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16  Main Forum / Adventure Anywhere / Re: Planning a trip to Maine and Cape Cod on: August 23, 2012, 06:28:33 am
When I used to live in NJ, Bar Harbor was a favorite destination for a week of refreshing from the workdays the rest of the year...having only a week, we didn't usually dawdle along the way -- one side trip to Cape Cod but we didn't stay there.  For Bar Harbor, we liked to stay at Mt Desert Narrows which is just after you cross over onto the "island" so to speak.  It was convenient to pretty much everything, buses stop at all the campgrounds and take you to/from town -- some of our friends thought that campground a little pricey, but in that area much is.  We thought it was pretty peaceful at that time of year as the kids were all back in school.  We would park down at the bottom; they call it right on the ocean, but it's more right on the cove that opens out onto the ocean.  You get high tide and lots of peaceful water and seagulls; then low tide and out come the clammers.  We would go about the same time as you are planning and some years it would be cold and windy, some years summery and beautiful.  Haven't been back in probably the last 4 years due to moving to the Midwest, but it is on the bucket list to get back there asap.  I still want to make the drive along the coast up rte 1, see some beautiful lighthouses, venture back into the woods a bit and see some moose....I'll live vicariously thru your report of this trip.  Have a great time!
17  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why? on: August 22, 2012, 07:42:40 pm
Thanks, Tom, Marilyn, and all for the encouragement about the ladder.  I checked with Amanda and Kermit at the factory and they concur that it is easy to do -- so I don't have any hesitation now about adding the ladder back in.  That should insure that we never get tangled in trees
                                                                                                                                                                        HangOn   or lose a vent cover -- you know, if I didn't have the ladder we surely would!  (chuckle!)  Thanks for all the help -- we are excited to continue to plan and wait -- but also anxious to bring her home and get a few miles on her before the Illinois winter decides to snow us in...
18  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why? on: August 20, 2012, 06:02:46 pm
So, then, for those of you who have opted to have the ladder, whether or not you plan to climb it yourself, how difficult is it each time you want to enter that back cabinet?  Is it much to "unhook" it and fold it up to gain entrance to that cabinet where I presume the electric cord is stored.  I don't know what else is back there, but assume that if there is much to doing this at all, it could get a bit "old" after a while, no?

Also, and this may be a dumb suggestion, but why couldn't that ladder be halved -- in other words, shortened to the half joint, the lower half removed, and then the upper half would still be accessible from a step ladder if necessary.  I imagine this would probably look funny, if it could be done, but then it wouldn't be in the way of the cabinet (assuming that it does take a little to "unhook" and fold the ladder for entry.)

The F-Fan covers look good, perhaps a bit higher than the Maxx Air ones, but as the you tube video demonstrates, they don't reduce the air flow at all.  That goes on the list.  Keep those thoughts coming; they are all appreciated!  I'm off to shop for towel bars and TP holder!
 Heart Shower
19  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why? on: August 20, 2012, 06:02:22 am
Gradygal:  Your point is well taken about the ladder's need.  I know PC wouldn't be putting it on these fine vehicles if there wasn't a need now and again.  That jumping frog of Calaveras County that you had in the AC, well now, I could avoid him perhaps by avoiding Florida and opting for the less jumpy snakes, lizards, and turtles in Arizona.  But those hatch covers over the fans -- the only problem I have ever had with them is forgetting to close them all the way before starting up.  Now, it's one of the things we always check before pulling out.  I can see having trouble with them in a sudden high wind in a campground -- What caused yours to fly open, any idea? 

Even so, on my Pleasure-Way if it had happened, I still would not, could not have crawled up there and done anything about it - no ladder on the PW and the heights are not for me.  My emphasis is going to have to be on prevention and calling for help, I guess.  But I appreciate the forewarning about going ladderless -- it will make me think a little more up front.  Kind of like the roof on my house: I have to have a handyman come and empty the gutters of leaves and saw the tree limbs growing into it -- I have to take care of the chores on the ground.  Thanks for the education!
20  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why? on: August 19, 2012, 01:58:17 pm
...We got the ladder but not the roof rack. One never knows when you might need to get on the roof to clean it or remove tree branches.

