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16  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: A Billion Questions (2100/2400) on: May 26, 2016, 07:24:36 pm
Given the size of the investment and the modifications you desire, I would really encourage you to (1) call the PC factory and talk to them about your mods and (2) go to Hershey and spend a couple of days looking at the rigs.  On line is great, but seeing something in person will always be better for the three dimensional realization of what you are thinking about.  Holograms?  Grin  Nah, you can't smell the materials, see the true colors and chat with people that know about these things.   A five hour drive is a small price to pay to really understand what you are spending the big bucks to buy.  Besides that, any RV show is a lot of fun.

I think the 2100 is really a neat rig.  We have had Class Bs and it is a real step up, space wise, from a true B.  Most disagree with me, but my experience is pretty simple:  the longer the rig the more hassle it is to drive and particularly to park.  Like I said, most people find the opposite to be true to some point of diminishing return but that is not my personal experience. 


17  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Pros and cons of a generator on: May 26, 2016, 07:19:38 pm
We have had three motorhomes without a generator and four with a generator over 35 years of rving.  I can summarize, be short and be simple:  we will never have an RV without a generator again.  

18  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Thanks for the years of assistance and comradery, and so long on: May 21, 2016, 08:36:56 am
Greg and Kathy, enjoy your Roadtrek!

We owned two Roadtreks prior to buying our Phoenix Cruiser.   We had a 190P and a 210P for many years.  Once you adopt to the B lifestyle, you will enjoy it for the kind of travel you are planning.   We used our RTs for the same kind of travel:  sightseeing, B&Bs, overnight most anywhere in the B then a hotel or lodge for a few nights.   Roadtrek quality is superb, as is the quality of Phoenix Cruisers.   

We bought our PC because we changed our travel style and now spend several weeks in one place.  I suspect in a few years we may be back to a B and see around the US/Canada one more time before our old friend Father Time takes over.    exactly!

Enjoy your journeys.

19  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Cherokee Trailhawk Recall on: May 17, 2016, 10:17:58 pm
Tom, we have  supplemental LED bulbs in the original Trailhawk tail lights and signal lights  I bet when they are on they don't pull a total of two amps but that is a guess.  Candidly, the guy that installed my towing set up has been an independent RV shop owner for almost forty years and he said he would take care of everything and I guess he did because I have had zero problems with anything.  Persnickety fellow with three helpers that are all about like him and they have a three bay shop.  So, I really didn't question him about the specifics of how he was hooking up the equipment.  

Trailhawks were hot off the press when we bought ours and there were not many in dealers hands.   I went out to see this guy that did the installation and lo and behold he was working on his first Trailhawk that very afternoon.  When I saw that he had the front end panels dropped and the tail lights all pulled out, I made sure my wife stayed up front and didn't come back into the shop area.   The Trailhawk is her daily driver and she would have passed out if she had seen this sister to her Trailhawk so disassembled right then and there!  

Your second question, no I don't travel hardly at all at night.  I do run the headlights on the PC in safety zones and inclement weather but we take out early and shut down late afternoon.  No, we don't run the headlights all the time on the highway.  As I recall upon reflection, I think we did drive about three hours after dark one time coming home while towing this rig, but that was it.

This discussion is important to me.  I am darn sure going to use my voltmeter on the upcoming trip and take those readings and determine the state of discharge of the Trailhawk battery.  Quite honestly, since it has never been a problem I just never really thought through all these great points folks are making in this thread.  I try really hard these days to suppress my anal engineering tendencies sad

20  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Cherokee Trailhawk Recall on: May 17, 2016, 04:08:02 pm
Here is what I think I will do.  In a couple of weeks we are going on a trip and the first day we will go about five hundred miles.  I am going to take a meter and check the battery voltage cold the morning before I hook up the Jeep.   At the end of the day, I will check the voltage again and see how much has dropped after all day towing.  I don't have a hot wire going to the battery, but it would be really easy to rig one up.   It will be interesting to see just what the drop is over an all day trip. 

21  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Cherokee Trailhawk Recall on: May 17, 2016, 07:14:21 am
We got the notice last week.  We have been towing our Trailhawk now for two years and had absolutely no problems with sway or control.  I suspect that a lot of folks may have overlooked the fact that you have to have a very specific transfer case in a Cherokee to tow it flat on these new models.  I know for a fact some people have bought Cherokees to tow without knowing or investigating the model differences and gear differences. 

I doubt if I take ours back to the dealer to have it "fixed" since there is nothing wrong with it as is from our experience which is several thousand miles and towing under many different conditions.   If the road is extremely rough we would probably just disconnect it and my wife would drive it while I drove the PC.  But, if the road is THAT rough, we are probably really in the boonies and going twenty miles an hour anyway.  

