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Title: Still here
Post by: Gary on May 10, 2012, 01:05:18 pm
Hi  ;)

I'm still here, just been doing some research online and I am getting some ideas and a whole lot of questions that I will post, we have made up our minds on a 2552 I think I can turn the two beds into a queen without much trouble.


Gary


Title: Re: Still here
Post by: billy on May 10, 2012, 01:27:25 pm
There was a post where the twins taken out and installed two recliner couches. Sorry I cannot remember but Aimee will, she knows all.    heartshower


Title: Re: Still here
Post by: ron.dittmer on May 10, 2012, 04:27:50 pm
Supporting Billy's comment.  I think the factory can accomodate Gary's request with a motorized fold-down couch on one side that can mate up to the bed across the isle to make a King size bed.

Maybe they can make one single bed on casters that can roll over and latch up to the other single to turn the two single beds into one double/queen bed.  Better than we experience on cruise ships.


Title: Re: Still here
Post by: billy on May 10, 2012, 08:21:50 pm
I think I would like more storage?


Title: Re: Still here
Post by: ron.dittmer on May 10, 2012, 09:00:38 pm
Maybe the entire bed-cabinet can move with the one bed.


Title: Re: Still here
Post by: aimee on May 10, 2012, 11:00:31 pm
Found it, Billy!  Thanks for the reminder!


"Take a look at what this couple did.  http://phoenixusarv.com/albums/2551_models/index10.html  Look for the captioned "special double sofa"   Instead of twin beds in the rear, they did facing sofas, which fold out into beds that touch. One sofa is considerably longer than the other. Kind of the best of both worlds, maybe?"

Here's a picture of it quickly, but there are more at the link above.

(http://phoenixusarv.com/albums/2551_models/slides/20111016_52.jpg)


Title: Re: Still here
Post by: Gary on May 11, 2012, 01:13:04 am
Thank you  Aimee ( hope I don't have to call you misstress)

DW saw the photos and said she liked it, so I guess that's what we'll get.

Hopefully ya'll will not get mad if I ask a LOT of questions, the first one is have anyone heard/used this ETERNABOND, if you have would it be a good idea to use it on all seams right from the get go?

number two, is there anything you need to use the camper that isn't there when you get it, not pots and pans but any hoses, or hook ups, the basic stuff.

number three, I know you can ask for things to be added, can we buy things and ask they be added like, side view cams and satellite dish  to be added.

number four and this might be dumb, does the rear ladder make any noise going down the road, I'm about 50-50 on haveing it installed.

number five, we are thinking about getting a Prest-O-Fit Patio Rug 8' x 20', is there enough room to store it outside, or do we have to have it inside on the floor rolled up? Also how about chairs or are they a inside item too ?

I guess that's enough for now, we'll have more the more we look online.

Gary



Title: Re: Still here
Post by: billy on May 11, 2012, 11:44:13 am
I knew you could do it girl.    tymote


Title: Re: Still here
Post by: ron.dittmer on May 11, 2012, 12:10:21 pm
You will get a lot of great input on options to consider, and such.

I got these items from Walmart, some found in their automotive-RV section

- Two 25' long 30amp extension cords (but don't use both with the a/c, a electrical safety concern)
- Two fresh water hoses (the white ones)
- A "Y" hose adapter with shut-offs
- A 2'x4' folding table that stores nicely in the rear compartment (when taking out those silly eyelets with bungie cords)
- Get a tool box and set yourself up with a nice set of tools and small supplies like fuses, hardware, etc.

About the rear ladder and roof rack.  It was our decision to get the ladder and rack but not mounted, just storing them at home.  5 years later and still no regrets about that decision.  But it is not a popular decision.  I figure if I ever changed my mind, I could still mount them.  But not so if doing it in reverse.

I wished we had the factory add a separate outdoor light switch with an extra light on each side and rear so we could light up the campsite in all directions when needed.

Also to have two porch lights, one one each end under the awning.  One light makes too much shadow.  If two lights is too bright, put in lower wattage bulbs.

If the one porch light today was mounted on the opposite side of the entry door, less bugs would get inside.  That would work well with the two light setup.


