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301  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Vvvvvvvvvvibration Noise on: September 21, 2013, 09:37:57 pm
At what speed does the vibration start and it is engine rpm dependent or speed dependent?  And once it starts, does it diminish or get worse as speed increases or remain the same even as speed changes?
Skipper, she starts singing around 50mph. She very quickly reaches a steady rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr noise that doesn't seem to change with speed. You can, however, hear it better when you lift off the gas. When you drop back under 50 or so, it stops. Jordan Ford jacked her up and "drove" that way and said under those conditions, the noise starts around 45 mph.
302  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Vvvvvvvvvvibration Noise on: September 21, 2013, 09:32:20 pm
We made it out of Indiana! Obi Wan did the test drive but did not hear the noise He was able to get a thick rubber mat for us that covers the entire cab floor. Bobby installed it over the carpet with the hope that it would deaden the sound. John thinks it did but Im not so sure. I havent driven her yet and the noise is loudest in the drivers seat so he may be the best judge. The floor mat does, however, deaden some of the other noises in the cab so that the combined noise level is tolerable and we can have an actual conversation without screaming. As a bonus, the insulated mat reduces the heat radiating up through that floor and will be so much easier to clean.

We do appreciate everyones efforts in trying to help resolve this issue. We figure were stuck with it and will either get used to it or gradually lose the ability to hear that frequency so we wont care anymore. Maybe it will help keep us from driving too many hours a day. I cant even think what it would take to trade in the coach. Phoenix did so many mods for us to make it work the way we need it and it is awesome in so many ways, I cant imagine starting over.

Jordon Ford did a ton of tests which included putting sensors on the rig in different places to locate the noise. They tested the back, no noise. The center, no noise. The front up under the engine NOISE. They checked everything they thought could spin or vibrate and make the noise. They even pulled out some valve and ran her to see if she made the noise without it yes. They jacked up her rear end and ran her until she made the noise then threw her into neutral and turned her off and the noise continued for several seconds. They simply ran out things they could test. We feel they did far more than most dealers would do. Apparently they dont get paid for the three days of work (with multiple techs). Ford doesnt pay because nothing was found to be wrong with the truck. They cant charge Phoenix because there is no indication it is anything they did. They didnt charge us because we brought it in for a warranty problem (a noise they could all hear) and they couldnt fix it. To top off this great customer service, Jeff the assistant service manager told us to bring it back if anything started acting up and that they would stand behind us if our warranty expired and then the noise manifested itself into a problem that needed repair. They documented everything to show that the problem existed when we bought it.
303  Main Forum / Photos / Re: Scenic Pictures With Our 2007 2350 on: September 19, 2013, 06:26:07 am
Beautiful! We were in that area a couple years ago and loved it. In fact our current plan is to someday retire to the Pacific Northwest. We haven't found anywhere else we like better. So, Ron, your pics are almost all arid climates. How did you like the cooler, wetter and definitely more lush areas?
304  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Vvvvvvvvvvibration Noise on: September 18, 2013, 07:42:46 pm
They don't deny the noise. In fact they verbally described it as annoying as hell. They just can't find the cause. One comment made was that maybe all PCs built on the E450 make the same noise but we know from the responses here that it's not the norm. Yes it's a truck. There is wind noise. The engine is loud. But nobody else has mentioned a fairly loud additional vibration noise that starts when you get up to speed and then stays, and stays, and stays.

If we ever find the cause we'll post it here in case someone else has the same problem. We're secretly hoping Kermit is a Ford savant and instinctively knows what is wrong and how to fix it. Sort of an "Obi Wan Kenobi, you're our only hope".

Hey we can dream, can't we?
305  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Vvvvvvvvvvibration Noise on: September 18, 2013, 05:03:19 pm
Here is the promised update: Jordan Ford had her for three full work days. Today they pulled a panel off the transmission to see if the noise resonated louder through that port. No change. They checked a few more things recommended by Ford manufacturing then made the tough call to us. The answer is they don't know. They've run all the tests. They've checked everything anyone can think of. They are done. After a full week of going back and forth, several days of working on park benches and a few random nights in hotels, we pick her up tomorrow with no resolution. We are going to request a copy of the full write up that they are putting in the system.

The only upside is that it looks like we'll get out of Indiana before it starts to snow. We weren't sure for a while there. We spoke to Kermit and he is going to take it for a test drive tomorrow just to make doubly sure it isn't due to anything Phoenix put on the chassis. It does appear that we may be stuck with the noise forever. Not our best day.

Eventually we head west for a quick family visit in Ohio then on to Gettysburg to try to get the SMI break assist fixed. It worked for less than an hour before it blew its fuse. When we replaced the fuse it started making all kinds of noise when we tested the turn signals etc. We figure they wired something wrong so we are running with it off for now.

