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1  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Bathroom door hinge problems on: May 30, 2016, 03:50:37 pm
Upon close examination, I think you are correct, Gail.  The wall is about an inch thick.  It may well be a piece of wood with the plywood on the outside and the bath wall on the inside.  In any event, the small diameter and shortness of the screws is just apparently inadequate for the weight.  Mine are now supported by  #8 woodscrews 3/4 inches long.

By the way, I checked the mirror screws this morning and about half of them were loose.   Now, any rv going down the road can loosen things up over time  but was surprised how quickly these caused a problem because when we bought the rig I spent a full day just making sure everything was ship shape.  


2  Main Forum / General Discussion / Bathroom door hinge problems on: May 29, 2016, 09:02:00 pm
I noticed today while getting ready for a trip that the bathroom door seemed a little difficult to easily close.  No wonder!  The top hing had completely come loose from the wall where it attaches the door.   This door has a mirror on it and after looking at the floorplans on the PC home page it appears several models may have the same door.   

Here is the problem:  the door is attached with only three hinges and they are CABINET HINGES.  Each hinge has only two small cabinet screws to secure to the wall.  Since the backboard in the walls is only slightly thicker than a sheet of paper, that is a lot of weight for the two screws on each hinge to support.  The top hinge had completely lost its two screws and I found them on the floor far back in a corner.   The center hinge was being supported by two screws which were very loose and the bottom hinge where the torque of opening would be least were both a little loose. 

I was shocked that a piano hinge had not been used, although I confess I never really thought about it much until this discovery.   Looking at a couple of the youtube tours on line from the site for various models, I saw some with cabinet hinges and at least one appeared to have a piano hinge. 

I suggest you check the mounting of your door.   Since we are getting ready to be in the rig a few days I screwed in a couple of oversized screws and will probably add two more cabinet hinges when we get back home.   That alone would reduce the weight distribution significantly.    I suspect it would be a real riot to be going down the road and the door fall off.  Or any other time for that matter.................

3  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: A Billion Questions (2100/2400) on: May 27, 2016, 05:14:20 pm
Kate, for what it worth.....I think what you are planning to do is more than cool!   I wish I could have  done something like that when I was your age but it wasn't the nature of my job to do it.    GO FOR IT!


4  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: A Billion Questions (2100/2400) on: May 26, 2016, 07:24:36 pm
Given the size of the investment and the modifications you desire, I would really encourage you to (1) call the PC factory and talk to them about your mods and (2) go to Hershey and spend a couple of days looking at the rigs.  On line is great, but seeing something in person will always be better for the three dimensional realization of what you are thinking about.  Holograms?  Grin  Nah, you can't smell the materials, see the true colors and chat with people that know about these things.   A five hour drive is a small price to pay to really understand what you are spending the big bucks to buy.  Besides that, any RV show is a lot of fun.

I think the 2100 is really a neat rig.  We have had Class Bs and it is a real step up, space wise, from a true B.  Most disagree with me, but my experience is pretty simple:  the longer the rig the more hassle it is to drive and particularly to park.  Like I said, most people find the opposite to be true to some point of diminishing return but that is not my personal experience. 


5  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Pros and cons of a generator on: May 26, 2016, 07:19:38 pm
We have had three motorhomes without a generator and four with a generator over 35 years of rving.  I can summarize, be short and be simple:  we will never have an RV without a generator again.  

6  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Thanks for the years of assistance and comradery, and so long on: May 21, 2016, 08:36:56 am
Greg and Kathy, enjoy your Roadtrek!

We owned two Roadtreks prior to buying our Phoenix Cruiser.   We had a 190P and a 210P for many years.  Once you adopt to the B lifestyle, you will enjoy it for the kind of travel you are planning.   We used our RTs for the same kind of travel:  sightseeing, B&Bs, overnight most anywhere in the B then a hotel or lodge for a few nights.   Roadtrek quality is superb, as is the quality of Phoenix Cruisers.   

We bought our PC because we changed our travel style and now spend several weeks in one place.  I suspect in a few years we may be back to a B and see around the US/Canada one more time before our old friend Father Time takes over.    exactly!

Enjoy your journeys.

7  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Cherokee Trailhawk Recall on: May 17, 2016, 10:17:58 pm
Tom, we have  supplemental LED bulbs in the original Trailhawk tail lights and signal lights  I bet when they are on they don't pull a total of two amps but that is a guess.  Candidly, the guy that installed my towing set up has been an independent RV shop owner for almost forty years and he said he would take care of everything and I guess he did because I have had zero problems with anything.  Persnickety fellow with three helpers that are all about like him and they have a three bay shop.  So, I really didn't question him about the specifics of how he was hooking up the equipment.  