....The new switch by the door turns on the light by the kitchen and we would have preferred it turn on the light by the door. We also wish they have taken one of the two bedroom overhead lights and put it up front near the front cabinets...

...Are you going to get the front shades from Amanda? They are kind of expensive but work really well at keeping people from seeing in during the day, keeping the sun/heat out and at night keeping the outside light from lighting up the front curtains.
I understand about the need for the ladder "just in case."  For me (not real adept at climbing, even when I was a kid) if I need to get at or see the roof, I will use my garage A-frame ladder -- and hope that I don't back into a tree at a campsite where I don't have a ladder.  I will really depend on my navigator/sister now for such clearances!  For the darker shirt cabinets, I will probably opt for one of those small "stick up" lights.  I've kept one in the bathroom of our PW for years as I hate to use the overhead lights early in the a.m. -- too bright.  The recent PW's have utilized LED lights on a dimmer switch and I think when PC eventually considers using them, it will be a really classy move.  Kermit can take a look at ours when we bring it down for trade in.  Really looks absolutely cool at night.  I can just see those in combo with the cherry cabinets that many of you have chosen...

I actually love the switch that turns on the kitchen light -- when we looked at Ron's, he didn't have that and it was one of my concerns.  So I was glad to see that they had added that.  One good thing about it turning on a light farther back from the door, is that I would think it would draw less bugs in, not that we ever stay where there are bugs (Bar Harbor, Minnesota, the UP....)

Yes, those are the front shades from Amanda -- pricey but my sister decided that both for the thermal reasons and for the privacy for our dogs who love to people-watch but who don't need to be seen by outsiders -- we just couldn't pass them up.  Thanks for all your comments and keep those thoughts coming!
21  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why? on: August 19, 2012, 09:53:39 am
Having lived with two big dogs in a 2350 and now having a 2552 with one large 100 lb German Shepherd Dog, I think you will be happy with your choice. We had half a page of modifications to our 2552, like shelves in both shirt closets, no roof vent in the bedroom (the one in the bathroom was close enough to do the job), two fantastic fans (bathroom and living room) and jacks to level the PC when camped. What mods have you requested? ....One of the best things about Phoenix is their willingness to work with the customer to get just what the customer wants.
In my Sunday morning rambling around the forum, I re-read all your hearty congratulations, and realized that I never got back on here and thanked all of you for your good wishes.  It is so nice to be part of a forum where you don't find your thoughts put down because you don't happen to be in perfect alignment with a responder's point of view.  I so appreciated all the welcome and encouragement.  You are a special bunch of folks!
  Cheer
To answer Tom Hanlon's question:
  • we opted to d/c the tv antenna, roof rack, and back ladder as things we have never/plan to never use.  I have no business climbing on top of the camper and the ladder would soon be a problem for me getting into the back storage area.  If as ge_montana said, the vehicle ever needs to be torn from our grip and sold to someone else, a ladder and roof rack could be added by the (sob!) new owner.  We have used the antenna on our various B vans maybe once in the last ten years, and found that here in Illinois it is only a snow catcher in the winter months.
  • We added levelers (yes, we took heed and will make sure they are on our walkthru list lest we drive 170 miles down the road and discover they are missing!  That's why a night at Eby's again will be necessary),
  • a 2nd FFan in the living area,
  • a two step entrance,
  • the new shades for the cab area,
  • Tom's shelves in the shirt closets,
  • the 6 way driver's seat,
  • insulated glass and a small awning over the couch window for those hoped for Arizona days,
  • back up camera since this is a longer vehicle than we had planned,
  • an added 12 v plug for the kitchen as I love using my small 12v crock pot (and yes, I do understand about the inverter...),
  • and vinyl flooring, as we travel with dogs.
We hope to do the BBB drawer cutting board replacement as well as holding some other things suggested here in the wings to see if they will work for us.  We are getting the bedspreads -- but since we travel with dogs will probably put some others on for travel -- something more Southwestern to perk up the tame interior we have chosen (maple cabinets, sunlit leather, vinyl floor) -- something we won't worry about the fur girls jumping on.  The PC ones will be in reserve in case ge_montana is right...
22  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself! on: August 19, 2012, 08:39:55 am
We sold our 2004 PleasureWay Ford TD Excel with the two beds in the rear.  Our new 2551 is like we poured water on the PW and it grew 6 feet.  Our PC has all the things that I wanted...there is more room for two dogs with the slideout.  Good luck on your search!!
Anne
So, I was just sitting here with my morning coffee ("caw-fee" as we used to say when back in Jersey Coffee) re-reading old posts and picking up on some tips and tricks from all my new PC friends -- and I re-read your post Anne and had a good chuckle about pouring water on the PW and it growing...We have been trying to figure out how we are going to tell our B-van friends that we have decided to "move on up..." It's not the first time we have made a change in our search to try to "get it right."  We always went for the small B van in order to fully utilize the vehicle while I am still working:  a quick trip to the park with the dogs, a weekend at the local state park, or the quick across country trip to see friends and camp out with them.  Now, nearing retirement (I can see just over the edge!) I keep trying to tell myself that I can leave that small, quick mentality behind and "graduate" into the idea that it no longer needs to be fast and small -- now a little more room, a more leisurely pace, a longer stay, this is what we have been waiting for.  And next year, when it rains 4 out of the 5 days we are staying by the lake, we can laugh at the weather as we and our friends have room to visit inside the camper instead of having to go to a restaurant in town to even be able to sit and talk together.

