which I know can happen to any company and is beyond my control).  How old is Kermit???


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on January 12, 2017, 09:22:02 pm
CKK asks an interesting question.....how long will Kermit control Phoenix.  I have no idea.

But I am not concerned about it.  We bought THIS (https://www.flickr.com/photos/37432012@N08/albums/72157621472936441) Toyota/Mirage motor home brand new in 1983.  Mirage went out of business 3 years later.  We owned that rig for 24 years, 21 years after they went out of business.

Most of what could go wrong with a motor home is subcontracted stuff like windows, appliances, seats, and such.  The only concern would be if something structural went wrong.  But then how many RV manufactures would resolve a structural issue on one of their older used units?  Things like the sanicon for example, Phoenix uses off-the-shelf components to build it.  If I need a switch or valve or whatever, my first place to look for such a component would be on ebay.....after a call to Phoenix.

When my sanicon macerator went out, I did a little shopping and found a low cost replacement as outlined HERE (http://www.phoenixusarv.com/community/index.php/topic,2086.0.html).  My point here is that you really won't "need" Phoenix.  They are just dang handy and often affordable.  And once in a great while it has been nice to pick Kermit's brain on a few modifications I have considered and then implemented.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 2 Frazzled on January 13, 2017, 07:37:15 am
Hi CKK - WELCOME!!

We did the same as Polish Prince and rented a "bucket of bolts" for two weeks to see if we could live in the space (no problem) and to figure out what modifications we wanted when we ordered a rig. It was incredibly helpful for us as people that had never used an RV.

We are lifetime campers, Boy Scout Leaders for 18 years, hikers, backpackers, rafters and so on. Our "big" tent was a 7x7 Coleman dome. Our Phoenix was a HUGE step up and we never want to go back on any regular basis. We full timed for a year and a half in our 2552 and it's perfect for us. We tow a standard shift, AWD Subaru Forester and have bikes on a SwingDaddy rack on the back of that. We do carry extra gear in the Subaru and the car top carrier but most people don't need backpacks and backpack gear, winter clothes and river clothes and grandchild clothes and a full office set up and so on. We worked half time from the road for the first year out. If we did normal a little better, we wouldn't need all that and are actually cutting some of it back now. We are temporarily stuck in Maryland and are selling off everything from our stick and brick house because we are so happy with our new life, we don't plan to settle down until we can't RV anymore.

I also spent years reading, researching and dreaming and thought this forum couldn't be true and that Ron had to be a paid company shill - I mean, seriously, who is that enthusiastic about their rig? Well, Ron is, and now I am and many others that we have met in person. Phoenix pretty much leaves this forum alone. I have seen one posting pulled. It was a negative posting on a Sales Rep that had left. While I agreed with the sentiment, if I was in charge of the forum I would have pulled it also to avoid a potential slander lawsuit. There are some things you can't leave online for legal reasons. I can't guarantee they haven't pulled other posts but if they were cutting all the bad comments, they would have taken down some of mine on the problems we had the first year. We had a lot of problems but it was a weird Bermuda Triangle deal where quite a few defective components merged into one motor home - ours. I should say that this is my standard run of luck. The only Phoenix problem was our leaky slide and even that was more a design issue on a new style they were using and not their install. Phoenix bent over backwards and went above and beyond to fix it for us. They also stood behind us for all the repairs that were under other manufacturer's warranties. This is also why we purchased new. We didn't have your background on towing and trailers and portable living space and we are seriously not fix-it people so we wanted full warranty on everything to get us past the clueless newbie status (it took us a while but we made it... mostly). Kyle will occasionally pop onto the forum if we ask for his input and Amy, the webmistress keeps an eye on it but doesn't interfere. It's not Kermit's thing.

I had the same concerns about Kermit's longevity when we ordered the rig. I figure he might be old enough to hit Social Security but definitely isn't in geezer mode. I worried over the small business aspect and finally decided there are no guarantees in life. Big RV manufacturers went belly up some years back. Dealers went under. Solid companies ceased to exist. Little Phoenix survived and eventually thrived. I have come to realize that when Kermit is not available, others in the company have the same dedication to taking care of the owners. I don't know if they have a formally designated "heir" but they have several other people there that manage operations and keep things running on an even keel.

Phoenix knew we were going full time when we bought the rig and had no concern about warranties. Due to my Bermuda Triangle luck, I can attest to the fact that they stand behind their product 100%. Our full time status was never an issue. And as an extra feather in their cap, our stupid questions were never an issue either. The forum usually took care of us on that but I did hit Kermit and Bobby with a few goodies and they treated me like I had a brain and didn't just ask something that dumb.

If you want to correspond or talk directly, send a personal message and I'll get you my contact info.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Bruce and Sharon on January 13, 2017, 05:04:48 pm
Hi CKK,
We’re another pair of RVers that love our PC and have nothing but good things to say about the Phoenix quality of product and service that we have experienced since we purchased new in 2013.

We have owned several other RVs purchased new over the years and each of them seemed to have some failure every year that required some dealership repair work.  Since we live so far from the factory, we were at first concerned about the availability to get needed service easily.

So far that has not been a problem.  The only time we needed a repair that we couldn’t do ourselves happened on our first trip while traveling on the central coast of California (a macerator issue).  Our call to the factory got us connected directly to Kermit who understood the problem immediately and directed us to a nearby RV dealership that fixed the problem the next day so that we could continue on our trip.

The only other issues we’ve had were with components with individual warranties from their manufacturer (rear view camera & DVD player).  In both of those cases Kermit sent replacement units for us to install rather than us dealing with warranty claims with the manufacturers—outstanding service in our minds.

We almost always travel with our tow car behind us.  Makes it so much easier for us to leave the RV in the campground for many other local trips in the area (including restaurants, grocery stores, sightseeing, hiking, etc.) rather than disconnecting the RV (electric, water, etc.) and then reconnecting again upon return.  Also, the length and turning radius of our 2552 makes it a bit difficult to maneuver and park in congested areas.

