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Title: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: classact on February 28, 2012, 10:38:15 pm
A question for 3100 owners, although others can chime in too since it pertains to other models as well to a certain extent.

We love the layout of the 3100 but (mostly my wife) has concerns about the dinette and sofa being on the same side of the coach.  We've had a couple class C's, both of which had opposing sofa/dinette floor plans. If a 3100 had that option I'm sure we'd be all over that.   Just wondering how it works for a couple, when set up at a campsite, and you all are both watching a movie or whatever. One person on the sofa and the other behind them sitting at the dinette? I'm certain the passenger bucket seat is too far forward to use for viewing the TV.  Has anyone added a chair?

Thanks.  One must think about such things before one makes big purchases!


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: gradygal on February 29, 2012, 08:31:23 am
We do not have a 3100. We started in the motorhome world 3 years ago, after sailing for many years. Our 1st was an Airstream Interstate (too small). The 2nd was the PC 2350 (2010) and now we have a 2011 PC 2551. We have been discussing our motorhome needs (comfort) in the next years. We saw the PC 2910 at the Tampa show. Then we met up with Syd and Margo with their 3100.

Our take is, given that they are both built on the same chassis, we like the forward part of the 2910 with the 2 Euro chairs with the table between and the rear of the 3100 with the twin beds and the bath in the rear. We do not like dinettes. Would rather sit on the sofa and eat or eat outside.

Saturday, we went over to Eppers RV (the factory dealer in the area) to look at the 2910 again. We like from the kitchen forward but do not like the back with the queen in the rear slide'

A couple of weeks ago, we emailed Amanda to ask Kermit if our layout could be built on the 2910/3100 chassis. She got back to us stating that she asked Kermit and he would have to think about it. That is where it stands now.

If PC built that with the twin beds, bath in the rear and front 2910 layout, we would be the first in line.

We love our PC and the factory support. In the next couple of years we plan to leave FL in the summers and set up base in the Northeast. For 4 monthes of living in the motorhome as a seasonal, comfort is the main factor as we age gracefully.

Judi


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: Barry-Sue on February 29, 2012, 09:26:47 am
We do not have a 3100 but a 2551 - with a slide and sofa.  Because only one person could see the TV from the sofa we chose to install our own TV and put it on a swivel mount.  It works great and now both of us can sit on the sofa and comfortably watch TV.  This may work in the 3100 as well.
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We have been using it in Fl for the past two months and we are very pleased with our modification.  It is very easy to view and is very road worthy.  No flexing or movement of the TV at all during travel.  We can both sit on the sofa and view the TV without any neck strain.

This may be an option for you.


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: Syd and Margo on February 29, 2012, 11:44:06 am
We have a 2012 3100 which we love.  My wife and I and our little toy poddle have been on the road since early October.  We have no problem watching TV.  My wife and the dog sit on the sofa and I sit at the dinette table.  The only adjustment a have made was to buy a set of wireless headphones for myself, due to a hearing problem I have.  We love the 3100  and having previously owned a Class A and a Fifth Wheel we now feel we have the best of all worlds.  We have recently camped with other PC owners and have made great friends.  Looking forward to meeting other PC  owners.
Syd  :)(:


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: GoPhoenix on February 29, 2012, 01:17:54 pm
Yep, added a chair (recliner).  We previously had a Class A “with all the trimmings.”  In 2006, we sold the Class A ourselves and downsized to a PC, Model 2900, which is no longer made and was bought from a dealer.  This was before mostly factory-only sales by PC.  Our dealer went out of business which, I guess, is one good reason PC is now mostly factory-only sales.   The 2900 had a small swivel chair, see floor plan below.  Beside the chair was a small triangular cabinet with a top that I used a lot (also on the 2700 and 2910), more on that table little top later.  We really liked the 2900 but missed the dinette from the Class A.  And the rear slideout didn’t suit us as we couldn’t use the bed or access most of the closets and cabinets unless the rear slide was open.  Also, the bath layout was not the best for us.  Both would also be true of the 2700 and 2910.

