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16  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Kicken' the tires on: September 07, 2016, 08:58:51 am
We first saw a PC at an RV show about a dozen years ago, back when they had a dealer network.  Saw another one after a few more years at an RV dealer and looked it over carefully.  

Five years ago, we decided to move from the Class B World to the Class C World.  We researched online for many months and concluded that for our needs the PC 2350 was as close as we could get to our list of "wants".   The size of the tanks was a big consideration since we mostly camp in the boonies.   I took the online drawing of the 2350 and carefully laid out the floor plan in chalk on our driveway.  Now, that my friends is really thinking through the layout!!   I monitored this and other forums for a time, examined all the pictures, videos, etc of all the models and watched some youtube, non Phoenix produced clips featuring PCs.  We monitored  

OK, we will fly up to Chicago on good old Southwest points, pick up a car and drive over to Elkhart to spec out a 2350.  We had carefully gone through the list and figured out most exactly what we did and did not want.  Well, almost simultaneously an eleven month old PC2350 was suddenly listed for sale.....less than five miles from our house.  7700 miles and essentially two trips on that baby.   We called the guy, went over there to meet him an hour later, examined it carefully, checked out who he was (a prominent local home builder retired a few months earlier who now wanted a diesel pusher) and made a deal in less than sixty minutes, closed that day.   Three years later, we are still amazed at this coincidence and have now enjoyed this rig for exactly three years.

Our rig is equipped at a higher level of options than we would have ordered, so we got a lot of "extras" as a bonus.   We couldn't believe our luck.  How many PC 2350s are even made in a year?  I don't know but I do know the number is low.  Very low.

We knew what we wanted. We have had two other Class Cs and three Class Bs over the years and I have done all the coach maintenance on all of them, so I have a pretty good understanding of RV construction and quality.   That allowed us to make a deal in an hour and save a lot of dough compared to a new unit. 

17  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: PC2100 & levelers on: August 23, 2016, 07:49:26 am
We have never had levelers and really don't want them.  Why?  Cost, weight and one more thing to maintain and have problems.  We have always used the Lynx levelers Ron referred to above and I cut a nice set of 2x8 risers capable of lifting the whole rear of a E350 or E450 over six inches.  There are a lot of accessories I had rather spend my money on like solar, good backup cameras, nicer interior, etc.

We almost always camp in NF, BLM and CoE campgrounds and a lot of them are very unlevel.  The Lynx levelers are about $30 a set at Walmart or Amazon and I carry several sets.  We recently spent a few weeks in a remote spot in the mountains of NM and I had five inches to level front to back on one side, three inches on the other and it was no problem at all with the Lynx levelers.  I have two sets that are probably ten years old, have been used a lot on dirt and gravel and still are just fine. 

Think about this:  you can buy a side and front to back bubble level to determine slope for less than ten bucks.  You can buy two sets of Lynx for sixty bucks.  You can cut 2/8s for twenty bucks.  Or, you can spend thousands to push a button. 

Incidentally, we always level pretty exactly.  Not just for the refrig but also for the shower.  A slight drift to starboard allows the shower to drain perfectly. And we don't like to sleep with a slope to the bed.  As to stabilize for blowing, that has just never been an issue for us and we have experienced a lot of windy campgrounds.

Just our experiences.

18  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Ford Transit RV? on: August 19, 2016, 09:52:26 pm
I would like to see PC come out with a new product like that to compete with the Sprinter chassis.   Someday, we will be back in the World of Class B in all probability and I would love to have a PC choice.  If you look at the weight restrictions in Ron's information above, you can understand the limits of the Transit.   I saw a few Transit diesel based units at the Dallas RV show months ago and they were pretty cool. 

19  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Closing front curtains on: August 19, 2016, 09:47:53 pm
On our previous RV, I ordered and installed a product like this:

Installation video:

I do not remember the manufacturer, but ours looked just like this and were specifically ordered for the chassis we had at that time.  They were available for cars, trucks, vans, etc. and as I recall were made in El Paso, but that was ten years ago and no telling where they are now made.  They worked very, very well, retracted instantly and really held up well.  We would then just pull the RV curtains over to cover the side windows and we had complete privacy and access to the whole front of the vehicle.  We were hit by a rock thrown up into our windshield and I called them and they sent me extra mounts for a nominal fee and we had the windshield replaced and reinstalled the shades.   I think before next summer I will order for the E350 chassis for our PC.  They REALLY kept the sun at bay during the heat of the day when we were parked.