Inability to back up while towing was a concern of ours when we first started doing that about 15 years ago, but we quickly learned how to avoid the need for it in most cases.  Only four times during that time did we get into a situation that we had to disconnect the tow car, move to a different location, then reconnect the car.  That procedure can be done fairly quickly if one has a good tow bar, etc.

Best wishes and happy traveling to you regardless of your choice of motorhome.

--Bruce and Sharon


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: jatrax on January 14, 2017, 12:46:01 pm
I think others have covered your questions well but I'll chime in on these two.
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And being a somewhat skeptical type, I find this one to be, well frankly, remarkable.  Is it really possible that nearly all comments are positive and the company provides this kind of quality control and after sale service?  I'm not suggesting that negative comments are scrubbed, I just find it curious.  Very refreshing, but curious ;-)
When I was deciding I also did a lot of research, mostly looking for negative comments.  And for most brands there is a long list.  But after an exhaustive search I found one complaint for Phoenix.  And that from a person who to be polite can only be described as having some personal issues.  And I don't think this forum is scrubbed, since I spent most of my research time elsewhere not really trusting manufacturer hosted forums.  So yes, they do care and they will do their level best to keep customers happy.  That is partly because they are a small business and you can actually call up and talk to the owner.  I owned my own business for 30 years and when your name is on the building it is a lot different than just a job.  The company's reputation is also your personal reputation.
The other thing to consider is that while Phoenix is going to warranty their work, most of the things that go wrong in an RV are not Phoenix items but rather will be warranted by the manufacturer.  The truck is Ford, the furnace is Dometic, the refrigerator is Norcold and so on.  Phoenix seems to go above and beyond to help but ultimately if the furnace goes under warranty that is covered by the manufacturer.  RV builders are mostly assemblers of parts after you get beyond the frame design.  And that is one place Phoenix wins big, they have a very good frame and shell design.  As long as that stays sounds everything else is just parts.

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One of the major draws to the PC is that it appears they will try to modify the interior, which is huge for me.  And all of the problems that seem to prevail with horrible dealerships.  Though warranty work is a bit of a concern with direct buy.  
That was in fact the thing that drew them to my attention initially.  We looked at a number of brands at several shows and being able to customize our rig to fit our needs was a major factor in our decision.  Our coach is still on the line, but I'm getting pictures from Kyle and things look good.  It will be unique and Earl and Kermit were very willing to work with us to make the way we wanted.  Within limits of course:)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: catsaplenty on February 04, 2017, 04:04:34 pm
I think we may be about to test whether this forum is scrubbed.  I have been cheering for PC and having such hope but I now feel snookered.  i also wonder about another theory about why this forum is always positive - did those who had a negative experience just not stay with the forum or get to?  I will create my post separately.  But having encouraged some here I must now temper that support.  We will see if I get to stay posted and on the forum


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 2 Frazzled on February 05, 2017, 08:12:59 am
I guarantee you won't get scrubbed for just expressing dissatisfaction or problems. You can check my posts for issues we had - which Phoenix took care of. If you get nasty, you'll probably get scrubbed. If I respond to you in a nasty way and disrespect you or call you names, they would scrub me and probably pitch me off the forum. Those are the rules that we abide by. Those are the rules that every forum I've seen abides by.

Be honest, be fair, be considerate. For those of us that already have our Phoenix, I'll add be helpful. Others helped us and we try to help others. I've only seen a few instances in the last two years where people have not followed those guidelines. I've met many of the people you see posting on this forum and I hope to meet many more. I've met many of the people that work at Phoenix. They have all been awesome people. I hope your issues are resolved and you come to love your Phoenix like we do. I look forward to your happy postings in the future. I'm certain there will be some.



Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: catsaplenty on February 05, 2017, 04:07:28 pm
2Frazzled - I sincerely hope so too!.  I worked on this for almost 3 years now - to have my new life.  As I said elsewhere - the PC absolutely felt like the RV i HAD to have.  The one that I felt right in and would handle me and the animals.  I want this to be OK and to find that all my hopes come true with this.

I have appreciated help from you and others as I put together my build and I hope to meet many of you out on the road. 


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Gail43 on February 13, 2017, 01:55:38 pm
Hi,
We are Joe and Gail Stone and own a 2012 2350PC on a 3500 Sprinter Chassis.  We are new to motor homes, but have had a 5th wheel since 2000.  There is much we don't know.  Our PC came without a spare time and rim and we want to know where to buy one that will work with our PC. Also we are planning a 3 month trip from New York to California and back and would like to know how people avoid tornadoes in the south.  How do you know how far north or south to drive to avoid them.
Thanks for any help you can give us.
Gail


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: donc13 on February 13, 2017, 10:08:08 pm
Welcome.  I doubt that you can avoid tornado weather by going north or south as we've seen them all through the midwest and deep south.  I can however give you some ideas on how to  recognize and steer clear of them.  That is the beauty of travelling by motorhome.  You can wait it out, go another direction or turn around.  None of this information is 100% , just general info.  Most tornadoes are East of the Rockies.  Here in Colorado, they are usually in the afternoon and get later in the day as you move East.  They happen when a cold front hits warm air making for unstable conditions.  To me, the sky turns a spooky, olive green (BTW  hail  also happens when you see turquoise skies).   The best suggestion is to carry  a portable weather radio.  As I am not used to overnight storms, I find comfort that we will be awakened if storms threaten while we are sleeping.  Ours is rechargable but also has a battery back-up.  There are also lots of weather apps for your phone.  May and June seem to be the  storm-prone season around here.  I really wouldn't worry too much as long as you pay attention to your surroundings.   I think we have a wonderful family here at P.C.  I hope you enjoy your P.C. as much as we do!   Patti




Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Gail43 on February 13, 2017, 10:12:31 pm
Thank you for your useful information.
Gail


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Two Hams in a Can on February 13, 2017, 10:36:27 pm
Welcome Joe and Gail!  We just bought our 2012 PC 2400 Sprinter in Dec 2016, so we have much i common as for our PC's.  We lived in North Texas for a bunch of years, so we know tornadoes.  Just recognize the time of year that usually breeds storms. . .in the "Tornado Alley" states that's March-June.  You just need to be aware of weather conditions where you are heading for a stop over.  If you are caught in a campground during a weather alert that might involve high winds or tornadoes, know where a concrete building is (bath house; ranger station; camp store).  I'm 73 years old and a former RV full timer and we have never had to dig out from a tornado.  I think we went to a safe shelter like the ones mentioned above maybe twice in all our years in an RV.  We once tracked a tornado warning storm on our laptop while we were in North Central Illinois, but even though the TV said it was in Kane County, Kane County extends 1/4 of the way down the state.  Just read up on how to make educated decisions when crossing the affected states.  Heck, your chances of have a tornado problem are probably no different than us having a blizzard,whiteout problem if we traveled from our home near Chicago to upstate New York.  Just read up, sit back and enjoy the ride.  See ya on the road.   :)(:


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 2 Frazzled on February 14, 2017, 08:13:05 am
Hi Joe and Gail! I agree on the weather radio and recommend a physical, Rand McNally type atlas be tucked somewhere on board also. We were nearly hit by a tornado when traveling the Natchez Trace a few years back. We were in a campground with no signal. We heard about the bad weather rolling in by accident while visiting a National Park - the volunteer at the desk was chatting with us and told us it was coming. We returned to our rig and dug out that weather radio. It went nuts that night with alerts of tornado sightings all over, like in Transylvania County... but we didn't know the area so we couldn't tell how close that was until we pulled out that map book (where the heck is Transylvania County? - next state over, but close enough). We were hunting counties and townships and cities and towns to see where the sightings were when the radio blipped and specifically named our campground as the expected site of touch down... whoopsy. We ran through the campground notifying fellow campers, packed the cat and hunkered down in the concrete block toilets. We were lucky, the tornado touched down about a mile away. While I am sure that block house was more secure than our Phoenix, the huge plastic skylight that made up most of the ceiling caused a bit of concern and we kept a close eye on it while the storm raged around us.

We have since used alerts on our phones and the radio when we are away from cell towers. There is no guarantee the radio will get signal but they have decent coverage for the alerts. It might help to read up on how to lock into a signal and practice before you have to actually use the radio in an emergency. We were learning as we went along. Thankfully the tornado waited until we figured it out.

After saying all of that, tornadoes can occur and touch down just about anywhere. They can decimate one house and not touch the one next to it. You cannot accurately predict. But you can prepare. The main difference between between being on the road and being at home is you are not familiar with the area and weather patterns so read up first and carry a physical map book.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Gail43 on February 15, 2017, 10:23:53 am
Thank you.  We will now add our atlas and learn how to use our weather radio before we take off.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Gail43 on February 15, 2017, 10:29:51 am
Hi Helpful PC owners,
Our 2012 2350 PC on Sprinter chassis did not come with a spare tire.  We need to buy one.  We don't know what brand to buy and whether the one that comes from the factory is the same as the 6 rims on the wheels or is not as pretty.  We don't know where to buy one that would match the rest of the wheels, if that is what we need to do.  Thanks for any hints.
Joe and Gail


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on February 15, 2017, 02:00:10 pm
Hi Gail and Joe (Gail43),

Welcome to the PC family of owners!

Regarding your Sprinter spare tire.

The spare tire is "optional" at the time the RV manufacture purchases the chassis from Ford or Mercedes.  Your PC might have had a spare tire when purchased brand new, or the spare might not have ever existed.  Phoenix will not have extra spare tires & wheels for purchase, but it never hurts to ask them anyways.  You will need to buy one direct from Mercedes, or second hand from places like junkyards, Ebay, Craigslist and even RV forums.  You might also try an internet store like Tire Rack.  The spare tire is a real tire and wheel, identical to the other six on your PC.  It is not a temporary spare as is common with typical vehicles.  The wheels are mounted in either direction depending on whether you are mounting it on the front axle or in either position on the rear axle.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Gail43 on February 15, 2017, 04:48:39 pm
Thank you, Ron, so much for your helpful information.  I'll start looking for a used one first.
Gail


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Two Hams in a Can on February 15, 2017, 06:17:40 pm
There was no spare in our 2012 PC2400 Sprinter either, and no marking like the had ever been one.  We have chosen to rely on our TPMS to monitor slow leaking tire issues, with an aerosol tire repair kit to help limp to a repair facility in case of a puncture.  In case of a catastrophic tire failure, we'll have our emergency road service bring a tire with them, which we have done when we owned our Airstream trailer.

We are using the spare tire compartment to store a 50ft water hose to compliment our usual 25ft one when needed.  We also have our unused and sanitary bagged 3" sewer hose in there in case of macerator failure.  It's a good place to store those "not-often-used" items.  But, that's our choice.  :)(:


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on February 15, 2017, 07:11:09 pm
Thank you, Ron, so much for your helpful information.  I'll start looking for a used one first.
Gail
:)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on February 15, 2017, 08:09:43 pm
If you own a 2011 or 2012 PC Sprinter, it could be built on a 2010 Sprinter chassis.  If that be your situation, you might lack the spare because of how Phoenix bought those Sprinters at a bankruptcy auction.  Maybe some lacked a spare tire.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Two Hams in a Can on February 15, 2017, 08:17:46 pm
If you own a 2011 or 2012 PC Sprinter, it could be built on a 2010 Sprinter chassis.  If that be your situation, you might lack the spare because of how Phoenix bought those Sprinters at a bankruptcy auction.  Maybe some lacked a spare tire.