Title: Re: Still here
Post by: bigbadjc on May 11, 2012, 12:52:26 pm
While I understand that some people would prefer a queen bed over two twins, the solution shown here has some problems.  First, one of the advantages of the twin bed 2551 is the beds are just beds and can be made up and left that way.  They utilize real linens and don't have joints in them requiring some kind of rubber layer over them.  This was the whole reason we bought a 2551.  Also, as  you get older and feel the need to hit the bathroom in the middle of the night, it's easier to roll into an aisle and step in the bathroom than to do a backflip off the bed through the bathroom door.  Anyway, one man's opinion.

Jerry


Title: Re: Still here
Post by: gradygal on May 11, 2012, 01:33:32 pm
I agree with Jerry. The 1st RV that we had was an Airstream Interstate, Class B. It had the same configuration as the photo above-two sofas that folded down into a bed. It was very difficult to get to the head in the middle of the night.

We then went to the 2350 with the rear corner bed-thought we could deal with that. Not so! For us, the twin beds is the way to go. To each his own---

Judi


Title: Re: Still here
Post by: gl1500 on May 11, 2012, 01:38:18 pm
Gary,
    On the ladder.  Our ladder is stored in the up position so it is never in the way to get into the rear compartment.  I use the double sided velcro tape, wrap it around the stationary part of the ladder and then around the moveable section to secure in place.  I so that on both sides.  If I have any problems, or reason to go on the roof, the ladder is readily available.  Also is used to clean the backup camera lens after driving in the rain.  
     I would also purchase a water pressure regulator for use in campgrounds.
     I am not sure why you would need two 25' electrical extension cords in addition to the one with the coach.  I have been RVing since 1964 and have never had a need for anything but the cord with the coach.  That is an expensive buy if you never use them.  Maybe Ron could help on why he recommends them.  What Ron says about a tool box is dead on.  You may find you will need screw drivers other than the standard slot and phillips.  If you are electrical knowledgeable, get an inexpensive Volt-Ohm meter.  Comes in handy for troubleshooting and you never know when a fellow camper could use some electrical help.  Just a few of my thoughts.
     Bob


Title: Re: Still here
Post by: ron.dittmer on May 11, 2012, 03:21:54 pm
I am not sure why you would need two 25' electrical extension cords in addition to the one with the coach.  I have been RVing since 1964 and have never had a need for anything but the cord with the coach.  That is an expensive buy if you never use them.  Maybe Ron could help on why he recommends them.
We usually camp in primitive camp grounds where electric is either non-existent, is limited to just a few sites or sometimes set far back for sharing sites.  Admittedly we most often don't need any extension, but the rare time we do, it is great to have.

On rare occasion when those few electric sites are taken, we'll camp next to an occupied electric site and use the extensions to get power to charge our batteries and use the microwave......as long as an electric outlet is available.  We would never inconvenience the occupant, always asking before using.  Many people are more than happy to share when electric is scarce.

It is disappointing when you are 10' short of cord, resorting to using the generator, sometimes working within generator rules & restrictions.

As gl1500 says, 30 amp cords can be very expensive, around $125 each, but I found our 30 amp extension cords on clearence for $25 each.  With patience, you may as well.  Usually they are found on clearence at the tail end of the RVing season.


Title: Re: Still here
Post by: ron.dittmer on May 11, 2012, 03:32:28 pm
We then went to the 2350 with the rear corner bed-thought we could deal with that. Not so! For us, the twin beds is the way to go.....
It seems most PC owners on this forum who initially owned a 2350, make the switch to a 2551 or something larger to rid themselves of the challenges with the rear corner double bed.  Anyone new here who is considering a 2350 should study the bed closely before buying the motor home because the odds here say you'll be switching.

My wife and I are the exception with our 2350.  We would have much more trouble shaking hands good night to eachother from across the isle, than dealing with our rear corner bed.  The compromise pictured above is an interesting alternative.


Title: Re: Still here
Post by: echo11 on May 11, 2012, 04:28:07 pm
We also like the 2350.  Consider a good surge protector, water filter, different length water hoses.  We have both 15 and 25 feet, for the most part we use the shorter one.  We also have a tire monitoring system that we like. A coaxle cable  for cable hookup.  Also an assortment of tools as mentioned.    There are really good suggestions all over this forum.


Title: Re: Still here
Post by: Gary on May 11, 2012, 04:35:38 pm
 tymote  forall the replys

A little about ourselves, the last time I went camping in any kinda of rv was in the '60's, after high school I enlisted in the Army as a 11b Infantryman '79-'91 , so throwing down a sleeping bag or wrapping up in a poncho liner was the norm.  After getting out I swore not to sleep on the ground anymore  :lol.


