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Title: New 4x4 finished
Post by: aimee on April 25, 2012, 01:38:42 pm
Keep your eyes peeled, I'm going to be posting photos of a gorgeous new 2400 4x4 with Sterling Full-Body paint. I believe the new owner has taken delivery already, but it sure is pretty to view.  3>:)


edited to fix my mistake with body paint. Having never seen them in person, I still get them mixed up sometimes. Mea Culpa!


Title: Re: New 4x4 finished
Post by: kevin on April 25, 2012, 07:11:48 pm
OH BOY - my eyes are peeled - a toast to another 4x4  :)(: (cheer)
kevin
big white phoenix in stealth mode


Title: Re: New 4x4 finished
Post by: Bob Mahon on April 25, 2012, 10:03:13 pm
Hey Kev, if I were to order a PC, I'd have another 'Stealth Mode" unit.
I like it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: New 4x4 finished
Post by: aimee on April 26, 2012, 12:22:00 am
http://www.phoenixusarv.com/4x4.html

Here are pics of it.  If you navigate on toward the back you can see a stealth mode 4x4.  Is that yours, Kevin?


Title: Re: New 4x4 finished
Post by: TomHanlon on April 26, 2012, 07:41:17 am
I like it. Is that a new color or just specal order? I really like the blue touch in the paint.


Title: Re: New 4x4 finished
Post by: bigbadjc on April 26, 2012, 09:18:11 am
As someone who's never had any 4 wheel drive vehicle larger than a Chevy Tracker, I have a couple of questions.  While it seems useful in some terrain and back country camping sites, does it have a higher center of gravity and more tendency to sway on the roads?  Is the ride appreciably rougher?  Is the MPG lower than a conventional two wheel drive?  In other words, other than cost, do you sacrifice anything to get a 4 wheel drive motorhome?   And, does it use a transfer case or is it full time AWD?  Wait, I forgot about the company Jeep I had in VietNam.  It was 4 wheel drive, but I wouldn't recommend it for comfort.

Jerry


Title: Re: New 4x4 finished
Post by: DownBy TheRiver on April 26, 2012, 06:12:52 pm





Let me say for the record - I am sooooo grateful that someone other than I brought up the 4x4 option as a topic.  And let’s also assume Kevin is also the owner of the previously depicted “stealth mode 4x4” white whale – and if so, he’s certainly able to answer many questions in this regard.

What of the 4x4 option?  I can foresee myself as seriously having to consider the Quigley 4x4 option for my own future PC, as I can also foresee myself frequenting many “under”-improved private campsites, as well as those in State and Federal Parks as well.  And as I commented on FAR earlier on this Forum, have spent many a merry beer-breakfast Sunday watching non-4x4 campers even trying to exit a grassy, relatively level; yet now rainy and muddy campsite.  Not to mention the possibility of snow in my future camping forecast, as well as perhaps having to visit a boat launch!

So – I’m mostly about traction, and not about ground clearance necessarily.  Yet I can’t help but notice in the pictures of the latest PC2400 4x4, that the front pair of leveling jacks are really “hanging out there” below the chassis, while the rear pair appear relatively “normal”.

Question – is this due to the fact that so much more “hardware” is packed into the front end on the 4x4 chassis, that on this shorter chassis, their mounting points are dispersed to a less desirable and lower location otherwise?  Would their appearance be less prominent if the leveling jacks used had greater potential extension as might otherwise be fitted to a “taller” Class A chassis?  Or to a longer PC chassis?

It would seem that even on the previously depicted “stealth mode 4x4”, that the hanging, and disengaged jacks are not quite so prominent.  Is this due to that longer chassis’ wheelbase and center of gravity allowing the forward jack pair to be mounted further aft as compared to the “shorty” 2400 chassis?

Just asking -


Title: Re: New 4x4 finished
Post by: DownBy TheRiver on April 26, 2012, 07:33:11 pm
JC Said:

>>>>  “As someone who's never had any 4 wheel drive vehicle larger than a Chevy Tracker.