Our chassis is 2011 vintage.  And, maybe we should move this conversation out of the "Introduce Yourself" thread and into the General Discussion or Tips and Tricks. . .just sayin".   (WH)


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Wayne Prince on March 31, 2017, 05:09:03 pm
Welcome to Phoenix USA RV's Discussion Board. We think you'll find this is a nice place to hang out. Why don't you start off with a little introduction and tell us a bit about yourself?
  Long time class A owners, the wife and I have acquired an old 2005 Phoenix Cruiser 2350 on the  Ford E-450 diesel chassis to use for short trips with 1-2 nights in it.    Bought it with disclosed electrical problem(s) (blowing fuses)in the coach section, but no problem whatsoever with chassis electric.  The unit has 33000 miles on it and the 4000w genset has 149 hours.  Discovered right away that the battery was not a true deep cycle, so replaced it with a new Interstate deep cycle.  Replaced a couple blown fuses, left in the "use" position overnight and next morning the new battery was dead.  Charged it and took it to a nearby  rv repair facility.    There, they ran tests and found a 2.3 amp constant drain, but were unable to pinpoint the cause.   I called Phoenix Cruiser and spoke with Kermit about it and asked if he could send me a wiring schematic or pictorial to which he said there was nothing he could send.   He thought perhaps it was the battery use/store switch, so I ordered one through the parts dept.  It soon arrived, I swapped out the old, and no difference - battery dead the following morning.  Returned to RV shop and they switched a wire on or near the fuse block to the opposite side and this changed things:  the battery still gets drained overnight if left in the "use" position, but not drained if put in the store position.  I might point out that when plugged into a 30 amp AC receptacle the battery works fine as well as all else.   I'm concerned about this 2.3 amp constant drain.  Can anyone offer any ideas as to what could be causing this?


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carol on March 31, 2017, 08:33:25 pm
Welcome, Wayne Prince.  Sorry I don't have any insight into your electrical/battery problems.  Hopefully someone here will have something concrete to contribute.  Meanwhile, I just wanted to say,  :-D W e l  :) c o m e  :)(:


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: donc13 on March 31, 2017, 09:20:09 pm
Welcome to Phoenix USA RV's Discussion Board. We think you'll find this is a nice place to hang out. Why don't you start off with a little introduction and tell us a bit about yourself?
  Long time class A owners, the wife and I have acquired an old 2005 Phoenix Cruiser 2350 on the  Ford E-450 diesel chassis to use for short trips with 1-2 nights in it.    Bought it with disclosed electrical problem(s) (blowing fuses)in the coach section, but no problem whatsoever with chassis electric.  The unit has 33000 miles on it and the 4000w genset has 149 hours.  Discovered right away that the battery was not a true deep cycle, so replaced it with a new Interstate deep cycle.  Replaced a couple blown fuses, left in the "use" position overnight and next morning the new battery was dead.  Charged it and took it to a nearby  rv repair facility.    There, they ran tests and found a 2.3 amp constant drain, but were unable to pinpoint the cause.   I called Phoenix Cruiser and spoke with Kermit about it and asked if he could send me a wiring schematic or pictorial to which he said there was nothing he could send.   He thought perhaps it was the battery use/store switch, so I ordered one through the parts dept.  It soon arrived, I swapped out the old, and no difference - battery dead the following morning.  Returned to RV shop and they switched a wire on or near the fuse block to the opposite side and this changed things:  the battery still gets drained overnight if left in the "use" position, but not drained if put in the store position.  I might point out that when plugged into a 30 amp AC receptacle the battery works fine as well as all else.   I'm concerned about this 2.3 amp constant drain.  Can anyone offer any ideas as to what could be causing this?

The best way to troubleshoot this is to put an amp meter in line with the battery... Turn on the master switch and pull the chassis fuses (and then replace before you pull the next fuse) one at a time.  Have someone watch the amp meter... When you hit the correct circuit... The draw will drop to zero.

Now that you have identified the circuit that is causing the draw, check each item attached to that circuit.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on April 01, 2017, 12:52:00 am
Being a "used" PC, I wonder if a previous owner wired an inverter into the rig somewhere, and it may be running things at 110 volts, things you don't realize are on.  Some inverters all by themselves with nothing running can draw a lot of current.

Also check around the rig inside and out like an outdoor storage compartment for example.  You might have lights left on.  We have a light in our Sanicon area that can easily get over-looked, but yours being a 2005, you don't have a Sanicon, hence no light.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: jatrax on April 02, 2017, 02:20:09 pm
As already noted the best way to troubleshoot this is to isolate one circuit at a time and see what is drawing.

One item to look at is your tank heaters if equipped.  I left mine on by accident, twice, and nearly drained the battery.   There is no indicator light on these so they can be left on by accident quite easily.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on April 02, 2017, 03:36:38 pm
One item to look at is your tank heaters if equipped.  I left mine on by accident, twice, and nearly drained the battery.   There is no indicator light on these so they can be left on by accident quite easily.
That's a great point jatrax, something serious to check for.  I knew there was a big popular cause for battery drain but it just didn't float to the surface in my head when replying.  Lights are secondary causes.  Those tank heaters are primary.

Thanks jatrax for bringing up that possibility for the new owners Wayne to check for.  Hopefully his solution is that easy to resolve....turn off the tank heaters.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: jatrax on April 04, 2017, 12:12:59 am
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Hopefully his solution is that easy to resolve....turn off the tank heaters.
Was just looking at my switch today and again wondering why there is no indicator light.  I am going to add one but have not quite figured out how yet.  Might replace the switch with one that lights up.

Hope it is that simple for the OP. 