As far as tools I worked for Goodyear as a auto tech, so the only thing I'll have to get is a smaller tool box and figuring out which tools to bring.

The reason for wanting a larger bed is the DW has said "I can't sleep right if we are not in the same bed", she's 5' 6" and I'm 6' 2", there are not many beds that I've found that we can both be comfortable in, most of the time my feet are hanging over the end.

With the talk of cords, during the research I've done so far the vast majorty have said that with 30 amp you have to watch what you use, and with 50 amp you can run most anything you want. I have seen the only way to get 50 amp on a PC is to get another ac unit, have ya'll found that 30 is ok or do you wish you had the 50 ?

There is so much we would like to have added to the one we will order, one thing that would be nice is a small window in the lower half of the door, we would be takeing a couple dogs and 1-2 cats with us, ( DW is the crazy cat lady  roflol ) the main thing holding us back from our wish list is we are both disabled, she is on ssdi, as am I along with being 70% with the VA, I messed up my back when I was in the Army.

Another question, have anyone that has used the "stinky slinky" found out that you needed a longer hose at any time?


Title: Re: Still here
Post by: ron.dittmer on May 11, 2012, 04:54:54 pm
With the talk of cords, during the research I've done so far the vast majorty have said that with 30 amp you have to watch what you use, and with 50 amp you can run most anything you want. I have seen the only way to get 50 amp on a PC is to get another ac unit, have ya'll found that 30 is ok or do you wish you had the 50 ?

There is so much we would like to have added to the one we will order, one thing that would be nice is a small window in the lower half of the door.....

Another question, have anyone that has used the "stinky slinky" found out that you needed a longer hose at any time?
It is NOT recommended to run the a/c when using a 30 amp extension cord, let alone two of them.

On rare occasion, running both the a/c and microwave, along with brewing a pot of coffee and using a hair blow dryer, can trip a breaker or the safety on the generator.  Even so, I think 30 amp is adequate for 99% of the time.  50 amp seems a bit much.  Just be aware of what's running before you amp up something serious.

About a lower window in the door.  My only concern would be the lack of privacy.  Maybe window blinds will work there.  It seems feasible.  PC-USA could answer that best.

Your height of 6'2" has me concerned for your head clearence to the a/c unit.  Have you walked around inside a PC yet with your shoes on?

Stinky Slinky?  No need for one of those with a PC.  No place to store one outside either.  The Sani-Con will serve you well and it's purge hose gets really, really long under pressure.  Don't worry about that one.

The only time a Stinky Slinky has value with a PC would be if staying in one place for weeks at a time.  You might want to setup for continuous drain-out.  I bought a Rhino sewer hose and an outdoor storage tube but yet to install it as the need has not yet arisen.  I got ahead of myself on that one.

Rhino Sewer Hose
(http://www.rvcruzer.com/images/sewerhose_rhino.jpg)

Storage Tube
(http://dwincorp.com/images/Super-Tube_Products_260.jpg)


Title: Re: Still here
Post by: Gary on May 11, 2012, 05:43:14 pm
Hi Ron,

On walking in a PC, no we have just seen them online I haven't found anyone close to us to see one up close, there was a rv show here last month and there wasn't any PC's there, in fact there was only 3-4 class c b+ rv's there mostly class a's and 5th wheelers and tt's.

Something else I have wondered, and was in the photo of your sewer hose, I saw a video online the guy said that haveing a clear plastic 90 or 45 elbow helped to see when the black tank was cleaned out,I was wondering if ya'll thought if this was a good idea or not.

P.S. the reason for the window in the door, it would be for the dogs and cats to look out while driveing or when stoped over night, also so we could make sure none of them would be close to run out when we opened the door.


Title: Re: Still here
Post by: ron.dittmer on May 11, 2012, 06:24:25 pm
You will surely want to size one up for yourself before putting down any money.

I now understand better, why the desire for a low window there.  You'd want it to be clear glass as well because the PC glass is so dark, you cannot see inside unless at very close range.