I had the Suzuki Sidekick “Tracker twin”!  LOVED that little truck!  Nothing in anyway similar at the present time!  My friends insisted I refer to “her” as “Suzie”.  LOL!  Good times, fond memories.

>>>>  “I have a couple of questions. While it seems useful in some terrain and back country camping sites, does it have a higher center of gravity and more tendency to sway on the roads?”

Maybe – the Quigley option apparently up-sizes your tire and wheel sizes, and certainly “jacks up” your chassis’ ride height.  But then again, also introduces a lot of heavy iron “down low” up front, with the addition of a transfer case, as well as the F-Series chassis’ solid front axle and all associated suspension hardware, probably weighing more than that of a normally-weighted E-Series independent front end.  Don’t know what “Magic 8-ball” might really say, but could easily opine a response of “Maybe”.

>>>>  “ Is the ride appreciably rougher?”

It must be – a more primitively-sprung solid front axle from the F-Series pickup vs an independent and coil-sprung front end as is standard on an E-Series van chassis.  With the Quigley option, your front end is now riding on an F-Series, solid, pickup-type truck front axle.

Only Kevin might be able to tell you about the ride quality for sure.


Title: Re: New 4x4 finished
Post by: DownBy TheRiver on April 26, 2012, 07:33:45 pm
>>>>  “ Is the MPG lower than a conventional two wheel drive? In other words, other than cost, do you sacrifice anything to get a 4 wheel drive motorhome?”

Probably - according to the Quigley website, when reviewing the measured statistics for standard cargo and/or passenger van bodies in the E-350 or E-450 range, the Quigley 4wd setup results in approximately 1 less mpg city, 2 less mpg’s highway.  Those are for standard-bodied van chassis without any appreciable chassis load as tested.  For PC owners with a fully-loaded motorhome house?  Could be less, could be more.

Kevin?


Title: Re: New 4x4 finished
Post by: DownBy TheRiver on April 26, 2012, 07:34:08 pm
>>>>  “And, does it use a transfer case or is it full time AWD?”

According to the Quigley website, it is not AWD, but only part-time 4wd Hi/LO-range with a transfer case – the F-Series transfer case.  But on the other hand, am not entirely familiar with the Ford F-Series (Pickup, Expedition and/or Excursion) front axle and transfer cases.  Chevrolet’s competing models feature “auto-locking” front hubs, resulting in something close to AWD.  Ford also claims “auto” front hubs, but don’t know if the end result is the same as GM’s in ability to mimic AWD.

On the other hand, you can theoretically order an E-350 or E-450 cutaway chassis with a “limited slip” rear differential, or can easily substitute that gearing later on.  Have you either a limited slip OR locking rear differential?  That alone could easily provide almost 75% of the increased traction benefit that a 4wd chassis might provide otherwise without a weight or MPG penalty.  At least that’s the “seat of the pants” difference noted between Toyota’s (TRD – Toyota Racing Development’s) “Pre-Runner” models (2wd with either limited-slip or locking rear differential) vs “Fore-Runner” models  (4wd/AWD) models - according to various off-road magazines’ reviews between the two systems.

But then, if I can get more lower to the ground and cheaper traction, I don’t have to be worried about the front set of jacks “hanging out there” on the PC2400 in the first place.

I would personally choose one or the other over the standard open-axle setup myself.

Kevin?


Title: Re: New 4x4 finished
Post by: bhgareau on May 01, 2012, 02:49:03 am
We are the proud owners of the latest 4X4 PC. We took delivery on 4/10 and returned home to Alaska via detours  to  several locations as far east as Cape Cod. We put on 6,500 miles and averaged  8.6 mpg. It rides like a truck but have you taken a ride in a F150 lately? It handles nicely and is very stable in strong crosswinds. We used  the 4X4 in a snowstorm in the Canadian Rockies. It was very functional. We bought 4X4 because we live in Alaska. We are very happy we did.


Title: Re: New 4x4 finished
Post by: BrownCrew on May 01, 2012, 07:24:36 am
Congrats on the new rig !