As we wait for our PC to be built, we have imagined all sorts of conversations with our camping buddies who will rib us for sure, and the one thing that has come to the fore is that we would tell them that we tried Miracle Grow to give our PW a good shine  Wink and "WOW, you should see what happened.  You really gotta be careful with this stuff!!!!!"  Nah, I don't suppose that's going to work either. 
23  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Replacing cutting board with a drawer???? on: August 15, 2012, 11:29:30 am
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Did you give any more thought to, and discuss the drawers under the stove with the factory?  I always felt they would be better served as open drawers, not drawers behind a cabinet door.  Maybe better yet to have them as wider drawers, combined with the ones to the left.

Ron, we didn't discuss it when we were at the factory - just ordered it as it is.  We probably won't have a better handle on things (drawers&doors or drawers-no doors) until we take possession and actually live in it for a while.  We've been the victim over the years of several Chicken Little type problems in other mfg vans (like the microwave picture-frame surround falling off and lassoing one of our dogs around the neck SadDog, the "Magic Drawer" which would always pop open and bang above the dogs' heads, a refrigerator door which would fly open, etc.) -- so we would probably err on the side of safety or double doors/drawers for things that might fly out as we travel down the road.

And, Barry & Sue, I really like your HD pantry -- again, time will tell if we have most use for drawers or this nice pantry set up.  I'm anxious to find out, but we have to wait for the factory guys to lovingly put her together....  In the meantime I have all these pictures to help make the time go faster...   Cowboy
24  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Replacing cutting board with a drawer???? on: August 14, 2012, 06:17:32 am
Margie,

It was Judi:

http://www.phoenixusarv.com/community/index.php/topic,1020.0.html

Our new PC hasn't been "born" yet but this is one trick that we plan to implement ASAP when she comes home -- maybe they will start making this an option at the factory, as so many PC'ers seem to like the idea of dc-ing the board and using this.

~marilyn Smile
25  Main Forum / Around the Campfire / Re: Death by Chocolate Dessert on: August 08, 2012, 07:18:10 pm
Oh, my!  I think if we're going to make this, we're going to have to divide by 8.....er maybe 4.....

Oh, heck! maybe we'll just have to make it for the next rally we attend!  Everyone ought to be subjected to........(drum roll, please!).....Death by Chocolate! 

Thanks for the link! WavingCow
26  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: I think I have a brilliant idea on: August 07, 2012, 10:29:26 pm
...and obviously we benefited from this very kind of thing, as Ron introduced himself to us and gave us an open-handed invite to "come-see" his unit.  It really helped us know for sure that we were headed in the right direction.  As a result we headed down to the factory, met with Amanda, and found ourselves scheduled for our own P-C build.  We told her that it was Ron's referral, so hope that he benefits for having to spend all that time with us on the Grand Tour.  His online pictures helped, but the actual hands on visit to his unit was what made us sure.