Title: Re: Still here
Post by: Gary on May 11, 2012, 07:11:33 pm
Over the years I have learned to duck alot, I'm ok as long as I don't have to bend over at the waist :'(




Title: Re: Still here
Post by: Gary on May 14, 2012, 07:54:23 pm
I have seen that ya'll like the rear view cam on the PC's, what do you feel about side view cams ?

Do you guys like those maxxair fan vent covers, are they worth the money ?


Title: Re: Still here
Post by: gl1500 on May 15, 2012, 01:36:36 am
Gary,
   We had PC upgrade one of our overhead fans to a MaxAir automatic.  It is all electric.  When turned on the outside top electrically opens and can be left open.  It is rain proof and speed, on auto, is controlled by the temp you set.  It can also be operated manually.  Air can be pulled in or reverse it to pull air out.  The best use is you can leave it open with out fear of rain coming in while you are not around.  I have used the MaxAir vent covers on previous RV's and they also work very well.
     Bob


Title: Re: Still here
Post by: Gary on May 15, 2012, 03:01:45 am
Thanks for the info  tymote

I've looked at all the photos and can't find out if the sofa's (any kind) have seat belts, the reason I ask is so we could strap in our grandson in his seat he's 5.


Title: Re: Still here
Post by: Geojude on May 15, 2012, 06:56:08 am
Our '06 2551S has 2 seatbelts on the couch.  We have taken our grandson (5 1/2) and granddaughter (4) out with no problems.  Their booster seats buckle right in.  Note there are no shoulder harnesses, just lap belts (at least in ours).

George


Title: Re: Still here
Post by: mciai2000 on May 15, 2012, 01:14:20 pm
Gary:

Can't help on the Max air.

 The rear view camera is a must but I am not a fan of the new video screen in the rear view mirror.  It is too little a screen and you have to dial up the brightness to see anything.  On my 2010 2350 we had the big screen and that was great. Keep in mind I am in my 40's and do not wear glasses and that screen is too little.  I plan on splicing in a big screen for the rear camera.  There is a thread on here about the rear view mirror cameral you can check out. 

David


Title: Re: Still here
Post by: Gary on May 15, 2012, 11:42:58 pm
Thanks for all the info, the reason I asked about the side view cams is I think it'll be easy for kc (DW) to calm her nerves when she is driveing and changeing lanes.



Gary


Title: Re: Still here
Post by: Bob Mahon on May 16, 2012, 10:39:40 am
If you are serious about having 3 cameras, I suggest you go onto eBay and search rear view camera systems. When you come across a product offered by Leviathan Holdings, consider it. I've bought from the guy a few times and have never regretted it (the 7" monitor is great and the cameras are very high quality). 2o2

I'll be installing a system I bought from him (my 3rd) on our unit and it will mount to the existing mirror pad on the windshield. (yahoo)


Title: Re: Still here
Post by: Gary on May 16, 2012, 05:48:45 pm
Thanks, found it and have saved it.


Title: Re: Still here
Post by: Bob Mahon on May 16, 2012, 07:13:52 pm
Very welcome, Gary. Be safe out there.


Title: Re: Still here
Post by: Gary on May 22, 2012, 03:08:43 am
Yet another question,

while looking on different sites and reading different forums I have seen people saying that the more water you have in the black tank, the better it is to drain.
What I haven't seen though is how much water to have in there, I can't see having a 23-35 gal. cap. and having most of that with just water, how much do you guys use and what do you use to brake down the ...............well crap.

Kc (dw) would like a sat. dish, I have seen others say that if they could do it over again they wouldn't have the regular tv Antenna & Booster. Can you get local on a sat. dish ro do you need the regular tv too ?

Gary


Title: Re: Still here
Post by: ron.dittmer on May 22, 2012, 09:44:24 am
while looking on different sites and reading different forums I have seen people saying that the more water you have in the black tank, the better it is to drain.  What I haven't seen though is how much water to have in there,
Flood the gray into the black, then drain.  It is very easy to do that with the Sanicon setup.


Title: Re: Still here
Post by: TomHanlon on May 22, 2012, 10:04:19 am
while looking on different sites and reading different forums I have seen people saying that the more water you have in the black tank, the better it is to drain.
What I haven't seen though is how much water to have in there, I can't see having a 23-35 gal. cap. and having most of that with just water, how much do you guys use and what do you use to brake down the ...............well crap.
Boy this tread is sure jumping around to many different subjects. In regards to the amount of water in the black tank, everything I have read/heard is that it is best to be 3/4 full before dumping. When out for extended time I try to follow this rule, but for weekend trips I dump just before heading home. With the new flushout connections, I also flush both tanks. I always leave about a bowl full of water in the black tank. The one thing you do not want is the "dreaded cone" forming under the bowl in the black tank. The water moving around the bottom of the tank as I travel helps to insure a clean tank.