We went to the Phoenix Owners Club’s annual meeting in Branson, MO which turned out to be quite an expensive trip for us.  Kermit was there with the new 3100, and we ended up trading for one.  The more open floor plan of the 3100 made a dramatic difference even though it’s only 10” longer than the 2900 (and the 2910).  Also, it has a longer wheel base (better ride but larger turning radius), bigger gray tank, and an extra outside storage compartment.  We would have preferred a single double bed, but the twins work fine, and the bed is actually longer, my feet don’t hang over!  The bath arrangement is a major, major improvement.  We made several changes when it was built – send me an e-mail if you’d like details.  But back to the chair…

We bought a “Euro chair”, recliner with ottoman like this: http://www.amazon.com/Microfiber-Recliner-Ottoman-Mocha-Description/dp/B004D4IF4C but don’t use the ottoman.  See pic below.  There are many, many Euro chair makes/models available.  I tried to choose one with the narrowest width.  I didn’t spring for the extra money for the leather – personal choice.  When I recline, I just prop my feet on the turned-around passenger chair which works fine.  When we watch TV, I’m in the recliner; my wife’s asleep on the sofa  :-D.  I keep my laptop on a cushioned lap table which I often set on the passenger chair when not in use, or on the floor between the seats.  I’m pretty sure PC offers a recliner to match, but I’m not sure there would be room for the flip up footrest.  I’m very happy with this arrangement.  We rarely use the sofa bed but can by moving the chair in front of the dinette for the night.  And as for the sofa bed, if you rarely use it, I’d recommend our sofa bed, no longer used but may be available.  It has a full width/depth drawer under it which is huge (see pic).  Easy access for my computer, printer, and long items.  It requires an Areobed which we’ve had no problems with but rarely use.

I was concerned about not having the small side table that I had on the 2900. I solved that by using the cabinet next to the chair, see pic.  I bought a plastic cutting board at Walmart and cut it to fit the opening.  Great for my coffee warmer in the morning, a cold beverage in the afternoon, and a Happy Hour drink before supper.  Good place for other things too like the TV remote.  No need to clear it off when traveling – just close the cabinet door and go.  And you’ll find that that wall of cabinets behind the passenger seat holds a ton of stuff.

I know that many folks want to stay with shorter models, but this works for us.  We do travel.  Been to Alaska.  Drove Route 66: http://www.mytripjournal.com/HistoricRoute66 and the Pacific Coast Highway: http://www.mytripjournal.com/ThePCH.   We’ve been in 49 states by RV (and Hawaii, Guam and Europe by air).  But we also stay for weeks in some places; we’ve been in Florida for the past three months at an RV resort.  So the 3100 floor plan works great for that.  And boy do we get visitors – Class A folks wanting to see what the PC is all about.  (nod)


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: kevin on February 29, 2012, 02:51:59 pm
 pyho pyho pyhoMy first,wonderfully worded, reply got lost as I tried to attach/insert a pic which turned out tobe too large >:( >:(
short&sweet
we have a 3100 with no sofa & half a dinette and a soon to be installed mor ryde locking tv articulated arm thingy
kevin


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: DownBy TheRiver on February 29, 2012, 05:24:18 pm


Looking at Barry-Sue’s swing-arm TV setup, I would say that whether standard, or offered as a factory option; this could well be the single most valuable and cost-effective feature for both PC and potential owners.

My own thoughts, as well as discussion here, seems to have people choosing floorplans to accommodate viewing habits, rather than the other way around.  I think the floorplan and furnishings are more important in supporting overall personal usefulness & lifestyle, so it’s regretful that buyers need choose between overall utility vs TV.

A TV arm modification is small potatoes, while floorplan and furniture modifications are much more costly.  Not only financially, but in lost owner satisfaction as well.

The existing over-cab furnishings can remain as are currently designed and manufactured, and the owner can best choose their own viewing angle from anywhere in the coach, no matter what their habits or needs.


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: GoPhoenix on February 29, 2012, 06:19:23 pm
DownByTheRiver, not sure what you trying to say.  But for us, livability was the most important thing.  Frankly, we don’t watch all that much TV.  My recliner is comfortable and makes working on the computer easy (I am a webmaster for four non-profits, gratis).  Also, we are avid readers, and the sofa and recliner work out very well for us.  Not quite sure how you can make valid observations with owning a PC.