Also, I truly believe towing equipment (like tires) is NOT a place to try to save bucks.   I wonder how many reports of poor towing experiences are really caused by the towing equipment and brake setup.   Maybe not, but something to think about.  

Call me old fashioned, but "if it ain't broke don't fix it" applies here for me.  I am simply afraid the dealer would screw up what has been an excellent towing experience by changing something.

22  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Wood floors on: May 11, 2016, 07:16:33 pm
We now have almost two years wear and tear on our wood floors.  Since we most often boondock, we are constantly tracking in dirt, mud, sand, gravel, etc.  We try to be careful and we wipe our dog's feet before she comes in if it is muddy or wet outside.  Also, we love to use a couple of cheap throw rugs we bought at Target.  We shake them out on trips and run them through the washing machine when we get back home.  We generally take a very powerful small hand held vacuum we have at home with us and carry it in the toad.   

So far, the floors show nothing of any consequence.  We are perfectly happy with them and find them easy to clean and very practical. 

23  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Question About Toad Hookup on: April 23, 2016, 05:57:34 pm
Tom, sounds like you and I share the same story:  Grand Cherokee for us and a Trailhawk for our wives.  Both of ours are red!  They look like big and little brothers setting in our garage.  We also have the same braking system.  I think it works great and is worth the money. 

24  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Question About Toad Hookup on: April 23, 2016, 08:52:18 am
JoeyD, yes it IS a problem!  

First of all, congrats on your Trailhawk.  We pull a Trailhawk behind our PC2350.  I have driven Jeep Cherokees and Grand Cherokees almost exclusively for over 25 years and the Trailhawk is probably the best we have owned.  I say "we" because I drive a Grand Cherokee and the Trailhawk is my wife's.  I can prove it is her's and not mine:  just ask her rolling on the floor. We go to the Rockies for an extended time each summer and I am amazed at the power and ability that engine/transmission generate.  And it is a snap to tow, connect and disconnect.  

All that said, your towing gear should be as  level as possible.  The construction that makes the PCs look so cool also makes the receiver lower than on most Class Cs.   So, you will need a riser to raise the tow bar to a level position.  Something like this:

They are called risers or hi-lo hitches.  Don't buy a light duty one because you need a really stout, well made riser.  Measure height from level ground to the hitch plates on the Trailhawk and height from the ground to the PC receiver and get the appropriate riser.  

Warning from my personal experience:  make sure your safety cables are long enough after you install the riser.  You may need longer cables.   If this is your first shot at this, you might have someone check all this out before towing.  If the cables are too short, they can bend your tow bar and cause a real mess when you make a sharp turn (like 90 degrees around a city street corner).  I won't detail my experience on the cable length issue, lets just say it was not a good day. Help

25  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Quality on: April 13, 2016, 07:41:09 pm
Chuck, like you we came to the PC world from Class Bs.   We had a 1996 Roadtrek 190P and a 2007 Roadtrek 210P, the 190 on a Dodge and the 210 on a Chevy.  Of course, class Bs are not made on a production line but a cleaned out van which is often extended, raised or lowered.  So, making them is an entirely different process compared to a C.  

We researched for a time for a small Class C.  We had seen PCs many years ago and after careful research decided a 2350 was for us and were preparing to order a new one when we found one ten months old with 7700 miles less than five miles from our house!   We have been pleased with our PC and find the quality better than on most Class Cs.   That being said, we never expect to have another rig with the quality of our old Roadtreks.  Your Pleasureway  would fall in the same category and Class Bers have argued for twenty years about PW vs RT.   They are, in fact, very close to the same quality Canadian build.  Excellent!  

Now, let me add that new Roadtreks (and I assume PWs) seem to have more problems than the ones a few years ago.  I don't know about PW, but RT has had three different owners in four years.  Until the first sale, it was owned by the same family that started it about 1979 and was being run by the second generation.   I look at the new ones and the quality in my opinion has deteriorated  since my 2007 was essentially hand made.  

I think a lot of the problems in the RV industry today are that the parts they must  purchase are just not as good a quality as what was available a few years ago.  Things that were made in the US or Canada are now mostly Mexican or Chinese and they are simply not to North American standards of durability.   I think we all know that whether it is a sorry RV cabinet hinge that looks just the same as it did ten years ago except now it is stamped "China" in very small letters and breaks way too often or electrical components that should last years and fail in months.   How sad.  But a fact of contemporary life.  

I am so sorry you have had the problems with your new rig that you have experienced.   Candidly, those of us coming from Class Bs to Class Cs just notice a lot of things.  Your problems seem to be excessive.  The good news is that Phoenix Cruiser seems to take care of their  customers much, much better than about anyone still left around.  The fact that the company is owned by folks that are there every day is a real plus.  The PC guys started out in the RV business actually building a real neat Class B called Intervec Horizons and Falcons and I can see the B quality carried over across those decades  If I call up Roadtrek today in Kitchener, Ontario, the person I will talk with now works for a European owned company.  This is my second unit these folks built if you count my Intervec Horizon many years ago.   I loved it, too.  