As for the chemicals, I use a good name brand "GREEN" chemical, no formaldehyde. Odorless is one of the top brands and it helps to control the oder also.


Title: Re: Still here
Post by: Gary on May 22, 2012, 12:31:33 pm
Thanks Ron and Tom :)

What I was wondering was how many galions do you start out with in the black tank before you leave on a trip, or do you add water before you use it. Ie do I add 5 gal. before I leave home.

Sorry for jumping around with the questions.


Gary


Title: Re: Still here
Post by: ragoodsp on May 22, 2012, 01:00:01 pm
I would not put much more than a gallon plus your chemicals in....do be very careful in regrads to the "cone" build up!!!  You are asking some great questions.  Thanks


Title: Re: Still here
Post by: ron.dittmer on May 22, 2012, 01:22:12 pm
I think Gary has been focused on a 2350.  If true, consider this.  The 2350 has the bigger tank assigned to black tank duties given the proximity between toilet and tank.  The smaller tank is for everything else.  You would never get near filling the black tank during normal usage so feel free to add whatever amount of fresh water you think best in there just after a dumping.

You'll be flooding the black with the gray whenever primitive camping, but as shared by others, you want something inside to begin with, just as not to develop a poop cone.

Or do as we do and poop elsewhere.  For us it has to do with sewer gas, storing the motor home in the garage at home under our master bedroom.  No poop, no gas.  That is after a bleach cleaning and flush at the end of every season.  No odors of any kind.


Title: Re: Still here
Post by: bigbadjc on May 22, 2012, 02:19:44 pm
Although I prefer to dwell on sno cones or ice cream cones, one thing you might want to try if you have a morbid fear of poop cones is to do something you ought to do occasionally anyway.  On your way out of the house to go camping or to put you unit in storage, dump the ice maker contents from your home fridge into the RV toilet.  Then as you drive it a few miles, you will bombard the poop cone with ice to break it down, then dilute it with water as the ice melts.  You'll also be making a bin of fresh ice that's not all stuck together as they get if you don't empty them.  By the way, when I was in VietNam years ago we sent Seabee Teams out to the local villages to build collection tanks for "night soil" (Asian for poop) that would then evolve out methane gas into a piping system that was used to provide gas to a burner in the local sick bay or to gas light fixture.  It's really a nice resource.  And Ron, you know some stuff, but in my and my wife's case, one of the main reasons we like RV travel is NOT having to walk to a campground bath house on a dark rainy night to poop. 


Title: Re: Still here
Post by: ron.dittmer on May 22, 2012, 03:05:19 pm
And Ron, you know some stuff, but in my and my wife's case, one of the main reasons we like RV travel is NOT having to walk to a campground bath house on a dark rainy night to poop.
 I realize many people think we are nuts when it comes to this one.  I never strongly advise anyone follow our method, only sharing our method as an alternative.  I wonder if our method works for us because nature calls in that manner to both of us just once or twice per day (never night) so it's easy to incorporate our twisted ways.


Title: Re: Still here
Post by: lghjr on May 22, 2012, 04:39:56 pm
Uh, not my first rodeo, but in 30+ years of a rv'ing lifestyle I have never heard of a "poop cone".  Can someone please enlighten me.  Inquiring minds want to know.



Title: Re: Still here
Post by: kevin on May 22, 2012, 04:52:50 pm
Could be the poop cone pile is really a pile of paper & poop - sort of pooper mache.  :-D :-D :-D such as what happens below an outhouse.

