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106  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Winter travel and overnighting iin low 20 degree weather on: November 27, 2013, 08:44:06 pm
I found this while I was looking up the EZ one mentioned above:  looks interesting, big enough for the rhino flex.

Yes, that carrier looks perfect.
We too carry a 3" hose stuffed in a storage cabinet for draining gray water when we're camped in one spot for more than a couple of days. 
Could anyone explain how to attach a carrier under our 2552?
107  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Winter travel and overnighting iin low 20 degree weather on: November 26, 2013, 04:56:03 pm
Hey, I like the look of your sewer hose storage.  Is it the 64" L E-Z Hose Carrier that I see at Camping World online?
Was that carrier easy to install?  I'm guessing that it was harder to do than it looks.
Thanks for the photo,
108  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: First trip on our 2350: a report on: November 11, 2013, 02:45:44 pm
Great report on your first trip!
Thanks for posting,
Bruce and Sharon
109  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2013 Honda CR-V battery discharged after tow on: October 22, 2013, 02:54:23 pm
I ve learned more about adding a battery maintenance system in our CR-V during towing, so here is an update.

As I posted earlier, we had an InvisiBrake supplemental braking system installed in our new CR-V at the time we added the tow bar brackets.  The installer gave me a quick demonstration on the operation of both before I left the shop.  I thought I knew all I needed to get on the road without closely reading the Owners Manuals.

Today I was reading the Invisibrake manual looking for instructions on how to adjust the brake pressure in the toad when I noticed a section called Preparing for towing.  There I found an extra (to me) step to follow when hooking up the toad:

Turn the motorhome park lights on this will activate the InvisiBrake charge circuit, which will provide a constant trickle charge to the vehicles battery during towing.

Wow!  I didnt know of that step before (and didn't imagine that any battery trickle charger was included in the InvisiBrake), but usually turn on the motorhome driving lights when traveling, so that should have been sufficient to activate the trickle charger.  I must have forgotten to use the driving lights during that last trip that ended with a drained toad battery (or the trickle charge system isnt currently operable).  Or the trickle charge is insufficient to maintain the battery with the drain caused by the toads other battery demands with the ignition key on.

Weve learned how to minimize the display on CR-Vs Navigation screen and on long trips will restart and run the toads motor a while during rest stops.  

Will post here again after more travel.

Thanks again for all of your help on this.

110  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Back up camera and monitor on: October 21, 2013, 07:43:05 pm
This is an update relating to our intermittent lack of a clear picture in the rear view monitor.

After describing the symptoms to Kermit on the phone, he thinks the problem was caused by a faulty camera.  He sent us a replacement camera and told me how to reach the connecting cable at the rear.  No need to remove any tail light cover--just pull out the rubber grommet in the rear wall that holds the camera's cable there and pull the line out of the hole.  Then it was very easy to look for a loose connection--none found.   

The old camera was working just before I removed it and the new one is working fine too while we're parked in our storage lot.  Intermittent failures can be very frustrating to stop as one is seldom certain that an attempted fix has made a permanent difference!

We haven't taken any trips since we first reported this issue, but plan to travel over 700 miles in November.  That trip should be a good test to see if the problem is really solved.

Will report again later.

111  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2012 Honda CR-V battery discharged after tow on: October 18, 2013, 06:54:10 pm
Bob, Bob, and Ron,

Thanks for your quick replies.  You're amazing!

I think we have all the info now to accomplish our task--just have to see if and when we can physically do it.

Will let you know here when we get it done.


112  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2012 Honda CR-V battery discharged after tow on: October 18, 2013, 12:52:55 pm
Wow, you folks continue to impress me with your knowledge and willingness to help us complete this battery maintenance feature.

Here is more feedback on what I've found, but first another question:

I'm still not certain what our next step should be.  Do we just attach a single wire to a connection inside of the CR-V's wiring socket that will extend the 12v line to the CR-V's positive battery post, or do we also need to connect a wire to the negative lead to extended it to the CR-V's negative battery post or to ground?

I went back out to the PC to read the voltage available at the end of the coily cable.  As Bob suggested, the 12v does not exist there when the PC ignition key is in the off position, but is there when the ignition key is turned on.  So, unless something in that system fails, the Honda battery should not be drained because of being connected to the PC.  We rarely leave the towd connected overnight as we usually drive it off the explore the local area, but disconnecting the cable would be a simple precaution on those times when the towd is left attached.  The drain from accessories being on in the Honda while being towed is definitely an issue.  Don't know how much current the Invisibrake uses during the trip, plus any other drains that we can't turn off. 

As you've said, having the battery maintenance feature in place while towing should keep the towd's battery in good shape.


113  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2012 Honda CR-V battery discharged after tow on: October 17, 2013, 06:24:13 pm
Hi Ron,

Again your suggestions are very much appreciated.  Here is what I found:

I confirmed with my multi tester that a constant 12v exists in the towd end of the coily cable when the other end is plugged into the PC.

Could not find any 12v existing in the socket of the towd vehicle. 

So, I guess the next step would be to look into the connections inside of the towd vehicle's socket to see what wires are connected there (I'd be expecting to see only the white, brown, yellow, and green ones that go the the towd's lights).  This step would be very difficult for me to do with my weak hands and fingers because of the small working space and tightly wound wires there--might get someone else to do this.

If we find any of the six connectors empty there (and they will match up to the 12v pins of the coily cable), do we just add wires there that will run directly to the towd's battery posts to complete the battery maintenance feature?

