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1  Main Forum / General Discussion / Our Phoenix Cruisers compared to other rigs on: February 03, 2016, 08:27:28 pm
Well, it was a beautiful day in Oklahoma with totally clear skies and a high this afternoon in the high 40s and low 50s.   So, I decided to drive over from Oklahoma City to Tulsa (about 100 miles away and mostly turnpike so a quick and easy trip) and go to the Tulsa Boat and RV Show adn grab lunch at a great Lebanese joint that has been there forever. .  Their shows are always in a building on the fairgrounds  that was built in the 1960s and is over 350,000 square feet of open spanned construction.  When it was built in the Sixties, it was the largest unobstructed spanned building in the world.  No pillars and quite a great building for a show.  That is over eight acres of floor space. 

First of all, who would have thought Okies would buy a yacht in Tulsa for over two million bucks?  Well, they sold it.  It was huge.  Buyers buy these things here and then float them down the Arkansas River (at Tulsa's port) and down to the Mississippi and on into the Gulf.  And we thought our toys were expensive!  They had two of them and they just dominated the bass boats, ski rigs etc.    Bet you didn't know Oklahoma has an outlet to the oceans of the world!.

Lots of RVs including Class A, B and C as well as the "usual prisoners" of huge fifth wheels and pull behinds were present.  I post about this because it is always neat to own something you love (our PC 2350) and go look at new rigs, particularly Class Cs like ours.   I looked at a bunch of them today, talked one couple OUT of buying one ...the salesman was to the side, texting of course....by pointing out some inferior quality and design points on what they were looking at in the rig.   It was their first RV.  I wasn't obnoxious about it, just pointed out the features and told them about Phoenix.  They wrote down the website and went home to take a look. 

Isn't it wonderful to own a tried and true design built by a company that obviously cares?   After owning a PC, lets face it:  many of the "competitive" sized and styled Class Cs are inferior in quality and attention to detail.  Most RV manufacturers are now owned by private equity companies or publicly held companies and they simply do not have the quality because their goal is a fraction of a cent of earnings per share a quarter.   How sad.   

Aren't you glad you own a Phoenix Cruiser?   I am!

Paul
2  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2100 Jackknife Couch on: January 17, 2016, 06:52:21 pm
Hi, KatLin and welcome.  I cannot answer your specific question, but I can sympathize with you!  We had a 2003 Gulfstream BT Cruiser with a couch that sounds just about like yours and I can remember the problem of sleeping on it.  

I might suggest you call Phoenix at the factory and talk to them about this matter.  They have an excellent reputation for customer service and could probably tell you the changes in the couches back then compared to now on that specific model of coach.  I don't know how far you are from Elkhart, Indiana but I notice you live in Pennsylvania so it may not be an unreasonable distance if you live in the western part of the state.  It might, after talking to the factory, be worth the trip to go over to the factory and actually try out the newer model couches.  

In our model 2013 model 2350 we have a great sofa that is really twin recliners (almost) that electrically articulate to a flat position for sleeping and it is really comfortable.   So, if they use the same thing in the 2100 series now, it would be much better than your jackknife  I am sure.   The schematic online shows a trifold couch and I assume it would be much better and improved from years ago.   Just call the factory and visit with them and see what you can find out.  

Paul
3  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: short time storage on: January 05, 2016, 08:51:14 am
This is an interesting thread to follow and is really educational to me.  Thanks to all.

It seems to me that no two owners need to do exactly the same thing.  The most important criteria is:  where do you live and store your PC?  If you live in a climate that routinely provides a warmer or even non freezing environment much less is obviously required.   Live in an area that sees temps down below freezing for days and days.....lots to be done. 

I live in an area that experiences extremes.  Our summer highs sometimes break 100 and many winter days are down in the teens or lower.  Normally.  I don't know what normal really is any more, but over time that is true.  We can have twenty for a high one day and fifty degrees two or three days later.  So, I always fully winterize our RV.  It is stored inside an enclosed rented space without heat.  About every thirty days during the late fall and winter when all the lines have been blown and antifreeze pumped into (hopefully) every millimeter of piping and plumbing, I take it out of storage on a nice day and drive about fifty or sixty miles to exercise the generator (put under a load) and just to exercise the mechanics of the vehicle itself.  I never use a trickle charge and never have a problem.  Years ago on another Class C we owned, I put a couple of these little gadgets on both battery sources:

http://www.cjponyparts.com/battery-master-on-off-switch-universal/p/HW656/?gclid=CLvav8bmksoCFUhcfgodY4QCBQ

You can buy them much cheaper at Walmart or on Amazon.  They worked for me just fine and were in total compliance with the KISS admonition.  They do eliminate parasitic power drains but also, of course, default all the vehicle electronics when the chassis battery is disconnected.