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: WillLloyd on April 11, 2017, 08:55:21 pm
My wife and I live in Virginia and recently purchased a used 2016 2910D in Texas.  We sold the last of our toy hauler trailers last year and wanted something we could travel in.  The toy haulers were more for my son and I (and friends) and our motorcycle rides.  My wife wasn't crazy about it.  We have been around campers for ever and realize most are junk on wheels.  i forget how we learned about PC but figured they were the best we could afford.  We read a lot on the web and 2Frazzled showed us their unit a couple of years ago in Maryland.  We've read a lot of useful information on these forums and thank everyone for their input.  Hopefully we can contribute.

Will and Joyce


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Barry-Sue on April 11, 2017, 09:25:49 pm
 (w)

Safe travels and enjoy the new rig!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: 2 Frazzled on April 12, 2017, 10:04:15 am
Welcome, Will and Joyce!! I'm glad to hear you found your way to a Phoenix. I'm sure you will both love it and enjoy many happy adventures together. I look forward to your future input and welcome your questions (we always have questions). The only long term problem we've found with the Phoenix is that we get depressed when we aren't out in her.  It's an addiction we are OK with. ENJOY!!!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on April 12, 2017, 12:22:59 pm
Welcome Will and Joyce Lloyd to the family of Phoenix Cruiser owners.  We are here to help (as best we can) with any questions you have.  Everyone has questions, and there are no stupid questions.

 (w)

With a 2910 series, please be sure to maintain 80 PSI in the 4 rear tires.  I understand the 2010 series requires max PSI in the rear "E" rated tires due to the weight on the rear axle.  I don't know how much air is required in the front tires.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: WillLloyd on April 12, 2017, 07:23:44 pm
Thanks for the tire pressure tip.  I have new valve stems laying here to replace the extensions so we can actually KEEP air in the tires....

Plan to have them installed when it goes in for an alignment.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: biglegmax on May 20, 2017, 11:33:58 pm
Hello everyone,

We just ordered a 2350 4x4 450 a couple months ago. We live in Oregon, my wife is retired, I'm still at it for awhile.
We enjoy back country camping, have owned several trailers over the years, still own at least 5 tents from wall tents to bivey sacks. Have camped off mountain bikes pulling trailers to owning a pack string of llamas. This is our first Motorhome. We spent at least a year looking for an ideal rig, and didn't find one! We will be making some major modifications to our 2350 once we get it.
I appreciate the forum and all it has to offer!

Doug


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Carol on May 21, 2017, 09:43:47 am
Llamas!  Wow!
Welcome.  It sounds like you have great expertise outside of the typical box.  Enjoy your preparations and we look forward to any questions and contributions!


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on May 21, 2017, 11:44:47 pm
Hello everyone,

We just ordered a 2350 4x4 450 a couple months ago. We live in Oregon, my wife is retired, I'm still at it for awhile.
We enjoy back country camping, have owned several trailers over the years, still own at least 5 tents from wall tents to bivey sacks. Have camped off mountain bikes pulling trailers to owning a pack string of llamas. This is our first Motorhome. We spent at least a year looking for an ideal rig, and didn't find one! We will be making some major modifications to our 2350 once we get it.
I appreciate the forum and all it has to offer!

Doug
Welcome Doug!

If you did not catch this one.....The factory does a lot of special requests, and done so affordably.  So if you have a lot of things to change, the factory may be able to take care of some of your list, done at the ideal time during the construction process.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Dave R on May 22, 2017, 09:34:54 am
We also bought a 2017 - 2351 4 X 4 and had many modifications done at he factory for minimal cost.  I second the suggestion that it would be cost effective and easier to have modifications done when built.
Everyone was great to work with but make sure you have any changes in writing and any parts you have to supply shipped to the factory in a timely manner. 

Enjoy the process,
Dave


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: biglegmax on May 22, 2017, 03:50:58 pm
Carol, Ron, and Dave,
Thanks for the suggestions.
We are having the factory do some changes, mostly deletes, and some adds that they are comfortable doing.
When I said major modifications I'm talking about getting a 60" wide(queen size) bed basically where the current one is now,
adding more batteries, and external storage. Thats probably talk for another part of this forum.
Good to meet you,
Doug


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: enewt1940 on May 31, 2017, 05:12:04 pm
  My name is Esther Newton, I live in Ann Arbor, Michigan for seven months of the year and North Fort Myers, FL for the winter. I have been RVing for about 15 years now and have had a variety of rigs, starting with a small Airstream trailer, going up to a 35 ft. class A, and back down again as my needs changed.  Last month I bought a PC, 2350 because a friend of mine (also on the forum) had bought one of the larger models and loved it.  She knows more about how things work than I do, and when I said I was thinking of getting a different small B+ she said no, get the PC.  It so happened that the dealer closest to my Florida home had one in stock.  I previously owned a diesel Via on a sprinter chassis that was the same length as the 2350, and loved many things about it but not having to go the Mercedes dealers (if they would service it), and the engine was finicky, always sending warning lights that were hard to interpret and potentially scary.  I've had several Ford 350 chassis, and they were reliable and simple, so I was glad to go back to that.

  Have only used the PC so far to drive up from Florida to Michigan, but so far so good (but see below).  My main use now is weekends, I have two miniature poodles that I compete with in the sport of dog agility, and I hate staying at motels at the show sites.  But my partner and I will be taking a short vacation to northern Michigan in July and somehow squeezing a large standard poodle in too. Wish us luck. That will be the shake down cruise.  After that I'll be going to Elkhart to get the macerator fixed -- for some reason it is not working.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TomHanlon on May 31, 2017, 05:34:36 pm
Welcome.

Call the factory about the macerated, they might be able to tell you what needs fixing. It might be something simple that you can do to fix it.

 It is always fun to see the factory.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Barry-Sue on May 31, 2017, 06:06:41 pm
Welcome Esther,

We live in Highland, MI not far from you.  We owned a 2350 and now a 2551.  You made a good choice going with a PC.  If we can help you with anything please do not hesitate to ask.

