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16  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Leak in Sani-Con hose on: March 04, 2016, 11:24:19 am
Pax, I think you are correct on needing a stronger hose going from storage to the pump.  On our previous rig (Roadtrek Class B) from the storage to the pump was almost five feet and exposed from the bottom of chassis for that distance.  Since a Roadtrek clearance from the ground is very limited (less than 8 inches), I put it up on blocks, crawled underneath and installed a piece of hose of the appropriate  interior diameter I bought at Tractor Supply.   It was thick walled and used for running from an agricultural spray tank to the pray heads.  It had a psi rating of 150  and the wall of the hose was about 5/32 thick, cord reinforced.  

Never another problem.  A permanent fix for sure.  About $2 a foot as I recall.

17  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Storage behind the driver's seat on: March 03, 2016, 04:23:22 pm
RheahNL, Barry & Sue......thanks to all of you!

Barry and Sue, that cabinet in your 2350 is exactly what I had in mind!  I can do it a couple of ways but I think I am going to use two pull out shelves behind a cabinet door and a six inch deep drawer at the top.  My total dimensions I am working with are 24 inches deep on the whole shebang, 16 inches wide for the first space, 12 inches  wide for the top two spaces.  In other words,  from the side next to the couch the measurement would be 24 deep by 30 high.  Next to the seat, the thinner top two storage areas would allow acceptable clearance for reclining the seat slightly.   So, from the front view it would be two smaller spaces on top of a larger space.  The top would have a hard surface finish just as shown in your pictures to make a table top 24 inches deep and 12 inches wide.  

I am going to cut out a paste up of this made from corrugated cardboard and make darn sure the dimensions work before I start cutting this out of (probably) birch plywood.  Also, I will calculate the weight of the finished creation before I cut a board to make sure that is acceptable as well.  

Man, it is great to be "doneworking" so you have time to monkey around with things like this!!  All I had to do was work forty years for the privilege Cheers  !!

18  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Yellowing Shower Pan on: March 01, 2016, 04:10:24 pm
I sure would be careful using any chemical compound on the plastic.  As has been suggested, try it in a non conspicuous area first.  Chemicals literally "melt" certain plastics and it is almost impossible to tell which will do what to a given situation.  Also, some chemicals will tend to etch a "matte" finish in the plastic, which may not be readily apparent from the small inconspicuous test area. 

Another consideration is surface safety.  Making the bottom pan super slick is something to avoid and some things tend to have that consequence.

Me?  I would go for the automotive rubbing compound mentioned earlier.  Apply sparingly with a sponge with a circular motion, let it dry, buff it with cheesecloth or a terry towel.  I used this stuff to restore old car finishes and the secret is to not be to aggressive with it.  It essentially sands off the surface with a micro grit suspended in liquid, although you probably won't notice the grit if you rub some of it between your thumb and forefinger.  It is that small a grit. 

19  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Storage behind the driver's seat on: March 01, 2016, 03:57:42 pm
Judi, I found the post!  That is a nice job and encouraging to me.  What I had in mind was a shorter cabinet so as not to interfere with the wall mounted controls.  The cabinet would have a hard surface finish which( with the slide extended) would make a nice reading table top to the left of the couch.  It would also come out as far as the right edge of the chair, therefore preventing the chair back from being reclined but ever so slightly, which is the way we use it anyway.  Our previous rig had a cabinet right up to the back of the top of the chair and I guess I just got used to it. 

I will play around with this a little now that winter seems to be pretty well over here (I am going to dewinterize this week) and I will post my conclusions.  I enjoy woodworking so this is not a particularly big project for me.  I suspect I will anchor it in the floor in a fashion similar to how the eurochair is secured when in transit. 

20  Main Forum / General Discussion / Storage behind the driver's seat on: March 01, 2016, 11:25:51 am
Has anyone added any kind of storage cabinet or box behind the driver's seat?  

We stack a couple of boxes between the seat and the retracted slide.  They are used for canned goods and miscellaneous supplies when we are going to be boondocking for a couple of weeks or more.  The width is about 14 inches on our storage boxes, the depth less than 20 inches.  Since I like to drive with the seat close to the steering wheel, this creates no problem for driving or minor seat articulation.   I am going to see if I can figure out a more permanent storage arrangement there and wondered if anyone else had eyed that space for storage or a custom cabinet.   A cabinet would be rather odd sized and short but it seems a possibility.   I think I will make a mock up at of some paste board to get the fit correct and determine if it is worth the time and effort.  