I love the idea of having a way to connect both owners and potential customers up in a somewhat protected kind of way.  I am sure we would participate, once we actually have ours home and are able to represent it knowledgeably.  Good thinking! Woot!
27  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why? on: August 05, 2012, 06:19:53 pm
Well, we dun gon an dun it.  Visited Elkhart Friday.  Took all this good advice to heart and went down to visit the factory for ourselves and see everything first hand.  Needless to say, we have joined the family.  Put in our order for our own PC.  To the surprise of even us, we actually chose the 2552 and with a slide.  Several of y'all mentioned having come out of the PW van and into the PC.  Several mentioned having started with the 2350 and then graduating up to a bigger unit.  The couch, the bathroom, and sleeping arrangements all considered, we did a 180 degree turn-around and decided to go longer and more liveable for our planned year on the road.  We decided that we liked the openness of the twin bed model and the larger bathroom, a shower you definitely could change your mind in, and the already-decided need/want of that beautiful comfy Euro chair.  (My comments in purple below to the conversation in progress:)

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One thing that surprised them was the height of the toilet.  It is plainly too tall for both of them.  They have a question to ask the factory about a lower pedistal....maybe no pedistal.

I do not know about the toilets in the newer models of the 2350 but from the pictures it looks like it is on a pedistal.  But in the 2551, the toilet is much lower since it is a different model toilet and it does not sit on a pedistal.  Having had both the 2350 and now 2551 it was a real surprise when I first used the 2551 after having been used to the 2350.  

You are correct:  the 2551/2 toilet is not on a pedestal - it is "normal" height and has a foot flush.  The 2350 that we saw in production was on a pedestal but Amanda, Stuart's delightful daughter, told us she could check into d/c'ing that pedestal if we were interested.

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They liked our older sliding windows for improved air circulation while parked.  

At first we were not sure if the newer style windows would give us the air circulation but having had both kinds of windows now we find the newer style to work very nice.  Surprisingly you get very good circulation through them.  And the best part is you do not have to worry about them being open if it is raining.  We also like the rimless look on the outside.

Ron's sliders are nice, but as was pointed out, for rain purposes and for not worrying about the dogs cleverly finding a way out while left alone, the new style is really fine.  And, the awning-style window over the driver's side twin bed is actually a full awning top to bottom, on the right half of the window, so gives nice air flow.

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It may be the old uncomfortable jack-knife style sofa.

When someone needed to sleep in our 2350 on the sofa I always placed a piece of memory foam underneath the sheets and there were never any complaints.  I would then roll the memory foam up and store it behind the sofa.

They do put memory foam on this jack-knife sofa now, so it truly is not bad when it comes to comfort.  I tried one out that was being put in a 2100 model -- but this very setup was what convinced me that we did not want to go with a 2350 without a slide, as it felt very "close" for me in there and the bed wasn't even folded down.  It would be fine for a single person or someone with a small dog -- but perhaps not for two humans and several dogs.

It is nice that they had a chance to see your unit so they can now compare the differences between 2007 and 2013.  Hopefully they will be able to pick and chose and get exactly what they want.   Sue

Well, once again, thank you all for your good wishes and extremely helpful advice.  Ron's PC was a good backdrop for us to go see the 2013's and having spent time with him in his, made viewing them at the factory quick and easy.  We believe that we did, get exactly what we wanted.  Love the people at the factory, everyone was terrific, and am glad for Kermit that he has done so well both for himself and all of us who benefit from his hard work!

~marilyn
28  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why? on: July 31, 2012, 06:18:12 am
The bathroom in the 2350 is also very small.  My wife is 5 fee 4 and always said about that bathroom" there is not enough room to change your mind in there."
That is a very interesting way of putting it, and you make your point well.  Our 2350 bath's floor space isn't much to speak of.  Not in the shower and not out of the shower.  You have to pay close attention when turing around in it.  No fast movements or you'll hit something with a body part of one sort or another.