We camp a lot up North so maybe we'll see you on the road.  We camp at Fort Myers Beach during March and North Fort Myers during Jan and Feb.

Barry and Sue


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: MaggieM on June 29, 2017, 11:33:03 pm
Hello. Not sure I am doing this properly.

I have a 2350 plus one foot and am considering purchasing a 2100.

From the reading I have done it seems the 2100 is a little heavy in the rear. Is this a concern? I am not a mechanic. Is there something I can do to the frame or chassis or whatever to make things stronger, handle easier or whatever? I have no idea about mechanics and do not want to purchase something that is to short and tall and with an unequal weight distribution. Any comments or suggestions would be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on June 30, 2017, 08:10:13 am
Hi MaggieM,

What you own today is model 2351.  I personally love that model.  We have owned our 2350 for 10 years and love it, but a 2351 with all the benefits from the extra foot would make our 2350 better yet.

Now about your concerns with model 2100.  I have never driven one nor even walked through one.  But from what I have learned with our 2350 along with 2100 owner comments, the 2100 is going to be the worst handling (or should I say "the least favored") model of all Phoenix Cruisers.  It comes down to how the house weight and it's contents are distributed between the front and rear tires, and from your question and concerns, you seem to already understand that.

If I were buying a 2100, I think I would do what I had done with our 2007 2350, making the following suspension improvements, all specifically to address handling issues.

- installing a heavy duty rear stabilizer bar (our 2350 had no bar of any kind)
- replacing the stock front stabilizer bar with a heavy duty one
- replacing the shocks with heavy duty ones specifically for a motor home.
- adding a rear trac bar (this eliminates "Tail Wagging")
- replacing the stock steering stabilizer with a heavy duty one specifically for a motor home.

I did not implement my next suggestion into our 2350 but feel it properly addresses the issue with the rear end sagging.  I feel every 2100 would benefit from one or two extra leaf springs for each rear corner to lift the rear to the proper height.  If I increased the height of our 2350, I fear it would not fit in our garage, so we live with our slight rear end sag.  As for you, adding rear air bags as others have done will lift the rear end as well, but I feel increasing the stack of leaf springs is addressing the matter properly and most reliably.

For people who are not mechanically inclined, I also recommend going to the right shop to get the work done.  We took our 2350 to THIS (http://www.championframe.com/index_noflash.html) shop, shared to give you an idea of the type of shop I am suggesting.

Once everything is completed, I would then have a front wheel alignment with the rig loaded up with water, gear, food, even added weight to represent people and pets.  A wheel alignment is strongly influenced by the weight of the house and contents, and the distribution of their weight.  You want the rig to represent a typical trip weight (and weight distribution) during the alignment process.  The shop I suggested made a special modification to the front suspension to get it aligned properly.  They installed off-set bushings.  The topic of a front end alignment on a rig with poor weight distribution is it's own discussion.

I see it's your first post.  Welcome!
Ron Dittmer


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: RheaNL on June 30, 2017, 05:54:35 pm
    We have had our 2100 for almost 5 years and 25,000 miles. We have done all the things Ron listed and it made all the difference in handling.  We opted for the air bags over adding spring leafs.  We researched it and spoke with a couple different shops as well as a relative who lives in another state that is in the automotive business. Can't remember why we went the air bag route, but it was based on all the advice. It does make the ride a little rougher--you feel every pot hole, but did lift the rear about 2". We also put drag rollers on the trailer hitch so that when we did hit ground there was "protection" such as it is. When we look at them, they have been well used.
     Also, t this time we have disconnected the Sani-Con and use the BSH (big stinky hose) which stores along with a hose very nicely in the compartment on the side where I removed the Sani-Con hose. We still use the electric holding tank switches as well as the sprayer. Because the macerater hangs so low and, on the 2100, is so close to the bumper, it is always in peril. We camp in lots of national forest campgrounds and hazards are everywhere. I say "at this time" because we are heading to Alaska in a few weeks and did not want to take a chance on cracking another one when traveling in such wild country for so long. We will reassess when we return, but so far we have not found the BSH to be a hassle. Bonuses are that we now have one of the clear cuffs on the BSH so we know when the black tank is clear and both tanks empty and it eliminates the concern of something getting into a holding tank that will jam up/damage the macerater.
     That's my 2 cents worth. If you want to discuss more just private message me.................Nicki


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Wayne7 on July 08, 2017, 03:27:24 pm
Greetings from Northern Minnesota!

My wife, Karen, and I began looking at Class B's this spring after a wonderful trip to the Black Hills staying in B & B's (our first time).  We discovered how much we enjoy traveling and, with all four of our boys out of the "nest" (youngest is still in college), we are looking hard at going south for a couple of months during the winter.  We began our search looking at Class B's due to the ability to go anywhere, camp almost anywhere and be self-sufficient for short periods of time.  Though my wife did not grow up like I did being a "camper", she has an interest in seeing the country in relative comfort...with a bed, bathroom (toilet and shower), and kitchen.  Neither of us has any experience with RV's but, to date, we've looked at Winnebago (Paseo and Travato) and will be looking at PleasureWay, RoadTrek, and Leisure Travel Vans in the next week or so.  Though hoping to stay under 22 feet in length - so she will feel comfortable driving, too - we haven't come across a unit that appears to meet our perceived needs.  Then I came across PC being referenced in a forum and immediately checked it out.  I was intrigued and sent her a link.  Her response was immediate, "This is so perfect I could cry".  So, long story short, we're looking intently at PC and I spoke with Earl this past week.  We would like to see one in person and know that a trip to the factory may be necessary at some point.  If any of you live in the Duluth area - or might be passing through - please consider contacting us so we could meet and see your PC.

Briefly, we're looking at the smaller PC's - 2350, 2351 (with sofa/chair/bed)...either with or without a slide.  Not sure about new or used yet - so many unanswered questions until we can physically see one.

Thanks for any help or advice you might be able to share.

