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1  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Communication Problems with Phoenix Cruiser Staff on: April 20, 2018, 07:37:18 am
We first were attracted to Phoenix Cruisers by that green color.  I always wonder when you have something really unique like that color, it is done away with and is no more.   Same in all vehicles.  It seems most new cars and SUVs today are white, silver, grey or black.  Me?  My Jeep Grand Cherokee is bright red.  We would have selected a green PC over any other color if we were buying today and it was available.  I don't know if we belong to a distinct minority or if it is just easier to mass produce shades of grey in vehicles.   To each his own.  BUT, when ordering full body paint on a custom coach I don't know why you couldn't have purple if you want it???

2  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: My 2301 Crusier on: April 08, 2018, 10:03:13 am
I was not familiar with a 2301 so I googled and found an old add from PPL, the big Houston consignment dealer.   I looked through their pictures and it looks almost identical to our 2013 PC 2350.   I bet you could take a look at 2350 specs here on the PC website and get a pretty good idea of specs for yours. 

3  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Tiny grey tank issue on: April 07, 2018, 04:58:57 pm
We boondock for several weeks at a time in the Rockies to escape the July and August heat.  We bought our 2350 for many reasons but the 35 gallon black tank was a big selling point.  Look at the specs on other brands for a length of 23-25 foot coach and mostly you will find smaller tanks.   The ability to easily switch and use the black for additional gray can come in useful.  

I designed and installed 200 watts of solar on our rig.   It is a simple system with no bells and whistles, just a couple of 100 watt Renogy panels from Amazon on the roof, a bit of solar cable and a small controller.  After one summer of using this and finding it satisfactory but loving to park mostly in shady areas, I bought an additional 100 watt flexible panel and hook it up with 50 feet of outdoor landscaping cable which simply plugs into a weatherproof receptacle wired to the system and located at the rear of PC.   I take that panel and move it around two or three times during the day to accommodate sun and shade location.   With this we are usually good for two weeks "off grid".    I don't find moving the panel during the day a hassle and kind of enjoy watching the voltage meter I installed jump up  Cheer.

4  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Boom times in Elkhart on: April 05, 2018, 06:25:05 pm
Very interesting video.  This reminds me so much of the economy over the years in Oklahoma City before we diversified away from an oil dependent economy.   We had an oil bust in the mid 80s and it took most of fifteen years to get back.   A few years ago, oil prices went up well north of a hundred bucks a barrel and we were rolling in the dough and then it fell into the twenties.   That roller coaster took us from unemployment of 4% to up to 6.4% in Oklahoma City but we quickly recovered and now it is less than four and reliably stays there.   We learned our lesson two or three times and spent twenty years expanding corporate HQs, aviation, tech and so on and now the oil business is still very important but not a killer to us when it goes south.  

That is much easier to do in an MSA this size (1,400,000) than a smaller area like Elkhart.  I wish them luck.   Been there and experienced that boom bust fear.  

With low interest rates and 10,000 Baby Boomers arriving daily no wonder RV demand is so high.   Campgrounds we used to just drive to and get our favorite site now require real planning and reservations and that includes the state parks and COE lakes and streams.    In high demand season, we just enjoy our home and air conditioning and consider that flexibility to be the true prize of retirement.  

Reading several RV forums and looking at the production/sales graph in the video gives me a really valid explanation of why so many buyers seem to have so many problems with new rigs compared to a few years ago when manufacturers were hanging on and just keeping their best employees and turning out a lot fewer rigs.   It seems supply and demand always have control of quality.  

5  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Earl Robbins last day: Friday March 30 2018 on: March 29, 2018, 12:35:38 pm
I never met Earl but I talked to him a few times about PCs.   Then, we found our 2350 eleven months old for sale less than 5 miles away and bought it instantly.  I must say, we were sold on PC because of Earl's very detailed videos and his narration.  We were preparing to fly up to Elkhart and work with Earl when we found our rig almost literally down the street from our home.   I doubt if we would have pursued PC if it hadn't been for those videos and his matter of fact presentation.