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: ragoodsp on February 29, 2012, 08:08:16 pm
While I really enjoy my 2551 i have seriously thought of upgrading to the 3100 for the extra space.    I have had 2 A's with the dining/sofa arrangement like the 3100 and it worked OK. I  have some reservations about the  PC's  seating arrangement since the PC sofas are a little on the short side.  I think the 2910 without the rear slide would be ideal...twin beds on each side, floor to roof wardrobe between them on the back wall and the shirt closets placed like on my 2551 (foot of the beds) would be ideal.  I spoke to Stuart some time ago and he thought the concept could be accomplished without much trouble.  I would remove the dinette as well and replace with a smaller table and two euro style chairs.  It is great that PC has the flexibility and willingness to look at differing design concepts.  Thanks


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: DownBy TheRiver on February 29, 2012, 08:40:19 pm


I'm also more a blogger and a reader than a TV watcher as well.  But that isn't necessarily so for all current or future PC owners.  And as voiced on this forum for a long time now, there is significant "chatter" devoted to which floorplan best accommodates TV viewing.

All I'm trying to say, is that for a few hundred dollars devoted to a swing-arm TV setup – either optionally OR as standard equipment - that either PC might avoid many thousands of dollars’ expense of R&D, or profit; or that many PC buyers could avoid having to choose a less “TV-friendly” floorplan over that which might suit their greater “wishlist” otherwise.

More satisfied buyers and owners for the least additional cost.  That’s all.  And as an additional selling point for PC?  What other RV manufacturer might consider including a telescoping or otherwise adjustable TV mount?  No one else, as far as I can tell.  Win-win!


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: DownBy TheRiver on February 29, 2012, 10:00:42 pm
While I cannot make any valid observations as a PC owner, I am allowed to make valid observations as a potential owner, right?  While current owners might not find my observations or questions worthy of consideration, perhaps PC might be interested in my comments as a future customer?

Yes – I’m a PC “wannabe”.  Certainly, I can’t make valid observations regarding the actual experience of day-to-day operational occupation and ownership of a PC.  And I have not.  That’s why I read this forum’s postings by those who are both experienced RV owners and PC owners.  I need to learn.  But I think I can be allowed commentary or questions on obvious design issues otherwise?  As raised by myself or others?

I’ve been an engineering, architectural, mechanical and design student by education, employment and personal inclination otherwise.  As for theoretical design issues, the PC brochure and website provides copious photographs, specifications and scaled floorplans that can be accurately reviewed and analyzed – for the benefit of current owners, future owners, and for PC itself.

Frankly, I SHOULD have been a PC owner of at least 2 years’ standing by now.  I researched and settled upon PC back in 2007.  All research and reading since then has only strengthened my resolve as a future PC owner.  My anticipated ownership was to be a transitional step between part-timing and full-timing.  But the changes in the economy and related personal, employment and financial issues have delayed my ownership – of both a PC, and the associated lifestyle.

Reality has changed my needs from the possibility of a previously-transitional step between part-timing and full-timing into what would need to be a full-timing necessity.  If not in settling for a premature retirement, but if only because I now need consider, via an RV; to seek gainful employment far from my current “bricks and mortar” reality.  Investments that I can neither emotionally part with nor sell profitably currently.

At this time, I cannot afford both.  My only consolation is that in the interim, PC has continued improving their product, and continues to do so based on our input.  And that’s VERY important to me and other potential owners.

While my input here may be of little benefit to current owners, I can assure you that everyone’s input here is of GREAT benefit to me.  And probably to PC as well.


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: ron.dittmer on February 29, 2012, 11:24:07 pm
Back to the initial question.

I own an older smaller 2350, so you need to consider my opinion from a different perspective.  I would not normally reply except for the topic of a seat in between the entry door and the passenger seat.

Put plain and simple.....we really find this seat comfortable for relaxiation, watching television, and yet offer a 3rd very comfortable seat for another passenger who can recline, relax, and look over the shoulder of the front people out the front window as shown here.  We don't have a 3rd passenger that often, but when we do, they are so grateful to have that seat instead of the seat that originally came with the rig.

The pics below show the seat in various positions including a passenger (my wife) belted in, simulating transit.