God Bless,
Wayne

P.S.  I've already read and learned so much on the forum...but I am truly impressed with the willingness each of you have to help one another.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Two Hams in a Can on July 08, 2017, 07:07:45 pm
Welcome Wayne7. . .She Who Must Be Obeyed (SWMBO) loves driving our 24 ft PC Sprinter.  We used to full time in a 40 ft Foretravel Class A and although she could drive it (she took a class), she was never comfortable at the wheel.  After getting off the full time road, we had a short time of ownership of a 17 ft Casita trailer pulled behind our Hyundai Santa Fe which was an easy drive.  After getting rid of the Casita, we found the wonderful world of Phoenix Cruisers, and the rest is history.  Since I did 97% of the driving in our 20 years of assorted RV ownership, she now does 98% of driving Fawkes, our 2012 PC2400 Sprinter.  We bought used so we could afford a diesel powered rig, the new ones being beyond our pension driven economy.  A trip to the factory is a good idea. . .we took the factory tour and saw how well Phoenix builds their RVs.  Good luck to you.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: ron.dittmer on July 08, 2017, 10:49:09 pm
Welcome Wayne and Karen,

Now the fun begins trying to determine what the perfect PC looks like in your driveway.  There are some used 2350s and a rare 2351 out there, but you will likely need to travel to buy it.  On the main Google search page, type in "Phoenix Cruiser 2350" which will list webpages of them.  Some web pages are "for sale" ads.  You might get lucky and find one for sale within reasonable driving distance from you.  Regardless of the color scheme and options, finding one for sale near by will be a good opportunity for you to walk through what you think is right for you.  Maybe the seller will allow you to test drive it too.

As far as what model year PC to consider, I would limit myself to one no older than a 2004 model year which has the integrated rear spare tire compartment like the new 2017s have.  Some early 2004s have a simple back wall which I feel is just too big of a compromise for structural integrity.

Mid year 2006, Phoenix added a second house battery for a total of 2 house batteries, and also added a whole house inverter.  I personally feel the two batteries for the house is "A Must" for a primitive camping lifestyle.

The 2008 Ford E350 and E450 chassis (The first year with dump truck front grill) is better mechanically than previous years but has the same style dash board as previous years.  The 2009 has the current-day dash board with improved accessory ports and a glove box.  Things kept getting better along the way so the general rule is....."The newer, The better" with regard to the chassis.  At the same time, I wouldn't worry about a 2006 or 2007 E350 PC2350 with 2 house batteries for they are not inferior, just not as capable with regard to the load they can carry.  The only matter is that they are finiky with regards to handling.  Our 2007 PC2350 built on a 2007 E350 chassis required suspension improvements for best handling which I had done and so it is better than an unmodified 2017 E350 PC2350.  So just understand that buying a 2006/2007 could require a few thousand extra dollars for a comfortable driving experience.  You can save a pile of money and make the improvements yourself which many RVers do.

Ron Dittmer


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Wayne7 on July 09, 2017, 12:51:27 am
Thank you, Jeff and Ron for the thoughtful replies.  My wife will be encouraged that Suzanne is not intimidated by driving a vehicle the length of the 2400.  I love to be the passenger on occasion so I would appreciate the "team" approach in driving.  BTW, my wife will appreciate that acronym, too!

Ron, your information on years and relevant feature changes is extremely helpful.  In my previous reading on this forum you have always provided detailed and well thought out replies - likely due to your engineering background.   I remember that you also mentioned you saw a Ford Transit chassis at the PC factory.  Do you know if they are considering this chassis for a future PC?  I was impressed with the Transit chassis and especially the Ecoboost engine during my test-drive of the Winnebago Paseo (and further research).  My sense is it might be a bit under-powered and undersized for a full-featured PC...even a shorter one.
 
We look forward to any additional information from other PC owners that would be a help as we continue the journey.

Thanks again,
Wayne


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: TomHanlon on July 09, 2017, 07:46:59 am
Hi Wayne and welcome. Did you see the 2351 that was posted yesterday under the "for sale by owner" on this forum? I don't think it will stay for sale very long. 


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Wayne7 on July 09, 2017, 10:26:39 am
Thanks, Tom.  And, yes, I've seen that posting...impressive.  Our #1 priority is to see a PC in person and learn a bit more about them (size, layout, features) before we contemplate a purchase.  Hopefully, we'll be able to see one in the very near future to decide if this is the right direction for us. 

BTW, we'll be in the MPLS/ST PAUL area later this week if any PC owner might be able to meet with us.  Earl will also be checking to see if there is a PC owner somewhat closer to us.

Thanks again for the continued help and encouragement!

God bless,
Wayne


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: jatrax on July 09, 2017, 01:03:25 pm
Hi Wayne, and Welcome!

We started our search in a very similar way to you.  Not much camping experience and had never actually been in an RV before.  We are both generally very methodical in our decision making and discuss needs and wants and make lists.  After going through the process it seemed clear a class 'B' under 22 foot was what we were looking for.  We narrowed it down to a Roadtrek or the Airstream van.  We visited both an Airstream and a Roadtrek dealer and within a few moments decided we had been wrong and a class 'B' was simply not going to work for us.  For weekend trips or just traveling in style they are great but to actually live out of for weeks on end, not going to work for us.

We next looked at Leisure Travel and they have some great coaches but the sprinter chassis really limits the size.  We next looked at a number of other coaches and ended up with Phoenix who were happy to work with us to put something together that will work for our lifestyle.