If I was going to have to store my rig outside without protection from the elements, I think I would do a lot more than I have to do now.   My house has a third garage with a nine foot door and our previous rv, a class B Roadtrek, fit perfectly in there and spent its lucky life in HVAC comfort.  When I sold it, I got a quick sale and a good price because of the fact it looked so perfect.  I know Ron on this forum has his 2350 in a garage in his home and that is the ultimo solution for sure!!

Paul
4  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Another PC hits the road on: December 20, 2015, 03:02:53 pm
I simply could not tolerate the dual three legged beasts that we always seemed to be messing with and tripping over when they were in use.  So, I tried a modification that has worked well for us.

First, I removed both of the pedestal tube receivers from the back of the table.  I took one and remounted it in the dead center of the table.  Then, I cut a 24 inch circle of 3/8 inch birch plywood and mounted the other receptacle in the dead center of the circle, after first sanding and staining the plywood to match the wood floors in our PC.  Next, I covered the backside of the plywood with a bit of no slip material like most of us use on our shelves to keep stuff from sliding around.

We store the round plywood disc behind the euro chair, place it on the floor and use one tube to create a single pedestal table which is satisfactorily stable and which does not cause us to trip.  When in use and we are setting on the couch, the tube is comfortably between our pairs of legs and not in the way or a hazard.  I put the two fold up tripods in my shop along with the second tube in case the next buyer of our rig wants them. 

Also, we carry a single TV folding table to use for small snacks and other purposes.  The mount I made is so much easier to use, is adequately stable and much less intrusive when in use and stores easily.   The secret to the stability is the fact that the base is round and slightly larger than the width of the table.

Paul
5  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Another PC hits the road on: December 19, 2015, 06:15:51 pm
Does PC still use the table with the two legs and the folding up tripod bases for each leg?  I am curious if that has changed since my 2350 came out in 2013.

Paul
6  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Water pressure on: December 16, 2015, 01:14:47 pm
I am very interested in this thread because I have the same problem on our 2350:  low pressure when hooked up to city water.  Pressure is fine when using the pump and water from the tank.  It was this way since we got our unit from its previous owner, who had only had it 11 months. 

I can't figure out the problem.   I thought it was a defective or blocked check valve in the intake fixture, but I replaced it and it did seem to help but only slightly.  I pressure checked by pressure regulator on my water hose.  At our house, we have 75-80 psi water from the city to our outside spigots and I have 40 psi at the end of my rv hose after going through the regulator.  Perfect.  BUT, I still get about 60% as much pressure at the sinks and shower as I do on the pump.  I traced the input pipe from its entry back until it went into the Never Land of the wall, hoping to find a crimp.  I can find nothing but quality connections and no crimps anywhere.   Since the pump and water is under the bed on the 2350, I guess I should remove the bedding and the support chipboard and take a peak under there.  Maybe I missed something. 

I am totally unfamiliar with the four way valve referenced in the post above by Pax.  I don't believe I have such a valve on my model and would love to know where it is located on Pax's rig. 

Paul
7  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Full timing in a 2350? on: December 12, 2015, 07:43:44 pm
Joseph is spot on.  We met a couple two years ago in a National Forest Campground out in the middle of no where in Colorado. They were fulltiming in a Roadtrek 210P.  The guy was a retired university prof from Florida and he had completely customized his rig with several hundred watts of solar.  He also had designed and built himself a little 12 volt wind generator and a telescoping pole that put it up about 15 feet or so.  He had a big hitch storage arrangement with all sorts of neat stuff he carried.  Huge inverter and he had enlarged the battery capacity to several batteries to feed it.  Fascinating guy and gal, both in their 50s and early retirees.   They had sold their home in Florida, put their "stuff" in a storage place and were committed to two years of living in the Roadtrek.   His rig looked like an airplane with the solar, which looked to me like it was a total array about the size of a regular sized mattress.  He had designed a mount for it on the roof that was an engineering miracle, IMO.   Claimed no instability problems going down the road.