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Original Seat

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Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: GoPhoenix on March 01, 2012, 01:35:42 pm
Well, what do you know?  Probably other 3100 owners knew this, but we didn’t, even after we have owned it for a year and a half.  There’s an additional electrical outlet far back under the forward facing dinette seat.  Probably for a computer.  All the times we’ve cleaned, we’ve have never noticed it.  We set up a small Christmas tree on the table in December.  Christmas the first time in Florida still seems a little strange for a northerner.  With no outlet available (we thought), we unfolded the sofa bed in order to access the outlet for the Aerobed and used an extension cord.

So my outlet count is 12, including what must be one in the compartment above the pantry for the microwave, which is screwed shut. Living/cab, 4 (no Aerobed; 3?); kitchen 3; bedroom, 3; bath, 1; exterior, 1.  First class . . . as always.

2o2


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: ron.dittmer on March 01, 2012, 04:14:42 pm
Funny you mentioned that gophoenix.  We too experienced the same with ours 4 years ago....the hidden outlet in the front dinette bench.  I discovered it when putting stuff inside the bench compartment wondering what's that electrical box sticking inside the compartment.  Unfortunately, ours does not run off the invertor.....only shore and generator powered.  It would have been nice when using a laptop on the table.


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: GoPhoenix on March 01, 2012, 04:49:06 pm
The front dinette seat has a very large drawer under it to utilize the space. But the space under the rear dinette seat, where the outlet is, is not accessible. The cushion is not removable (kind of wish it was reversible). Nothing inside or out would seem to utilize that space. But there must be something important in there – no space seems to be wasted.


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: ron.dittmer on March 01, 2012, 05:40:47 pm
Interesting that the factory closed off that bench storage on you.  Like you say, maybe it houses too much infrastructure equipment.

Our front dinette has that power outlet, the power transfer switch, and the subwoofer.  The bench is accessible from the side and above for stuff to be dumped all around and on top of them.  Even with the obstacles, the storage is still well utilized.  BTW: our older model has no drawers.  That came standard a year or two later.


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: TomHanlon on March 01, 2012, 06:42:09 pm
Are there seat belts on the forward facing seat? I would guess that the seat belt laws require that the seat be fixed in place. Any chance I am right?


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: ron.dittmer on March 01, 2012, 07:00:00 pm
My dinette has 2 sets of seat belts per bench.  The belts bolt to the floor, not to the bench.


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: GoPhoenix on March 01, 2012, 07:39:50 pm
Yes, it has two sets of seatbelts on that forward facing seat only. Don’t know positively where they’re anchored, but apparently on the floor by feeling a slot behind the seat. Still, it would be nice to access any additional space if there is any.  But have to assume the space pretty much used by something.


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: kevin on March 01, 2012, 07:45:14 pm
Hey gophoenix, I thought I had broken my rear dinette seat and found the seatbelts in there.  Push up on the front edge a little bit & see if it pops up.  Or...see if anyone else can also get into theirs.
kevin


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: GoPhoenix on March 01, 2012, 08:24:35 pm
Well, Kevin, you’re right. I had to pull harder that I was initially willing to pull. A Helpful vote for your Helpful Rating. But it’s only about six inches deep, and even carpeted!  Considering the effort to get it out and back in place, I would only want to put something there that I would not expect to need very often. But that left a lot of space under that, so what could it be? When I showed by very smart wife, she said she knew what it was. “So”, I said, “what?” After her answer, I said, “Duh.”  Her answer: the mechanics for the slide.  (WH)


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: ron.dittmer on March 01, 2012, 08:45:27 pm
gophoenix.  It seems a good place to store delicate items purchased on trips.  My wife often buys a picture in a frame or cardboard backing, leaving me to wonder how to protect it during the rest of the trip.


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: GoPhoenix on March 02, 2012, 03:54:56 pm
Yes, it would make a good space for that. I’m going to make you guys jealous though: my wife hates to shop. As for not seeing the outlet before now, she suggested it was because of my 68 year-old eyes. But I’m sure that isn't it.  :-D


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: billy on March 02, 2012, 05:03:51 pm
Under the dinette seat facing forward. I installed the blue electric box. The blue line on the wall to the beige board where the seat belts are, are directly under the seat. there is storage there but you would need to raise the seat to get to it.




Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: ron.dittmer on March 02, 2012, 07:58:24 pm
I’m going to make you guys jealous though: my wife hates to shop.
Okay Now........I am Jealous.

Joking aside, my wife's shopping is most often "gifts" for others.  At least it isn't piling up at home.   :)  And she is frugal in her shopping too.....(sigh of relief)


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: GoPhoenix on March 02, 2012, 08:08:16 pm
Billy, thanks for the pics. I saved them.


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: billy on March 02, 2012, 08:44:20 pm
There is a carpeted board over the wires and stuff. Nice storage just a pain to get to. You very welcome.


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: classact on March 05, 2012, 10:31:02 pm
Thanks so much for all the fantastic replies, folks. You all are awesome!   The great feedback and "community" on this forum is another positive aspect of PC ownership.   Thanks everyone for the posts, and for any others who which to chime in as well.


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: classact on March 05, 2012, 10:42:36 pm

Thanks Judi.  Letm me know if Kermit agrees to the floorplan change - sounds like a great option.


>Our take is, given that they are both built on the same chassis, we like the forward part of the 2910 with the 2 Euro chairs with the table between and the rear of the 3100 with the twin beds and the bath in the rear. We do not like dinettes. Would rather sit on the sofa and eat or eat outside.

Saturday, we went over to Eppers RV (the factory dealer in the area) to look at the 2910 again. We like from the kitchen forward but do not like the back with the queen in the rear slide'

A couple of weeks ago, we emailed Amanda to ask Kermit if our layout could be built on the 2910/3100 chassis. She got back to us stating that she asked Kermit and he would have to think about it. That is where it stands now.

If PC built that with the twin beds, bath in the rear and front 2910 layout, we would be the first in line.



Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: gradygal on March 07, 2012, 09:38:53 am

Thanks Judi.  Letm me know if Kermit agrees to the floorplan change - sounds like a great option.


>Our take is, given that they are both built on the same chassis, we like the forward part of the 2910 with the 2 Euro chairs with the table between and the rear of the 3100 with the twin beds and the bath in the rear. We do not like dinettes. Would rather sit on the sofa and eat or eat outside.

Saturday, we went over to Eppers RV (the factory dealer in the area) to look at the 2910 again. We like from the kitchen forward but do not like the back with the queen in the rear slide'

A couple of weeks ago, we emailed Amanda to ask Kermit if our layout could be built on the 2910/3100 chassis. She got back to us stating that she asked Kermit and he would have to think about it. That is where it stands now.

If PC built that with the twin beds, bath in the rear and front 2910 layout, we would be the first in line.


.We heard from Amanda and Kermit indicated that the 2910 could be built with the front of the 2910 and the back of the 3100. That is the ideal floor plan. The living area is much more spacious and the twin beds with the bath in the rear is, in our opinion, a better use of the space.

That being said, we are now considering being committed to the mental health facility here in town. We are discussing moving up to the 2910 (operative word discussing-this would be our 3rd PC in 3 years!) and the possibility of trading our 2551. It certainly would be more comfortable for "sunbirding" in the future.


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: ron.dittmer on March 07, 2012, 10:00:39 am
The only thing of concern to me with the 2910 is the dinette in the slideout.

In the spring of 2007 when we visited the factory to make decisions on colors, fabrics, and options for our 2350, we walked through other models that were ready for delivery.  One unit had a dinette in a slideout located on the passenger side.  My wife and I sat in that dinette and thought it was very cramped to the point of being completely unacceptable.  Our knees and legs were tangled up with eachother and the table was very small with no room between two plates across from eachother.  I could slouch a little and hit the opposing bench seat with my knees.....I am 5'-11".

If that dinette was NOT in a slideout, it would have been just fine because it utilizes the extra wall space of the angled wall behind the passenger seat, and also picks up the extra wall space from the lack of slide-out walls.  The distance between the two benches increases dramatically, and the table grows nicely.  With the dinette setup as a bed, I can sleep on it fully extended, which came in handy when I got sick on one trip.  Also consider that the floor is not raised and no walls tight around eliminates any claustrophobia, and the over-head cabinets become massive.  It was an easy choice for us to get the dinette without a slideout for our 2350.