6  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Ladder on: March 24, 2018, 06:24:12 pm
We considered a 2100 before buying our 2350 but the exterior storage was a problem for us.   I think if I had a 2100 I would probably add a hitch storage unit of some kind.  I used one  on our Roadtrek 210P for years and it is amazing how much you can safely and securely store on one.  It does add a bit to the length but its overall dimensions are not really obtrusive.  Mainly, we used it when we were going to a destination place for a week or so, usually out in the boonies and we would simply secure it when we got there by using a short heavy chain and padlocking it to a tree, bear pole or such.   Here is similar to what we had:

and sometimes we used one of these on the carrier (but a smaller model).  They are made by Rubbermaid and are rainproof and pretty durable.

I would have loved to have had one of these but the arrangement on the Roadtrek of the continental spare storage would not allow it to work without some serious extenders that I just didn't want to use.  Plus I was too durn tight to pay that much.

Just an idea.   I never was too keen on hanging a chair or chairs or water hoses, etc. from the ladder because it just looks so tacky to me and could be pretty easily ripped off if it didn't fall off in the first place.  


7  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Thetford toss ins (drop ins) on: March 19, 2018, 12:04:00 pm
I just stick with the old tried and true.  I have used this for at least twenty years and never had a problem of any kind, including odor.
8  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Motor Home vs. Travel Trailer on: March 15, 2018, 09:51:24 am
We have always had Class C and B motorhomes.   Prior to purchasing our PC four years ago we were going to buy a small travel trailer for boondocking a couple of weeks or even a month at a time.   We wanted a light weight trailer 25 feet long or so and researched them extensively.  In the last few years light weight travel trailers have really come into vogue because they can be towed with a properly equipped SUV.   I drive a Jeep Grand Cherokee with the towing package and it has a 7200 pound towing capacity  and a 1000 pound tongue weight limit and a big ole Hemi engine.   We found some really nicely designed trailers around 4500 dry weight.
Many things were the final detractions to the trailer idea.

(1)  We have always had a dog and always travel with our little friend.   No go in a trailer, although we could have just used the back of the SUV for Sally Ann the Wonder Dog.   You simply can't travel with a  dog in a trailer for all the obvious reasons.  

(2)  These light weight trailers are light weight because of the way they are built and everything in them is flimsy compared to most Class Cs.   If you get a nice trailer you will be looking at a lot of weight and a big pickup to pull it.  

(3)  Ability to use the house of a motorhome going down the road or for making pull overs to rest stops.  Others have elaborated on that topic.

(4)  Safety.   While we were looking and thinking about all this, a couple who lived in a small town about forty miles down the road from us had just retired.  They bought a nice trailer and headed out for a summer of camping in the Rockies.  On the way to their destination in Colorado they pulled over to take a break just off I-40 outside Santa Rosa, New Mexico.  They were approached and then attacked by three men who ended up killing them and stealing their trailer and tow vehicle after dumping their bodies in the bareness of the Eastern New Mexico desert country.   They had escaped from a prison in Arizona a few days earlier.   Now, that could have happened anywhere to anybody under any circumstances.   The ability to just have your doors locked, pull off the highway for a rest or lunch and never having to leave your
coach became pretty darn appealing to us after that incident was in the news and the ensuing manhunt was constantly in the national news for a few weeks before they were captured.

(5)  Heat.  We live in a part of the country that can experience real heat in the summer.   A trailer going down the road can quickly reach 120 F or more ambient temp in just a few minutes.  

(6)  No generator.  Yes, you can rig one on the back (often after you reinforce the bumper).    AND, you have to break camp, hook up and take off to dump your tanks if you are out in the wilds we enjoy.

(7)  Unless you are proficient in pulling a trailer, think about backing the thing into a tight campsite while all your new best friends stand there and grin. Embarrassed  If you have not pulled a trailer in the past you might find a big empty parking lot near your home and spend the next several Sundays giving yourself backing instructions.
chandelier  There is more I could list, but it is a beautiful spring day and guess what I am doing this morning:   dewinterizing my Phoenix Cruiser and rejoicing that we didn't buy a trailer.