Maybe someone has already done this?  

21  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: House Batteries for 2008 2551 on: February 22, 2016, 09:24:04 pm
We go to some pretty remote, off grid, off cell service places.  So, I don't try to maximize the life of the chassis battery on our PC or any vehicle for that matter.  My experiences with OEM batteries have been mixed over the century I have been driving (well, just a little over half that long).  Those of us of a certain age remember six volt vehicle batteries and generators, not alternators.  The faster you drove at night, the brighter your lights!

In any event, I replace the vehicle battery every four years.  Good battery, bad battery, questionable battery:  48 months and I go get a new one (usually at Walmart), put it in and I haven't had a battery failure in a long time unless I do something stupid and leave something on.  Also, we need to remember about parasitic draining on vehicle batteries.  Even when parked and stored they are discharging from clocks, etc.   Every four years, out the door.  That costs me less than two dollars a month to follow that procedure.  Could I get another six months or three years out of a battery?  Maybe, if I was lucky but it is just my little luxury of life for the price of a cup of coffee every month. 

22  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: House Batteries for 2008 2551 on: February 22, 2016, 02:14:10 pm
I think it is always a good idea when jumping from the house to vehicle battery to start the generator first, let it run a minute or two and then jump.  You are getting a higher voltage that way since the genset is charging the house batteries at the same time you are draining it for the chassis battery. 

23  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: cooper tires vs. michelin tires for PC on: February 19, 2016, 07:56:07 pm
Our rig prior before  buying the Phoenix Cruiser was a Roadtrek 210 P class B.  Now, that is built on an extended Chevy van chassis and weighs over 8000 pounds before you start adding all your stuff like 30 gallons of water (250+ pounds), camping gear, etc.  Remember, this much weight sets on only four wheels since it was a van conversion.  

The RT came with Bridgestone tires.  After five years, I replaced them.  I got very confused listening to all the chatter about tires and so I called the factory up in Kitchener. Ontario.  I asked what tires they recommended and they said they really don't recommend tires, but all they could say was they put the Bridgestones on all their RVs.  I asked why and got a response that it had to do with the stiffness of the sidewalls.  Wow!  That was interesting.  

Apparently, some E rated tires have different degrees of stiffness to respond, I assume, to torque stress from turning, etc.  In any event, I bought four brand new Bridgestones just like came on the rig when I bought it new.  All I know is that the vehicle rode as quietly and comfortably and was as stable as a car.  I talked to my tire guy I have used a very long time and he told me he didn't sell them but  would get them for me if that was what I wanted.  They cost fifty bucks a tire more (not just from him but from other sources I checked) and I paid it.  My tire guy said based on my conversation with the factory, he would probably have done the same thing.   Heck, I had never heard of "sidewall stiffness".   Seems there is a lot of science in  tires.  And to think I used to buy used Montgomery  (aka Monkey) Ward tires and put 'em on my 65 Chevy!! rolling on the floor

24  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: cooper tires vs. michelin tires for PC on: February 19, 2016, 09:02:33 am
Please consider reading up on what happens to tires over time, regardless of the remaining tread or conditions under which they are stored.  You will find that most chemists and engineers will tell you that the materials used in tires naturally change composition over time and weaken them. This change is not evident with the eye. 

I was educated a few years ago about this phenomena on the forum for Class B folks by some gurus on that forum, one of which was a retired chemist for one of the tire manufacturers as I recall.   I also talked to a local family owned tire and mechanic shop about this and they say it is really a problem because people just think you are trying to sell them something.  I figure there are only a few square inches of each tire touching the pavement and that is all that is between me and the graveyard.   After six years, I junk all tires on all vehicles regardless of appearance.  Also, you can talk to a state trooper about this.  They have seen a lot of things. 

By the way, I recently bought a set of Coopers to replace the Michelins on my Jeep Grand Cherokee.   They are perfectly acceptable to me, cost a little less and are highly recommended by my local tire guy that has taken care of me and all my vehicles (including motor homes) for almost forty years. 