Might be difficult to see one without some travel, they are not all that common and dealers rarely have one.  A trip to the factory might be well worth the time.  We flew in and visited with them for a full day before purchasing and it was well worth the time and expense.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: RheaNL on July 09, 2017, 04:47:51 pm
Since the RV life is totally new to SWMBO and a some years in your past, perhaps you should consider renting for a few trips.  Being in Duluth may make it difficult, but you could fly in to another location and rent for a week.  If you search rental agencies, you will finds one other than GoRving which just rents a few basic sizes, all made by Thor and built for the abuse of the rental market. My husband was the doubter and we managed to rent RVs of different sizes, designs and manufacturers. You probably will not be able to rent a PC (unless you find one somewhere on a rent-from-owner site like VRBO), but you will get the feel for the RVing lifestyle. As much as those of us on this forum love it, RVing is not for everyone.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Janey on July 09, 2017, 09:33:19 pm
I agree with renting an rv before buying one. We flew into Tacoma and rented a 27 footer for three weeks.  Pricey, but well worth the learning experience. I realized that i didn't like anything that big.   Remember, this was after 30 + years of tent camping.  We spent a lot of our time on the road and when we camped most of our time was spent outside. It just seemed silly to drag around all that huge back area that we didn't use.  We bought a '95 Winnebago rialta, then a '05 rialta, then our PC. I'm really happy, but my husband wants a bigger bathroom and a bigger sleeping arrangement. We'll probably end up with a 2551 within the year. I'm still content with the 2350.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: Wayne7 on July 10, 2017, 12:33:23 am
Thanks for the sound advice and additional tips - Jatrax, RheaNL and Janey!  Renting has been suggested in many forums that I have visited with positive outcomes (some purchased and some chose not to purchase).

We received GREAT NEWS this afternoon when a PC owner in the Duluth area contacted Karen and I with the offer to come and see their 2015 2350.  Jean and Wayne - known as "minpin" on the forum - were so fun to meet and incredibly knowledgeable on the PC platform and RVing, in general.  This was a true blessing because Karen and I learned so much from them.  We toured their 2350 and looked at a number of modifications that they had done on their own (at least one of which was adopted by the factory!).  We were overwhelmed by their willingness to share their time in showing us their meticulously kept PC.  The tour and visit confirmed that the PC is a quality product with a lot of options to consider.  We're leaning towards the 2350/2351 in terms of size and layout...and sorting through our "needs" versus "wants".  We did write down many of the customized features that Jean and Wayne incorporated because they make great sense and we would use them in the event of a purchase.

Some of the decisions we're mulling over include:

- slide or no slide
- awning or no awning
- the difference between the dual electric mini sofa bed (2351) and the sofa bed (2350) as a comfortable bed
- necessity of power front seat (s)

Thanks again for everyone's input...most appreciated!

God bless,
Wayne


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: janeebegood on July 14, 2017, 06:17:01 pm
 hithere
I bought my first RV this year, a 2003 Cruiser 2350. Only has 29,000 miles on it and was very well treated by the previous owner. I recently retired so I plan on living in it (along with my five small, old, rescued dogs). My main reason for doing this is that I never seem to have enough time to do anything except clean my house and take care of my yard. I would love to just SIT for a while, and then do all the things I keep putting off "until the work is done". Well guess what! When you own a house, the work is NEVER done. Being single means I am responsible for all of it. I welcome any advice or suggestions from those of you who have been doing this for some time. I am so excited for September, which is when I begin my adventures.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: swiftboot on July 14, 2017, 10:20:54 pm
Welcome Janeebegood!  Not sure if this is your first rv but there is a wealth of info on this forum regarding the various systems that you will need to become familiar with.  Your state has so many beautiful areas to see.   You indicate you will be living in the unit but I assume you will travel as well.  You should look at the date of manufacture of your tires.  Depending on previous owner(s) use pattern it may still have original rubber on the ground.  Plenty of tread may be visible, but the tires may need replacing.  Happy trails.

Larry


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: janeebegood on July 15, 2017, 09:27:14 am
 tymote
Yes, Larry, this is my first RV and I do plan on traveling. I will start with a week at Cape San Blas, FL where I will meet several family members at a house on the beach where we stayed last year. What a beautiful spot! I will go via Mesa, AZ, where my brother lives. I will have the inside of the tires checked, as you suggested, especially as the Cruiser had not been driven for nine months. Thanks for the warm welcome. :-D


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: NHWanderlust on July 17, 2017, 12:59:55 pm
Welcome Wayne7. . .She Who Must Be Obeyed (SWMBO) loves driving our 24 ft PC Sprinter. 

Ahh, another Rumpole of the Bailey fan.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: jwg1199 on August 30, 2017, 04:21:47 pm
Hi, we are John and Maria, We live on the Central Coast of California. We have been RV'ers for the past six years. Our first and only RV was a 2005 Country Coach Allure 42ft (just sold it!). We liked it but decided to downsize. My wife said its going to be an "adjustment". :) We ordered a PC 2552 in July and have already learned tons from this forum, Look forward to meeting other owners and learning more about our PC.

John & Maria


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: jatrax on August 30, 2017, 05:11:25 pm
Welcome John & Maria.  When do you take delivery?


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: jwg1199 on August 30, 2017, 05:44:03 pm
We hope to take delivery the end of October. No firm date as of yet.


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: M. & Mme. McDuck on September 20, 2017, 09:41:34 am
Hello.
I've been reading the Cruiser forum for the past several months while deciding on an RV purchase.  I went to the big RV show in Hershey last week, met Earl and Kyle, spent a full day crawling over and under the Cruisers on display, and placed an order for a new 2552 for delivery next February.  (Could have gotten it sooner, but we're busy in January.)
My wife Janet and I are excited to be planning our first RV in the new rig to the Pacific Northwest.
John


Title: Re: Introduce Yourself!
Post by: jatrax on September 20, 2017, 04:16:41 pm
Welcome and congratulations!  I also have a 2552, 2017 version.  Now the hard part begins: waiting for delivery!

Make sure you sign up for the Phoenix Cruiser Travel Club, we just finished up the 2017 rally in Sister's Oregon with 19 rigs on site.  Quite an impressive sight with all those PC's lined up!

John