20  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Tourer or Destination Camper? on: August 18, 2016, 05:05:34 pm
We spent a total of a month this year off hookups in the National Forest in Northern New Mexico.  We bought a 2350 specifically with this kind of camping in mind.  For the two of us and 55 pounds of Sally Ann the Wonder Dog, it is perfect.  Essentially, we escaped the heat of the plains and came home last weekend to much cooler weather.  The large black tank in the 2350 makes this kind of camping possible.  The 200 watts of solar I put on the roof and the additional 100 I added in a portable setup with a 50 foot cord (since we camp in trees and have limited sun on the roof) allowed us to have great batteries at all times, even during several rain days.  Many NF and BLM campgrounds in the drought of the West allow you to "drip your gray" tank, returning to the earth the water you take from it.

In a few years Sally will be gone and we probably will go back to Class Bs and just tour the country.   BUT, a 2100 would be perfect for that as well and have the luxury of a dry bath and more room in general. 

21  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: New Phoenix Cruiser You Tube on: July 22, 2016, 08:59:51 am
This is a good youtube to watch for any potential buyers. 

It is also a good view for those of us that have PCs.   We researched Cs for almost two years before we bought our PC.  We were heading to the factory to order a 2350 when we found a used one eleven months old.......less than five miles from our home!  Having owned two other Cs and 3 Bs over the years and having converted a new Chevy van into a travel camper back when we had less time, money and sense, I have a great respect for design and construction methodology. 

This video will really confirm all of us on our decisions to own a Phoenix Cruiser.   Let's face the fact that there is a lot of poorly designed and constructed trouble out there in the rv showrooms.  First time buyers will find the truth in that sign that my dad had in his store a half century ago.  "We know others sell for less.  They know what there stuff is worth."

22  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Nitrogen on: July 19, 2016, 09:02:24 am
My 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee came with nitrogen in the tires and the green valve caps indicate nitrogen.   For five years I added regular air to them and never had a problem.  Regular compressed air has nitrogen and oxygen....and water vapor.  The water is the culprit to deteriorate rubber over time.  Also, compressed air will tend to migrate at high temps out of the tire...but unless you are racing at 200mph it isn't enough to matter.   To me, nitrogen is just another of those "sell you somethings"  that sounds sexy and instills fear that after over a century of using pneumatic  tires full of air we will all have disaster if we don't use it.   Sort of like the $400 fabric protector spray or leather conditioner the dealers all like to pedal. 

Give me a break!   rolling on the floor

The most important thing, in my opinion, is to use a compressed air source that is properly maintained and therefore the water is purged from the air tank frequently.  By the way, I bought one of these on sale at Lowes for a hundred bucks and it puts up 150 psi which is great for the PC tires.  Of course, it is to big to be practical to carry in the PC, but I use it for my shop as well as airing our PC and vehicle tires.   HD and Lowes both put them on sale for $100 occasionally.   They are very easy tanks to drain the water and keep clean.   Additionally, they are relatively light weight and well made.


23  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: SO JUST HOW FAST DO YOU GO? on: July 18, 2016, 07:58:44 am
I haven't enjoyed RVs for all these years by flying down the road at the speed limit.  I normally drive 60-65 and look the country over as we travel.  If I am just burning up interstate that I have driven many times, I may get close to 70.  What I really enjoy is the less traveled highways and fifty miles an hour. 

There is a lot to see in America.  Even at 60 seconds per mile (60MPH) you still miss a lot, don't you? 

24  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: PC 2350 Questions on: July 16, 2016, 04:42:09 pm
We bought our rig a year old so we didn't have the option to choose options.  I would not, however, pay for the price of jacks.  We spend most of our time in the National Forest campgrounds and they can be very uneven sites.  I use block levelers like here: 

I have used these things for years and discovered them in our Class B days back thirty years ago.  I always carry two sets in the PC and four more sets in the towed Jeep.  I have never used all of them, but I have them if I need them.  Leveling four or five inches on the front or back or side to side is not problem with these.  That is less than $200 bucks.  After a while, got so adept at using them that I read the side and rear levels I stick on every RV we own and I can tell darn close how many and under which wheel.  Now, this is easier on most Class Bs since you only have two rear wheels, not four.  This won't work for everyone and I think it would be really neat to have those nice power levelers, but I would not order them personally if I was ordering a new rig because they are so expensive, another maintenance item and add more weight.   i would rather spend that dough on stuff we see like wooden floors, upholstery,

By the way, no question in my mind:  if we ordered a new PC2350 it would be on a 450 chassis.  I have had both and prefer the 450 not only for CCC but also for gearing. 