25  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Generator decided to start on its own on: February 10, 2016, 09:01:23 am
Barry and Sue, thanks for sharing this information.  I would never have even thought about the possibility of it occurring or the cause.  Wow. 

I drive a Jeep Grand Cherokee with keyless entry.  On three different occasions the remote start feature has activated unexpectedly.  Twice parked outside and once in our garage.  On at least one occasion, the rear hatch entry door has opened on its own accord.  The problem is, you push the key fob twice on those buttons (remote start and rear entry) in rapid succession and it happens.  Well, guys tend to carry more than one thing in their pockets and apparently other "stuff" like other keys, coins, etc., bounced against the buttons just right and .......started or opened.   This is dangerous and apparently without dismantling a bunch of stuff under the hood by an electronics guru, there is no fix.  It is amazing to me that there are not some steps an owner can take to disengage this remote junk. 

My wife has a 2014 Cherokee Trailhawk and carries her key in a small, hard sided plastic case to prevent this from occurring.   With at least two-thirds of a Walmart Super Center in her purse, it is probably a logical solution  LOL   Alas, I don't carry a purse but probably should given the stuff I like to carry in my pockets. 

In any event, I mention it hear as a cautionary tale to others that may have these keyless wonders. 

Thanks again for the post on the generator self starting.   Life was simpler when you started them with a rope, but sure wasn't as easy!

26  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Rear View Camara on: February 06, 2016, 08:41:39 am
Mike, thank you for posting about the camera.  When we bought our PC a couple of years ago, the immediate and about only disappointment was the camera.  In a word, it is sorry.  I could use more sophisticated language to describe it, but "sorry" says what I really think. 

For our previous rig, I had purchased a "Special Purchase" at Sams Club of a seven inch wireless rear view camera.  I installed it so that it was always on and found that it worked perfectly for my application.  The monitor was as clear as could be and the color resolution was excellent.  I wish I had removed it when I sold the rig because I would now install it in the PC.  Maybe my experience is unique, because some say they get lots of interference and inferior signal with wireless, but it mine worked great and was fully visible in any light regardless of the sun position.  Not so my current camera.  I can barely see it and the screen is smaller. 

Before spring, I am going to start research on Amazon for a replacement.  They have a lot of wired and wireless options on the site.  Please keep us posted how you rework your camera.  By the way, the wireless one I bought at Sams:  $79.  Seventy-nine bucks!!

27  Main Forum / General Discussion / Our Phoenix Cruisers compared to other rigs on: February 03, 2016, 08:27:28 pm
Well, it was a beautiful day in Oklahoma with totally clear skies and a high this afternoon in the high 40s and low 50s.   So, I decided to drive over from Oklahoma City to Tulsa (about 100 miles away and mostly turnpike so a quick and easy trip) and go to the Tulsa Boat and RV Show adn grab lunch at a great Lebanese joint that has been there forever. .  Their shows are always in a building on the fairgrounds  that was built in the 1960s and is over 350,000 square feet of open spanned construction.  When it was built in the Sixties, it was the largest unobstructed spanned building in the world.  No pillars and quite a great building for a show.  That is over eight acres of floor space. 

First of all, who would have thought Okies would buy a yacht in Tulsa for over two million bucks?  Well, they sold it.  It was huge.  Buyers buy these things here and then float them down the Arkansas River (at Tulsa's port) and down to the Mississippi and on into the Gulf.  And we thought our toys were expensive!  They had two of them and they just dominated the bass boats, ski rigs etc.    Bet you didn't know Oklahoma has an outlet to the oceans of the world!.

Lots of RVs including Class A, B and C as well as the "usual prisoners" of huge fifth wheels and pull behinds were present.  I post about this because it is always neat to own something you love (our PC 2350) and go look at new rigs, particularly Class Cs like ours.   I looked at a bunch of them today, talked one couple OUT of buying one ...the salesman was to the side, texting of pointing out some inferior quality and design points on what they were looking at in the rig.   It was their first RV.  I wasn't obnoxious about it, just pointed out the features and told them about Phoenix.  They wrote down the website and went home to take a look. 

Isn't it wonderful to own a tried and true design built by a company that obviously cares?   After owning a PC, lets face it:  many of the "competitive" sized and styled Class Cs are inferior in quality and attention to detail.  Most RV manufacturers are now owned by private equity companies or publicly held companies and they simply do not have the quality because their goal is a fraction of a cent of earnings per share a quarter.   How sad.   

