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376  Main Forum / Adventure Anywhere / Hanging with the Big Dogs on: October 03, 2013, 01:06:01 pm
This is at a rest area in Ohio... or Pennsylvania. We were struck by the contrast as we came out of the building and saw our PC tucked in with the big rigs. It looks like we washed her in hot water and she shrunk!
377  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Inverter on: October 03, 2013, 09:10:07 am
Tom is correct. Model years 2007 and 2008 (and only those years) have the Tripp-Lite Inverter that Ron Dittmer is a pro on. I thought the converter fan noise was the same for all years but I could be wrong about that. Ron has it all down pat for the 2007 units.
378  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Inverter on: October 03, 2013, 05:47:30 am
Kermit spoke about inverters/converters at the PC Rally. I made a few notes and verified their accuracy with him prior to posting. Here's what I've got:

Phoenix Converter / Inverter Clarification

-   Phoenix originally told people to leave their inverter on all the time. Now they recommend that you leave it off unless you need it. If you are ALWAYS running off shore power, you NEVER need the inverter. It is just along for the ride. You only need the inverter if you are pulling power from your house batteries.
-   The CONVERTER converts the A/C 110 shore power to 12 Volt to power your lights, fans, slide, awning, step, etc. If you can turn it on without plugging in to shore power, the power is coming from your batteries.
-   The INVERTER inverts the 12 Volt power from your batteries to supply A/C 110 power to your electrical outlets, television, etc.
-   In the 2551 and 2552 both the inverter and converter are located under the passenger side bed. Both have fans that run when the unit needs to cool down. This can happen even if they are not actively being used. The converter is the lower section of the metal distribution panel (brown panel with the fuses) on the side of the bed and that is the fan that most people hear running at random times.
379  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Vvvvvvvvvvibration Noise on: September 25, 2013, 07:23:26 pm
How about having John do the glass thing while you drive and take pictures for us? Grin

It's a plan. I'll post them when I get them.
380  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Rubber Floor Mat on: September 25, 2013, 07:16:22 pm
Ron, I believe you are right and this mat might be found about the factory installed aspect. I had actually requested something like this when we ordered the PC but Stuart said the carpet was already in there and it would be $500 to tear it out and put in a mat. We skipped that option... and didn't totally buy the story that Phoenix bought the chassis with our color of carpet already in the cab.

I figured Ford would have it but didn't find it online. Hitting a local Ford parts dealer should net one.
381  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Macerator helper on: September 25, 2013, 09:22:50 am

Rather than dig out my regular hose, I use a 10 foot section of flat hose with couplers on the ends.  This makes things simpler as you can see in this photo.

This would be awesome and will assist in the space issues we have in the back cabinet with all the hoses and electrical cords but I can't find a 10' flat hose. Do you remember where you got yours?
382  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Rubber Floor Mat on: September 25, 2013, 09:14:43 am
If by doghouse you mean the engine cowling/console thingy, I asked Jordon Ford if they could add insulation there and they said no. They said there is insulation in there with a metallic/reflective covering between the insulation and engine but there isn't enough clearance to put in MORE insulation. MAYBE they can remove what is there and put in better insulation. If so, let us know because anything that cuts that heat would be worth it. Besides the floor heat our CD's get really hot to the touch even when the player isn't on. That heat is radiating right up through the dash. Now it was actually welcome the other day when it dropped to the low 40s overnight. We toasted up quickly when we started driving but the majority of the time we don't plan to be playing in the cold so less heat is best.
383  Main Forum / General Discussion / Rubber Floor Mat on: September 24, 2013, 09:36:43 pm
The rubber floor mat was discussed in at least two different posts so I'm giving it its own spot. I am attaching pictures of the mat that Phoenix put in for us in the hope that it would soften the vibration sound we were getting. It does seem to reduce some of the engine noise (not the vibration problem, but other normal noise) and it definitely helps insulate the floor to reduce the heat issue. This is a Ford product and the dealer knew right off what I was asking about and offered to look it up. It has a 1/4 to 1/2 inch of insulation under most of it. The mat tapers to the edges and around connections so the thickness varies. I could not find it online but I may not be using the right terms. I have attached pictures of it in the rig after a long trip and before cleaning. Please forgive the dirt as I wanted to take the pictures and post while I was remembering to do it.

The last shot shows what happens when you take pictures instead of feeding the queen kamping kitty. That isn't a vicious face, that mid-meooooowwwwwwwwww.
384  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Vvvvvvvvvvibration Noise on: September 24, 2013, 05:50:10 pm
OK, I appreciate all the suggestions BUT: Ron - I am not sticking my head in the engine compartment with a vacuum cleaner hose... and Tom - I am not crawling around the floor with a drinking glass. I have no doubt photos of either of those endeavors would wind up on this forum for the amusement of all. As for the stethoscope... John would likely just want to play doctor and while it would surely be fun, we'd get nowhere with the engine noise.