Just because a model shows a slideout in the floorplan, does not mean you don't have a choice.  The factory would be happy to build that model without a dinette slideout.  The money saved can be pocketed, or in our case, we spent that money on the full body paint job.

You decide what works for you.  I am not trying to be a critic here with slideout dinettes.  I am just passing on my take on the matter.

One final comment, on a personal level.  Now that we have owned ours for about 5 years, I wished I asked them to add an insulated key'd outside access door to our front dinette bench seat.  I place all my heavy mechanical stuff inside it to help in weight distribution given the fresh water tank is in the opposing corner.  It would be so much nicer if I could get to my tool box, extra power cords, motor oil, jack etc. direct from the outside to avoid disturbing the interior.


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: TomHanlon on March 07, 2012, 10:33:07 am
Ron,

    Looking at the current layouts for the 2910, I think they have discontinued the dinette in the slide option. It says the it now only comes with two slideouts. They must be listenning to your concerns about the side of the dinette in the slideout.


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: gradygal on March 07, 2012, 11:16:33 am
The slide in the 2012 2910 includes the sofa, stove and microwave. On the opposite side from the sofa are two Euro chairs with a flip up table between. Above the table is a window so the living area of the Coach is very open. There would be only one slide in our "proposed" model. Take a look at the inventory on the website--you will see a 2910 that was in Punta Gorda. That is what the living area would look like.

Judi


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: aimee on March 07, 2012, 11:26:27 am
Ron,

    Looking at the current layouts for the 2910, I think they have discontinued the dinette in the slide option. It says the it now only comes with two slideouts. They must be listenning to your concerns about the side of the dinette in the slideout.

There are now 2 2910 floorplans, the triple and the double-slide.


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: TomHanlon on March 07, 2012, 11:59:43 am
Thanks, now I understand. I was corn-fussed.


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: ron.dittmer on March 07, 2012, 12:18:51 pm
What I had to say would apply to most models where a slideout has only a dinette within.

If I were considering a used PC and it happened to have one of these, I would not let it be a show stopping issue.  I simply would try as is.  If I could not live with it as anticipated, then do a little home remodeling, modifying the interior of the slideout to "Plan B".....whatever plan B is for you.  Just make sure you have a plan B before the purchase.


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: billy on March 07, 2012, 03:31:31 pm
We have a nice size recliner, 25" out side arm to arm. Got it from lambright? They advertise in some of the travel books. We are leaving Palm Springs towards Pismo Beach tomorrow.


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: classact on March 08, 2012, 11:14:30 pm
What I had to say would apply to most models where a slideout has only a dinette within.

If I were considering a used PC and it happened to have one of these, I would not let it be a show stopping issue.  I simply would try as is.  If I could not live with it as anticipated, then do a little home remodeling, modifying the interior of the slideout to "Plan B".....whatever plan B is for you.  Just make sure you have a plan B before the purchase.

Good points all around, Ron.  I must say, the euro style chairs opposite the sofa in the 2910 look incredibly comfortable and a nice alternative to a full dinette.  Comes down to personal preference I suppose.  If this front floor plan could be combined w/ the rear twins/bath of the 3100, it would be about the ideal floorplan for us.


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: gradygal on March 09, 2012, 06:47:24 am
As I posted on March 7, we heard back and Kermit indicated that our "proposed" layout can be built so----------

Another nice feature, in addition to the twin beds, Euro chairs with the flip up table and bath in the rear, is that there are 2 windows in the living area (one behind the sofa and one over the flip up table) that would open up the living area to the views outside.

This floorplan, in our opinion, has many advantages over the existing 2910 layout.

Judi


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: ron.dittmer on March 09, 2012, 08:18:41 am
I am "Taken Back" by all the interest in sleeping in separate beds......like the Peteries did in the 60's.


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: TomHanlon on March 09, 2012, 10:29:39 am
As they used to say back in the 60's, "Different strokes for different folks."


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: BGolden on March 09, 2012, 12:17:43 pm
So did June and Ward Clever ..... that was the  50's


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: billy on March 09, 2012, 12:23:42 pm
Back in the fifties with Lucy, in the bedroom if in bed Desi HAD to keep one foot on the floor. AND NOW?????