Now, a Class B van camper with a wet bath gets pretty crowded.  I know. We owned the exact same unit and often spent two weeks in it mostly boondocking.   No toad required.  To each his own.  Me?  I would go nuts in such a rig for a long period of time.  The couple from FL seemed perfectly happy and excited about their adventure. 

So, I agree with Joseph:  to each his own.

Paul
8  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: PC 3100 and PC 2351 Owners ... purchase dilemma on: November 26, 2015, 05:43:09 pm
The questions you ask are the very reasons why we own a 2350, the just a foot smaller model to the 2351.  Candidly, I can't personally imagine trying to hassle 31 feet of motor home in not many but most of the places we go, including national parks, BLM, NF, etc.  And pulling over to view something would be just a bridge too far for me in anything that long.  Others may share a very different opinion and experience, but we own a smallish Class C because of all those considerations.  AND, I certainly can't imagine doing that kind of exploring without a towed vehicle with a 31 footer.  Just our experience and opinion.

Paul
9  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Would like to check out your Phoenix Cruiser 2350 near Los Angeles on: November 26, 2015, 08:42:29 am
I can't help you because I live half a country away from you!  But, I can tell you this:   we moved from a Roadtrek 210P to a PC 2350 and love the extra room. 

We feel like we are in a suite compared to a small room.   We do miss our RT for maneuverability and parking.  We have to tow to have a run around vehicle.  We find the 2350 great for the two of us for extended trips, but miss the Roadtrek for day trips.  If you are going to full time, some do it in Roadtreks but the 2350 would be perfect for someone that doesn't mind a smaller rig and all its benefits.   Personally, if we didn't need all the junk for boondocking and extended stays we would take a close look at the 2100 PC.  It looks like a Roadtrek on steroids. 

Paul
10  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: NewJeep Cherokee on: November 23, 2015, 10:37:36 am
No problems with our 2014 Cherokee Trailhawk.   We have now towed it about 6000 miles or so and it has never had a problem.  Never been back to the dealer, but there are a couple of minor recalls that parts are now available to fix at the dealers and I will take it in between Thanksgiving and Christmas.   We bought this for my wife to drive and to tow behind our PC2350.   I have nothing to report but good results with this Jeep, which is the sixth one we have owned (Cherokees and Grand Cherokees over the years) and in many ways, this one is the best yet. 

Paul
11  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Dip stick on: November 13, 2015, 01:30:00 pm
Dave, I don't know what you are missing but I do know that I have trouble reading them on all my vehicles.  Not surmountable trouble, but you would think there would be a better way given the technology that exists today.  Push a button:  tire pressure in each tire.   Dip stick:  not much change from my 1940 Dodge.  Easier on my Dodge because oil got dirty very quickly and was then easy to read.  Now, it is clear as a bell after many thousand miles.   Maybe that adds to the difficulty. 

Maybe there is and we just don't know about it?

Paul
12  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Need The Strength Of "THE HULK" To Work Your Shower Head? If So, Read This. on: November 08, 2015, 08:31:00 am
Ron, we have been gone for a week in our 2350 enjoying the fall weather and I am just now reading these posts.  You wrote:

I now have time for it for I got laid off last Tuesday from Motorola Solutions after 38 years there.  It really was perfect timing.  I got a nice severance package which I considered to be a very nice parting gift.  I am a free man now like most of you are so these little projects are play time for me.

Let me just add my congratulations to those of others posted on this forum.  Although I must admit I occasionally miss the action of my former life, I feel blessed to no longer be a participant in the daily work scene.  Like me, you seem to have a lot of interests and things to bring joy to your life.  I am familiar with your church and the leadership it has brought to church life in reorienting much of America.  What a great opportunity to stay involved and active!   Somewhere along the way, we tend to let life become our work instead of a resource to increase the joy of our life.  It is a much different corporate world than you entered almost forty years ago.  I am so glad to be able to get up every day and do pretty well what I want to do without the burden of having to constantly respond to the demands of the workplace. 

For some, this transition is easy and for some it is not so easy.  I have learned enough about you from your postings to know it will be a blessing to your life to have more of the most fleeting commodity on this planet:  time. 