Some day we'll laugh at all this... l hope.
306  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Leveling on: September 15, 2013, 08:47:28 pm
Speaking of level, did you know that if you unhook your toad on a slight slope withot first setting the brake, that it will roll across the campground on its own? We do now. We also know that John can run really fast and jump into a moving car and set the brake before it hits anything. I think I'll put that on one our checklists.
307  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Leveling on: September 15, 2013, 08:43:10 pm
Bill, this could work! Just make sure you install the eye screw directly over the intersection of the tiles in the vinyl. When the ball stops over the X, you've good. I can stop using floating tea leaves to find our level. The cat's toys will stop rolling into bathroom on their own. And best of all, the water in the sink can actually find the drain without my help! Genius!
308  Main Forum / Polls / Re: Overnight Parking - Nontradional Campgrounds on: September 15, 2013, 08:46:25 am
I ran into this one a while back. http://www.harvesthosts.com/ " network of wineries, farms and attractions that invite self-contained RVers to visit and stay overnight for free!" We haven't joined so have no say one way or the other. There is a $40.00 annual membership fee and I don't know how many "hosts" they have signed up. I just thought I'd post the option as it may be of interest to someone out there.
309  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Leveling on: September 15, 2013, 08:25:06 am
We have the HWH leveling jacks and John (being an engineer) goes by what they say is level. No matter if I say, "Look, all the water in the pan is flowing toward the rear passenger side". His reply "the jacks say we're level". So we go by what the jacks say and if the refrigerator goes into fault mode. So far, so good. There has only been one time when I was concerned the slope would be enough to roll me out of bed but John was happy and the refrigerator was happy so we were "level".

The only bubbles we have on board are in a little jar with a wand and are wonderful for stress reduction... and making your camping neighbors think you are nuts.
310  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Balloon festival in NY on: September 15, 2013, 08:12:34 am
Aww, Tom, You only live once. I'd do it in a heartbeat... and I'm afraid of heights.
H
311  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Inductive stovetop anyone? on: September 14, 2013, 03:06:29 pm
Ahh, that almost sounds like a challenge. The PC Forum people will be on the lookout for you now. We just might "happen" to camp nearby and chat with your lady. Wine might be involved.
312  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: How did you take delivery? on: September 14, 2013, 03:03:07 pm
Maybe I'll win the lottery someday and can buy a new Cruiser, sure would be nice.
sparky
Sparky, you don't have to win the lottery. You just have to sell everything you own and make a run for the cliff. The running start is to make it harder to change your mind at the last minute. Not having a house to go back to for at least a year really helps with that. John had an epiphany when he hit 60. He decided that if we were going to do this, we should do it now while we can still do all the hiking, kayaking, rafting and general playing that we like to do. We did buy new since we had no experience, couldn't fully analyze problems with someone else's rig and we wanted the warranty to cover anything it needed that first year. The hardest part so far is getting the work time in but you do what you have to do to make your run away dream come true. We are sitting at a picnic table working through the day.

So far, we're REALLY liking it. 
313  Main Forum / Photos / Re: Pictures from Petoskey on: September 14, 2013, 08:13:49 am
AWESOME! Love the shirt.
314  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Inductive stovetop anyone? on: September 14, 2013, 08:12:16 am
Excellent - tell her we need some good Ron Ditmer stories. Even a Phoenix guru like you HAS to have some great bloopers.
315  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Vvvvvvvvvvibration Noise on: September 13, 2013, 09:53:34 pm
I have a sense of deja vu. Here I sit at Shipshewana campground north typing about our vibration noise. We have around 6,500 miles on our PC and she sang for most of them. John and I have become adept at screaming to each other when on the road. We still can't hear the other one, but we keep trying. Thank goodness we have an onboard bathroom as I'd never get him to stop just by yelling.

So, we've spent the last two days in Mishawaka while the Ford guys drove her, jacked her up and revved the engine and tapped on all her parts and felt for vibrations.  They've come full circle and think the noise may be coming from the transmission bell housing, which is what the first guy that looked at it thought back in May. They have a call in to Ford Motors to see if they can shed any light on the problem and I think to get the authorization to start tearing her apart.

While we wait for that response we'll stop by the factory and see if they can diagnose the cause of a water leak that came up last week. There was a heavy storm while we were out of the rig and we got a good amount of water on the floor behind the cab seats... enough to fry a computer and soak all our work papers. John was able to recover from the blue screen of death and we dried mine before turning it on. So far so good... computer wise. Not so great repair wise.

I know a few other people have had similar problems and I will post the solutions when we have them.  Until then, John, Snickers and I can be found hanging out on random park benches in Indiana.
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