Aren't you glad you own a Phoenix Cruiser?   I am!

28  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2100 Jackknife Couch on: January 17, 2016, 06:52:21 pm
Hi, KatLin and welcome.  I cannot answer your specific question, but I can sympathize with you!  We had a 2003 Gulfstream BT Cruiser with a couch that sounds just about like yours and I can remember the problem of sleeping on it.  

I might suggest you call Phoenix at the factory and talk to them about this matter.  They have an excellent reputation for customer service and could probably tell you the changes in the couches back then compared to now on that specific model of coach.  I don't know how far you are from Elkhart, Indiana but I notice you live in Pennsylvania so it may not be an unreasonable distance if you live in the western part of the state.  It might, after talking to the factory, be worth the trip to go over to the factory and actually try out the newer model couches.  

In our model 2013 model 2350 we have a great sofa that is really twin recliners (almost) that electrically articulate to a flat position for sleeping and it is really comfortable.   So, if they use the same thing in the 2100 series now, it would be much better than your jackknife  I am sure.   The schematic online shows a trifold couch and I assume it would be much better and improved from years ago.   Just call the factory and visit with them and see what you can find out.  

29  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: short time storage on: January 05, 2016, 08:51:14 am
This is an interesting thread to follow and is really educational to me.  Thanks to all.

It seems to me that no two owners need to do exactly the same thing.  The most important criteria is:  where do you live and store your PC?  If you live in a climate that routinely provides a warmer or even non freezing environment much less is obviously required.   Live in an area that sees temps down below freezing for days and days.....lots to be done. 

I live in an area that experiences extremes.  Our summer highs sometimes break 100 and many winter days are down in the teens or lower.  Normally.  I don't know what normal really is any more, but over time that is true.  We can have twenty for a high one day and fifty degrees two or three days later.  So, I always fully winterize our RV.  It is stored inside an enclosed rented space without heat.  About every thirty days during the late fall and winter when all the lines have been blown and antifreeze pumped into (hopefully) every millimeter of piping and plumbing, I take it out of storage on a nice day and drive about fifty or sixty miles to exercise the generator (put under a load) and just to exercise the mechanics of the vehicle itself.  I never use a trickle charge and never have a problem.  Years ago on another Class C we owned, I put a couple of these little gadgets on both battery sources:

You can buy them much cheaper at Walmart or on Amazon.  They worked for me just fine and were in total compliance with the KISS admonition.  They do eliminate parasitic power drains but also, of course, default all the vehicle electronics when the chassis battery is disconnected.

If I was going to have to store my rig outside without protection from the elements, I think I would do a lot more than I have to do now.   My house has a third garage with a nine foot door and our previous rv, a class B Roadtrek, fit perfectly in there and spent its lucky life in HVAC comfort.  When I sold it, I got a quick sale and a good price because of the fact it looked so perfect.  I know Ron on this forum has his 2350 in a garage in his home and that is the ultimo solution for sure!!

30  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Another PC hits the road on: December 20, 2015, 03:02:53 pm
I simply could not tolerate the dual three legged beasts that we always seemed to be messing with and tripping over when they were in use.  So, I tried a modification that has worked well for us.

First, I removed both of the pedestal tube receivers from the back of the table.  I took one and remounted it in the dead center of the table.  Then, I cut a 24 inch circle of 3/8 inch birch plywood and mounted the other receptacle in the dead center of the circle, after first sanding and staining the plywood to match the wood floors in our PC.  Next, I covered the backside of the plywood with a bit of no slip material like most of us use on our shelves to keep stuff from sliding around.

We store the round plywood disc behind the euro chair, place it on the floor and use one tube to create a single pedestal table which is satisfactorily stable and which does not cause us to trip.  When in use and we are setting on the couch, the tube is comfortably between our pairs of legs and not in the way or a hazard.  I put the two fold up tripods in my shop along with the second tube in case the next buyer of our rig wants them. 

Also, we carry a single TV folding table to use for small snacks and other purposes.  The mount I made is so much easier to use, is adequately stable and much less intrusive when in use and stores easily.   The secret to the stability is the fact that the base is round and slightly larger than the width of the table.

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