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1  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: RV Insurance and Extended Warranty Insurance on: October 25, 2016, 09:30:48 pm
BlueBlaze mentions a very important factor in the price of insurance of any kind:  the deductible.  I never have less than $1000 deductible on any insurance policy and on some (roofs since we live in Stormland) I have a higher deductible than that.  The savings is significant.   Now, I fix virtually everything myself and enjoy doing it and that makes a difference.  I would never make a claim on something small even if I had insurance, just out of self reliance to fix it and forget it.  My last vehicular claim was fifteen years ago on a BT Cruiser....a dear deer.  Notice, I carefully said "a million miles without an accident with another vehicle" in the next paragraph. Cheer

We have Safeco insurance on everything and have for 25 years.  I have over a million miles total driving without an accident with another vehicle.   The last time I got a speeding ticket or warning was thirty years ago.  I guess I am just lucky.  But man it sure reflects in the lower payments for insurance.   Where you live, your personal driving record and your credit rating all play a part.  Using  credit rating is controversial, but it is a factor in pricing policies. 

2  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Winterizing on: October 23, 2016, 08:23:05 am
Rdalton, by dump auxiliary valve I meant the 3" conventional sewer valve that can be used to dump if you don't want to use the Sanicom pump system.  It is, essentially, the same valve all RVs have if they do not have a macerator.  Mine is plumbed just ahead of the macerator pump and after the valves on the black and gray tanks.  

Before we bought this PC, we had a Roadtrek 210 and our home  the car garage was built with a nine foot door on the third.   The RT fit in there and no winterizing for yours truly during those years of ownership.  Like Ron, who has the capability of garaging his PC, we would just grin at winterizing.   Now, we have to store the rig in an enclosed RV storage place about three miles from the house and no climate control.   Boy we miss the rig in the garage, but sure do enjoy the extra room of the PC.  

Michelle, I am so sorry you live in San Diego (one of our favorite areas in the country) and miss all this winterizing fun rolling on the floor

3  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: I saw you!! on: October 22, 2016, 01:01:21 pm
You bet I do!  Don't see many of them and that makes it really special.   

In August, we pulled into a commercial campground in Amarillo, Texas just for the night on the way home from several weeks in New Mexico.   I was really excited when a Phoenix Cruiser pulled in right next to us.   Of course, I went over to greet them (an older couple from I forgot where) and I got the coldest reception I ever got in a campground.   So, I retreated to my rig on a very hot August Texas Panhandle late afternoon, took a nap and then took my wife to the Big Texas Steakhouse to watch the tourists go wild and  to watch a German tourist and a guy from Australia on stage trying to finish off the "Free if you can eat it all"  72 ounce steak with all the sides.  They failed, just as I failed in my visit with the next door couple in the PC.   Never had that happen before.   Camping folks are usually pretty outgoing.   

4  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Winterizing on: October 22, 2016, 08:54:47 am
I practice the technique that "more is better".    I blow out the lines as you describe, then I add antifreeze in about twice the quantity that is advised.  Why not?  It only costs a couple of bucks a gallon and I just figure two or three extra gallons is a cheap insurance.  

I find the three drain valves on our PC to work better and more completely drain everything than the drains on any other RV we have ever owned.  They are well positioned and designed.

I have a small "plumber's helper" made for sinks.  I use it to evacuate water in the P traps on all the drains, then add antifreeze into them by pouring about a cup or more into the drain.  I put a goodly amount in the fresh water tank and pump it for a few seconds to make sure the pump is protected.   Also, I open the dump auxiliary drain (leaving the black and gray drains closed since they have some antifreeze in them) and let any excess water in that system drain out.  I leave that drain slightly cracked open all winter.  

I "milk" any excess fluids out of the Sanipump system hose and I leave the black and gray tank flush valves on the Sanipump system in the open position.  

The easiest thing for me to forget is the outside shower hose and head.  I never have used those outside shower connections more than twice in thirty plus years of RVing.  So, it is easy for me to forget.  

When I finish all this procedure, I go into the shop  and drink a cup of coffee and do something else for an hour or two, return to the scene of the crime and go over everything mentally as I look at it to make sure I have done it.   I once developed my own check list and I suggest it is a good idea.  You can keep it by the hot water heater cutoff valve for convenience.  Actually, I don't use the checklist until after I do the work, I guess just to see how much more forgetful I am this year as compared to last year  Help

That reminds me:  I also remove the drain plug on the water heater and leave it out all winter.   Most say that is not necessary, but again  

Paul  (aka the Winterizer Overkiller)
5  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Cooktop Ignitor on: October 18, 2016, 07:45:00 am
Just now seeing these posts and I am ordering today!  By the way, the efficiency of the battery free piezo models seems to decrease with altitude.  Now, I don't know the science behind that statement but it is a pretty well accepted fact among those of us that frequently camp above eight or nine thousand feet.   

Since these things are so relatively inexpensive, it is amazing that most rv stoves don't have them already installed from the manufacturer.