...which makes me chuckle.  If there is not enough room to change your mind in the bathroom of the 2350, I wonder what those of us who have been in the PW vans have been doing all this time?  Perhaps that's why when our camping friends first met us and saw two people and (at that time 4) fairly large dogs get out of the PW for the first time, they called it a circus clown car! We had started camping together and that is what we had and we made it work.

But, mciai2000, generally I think I wait until I get out of the bathroom to change my mind!  Now you can see why we are looking at PC for longer term traveling.  Size and room are relative for each of us, to be sure.  As some posters have pointed out, they love their slides; others love the "coziness" of being slide-less.  Look at a street near you - one house is a cute little bungalow, another a McMansion. 

I continue to listen to all of you and your viewpoints on this.  I asked because I wanted to hear how it looks from your point of view for you.  I know none of you can decide for me -- but I like hearing what has worked for you and why some of you ended up switching.  I appreciate all the comments about slides, chassis, etc.  It's your thoughts I am trying to glean -- knowing what y'all know may help me not to make an expensive mistake this time around. 

Tom Hanlon's point about making up the bed is well taken, but we continue to utilize the old travasaks for that purpose and roll them up in the daytime so the dogs don't squiggle the life out of them.  So it would work for us whether we concentrate on the 2350 or 2552.  I'm looking forward to seeing Ron's unit and getting down to Elkhart -- and thanks again:  keep those thoughts and op'ines coming!
29  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself! on: July 29, 2012, 01:53:30 pm
...I may be biased, but it sounds to me like the 2551 or 2552 is going to be the perfect home away from home for you and your sister due to the twin bed layout... 

Greg & Juliana - thanks so much for the welcome!  And for the advice.  That's what I am looking for -- I would probably look at the 2552 as it has that extra chair up front and that's what we like about the 2350.  Haven't seen the Euro chair in person, but it looks like it would be very relaxing; nice place to work on the laptop for sure.  The twin beds of the 2552 would be similar to our PW layout -- but we were thinking that two separate sleeping areas for sisters in the 2350 might be an added bonus. 

I will continue to listen to responses to this and my other post regarding sleeping comfort of the couch in the non-slide 2350.  I'm excited to be part of the group here and am anxious to get down to see Stuart at the factory and finally get inside a PC. 
30  Main Forum / General Discussion / 2350 or ? What did you choose and why? on: July 29, 2012, 10:36:19 am
As a "newbie" on this forum, I am obviously trying to gather information for what I hope to be my impending purchase of a PC -- I've read lots of posts from those of you who have purchased multiple units from Phoenix, attesting to the quality that you found, but also raising the question of "getting it right" the first time.  I would really like to know from your experiences what you chose, why, what you wish you had chosen, and (for some of you) why you traded up/down...

As somebody considering moving on up from a B into a B+, I really do want to get it right the first time.  I know that none of you can choose for me, but before I head out to Elkhart for my look-see, I was hoping to get the benefit of your experiences and choices.  I'd like to be as smart as Ron and his wife were in '07 choosing their 2350 and hoping to stay with it for the long run as they did both times. 

As 2 sisters traveling with dogs -- obviously we're not going to be as handy as some of you guys who can make mods and repairs to your rigs, so I'd like to make the best decision I can right up front.  We are concentrating on the 2350 from the information on the PC website.  One sister (& her spoiled dog!) can sleep in the back, and one (hopefully) on the couch bed. 

Questions:
  • Anybody with experience sleeping on the couch (whoops! no sad stories about being in the dog house!)  Embarrassed  Comments on comfort? 
  • Those of you with dogs, anything you like/don't like about the setup in your rig?   
  • As a single and not-so-handy-woman, I'm worried about structural integrity and maintenance of a slide, but I also realize that many of you have chosen them.  My current thinking is to opt for the less room for living (in spite of traveling with dogs) and go for the presumably sounder, more weather-proof slide-less version.  Your thoughts?

Thanks again.  I tried to search out answers to these questions before posting, but would appreciate your current thoughts on what you own and why...
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