I'm going to put my money on Mark and his mechanic. If they figure it out, he'll post it here and we'll see if we have the same thing. AND we plan to be wandering in Florida a few months from now and we sure as heck would be willing to drive to "Podunkville" if that's what it takes to get it fixed.

385  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: How much lift is "too high" with HWH jacks? on: September 23, 2013, 08:44:06 am
Our jacks fold back up and I don't know what your configuration is, but I don't think folding jacks buy you more clearance. We were in a state park with parking bumpers at the back of the pad and distant electric posts behind us so we were trying to back up as far as we could. Luckily I looked under the coach before it was too late and realized those jacks were NOT going to clear that bumper. I have no idea what it would do to knock them forward when they are in the raised position but I figure it would cost a lot of money to fix that one. The folded jacks hang down a good bit so you have to watch that.
386  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Vvvvvvvvvvibration Noise on: September 22, 2013, 07:29:34 am
Ron, they originally thought transmission, then thought elsewhere, then narrowed it back down to the transmission. However, they pulled an access panel on the transmission housing to see if the noise then resonated louder through that opening and the answer was no. They actually were hoping it would since that would give them something to fix. They were bummed they couldn't conquer the problem and felt they failed.
387  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Vvvvvvvvvvibration Noise on: September 21, 2013, 09:37:57 pm
At what speed does the vibration start and it is engine rpm dependent or speed dependent?  And once it starts, does it diminish or get worse as speed increases or remain the same even as speed changes?
Skipper, she starts singing around 50mph. She very quickly reaches a steady rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr noise that doesn't seem to change with speed. You can, however, hear it better when you lift off the gas. When you drop back under 50 or so, it stops. Jordan Ford jacked her up and "drove" that way and said under those conditions, the noise starts around 45 mph.
388  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Vvvvvvvvvvibration Noise on: September 21, 2013, 09:32:20 pm
We made it out of Indiana! Obi Wan did the test drive but did not hear the noise He was able to get a thick rubber mat for us that covers the entire cab floor. Bobby installed it over the carpet with the hope that it would deaden the sound. John thinks it did but Im not so sure. I havent driven her yet and the noise is loudest in the drivers seat so he may be the best judge. The floor mat does, however, deaden some of the other noises in the cab so that the combined noise level is tolerable and we can have an actual conversation without screaming. As a bonus, the insulated mat reduces the heat radiating up through that floor and will be so much easier to clean.

We do appreciate everyones efforts in trying to help resolve this issue. We figure were stuck with it and will either get used to it or gradually lose the ability to hear that frequency so we wont care anymore. Maybe it will help keep us from driving too many hours a day. I cant even think what it would take to trade in the coach. Phoenix did so many mods for us to make it work the way we need it and it is awesome in so many ways, I cant imagine starting over.

Jordon Ford did a ton of tests which included putting sensors on the rig in different places to locate the noise. They tested the back, no noise. The center, no noise. The front up under the engine NOISE. They checked everything they thought could spin or vibrate and make the noise. They even pulled out some valve and ran her to see if she made the noise without it yes. They jacked up her rear end and ran her until she made the noise then threw her into neutral and turned her off and the noise continued for several seconds. They simply ran out things they could test. We feel they did far more than most dealers would do. Apparently they dont get paid for the three days of work (with multiple techs). Ford doesnt pay because nothing was found to be wrong with the truck. They cant charge Phoenix because there is no indication it is anything they did. They didnt charge us because we brought it in for a warranty problem (a noise they could all hear) and they couldnt fix it. To top off this great customer service, Jeff the assistant service manager told us to bring it back if anything started acting up and that they would stand behind us if our warranty expired and then the noise manifested itself into a problem that needed repair. They documented everything to show that the problem existed when we bought it.
389  Main Forum / Photos / Re: Scenic Pictures With Our 2007 2350 on: September 19, 2013, 06:26:07 am
Beautiful! We were in that area a couple years ago and loved it. In fact our current plan is to someday retire to the Pacific Northwest. We haven't found anywhere else we like better. So, Ron, your pics are almost all arid climates. How did you like the cooler, wetter and definitely more lush areas?
390  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Vvvvvvvvvvibration Noise on: September 18, 2013, 07:42:46 pm
They don't deny the noise. In fact they verbally described it as annoying as hell. They just can't find the cause. One comment made was that maybe all PCs built on the E450 make the same noise but we know from the responses here that it's not the norm. Yes it's a truck. There is wind noise. The engine is loud. But nobody else has mentioned a fairly loud additional vibration noise that starts when you get up to speed and then stays, and stays, and stays.

If we ever find the cause we'll post it here in case someone else has the same problem. We're secretly hoping Kermit is a Ford savant and instinctively knows what is wrong and how to fix it. Sort of an "Obi Wan Kenobi, you're our only hope".

Hey we can dream, can't we?
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