Thanks for the original post and most of all for the pictures of your installation.

6  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Seeking Recommendations For A Compact Inside 110V Heater on: October 17, 2016, 04:16:39 pm
Ron, take a look at this:

I own two Vornado heaters and two Vornado fans.  The advantage of these to me is they are very quiet...and we are light sleepers.  Also, the vortex design eliminates hot and cold spaces by distributing the air over a conical area.  The three heat settings are also convenient.  The disadvantage is they are little larger.  Vornado also makes the "baby" for nursery use but I know nothing about it and have not researched those smaller units. 

The one linked will keep a 12x14 workout room in our home comfortable in below freezing conditions.  Now, that is in a very tight, well insulated home and not a motorhome. 

7  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Ground Clearance of Sewer Drain Outlet and Hydraulic Jacks on: October 15, 2016, 08:58:04 am
Everything in a rv is a compromise.  We have never had any problems with the Sanicom or the clearance....and we most often boondock in the National Forests.   When in doubt about a clearance, I just stop and get out and look.  I think the compromise is that by design and desire a Phoenix Cruiser is lower, more narrow and more sleek than a conventional Class C.  The design element that attracts most of us to the product is therefore inherently compromised on several aspects, including clearance. 

As to the "slinky hose", I carry a new one that has never been used just for safety.  Incidentally, you can buy a piece of 4" plastic pipe and cut it to an appropriate length and use it to store and protect the slinky.  It will just fit in the storage area at the rear of the coach where we store hoses and the electrical cable. 

Yesterday, I went out to the Oklahoma City Fall RV clearance sale which has  area dealers showing units to try and close out before winter.  I went through several conventional Cs and man, they are like boxes on six wheels.  Compared to my PC, it would be like driving a big box of crackers down the road.  But their clearance was no problem because it took an additional step on the entry door to get up into them.  Personal choice, I guess.  By the way, I continue to be shocked at the quality build of  new units of various popular brands compared to the fit and finish of our Phoenix Cruisers. 

8  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Thermostat replacement on: September 21, 2016, 09:32:07 pm
Who says new is better?  I prefer Ron's to the electronic one in our PC.  I had an old Honeywell go out at home and we loved it.  It had two settings only:  one for day and one for night.  Foolproof.  I foolishly bought a new digital to replace it when it went out and there was no day and night only model I could find, so I got the standard seven day model.  It was a nightmare.  I threw it away and bought a digital with only one temp setting.   Like Ron, I never could program the super duper model correctly.

Less is more!

9  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Kicken' the tires on: September 07, 2016, 08:58:51 am
We first saw a PC at an RV show about a dozen years ago, back when they had a dealer network.  Saw another one after a few more years at an RV dealer and looked it over carefully.  

Five years ago, we decided to move from the Class B World to the Class C World.  We researched online for many months and concluded that for our needs the PC 2350 was as close as we could get to our list of "wants".   The size of the tanks was a big consideration since we mostly camp in the boonies.   I took the online drawing of the 2350 and carefully laid out the floor plan in chalk on our driveway.  Now, that my friends is really thinking through the layout!!   I monitored this and other forums for a time, examined all the pictures, videos, etc of all the models and watched some youtube, non Phoenix produced clips featuring PCs.  We monitored  

OK, we will fly up to Chicago on good old Southwest points, pick up a car and drive over to Elkhart to spec out a 2350.  We had carefully gone through the list and figured out most exactly what we did and did not want.  Well, almost simultaneously an eleven month old PC2350 was suddenly listed for sale.....less than five miles from our house.  7700 miles and essentially two trips on that baby.   We called the guy, went over there to meet him an hour later, examined it carefully, checked out who he was (a prominent local home builder retired a few months earlier who now wanted a diesel pusher) and made a deal in less than sixty minutes, closed that day.   Three years later, we are still amazed at this coincidence and have now enjoyed this rig for exactly three years.

Our rig is equipped at a higher level of options than we would have ordered, so we got a lot of "extras" as a bonus.   We couldn't believe our luck.  How many PC 2350s are even made in a year?  I don't know but I do know the number is low.  Very low.

We knew what we wanted. We have had two other Class Cs and three Class Bs over the years and I have done all the coach maintenance on all of them, so I have a pretty good understanding of RV construction and quality.   That allowed us to make a deal in an hour and save a lot of dough compared to a new unit. 

10  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: PC2100 & levelers on: August 23, 2016, 07:49:26 am
We have never had levelers and really don't want them.  Why?  Cost, weight and one more thing to maintain and have problems.  We have always used the Lynx levelers Ron referred to above and I cut a nice set of 2x8 risers capable of lifting the whole rear of a E350 or E450 over six inches.  There are a lot of accessories I had rather spend my money on like solar, good backup cameras, nicer interior, etc.