 :)(:

Elkhart to Alaska via Cape Cod is a little more than a detour ...

 :lol

Will I see this PC roaming anywhere near Anchorage by chance ?


Title: Re: New 4x4 finished
Post by: aimee on May 01, 2012, 10:00:22 am
Thanks so much for letting us know and welcome to the forum!


Title: Re: New 4x4 finished
Post by: kevin on May 01, 2012, 07:29:48 pm
Oh Road Apples  :-D :-D :-D I was in Chicago on business & didn't notice someone asked a ?? of me.  I guess I have tomorrow's rainy daay reading material.  I started to read them & bounced to another & then Big Bang Theory rerun came on ,I naturally started writing this during the commercial and Linda left (during commercial) saying  "Sheldon's social interactions sometimes remind me of your father".  & I said "..and of me..except I learned to keep my mouth shut more often".  Anyway, I seriously hope I have positraction -or whatever a Ford locked rear end/ limited slip,etc & a front wheel drive.  Linda thinks our PC rides great & I don't mind driving in winds and the mpg vary from 7.9 to 9.8 and oops we have to go out in boat to check loons for leg bands as wind just died prior to thunderboomers
tomorrow
kevin


Title: Re: New 4x4 finished
Post by: bhgareau on May 01, 2012, 10:57:31 pm
Just went out and measured the height of the leveling jacks...front and rear have the same ground clearance. Quigley has a great rep for quality and durability of their conversions up here in Alaska. Lots of ambulances and school buses  have the package. As for question regarding Anchorage...there are only three reasons to go there...Moose's Tooth Pizza....Costco....and to drive thru in order to go somewhere else.


Title: Re: New 4x4 finished
Post by: ron.dittmer on May 02, 2012, 07:38:01 am
We are the proud owners of the latest 4X4 PC.
Congratulations on your new PC 4x4 2400.  :)


Title: Re: New 4x4 finished
Post by: BrownCrew on May 02, 2012, 08:54:15 am
As for question regarding Anchorage...there are only three reasons to go there...Moose's Tooth Pizza....Costco....and to drive thru in order to go somewhere else.

I only have 2 reasons then ... A great job that I can't afford to leave, and Moose's Tooth Pizza !

 2o2


Title: Re: New 4x4 finished
Post by: bigbadjc on May 02, 2012, 09:19:49 am
There's one other reason to go to Anchorage.  It's on the great circle route to SE Asia.  I have fond memories of getting on a C-151 at Keesler AFB in Biloxi in short sleeves and 80 degree weather and stopping on our first  stop on the way to Viet Nam at Elmendorf AFB in Anchorage and it was 32 degrees and snowing.  I can see the need for 4WD on a motor home if you live in Alaska.  I was also on a tour bus once on the ALCAN Highway and understand why a stiff suspension is needed.

Jerry


Title: Re: New 4x4 finished
Post by: aimee on May 02, 2012, 09:27:50 am
Is she seriously about to hijack this thread?  Oh yes, she is...

I started to read them & bounced to another & then Big Bang Theory rerun came on ,I naturally started writing this during the commercial and Linda left (during commercial) saying  "Sheldon's social interactions sometimes remind me of your father".  & I said "..and of me..except I learned to keep my mouth shut more often". 
kevin

Last night as we were getting ready for bed, my two youngest daughters and I sang Soft Kitty in a 3-part round until we couldn't stop laughing.


Title: Re: New 4x4 finished
Post by: BrownCrew on May 02, 2012, 09:46:38 am
There's one other reason to go to Anchorage.  It's on the great circle route to SE Asia. 

Jerry

Which is one of the reasons that my job is there ...


Title: Re: New 4x4 finished
Post by: gradygal on May 02, 2012, 09:53:02 am
Another hijack!!!

Another shout out for the Big Bang! We watch reruns EVERY single night from 7:00 to 8:00. Have seen most of them 3-4 times and still find them hilarious. Two strange weird PC owners. I know, I know, we should get a life!
Judi and George