Thanks again for your help,
114  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2012 Honda CR-V battery discharged after tow on: October 15, 2013, 10:59:57 pm
Ron and Tom,

Thanks for the additional posts that you've made.  I'm slowly learning how to set up a 12v battery maintenance system for the CR-V.  But, I'm still running into questions that might be too difficult to answer remotely on this Forum.  If so, I'll wait until I can bring both the PC and CR-V to a shop to do this for me.

In any case, if you are curious as to what I've determined so far, here it is:

The good news is that the coach end of our coiy cable has 6 metal terminals and the towd end has 6 terminals.

So, I guess I can plug the coach end of the cable into the coach socket and test with my multimeter to see that we have 12v at the towd end of the cable.  (Do I just insert the meter probes into terminals 1 and 4 to do this?).  

If the above is correct, then we need to run a 12v wire from the towd's socket through a diode to the auto battery.  Sounds easy!

The bad news is that we had Camping World install the tow bar and wiring on the CR-V and so far I haven't located a "rectangular 2 terminal diode" as mentioned in Ron's post.

Part of my problem in tracing the wiring on this project is that Camping World installed an Invisibrake at the same time.  I can see the white, brown, yellow, and green wires running down to the towd's socket (these are for the towd's turn signal, tail, brake, & running lights--no problem here).  

There is a red and a black wire attached to the towd's battery posts, but I can't see where they go (I'm guessing that they are for the Invisibrake control box located under the driver's seat).  

And there are two black wires in wiring bundle that I assume are to connect the Invisibrake control box to the coach's brake lights.  There is a single black wire (separate from the coily cable) that connects the coach and towd for the Invisibrake.  Maybe the "rectangular 2 terminal diode" is also used by the Invisibrake system and is buried out of sight somewhere (I don't really know what to look for).

If nothing else, this project is good brain exercise for an old guy!  Sharon always claims that I'm happiest when working on a project.  LOL


115  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2012 Honda CR-V battery discharged after tow on: October 15, 2013, 12:47:54 am
Wow, great replies to my questions!  You've given us several ways to avoid the battery discharge.
The idea of turning down the display screens is good, and shows again that we had not read much of the Honda owner's manual.  Now we've learned more of the options available with those.  All the added technology in the new CR-V is a big surprise as we didn't realize how much was going to be different compared to our traded-in 2003 CR-V.
It was interesting seeing the modification to the accessory fuse by adding the toggle switch.  We're not skilled enough to make the mods ourselves, but maybe a Honda shop or an auto stereo shop would do that for us.
But, the best cure might be in Ron's reply.  What we understand from him is that our PC already has the 12V line installed in the outside rear socket used with the towing wire harness, and the standard coily cable that we are using has the 12v wire that connects to the Honda.  We're uncertain how to connect the 12v connection in socket on the Honda to the Honda battery for the battery maintenance.
Ron, what is the "2 terminal box is a diode" statement referring to?
Thanks to each of you,
Bruce and Sharon
116  Main Forum / General Discussion / 2013 Honda CR-V battery discharged after tow on: October 14, 2013, 01:14:59 am
On our last leg of a six week trip, we towed our new 2013 CR-V for about nine hours.  We found that the toad battery was fully discharged when we arrived at our destination.  Because the built in GPS, etc. keeps running with the key in the accessory position, we had wondered if that would be enough to drain the battery.  None of our previous legs were more than five hours and the toad always started up at the end of the leg.  After reading the CR-V owner's manual, we see that we should have pulled Fuse 19 during an extended trip.  

Pulling that fuse will be too difficult for me to do on a semi-regular basis because of its location under the dash.  I suspect that a toggle switch could be installed that would accomplish the same thing as removing the fuse, and I'm wondering if any of you have experience with this?

Another approach might be to add a charging line from our coach back to the Honda battery, but that seems to be much more difficult.

Any ideas?

117  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself! on: October 05, 2013, 03:13:11 pm
Welcome to the Forum Bob,

One of the advantages we feel we have with our E-450 over the E-350 is the greater distance above the street that exists at the rear end of the PC.  With the E-350 we often were dragging the tail going into gas stations, parking lots, etc. with the possibility of damaging the macerator that is located back there.

Best regards,
118  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Back up camera and monitor on: September 29, 2013, 10:16:12 pm
We made it to our destination safely today with the rear view camera in a dim mode.
Changing the "channel wave" sounds interesting (don't know what it means either).  Maybe I changed something when I bumped my head on the monitor yesterday. 
 I need to read a manual on this camera and monitor before I do anything else.
Thanks for your help.
119  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Back up camera and monitor on: September 29, 2013, 01:26:14 pm
Thanks for the quick reply to the camera question.
 I removed the screws holding the top center tail light, but found the "ring" that holds the lens in to be firmly attached to the wall.  It seems to be made of plastic and didn't want to move without some force.  Being afraid that I would break it while we're far away from help, I just put it all back as I found it and will try again another day.
Here's hoping that we get at least a dim image during our trip today.
120  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Back up camera and monitor on: September 28, 2013, 11:06:21 pm
Can you tell us where in the coach the loose connection was located?
We were near the end of our 180 mile trip today when the rear view monitor became very dim and then turned completely blue for a short time.  Then the dim image reappeared.  Sounds something like what you experienced.
I haven't had time to start looking for the problem and we plan to be on our way again early tomorrow (Sunday) and hope you can help me locate a loose connection.
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