We almost always camp in NF, BLM and CoE campgrounds and a lot of them are very unlevel.  The Lynx levelers are about $30 a set at Walmart or Amazon and I carry several sets.  We recently spent a few weeks in a remote spot in the mountains of NM and I had five inches to level front to back on one side, three inches on the other and it was no problem at all with the Lynx levelers.  I have two sets that are probably ten years old, have been used a lot on dirt and gravel and still are just fine. 

Think about this:  you can buy a side and front to back bubble level to determine slope for less than ten bucks.  You can buy two sets of Lynx for sixty bucks.  You can cut 2/8s for twenty bucks.  Or, you can spend thousands to push a button. 

Incidentally, we always level pretty exactly.  Not just for the refrig but also for the shower.  A slight drift to starboard allows the shower to drain perfectly. And we don't like to sleep with a slope to the bed.  As to stabilize for blowing, that has just never been an issue for us and we have experienced a lot of windy campgrounds.

Just our experiences.

11  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Ford Transit RV? on: August 19, 2016, 09:52:26 pm
I would like to see PC come out with a new product like that to compete with the Sprinter chassis.   Someday, we will be back in the World of Class B in all probability and I would love to have a PC choice.  If you look at the weight restrictions in Ron's information above, you can understand the limits of the Transit.   I saw a few Transit diesel based units at the Dallas RV show months ago and they were pretty cool. 

12  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Closing front curtains on: August 19, 2016, 09:47:53 pm
On our previous RV, I ordered and installed a product like this:

Installation video:

I do not remember the manufacturer, but ours looked just like this and were specifically ordered for the chassis we had at that time.  They were available for cars, trucks, vans, etc. and as I recall were made in El Paso, but that was ten years ago and no telling where they are now made.  They worked very, very well, retracted instantly and really held up well.  We would then just pull the RV curtains over to cover the side windows and we had complete privacy and access to the whole front of the vehicle.  We were hit by a rock thrown up into our windshield and I called them and they sent me extra mounts for a nominal fee and we had the windshield replaced and reinstalled the shades.   I think before next summer I will order for the E350 chassis for our PC.  They REALLY kept the sun at bay during the heat of the day when we were parked.

13  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Tourer or Destination Camper? on: August 18, 2016, 05:05:34 pm
We spent a total of a month this year off hookups in the National Forest in Northern New Mexico.  We bought a 2350 specifically with this kind of camping in mind.  For the two of us and 55 pounds of Sally Ann the Wonder Dog, it is perfect.  Essentially, we escaped the heat of the plains and came home last weekend to much cooler weather.  The large black tank in the 2350 makes this kind of camping possible.  The 200 watts of solar I put on the roof and the additional 100 I added in a portable setup with a 50 foot cord (since we camp in trees and have limited sun on the roof) allowed us to have great batteries at all times, even during several rain days.  Many NF and BLM campgrounds in the drought of the West allow you to "drip your gray" tank, returning to the earth the water you take from it.

In a few years Sally will be gone and we probably will go back to Class Bs and just tour the country.   BUT, a 2100 would be perfect for that as well and have the luxury of a dry bath and more room in general. 

14  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: New Phoenix Cruiser You Tube on: July 22, 2016, 08:59:51 am
This is a good youtube to watch for any potential buyers. 

It is also a good view for those of us that have PCs.   We researched Cs for almost two years before we bought our PC.  We were heading to the factory to order a 2350 when we found a used one eleven months old.......less than five miles from our home!  Having owned two other Cs and 3 Bs over the years and having converted a new Chevy van into a travel camper back when we had less time, money and sense, I have a great respect for design and construction methodology. 

This video will really confirm all of us on our decisions to own a Phoenix Cruiser.   Let's face the fact that there is a lot of poorly designed and constructed trouble out there in the rv showrooms.  First time buyers will find the truth in that sign that my dad had in his store a half century ago.  "We know others sell for less.  They know what there stuff is worth."

15  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Nitrogen on: July 19, 2016, 09:02:24 am
My 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee came with nitrogen in the tires and the green valve caps indicate nitrogen.   For five years I added regular air to them and never had a problem.  Regular compressed air has nitrogen and oxygen....and water vapor.  The water is the culprit to deteriorate rubber over time.  Also, compressed air will tend to migrate at high temps out of the tire...but unless you are racing at 200mph it isn't enough to matter.   To me, nitrogen is just another of those "sell you somethings"  that sounds sexy and instills fear that after over a century of using pneumatic  tires full of air we will all have disaster if we don't use it.   Sort of like the $400 fabric protector spray or leather conditioner the dealers all like to pedal. 

Give me a break!   rolling on the floor

The most important thing, in my opinion, is to use a compressed air source that is properly maintained and therefore the water is purged from the air tank frequently.  By the way, I bought one of these on sale at Lowes for a hundred bucks and it puts up 150 psi which is great for the PC tires.  Of course, it is to big to be practical to carry in the PC, but I use it for my shop as well as airing our PC and vehicle tires.   HD and Lowes both put them on sale for $100 occasionally.   They are very easy tanks to drain the water and keep clean.   Additionally, they are relatively light weight and well made.


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