Trailhawks were hot off the press when we bought ours and there were not many in dealers hands.   I went out to see this guy that did the installation and lo and behold he was working on his first Trailhawk that very afternoon.  When I saw that he had the front end panels dropped and the tail lights all pulled out, I made sure my wife stayed up front and didn't come back into the shop area.   The Trailhawk is her daily driver and she would have passed out if she had seen this sister to her Trailhawk so disassembled right then and there!  

Your second question, no I don't travel hardly at all at night.  I do run the headlights on the PC in safety zones and inclement weather but we take out early and shut down late afternoon.  No, we don't run the headlights all the time on the highway.  As I recall upon reflection, I think we did drive about three hours after dark one time coming home while towing this rig, but that was it.

This discussion is important to me.  I am darn sure going to use my voltmeter on the upcoming trip and take those readings and determine the state of discharge of the Trailhawk battery.  Quite honestly, since it has never been a problem I just never really thought through all these great points folks are making in this thread.  I try really hard these days to suppress my anal engineering tendencies sad

8  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Cherokee Trailhawk Recall on: May 17, 2016, 04:08:02 pm
Here is what I think I will do.  In a couple of weeks we are going on a trip and the first day we will go about five hundred miles.  I am going to take a meter and check the battery voltage cold the morning before I hook up the Jeep.   At the end of the day, I will check the voltage again and see how much has dropped after all day towing.  I don't have a hot wire going to the battery, but it would be really easy to rig one up.   It will be interesting to see just what the drop is over an all day trip. 

9  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Cherokee Trailhawk Recall on: May 17, 2016, 07:14:21 am
We got the notice last week.  We have been towing our Trailhawk now for two years and had absolutely no problems with sway or control.  I suspect that a lot of folks may have overlooked the fact that you have to have a very specific transfer case in a Cherokee to tow it flat on these new models.  I know for a fact some people have bought Cherokees to tow without knowing or investigating the model differences and gear differences. 

I doubt if I take ours back to the dealer to have it "fixed" since there is nothing wrong with it as is from our experience which is several thousand miles and towing under many different conditions.   If the road is extremely rough we would probably just disconnect it and my wife would drive it while I drove the PC.  But, if the road is THAT rough, we are probably really in the boonies and going twenty miles an hour anyway.  

Also, I truly believe towing equipment (like tires) is NOT a place to try to save bucks.   I wonder how many reports of poor towing experiences are really caused by the towing equipment and brake setup.   Maybe not, but something to think about.  

Call me old fashioned, but "if it ain't broke don't fix it" applies here for me.  I am simply afraid the dealer would screw up what has been an excellent towing experience by changing something.

10  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Wood floors on: May 11, 2016, 07:16:33 pm
We now have almost two years wear and tear on our wood floors.  Since we most often boondock, we are constantly tracking in dirt, mud, sand, gravel, etc.  We try to be careful and we wipe our dog's feet before she comes in if it is muddy or wet outside.  Also, we love to use a couple of cheap throw rugs we bought at Target.  We shake them out on trips and run them through the washing machine when we get back home.  We generally take a very powerful small hand held vacuum we have at home with us and carry it in the toad.   

So far, the floors show nothing of any consequence.  We are perfectly happy with them and find them easy to clean and very practical. 

11  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Question About Toad Hookup on: April 23, 2016, 05:57:34 pm
Tom, sounds like you and I share the same story:  Grand Cherokee for us and a Trailhawk for our wives.  Both of ours are red!  They look like big and little brothers setting in our garage.  We also have the same braking system.  I think it works great and is worth the money. 

12  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Question About Toad Hookup on: April 23, 2016, 08:52:18 am
JoeyD, yes it IS a problem!  

First of all, congrats on your Trailhawk.  We pull a Trailhawk behind our PC2350.  I have driven Jeep Cherokees and Grand Cherokees almost exclusively for over 25 years and the Trailhawk is probably the best we have owned.  I say "we" because I drive a Grand Cherokee and the Trailhawk is my wife's.  I can prove it is her's and not mine:  just ask her rolling on the floor. We go to the Rockies for an extended time each summer and I am amazed at the power and ability that engine/transmission generate.  And it is a snap to tow, connect and disconnect.  

All that said, your towing gear should be as  level as possible.  The construction that makes the PCs look so cool also makes the receiver lower than on most Class Cs.   So, you will need a riser to raise the tow bar to a level position.  Something like this:

They are called risers or hi-lo hitches.  Don't buy a light duty one because you need a really stout, well made riser.  Measure height from level ground to the hitch plates on the Trailhawk and height from the ground to the PC receiver and get the appropriate riser.  