Hopefully all those problems are behind you now and you can really enjoy your 2350.  We feel like we are in a mansion in our 2350 compared to the Roadtrek!   And a lot of the stuff in the 2350 is simply superior to what was in our Roadtrek, but the cabinetry is sure not the same but it is close enough to provide us many years of good use and service.

Good luck my wish for you is that you get your problems resolved and enjoy your PC like we enjoy ours.  

26  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: A couple of hot water heater questions on: April 08, 2016, 10:49:25 pm
JJ, I had a hot water tank a few years ago (propane only) that made water simply to hot to be comfortable or safe.   I seem to recall it was a Suburban brand.  I called them and they sent me another!   This was on our 2007 Roadtrek we owned prior to the PC.  The thermostat screwed into the tank on the exposed front side and had a couple of wires plugged into it as I recall.  In any event, it lowered the temp 25 degrees or so, which was perfect.  It must have been a common problem back then because they immediately knew and were sympathetic to my problem.    So, your problem may be about the same and if so I would explore getting a new thermostat with a lower set point. 

27  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Which Trip Planning software for 2016? on: April 08, 2016, 08:56:22 am
Golly, you folks make me feel old fashioned sad!   I love to buy a new atlas every year or two and use it along with my most favorite trip planning tool:  official state maps available at most welcome points on major highways entering our states.   I just enjoy the look and feel of maps.  I have a collection of maps in our library and I enjoy looking at fifty and thirty year old maps of the US and seeing how things have changed.   It makes me attentive to and appreciative of progress.  

OK, I will "fess up".  I do use google maps (the new version is inferior to the older ones IMO), google earth, a complete set of DeLorme topo maps on my desktop, IPad and laptop, the GPS on my IPhone, a Garmin GPS in the Phoenix Cruiser and a few apps to find dump stations, campgrounds, etc.  

All that is nice and fun, but nothing for me takes the place of a good map with all its color and character...and coffee stains from planning and looking forward to the journey.  

28  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Might Look At 2400 Used on: March 31, 2016, 02:11:40 pm
Ron said: Fashion a small 12V pump somehow and then nothing heavy ever gets picked up.  Thanks for sharing that.

That is exactly what I do.  My first pump was a simple small marine bilge pump from Academy for about $15.  I cemented a hose connection to the discharge and added a 20 foot electric cord to the wires and put alligator clips on them.  Then, simply hook it up to the batteries when I wanted to pump out my wheelie tank into the RV tank and use my rv hose, drop it in the tank and pump.   That was with our Roadtrek.  Now, I have this:

It works even better.  I use a 3/4 inch by six foot piece of vinyl clear tubing (Lowes or HD, about $3 or $4).   With this arrangement we can really pump water!   Since we boondock mostly in the National Forests in the Southwest and West, they allow grey water to be dripped because the forest appreciates the moisture and it is really just recycling the water.  So, with grey water not a storage problem and the extra large black tank of a PC2350 we are good to camp without moving for quite a while. 

29  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Might Look At 2400 Used on: March 31, 2016, 09:07:24 am
We have carried one of these for ten years.  Since we use National Forest campgrounds much of the time, we refill it often at hand pumps and please notice the large opening to fill it.  I have pulled this down many gravel and dirt roads and paths for all those years and the wheels have proven to be remarkably durable.  Eight gallons is a lot and the container is well made in Canada.....probably the reason it has lasted so long as compared to cheap Asian products.  I slip it empty into a plastic garbage sack and store it in the shower when in transit.  Here is the math:  70 (years old) plus 70 (pounds of filled container) equals ....wheels!

By the way, I have a small sheet of dense foam that was a packaging protection piece when I ordered our Renogy solar panels for the PC.  I cut it to size and use the piece on the bottom of the shower to protect the shower pan.  We carry large fold up camping chairs stored in plastic garbage sacks in the shower as well.   Works well for us and the bags protect the shower walls.

Also sold by Walmart in their camping stuff area in many large super centers.

30  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Finding out the hard way! on: March 30, 2016, 03:00:59 pm
We had a BT Cruiser ten years or so ago that always seemed to have run down batteries.....chassis and coach....when it had been stored several weeks.  I bought one of these for each battery.  It is a simple, cheap solution to parasitic or unidentifiable drains.   You have to remember that when you disconnect the battery on the chassis you may lose a lot of settings and as I recall on the older Fords the engine had to go through a "learning curve" for the first fifty miles after a disconnect to get itself set properly.  I have no idea if newer trucks suffer that consequence.   We all remember losing our radio settings when replacing batteries in certain cars.

That little disconnect is cheap and effective.  I also have seen them from time to time at Walmart for five bucks, almost identical.

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