Congratulations and enjoy the journey!   Lots of places out there in this country and time to experience, not just see them, is a gift. 

Paul
13  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Winterizing on: November 02, 2015, 08:40:45 am
Excellent!  Thank you so much and thanks to Tom to helping on this list.

I might add as a corollary to 10 (a) that I tend to forget the kitchen dish sprayer hose and head.  I don't know why, but I always seem to have a woops moment about the third time I check everything after completing the entire winterizing process. 

Again, thanks.  I will print out this list and keep it in the manuals in the rig. 

Paul
14  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: RV Insurance and Extended Warranty Insurance on: November 01, 2015, 09:46:48 am
 A lot of good points and viewpoints are being presented in this very interesting thread.  Several things come to my mind including that each of us has different skill and comfort levels to make repairs ourselves.  We each use our rigs differently and some are older than others.  So, each of our viewpoints is important.

I would make my "2 AM sweaty palms" comment:  if it is something that is going to worry you and take away your comfort and enjoyment of your RV, don't do it!  

Personally, I am totally comfortable without a warranty but I think there are a lot of us that should have one to fully enjoy worry free travel.  I enjoy the maintenance aspect of our rig and repairs are simply a part of the hobby for me.  I enjoy working on the thing!   I have been exceedingly fortunate in that I have taken only one rig in all my years of rving to a dealer for a repair.  I will not touch the chassis but that is another matter.  I do take the Ford part to a local shop I have been doing business with for thirty years and they have two bays for RVs under 30 feet to do chassis work.  I took the PC to a local independent rv repair shop  to have a towing/braking system installed because I don't know come here from sic 'em about doing that and didn't want to risk my life or someones life on my Billy Bob installation.

A service warranty is simply an insurance policy, no more and no less.  You have to read the fine and very fine print and think about it before you purchase.  Folks often get surprised when they find out a need is not covered under the extended warranty.  

The risk of not having a warranty is quantifiable.  How many years have you had your rig, how many more do you expect to keep it, how well do you maintain it and how many miles do you drive it?  How much out of pocket risk can you assume?  If for example, you had a $800 a year premium and hadn't used the warranty in five years you could have saved four grand.   Personally, I have a $1000 deductible on all my insurance policies.  In essence I self insure for the first grand.   To me, insurance is to cover the "biggies" I can't afford or control and the liability that is always present.  Having spent fifty years in finance, I finally figured out my Finance 101 professor was mostly right:  fear and greed where money is concerned are the only two emotions.  My greed just keeps me from turning over those extra bucks to an insurance company.   My fear always causes me to wonder if I am making a mistake by not doing that, so we are back to the first question:  what is your PERSONAL comfort level?  

Just my thoughts since like a lot of us I got us an hour earlier today LOL

Paul
15  Main Forum / Around the Campfire / Re: Traveling without our PC on: October 29, 2015, 09:05:27 am
Beautiful Ohio!  

We are heading out next week for Mount Magazine State Park over in Arkansas.  We have been there several times and usually make it our final PC trip of the year before blowing out the lines, filling them full of pink and taking all the freezable stuff out of the rig.  The foliage is usually very attractive there and we often drive the "Pig Trail" which is a state highway from that area all the way up to almost the Missouri line.  Lots of great maples and sweetgum along the way.  Only in Arkansas would they officially call it "Pig Trail".   By the way, Arkansas really solicits and supports tourism and it is a beautiful state, mostly undiscovered by people outside this area of the country.   Their state parks are absolutely second to none and the topography in much of the state is reminiscent of much of Vermont and New Hampshire.

We have had motor homes for a lot of decades now, but we still enjoy "fly and drives" and do them also.  We love both ways of travel.  Those bags and suitcases got a lot more compatible with my temper when we discovered these and we use them in our PC as well.  We have several each and find they really do organize stuff.   We were in Vermont this month for a fly and drive of almost two weeks and they really kept stuff organized.  

http://www.amazon.com/eBags-Large-Packing-Cubes-Denim/dp/B0013KGG90/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1446123603&sr=8-2&keywords=suitcase+bags

These eBags come in all sizes and colors.  I find the medium and large perfect and it is amazing how much stuff will go in the large one and how well and wrinkle free things stay.  

Paul
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