Warning from my personal experience:  make sure your safety cables are long enough after you install the riser.  You may need longer cables.   If this is your first shot at this, you might have someone check all this out before towing.  If the cables are too short, they can bend your tow bar and cause a real mess when you make a sharp turn (like 90 degrees around a city street corner).  I won't detail my experience on the cable length issue, lets just say it was not a good day. Help

13  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Quality on: April 13, 2016, 07:41:09 pm
Chuck, like you we came to the PC world from Class Bs.   We had a 1996 Roadtrek 190P and a 2007 Roadtrek 210P, the 190 on a Dodge and the 210 on a Chevy.  Of course, class Bs are not made on a production line but a cleaned out van which is often extended, raised or lowered.  So, making them is an entirely different process compared to a C.  

We researched for a time for a small Class C.  We had seen PCs many years ago and after careful research decided a 2350 was for us and were preparing to order a new one when we found one ten months old with 7700 miles less than five miles from our house!   We have been pleased with our PC and find the quality better than on most Class Cs.   That being said, we never expect to have another rig with the quality of our old Roadtreks.  Your Pleasureway  would fall in the same category and Class Bers have argued for twenty years about PW vs RT.   They are, in fact, very close to the same quality Canadian build.  Excellent!  

Now, let me add that new Roadtreks (and I assume PWs) seem to have more problems than the ones a few years ago.  I don't know about PW, but RT has had three different owners in four years.  Until the first sale, it was owned by the same family that started it about 1979 and was being run by the second generation.   I look at the new ones and the quality in my opinion has deteriorated  since my 2007 was essentially hand made.  

I think a lot of the problems in the RV industry today are that the parts they must  purchase are just not as good a quality as what was available a few years ago.  Things that were made in the US or Canada are now mostly Mexican or Chinese and they are simply not to North American standards of durability.   I think we all know that whether it is a sorry RV cabinet hinge that looks just the same as it did ten years ago except now it is stamped "China" in very small letters and breaks way too often or electrical components that should last years and fail in months.   How sad.  But a fact of contemporary life.  

I am so sorry you have had the problems with your new rig that you have experienced.   Candidly, those of us coming from Class Bs to Class Cs just notice a lot of things.  Your problems seem to be excessive.  The good news is that Phoenix Cruiser seems to take care of their  customers much, much better than about anyone still left around.  The fact that the company is owned by folks that are there every day is a real plus.  The PC guys started out in the RV business actually building a real neat Class B called Intervec Horizons and Falcons and I can see the B quality carried over across those decades  If I call up Roadtrek today in Kitchener, Ontario, the person I will talk with now works for a European owned company.  This is my second unit these folks built if you count my Intervec Horizon many years ago.   I loved it, too.  

Hopefully all those problems are behind you now and you can really enjoy your 2350.  We feel like we are in a mansion in our 2350 compared to the Roadtrek!   And a lot of the stuff in the 2350 is simply superior to what was in our Roadtrek, but the cabinetry is sure not the same but it is close enough to provide us many years of good use and service.

Good luck my wish for you is that you get your problems resolved and enjoy your PC like we enjoy ours.  

14  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: A couple of hot water heater questions on: April 08, 2016, 10:49:25 pm
JJ, I had a hot water tank a few years ago (propane only) that made water simply to hot to be comfortable or safe.   I seem to recall it was a Suburban brand.  I called them and they sent me another!   This was on our 2007 Roadtrek we owned prior to the PC.  The thermostat screwed into the tank on the exposed front side and had a couple of wires plugged into it as I recall.  In any event, it lowered the temp 25 degrees or so, which was perfect.  It must have been a common problem back then because they immediately knew and were sympathetic to my problem.    So, your problem may be about the same and if so I would explore getting a new thermostat with a lower set point. 

15  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Which Trip Planning software for 2016? on: April 08, 2016, 08:56:22 am
Golly, you folks make me feel old fashioned sad!   I love to buy a new atlas every year or two and use it along with my most favorite trip planning tool:  official state maps available at most welcome points on major highways entering our states.   I just enjoy the look and feel of maps.  I have a collection of maps in our library and I enjoy looking at fifty and thirty year old maps of the US and seeing how things have changed.   It makes me attentive to and appreciative of progress.  

OK, I will "fess up".  I do use google maps (the new version is inferior to the older ones IMO), google earth, a complete set of DeLorme topo maps on my desktop, IPad and laptop, the GPS on my IPhone, a Garmin GPS in the Phoenix Cruiser and a few apps to find dump stations, campgrounds, etc.  

All that is nice and fun, but nothing for me takes the place of a good map with all its color and character...and coffee stains from planning and looking forward to the journey.  

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