9  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Good bye Phoenix family on: March 08, 2018, 07:35:20 am
Tom, I suspect we are all curious what B you selected for your upcoming travels.   I came to Phoenix Cruisers from the B World and have owned four of them over the years.   

When we were researching PC, I followed your posts with interest and you were instrumental in our purchase of our 2350.   As I recall we both pull a Trailhawk  Cherokee behind our PCs. 

10  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Jumbo Sprinter B vans on: February 28, 2018, 05:42:08 pm
The are REEEAAALL proud of them babies!    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

11  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: RV toilet paper on: February 24, 2018, 07:18:40 pm
We buy two ply rv toilet paper at Walmart.   

Since 2006 I have had an rv ( PC and Roadtrek) with a macerator pump and I have never, ever had a problem with the pump getting stopped up.  Never.  I don't worry about toilet paper but we are mindful of hair going down the shower drain because that will lock a pump faster than degradable paper ever would or could.   We have a small screen designed to fit over the drain in the shower specifically designed to catch hair.   They cost three or four bucks and you can buy them at most places like HD or Lowes. 

Personally, I have always meticulously maintained our various motorhomes for thirty five years of enjoying them but we bought them to use and we use them.   Everything on them.  We have used  campground showers once in all of our years of rving.  That is why we have a motorhome - to have our own shower, food, toilet and bed. 

12  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Auto Step Issue on: February 21, 2018, 10:33:46 pm
I had that same problem.   As others suggested, just grab the pushbutton and twist it back and forth like we used to wind a watch (I guess you have to be a certain age to understand that example).   Then, spray the pushbutton with WD40 or silicon spray to make sure it doesn't stick as it goes back and forth.   They are notorious for causing this problem and twisting /lubrication is on my annual maintenance list for springtime getting ready for camping season.   

13  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Gravity Fill for Freshwater Tank on: February 21, 2018, 01:02:45 pm was Jim not Ron that posted the filler link.   Like Jim, I have also used these for a long time.  I might add that I always put the end of the tubing on a new one into the fire on the stove top for a few quick seconds to sort of round off the edges to make sure it absolutely will slide down into the fill hose and not nick it.  Probably overkill, but an ounce of prevention......or something like that.

14  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Gravity Fill for Freshwater Tank on: February 21, 2018, 11:48:55 am
When we got our 2350 we experienced the same slow fill problem.  I checked the hose going from the fill to the tank and the air relief hose from the tank back up to the fill.  It is a piece of small clear tubing ( 1/2 inch as I recall) on our PC.   It was cut about two inches too short and thus had a kink in it that restricted the relief of the air.   That two inch savings of hose cost me having to remove the corner bed and the underlying support panels, a trip to HD for a few feet of the same hose and then reinstalling it.   I think the hose was 20 cents a foot or something like that and is just another example of how carelessness during construction can cause a real problem for the owner. 

Another method to use is to take the gadget in Ron's link (above) and tape a little length of 1/4 inch tubing (like you use for drip irrigation) to the filler tube on Ron's gadget.  Make it a little longer than the tubing on the gadget and thus any air that accumulates in the fill hose going to the tank can be evacuated. 

By the way, this fill problem has been a problem for me on three different rigs by three different manufacturers over the years.  It seems so simple to design and install correctly.  Like stated in a post above, water doesn't flow up hill on its own accord.  Of course, I can say that not being an engineer Embarrassed !!

15  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Spare Tire on: February 05, 2018, 11:53:34 am
No spare seems to be the trend in cars but I would not be comfortable without one in a motorhome.  We spend some time in places where there is no cell service and I just can't imagine driving without a spare.  Call me old fashioned.  

Or, maybe just call me a guy that has had to change one of those big tires himself because there was no alternative.  Or, try buying a matching tire to replace one of your six when you are away from home.

Save weight?  A 16 inch E rated tire and wheel probably weigh about 60-65 pounds as I recall.  About what eight gallons of gray tank sewage weighs.   After all, these start out as TRUCKS (assuming Ford chassis models).  Surely 65 pounds is not that critical.   Like the old ad said "Don't leave home without it" at least for me.  

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