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: aimee on March 09, 2012, 12:49:59 pm
 :lol  I have  a lot of friends and family who moved to separate beds as they got older. Differing medication schedules, difficulty crawling over one another, recoveries from procedures, snoring, "the jimmy legs", teeth grinding, etc. Although I personally have always been a snuggler, some people prefer or need to get a full night's sleep alone.  (WH)  kumbaya


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: Paul/Marilyn on March 09, 2012, 01:01:48 pm
After 55 years we still want to share a bed...we may have two dogs and a cat between us...but we're all still there!
Marilyn & Paul  (yahoo)


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: ron.dittmer on March 09, 2012, 01:14:49 pm
After 55 years we still want to share a bed...we may have two dogs and a cat between us...but we're all still there!
Marilyn & Paul  (yahoo)
We are quite far behind you with only 34 years married.  I do undersatnd about the issues that come with age as Aimee outlined because we deal with a few of them already.  But my wife and I think alike on this one.  We hope never the need to resort to separate beds.


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: Barry-Sue on March 09, 2012, 04:22:47 pm
We're more like Dharma and Greg - need we say more!!!! roflol


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: TomHanlon on March 09, 2012, 04:35:53 pm
About a year ago I read on one of the web sites that a study found that 25% of married couples have separate bedrooms. I guess that they get together at times.
My wife and I don't mind sleeping apart as we are both very loud snorers. We keep our cuddle times for when we are awake, to really enjoy them.


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: billy on March 09, 2012, 05:59:06 pm
I know it not all that far apart, I wised off the other nite and Sharon wacked me, it ain't that far away.        ((hug))


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: aimee on March 09, 2012, 06:08:50 pm
too far away to steal her pillow, but not too far away for her to keep you in line.  2o2 ;)


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: gradygal on March 12, 2012, 04:38:06 pm
As I posted on March 7, we heard back and Kermit indicated that our "proposed" layout can be built so----------

Another nice feature, in addition to the twin beds, Euro chairs with the flip up table and bath in the rear, is that there are 2 windows in the living area (one behind the sofa and one over the flip up table) that would open up the living area to the views outside.

This floorplan, in our opinion, has many advantages over the existing 2910 layout.

Judi
Just an update:: There was a misunderstanding and the 2910 cannot be built as we proposed. What a bummer!!!!!!!!!! They would be able to put the twin beds in the back of the coach (like the discontinued 2950) but by doing that you lose the large wardrobe and the bath is in the middle of the coach. So, wave when you see us go by in our 2551!!!

Judi


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: TomHanlon on March 12, 2012, 06:56:11 pm
Sorry to hear that but I bet your wallet is a happy camper about now.  :-D :lol roflol


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: classact on March 14, 2012, 10:22:36 pm
Interesting how threads take on a life of their own. My original request for comments about the front-end sofa/dinnette layout has morphed to whether couples like to sleep in the same bed or not.  Reminds me of the game where you whisper something in the ear of the person next to you and let it go around the circle until the last person recites what was said and it's completely different. Not complaining, it's just funny. 


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: billy on March 14, 2012, 11:10:09 pm
too far away to steal her pillow, but not too far away for her to keep you in line.  2o2 ;)


Yup!


Title: Re: Question for 3100 owners
Post by: aimee on March 19, 2012, 12:45:02 pm
Interesting how threads take on a life of their own. My original request for comments about the front-end sofa/dinnette layout has morphed to whether couples like to sleep in the same bed or not.  Reminds me of the game where you whisper something in the ear of the person next to you and let it go around the circle until the last person recites what was said and it's completely different. Not complaining, it's just funny. 

It's very conversational in nature.  The forum ends up functioning more like a group of campers sitting around at a party or dinner and letting conversation flow from one subject to another via segue.  Some forums are better at functioning more like FAQ's where the answer matches the topic more strictly.  There is value in both, with the latter helping passers-by more directly, and the former being a more rich source of information (though harder to find without a search) because the conversation flows.  Starting a new topic when the conversation veers off is a little like changing tables at dinner every time you veer off to a new subject, and it does slow down the flow.