As my Pappy said..."...if you don't eat it first, don't put it in here..."

kevin


Title: Re: Still here
Post by: TomHanlon on May 22, 2012, 05:48:50 pm
If you poop down a small hole like in the bottom of the toilet and let it just sit there it will get hard. Then if you do it again and again, it starts to build up into a cone shape. Once the cone reaches up to the bottom of the hole and plugs the hole you are in deep trouble. >( If you keep water in the bottom of the tank the poop will float around and out of the way of the next load. Some people put ice in the tank and drive around to break up any poop stuck to the bottom of the tank. When I worked at the RV dealer, the new tech in the shop always got the job of removing this cone when a customer showed up with a plugged toilet. He had to take a long pole to chip away at the cone while trying to get water on it to dissolve it. The cost to the customer was about $75 an hour and it could take two or three hours.  (exactly)

Ron, since we always dump before heading home and keep water in the bottom of the bowl, we do not need to worry about gas build up. Does the 2007 PC have the clean out spray for the tanks like the current models?


Title: Re: Still here
Post by: Gary on May 22, 2012, 10:44:51 pm
Ron, after looking at all the models, we (read DW) have made up our mind on a 2552 or a 2910D, and we've started to make a list of things we would like to have and things we would like to have taken out.

I know about the poop cone, guess I am old I grew up on a farm and we had a "back house", if we messed up we got to "earn our phd" (post hole digger) when we had to move it. We also used old sears "wish books" as tp, hated the glossy pages. Between that and digging cat holes when I was in the Army I'll use the throne as much as I can.


Gary


Title: Re: Still here
Post by: lghjr on May 22, 2012, 11:35:01 pm
Well, okiedokey then, I learned something - intuitively I guess that is why I have always put between 5 and 10 gallons of water in the black tank before going down the road.  Never had to learn of the "poop cone" the hard way (is that a play on words?).  I do remember the old farm steads and the outhouses and the bag of lime that went in about once a month.  Don't remember that it ever came up in conversation there, either. 


Title: Re: Still here
Post by: ragoodsp on May 23, 2012, 10:56:56 am
Gary:

Congrats on making up your mind between the 2552 or 2910.  Having had a 2551S and moving up to the 3100 I can tell you the extra storage that you would get in either the 2552 or 2910 will be well appreciated!  I thought I could make a smaller coach work but I had to comprimise to much...I love the longer wheelbase on the 3100 and you would get on the 2910, ride is much better.  And please tell me that after you will have spend over 5 figures on your new coach that you will use the bathroom to its fullest capabilities!!??  Best of luck, ron


Title: Re: Still here
Post by: ron.dittmer on May 23, 2012, 11:07:37 am
Ron, since we always dump before heading home and keep water in the bottom of the bowl, we do not need to worry about gas build up. Does the 2007 PC have the clean out spray for the tanks like the current models?
Yes our 2007 2350 has the flush hookup for both tanks.

The few times I mentioned we don't poop in our motor home, I always end up regretting that I brought it up.  I have to learn to keep quiet about that one.


Title: Re: Still here
Post by: bobander on May 23, 2012, 11:42:56 am
The few times I mentioned we don't poop in our motor home, I always end up regretting that I brought it up.  I have to learn to keep quiet about that one.

Well, we don't poop in our motor home either, we use the toilet in the back; we also pee in the toilet instead of somewhere else in the motor home.   :-D  :-D  :-D

Really, we love ya Ron!

Bob


Title: Re: Still here
Post by: ron.dittmer on May 23, 2012, 11:53:28 am
Ron, after looking at all the models, we (read DW) have made up our mind on a 2552 or a 2910D, and we've started to make a list of things we would like to have and things we would like to have taken out.
Good for you.

We selected the 2350 back in 2007 for two reasons.
1) It is the biggest thing that can fit in our garage, with only inches to spare in all 3 dimensions.
2) It offers a permanent double bed so my wife and I can sleep together.

Everyone has different priorities.  Also it seems most people with motor homes in general, stay in private or state run places where almost any size rig works well.  We camp most often in more primatve places like BLMs, national forests and national parks & monuments, all where camp sites can be more challenging for the largest rigs.

I have to say that a longer walk-around double or queen bed model would be ideal for us, if it would fit in our garage.  And PC never made such a thing without a slide out.


Title: Re: Still here
Post by: ron.dittmer on May 23, 2012, 11:56:58 am
The few times I mentioned we don't poop in our motor home, I always end up regretting that I brought it up.  I have to learn to keep quiet about that one.
Well, we don't poop in our motor home either, we use the toilet in the back; we also pee in the toilet instead of somewhere else in the motor home.   :-D  :-D  :-D
Really, we love ya Ron!
Bob
Bob, you just kill me.   :)