Everyone has their own thoughts and opinions on what is important to their particular style of travel and camping.   We tend to think of each trip as an adventure and just don't mind roughing it a bit.  Like leveling.   

25  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Music while traveling options on: July 05, 2016, 07:56:41 am
Barb, I think you will find that using the inverter going down the road will be just fine.  Your engine will be charging (or maintaining) your coach batteries and therefore you will not run them down one bit.  Turn on the inverter (assuming it is similar to ours), note the indicated DC voltage input, then start the engine and watch the voltage jump a bit, thus indicating a charge rate.  Some motorhomes don't have generators and the owners use the engine to recharge their coach batteries as a matter of normal operation.

26  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Awning doesn't completely roll up on: July 03, 2016, 04:04:47 pm
I have developed the same problem on the forward arm, just like in the picture above but not as severe.  Mine gaps about 1/2 inch at the very top.  The rear arm retracts perfectly.  My drive home from where we were camped when I noticed it was over 500 miles and it didn't move at all or cause further problems.  

I will look forward to seeing the comments and suggestions.  We are taking off again in a few weeks and I need to address this along with a couple of other maintenance items on my check list.   

27  Main Forum / Photos / Re: Level Phoenix Cruiser on: June 30, 2016, 07:30:11 pm
You know, I have just never obsessed about being absolutely, perfectly level.  Yes, I have levels stuck on the outside for both directions and, yes, I level until comfortable and within a degree or two.  I also carry a little 12" carpenter's level. I prefer to be off a little, leaning side to side at a slight angle to assure the shower draining properly.  Now, I don't mean four or five degrees, but I have never found harm in a degree or two.  I have witnessed folks working for an hour to get a rig level. 

Twenty years ago the refrigs were much more sensitive to leveling than they are now.  In fact, it was common thirty years ago or so that if a fridge had operated much off plumb it could cause the gas to bubble up and not operate much at all.  Same thing back then if the refrig was not operated for long periods of time.  The solution was "burping" the refrigerator.  Take it out, turn it upside down and shake it a bit.  Leave it inverted over night and reinstall.  Those, my friends, were the "good ole days".  Like nylon tires and butterfly valves in the carbs, I think I will take "modern" most of the time.  By the way, refrigs were much simpler back then and smaller, too.  Still, burping was a bear.

28  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Soundproofing the cab on: June 24, 2016, 07:36:29 am
I suspect PC doesn't want to get involved with modification of the "Ford stuff".  The second they take off door panels, pull and change dog houses, etc. they have modified Ford design and may have altered Ford warranty.   When they start changing the heat reflection/absorption design of the Ford I suspect their liability would increase commensurately.

29  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Jeep Wrangler Unlimited as a toad? on: June 19, 2016, 09:12:02 pm
You see some crazy things in campgrounds.  I have seen trailers that were way to heavy being towed by midsized SUVs.  Sprinter based motorhomes pulling some really heavy toads beyond even their hitch rating clearly marked on the things.

Some folks pay little or no attention to such things as towing capacity, brakes, hitch gear.  One guy told me once his trailer was about to run over his SUV going down hills.  I asked him what kind of brake controller he was using and he had not a clue as to what a brake controller was or its function.  Take a look at the trailer folks sometime.  Many do no have sway bars and just hook that puppy up and go.

Most Sprinters have a somewhat limited tow capacity regarding weight as compared to gassers for the same or similar chassis.  

I say this not to criticize anyone but golly it is dangerous to tow a toad or a trailer and not have some basic and rudimentary knowledge of the limits  Sometimes, I confess, I envy those people.   I tend to over study and over engineer.  

Motorhomes are a bit more tolerant towing as compared to trailers it seems to me.  Very different and better physics than trailers such as the distance from the MH's rear axle to the front wheels of the toad.  And overall length of what is being towed is obviously very different. 


30  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Blu Ray firmware update on: June 18, 2016, 08:56:05 am
John, I can't answer your question but I will tell you one thing:  I have had it with our Samsung.  After this last trip, that little babe is coming out and a cheap, basic Blue Ray player is going in the space.  The FM radio on our rig in the Blue Ray won't get anything that it is not setting on top of.  Fine, if you are in a metro area.  Out in the boonies, I use the Ford radio or an ancient AM/FM "transistor" radio my dad bought probably forty years ago that works better.   I tried adding a more sophisticated antenna to the BR for FM, but it helped not one bit.  Walmart here I come.

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