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16  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: I spent the afternoon in the storage cabinet of my 2350 on: July 14, 2013, 08:16:58 pm
I will take this opportunity to address a problem that is illustrated with the discussion. The vent hose that you discussed which was filled with water.

We found that the vent hose in our 2551 dipped down much as yours did before it vented next to the tank inflow valve. Because of its placement. hat vent hose will fill with water easily if there is any leakage when you add water to the tank. It if loads with water -- as ours did -- two things happen, one it can make adding water a pain, as there is no vent, in our case we had to slow the water flow down to allow the water intake to be its own vent, second if you drive with a full tank, it can act as a suction hose to pull water into the vent hose and out the side of the vehicle.

We applied two solutions: like the photo shows we changed the water hose to eliminte the dip it had, now there is a down hill run to the tank for the water intake -- had to put a device to lift he hose in the middle of the hose, something form home depot from the plumbing area not sure what it is called. Next we replaced the vent hose with a longer hose that loops over the top of the intake hose so that the vent hose does not have a dip, I also carry a small hose that i use to blow into the vent hose before and after we fill if we are not on a fully flat surface.

Now we fill the tak with as much water as will flow from the faucet.

greg and kathy matthews
2551 S

Thanks for the post.  It sounds like the dip in the hose is not just an issue on some of the earlier 2350s but you had it as well on your 2551.  I am now actually looking forward to filling the tank next time - it should take much less time.  Plus now that I can see the tank, I will be able to quickly glance to see how close to full I am. 
17  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: I spent the afternoon in the storage cabinet of my 2350 on: July 14, 2013, 06:09:33 am
newer 2350's don't have this problem... Was a major design change in location, location, location, as the real estate agents would say..

Denny & Barb, thanks for the post.  You have me curious on where the new location is.  Also what was now in the old location?   Did they make this change with the transition to the newer Ford chassis?  Thanks again!
18  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: I spent the afternoon in the storage cabinet of my 2350 on: July 14, 2013, 06:04:40 am
On my previous 2350 and current 2552, I installed an expansion tank that took care of the water pump noise--lot cheaper than replacing the pump.  I also had the water backflow and black gunk in the 2350 water fill/overflow tubes.  I replaced both tubes taking the sag out of each correcting those conditions.

imichael, thanks for the reply.  Can you tell me how many gallons the expansion tank is that you installed?  I am not sure if I want to give up the storage space for the tank.
19  Main Forum / General Discussion / I spent the afternoon in the storage cabinet of my 2350 on: July 13, 2013, 08:55:25 pm
As I look back on the day, I spent much of the afternoon in the outside storage cabinet of my 2350.  I am posting this as others might find some of the information valuable.
The initial plan was to try to improve the hammering that we hear from the fresh water pump.  With the pump right underneath the corner bed of the 2350, it can be a little annoying at night when others are sleeping.  A while back I ran across a new pump (Flojet Sensor VSD Pump - 4.5 gpm) that claims to:

"Flojet's unique Variable Speed Drive system needs no pressure switch. Its microprocessor provides precise speed control to match the system demand. As more water is needed, the motor drives the pump for more flow. As the demand lessens, the motor slows to a super-quiet speed, yet maintains a steady pressure. The result is an unbelievably home-like flow. This smooth performance from no flow to maximum flow is sensor controlled, without any cycling - so an accumulator tank is not needed. The system is free of pulsation, water hammer and temperature swings. Amp draw reduces as flow reduces to conserve energy, ranging from less than 1 amp to a max.of 10 amps. Self priming up to 10'. Automatically adjusts to 12V or 24V input. "

The pump was rather pricey at nearly twice that of a standard pump but I thought I would give it a try.  I finally got around to it this afternoon and the installation was rather easy.  Unfortunately as I turned on the pump it was as loud as my original pump.  I thought the new pump was even more annoying due to the fact the frequency of the hammering would vary with the water flow.  I then thought that maybe some pipes were loose and were banging against each other so I removed the back corner panel in my storage compartment.  Sure enough the fresh water tubes were rattling against each other and I used some pipe insulation to correct that.  But I still had the hammering of the new pump.  I put the old pump on and the noise was improved with the pipe insulation.  Base on this, I think the folks with the accumulator approach have the right idea.  I will try to call the manufacturer next week to see what the have to say.

Well while I had the storage compartment empty I thought I would check to see why when I fill my fresh water tank, shortly after I start I would get water flowing out the input as I fill it up.   I would have to really slow the water flow down to keep water escaping which really added to the time to fill the tank.  There is a vent right next to the opening where you fill the fresh water tank but it did not seem to be doing the job.  So I opened that wall of the cabinet to see what was going on.  I am glad I did as I found that the clear tubing that goes to the vent was full of water and the clear tubing was very black on the inside.  The tube had a big loop that would collect water because both ends were higher then the loop.  There was no place for the water to escape and would in effect block the flow of air in the vent.  In addition the tube had a kink that pinched off air flow as well.  I am sure water had to collect over the winter months and freeze in this tube.  I haven't been able to determine a good reason why the loop was installed like it was, anyone have any ideas?  I went ahead and took that tube out and replaced with a new clear tube.  This time I still have a loop in the tube, but I have the loop above both of the ends so water can not collect.  Also the top of the loop is now higher then the top of the tank to minimize the likelihood that water would escape out the vent.  I am glad to get that black tube out of my fresh water system.

The big win for the afternoon is finding extra space for outside storage.  The space is 8" x 12" x 24", just enough to be of some value.  This is the space between the fresh water tank and the side wall of the rv.  I will attempt to post a couple of pictures to better show the original black tube, the extra space I am claiming for storage and the installation of the new clear tube.

Even though the new pump did not work out, I did make some progress for all the time I spent in the storage cabinet.  I hope some of you find some value in this post.


20  Main Forum / Photos / Re: PC 2350 No Slide w/ Honda CRV on: July 09, 2013, 06:22:36 am
Thanks Ron!  Based on your pictures, we have the 2007 chassis as we have the tan-ish colored interior.  We don't have the fancy wood grain on ours, that must have been an optional upgrade.  Your pictures had me curious on what the 2013 dash looks like.  A quick google search showed me the following of a 2013 E-150, I am assuming the same dash is offered for the E-350 and E-450.  That may be an incorrect assumption as this XLT dash may not be available in the E-series cutaway?
21  Main Forum / Photos / Re: PC 2350 No Slide w/ Honda CRV on: July 08, 2013, 09:42:24 pm
Thanks Bill!   Glad to read that you really like your 2350, we really like ours too.  It seems to be just the right size rv for the 3 of us (wife, daughter and me).  Ours has the couch which easily makes a bed for our daughter.  I did install a bigger table top for the 3 of us, works great.  My wife and I sit at the couch while our daughter sits in a captains chair that I installed that swivels around while eating.   It looks like your 2008 has the newer Ford chassis.  We missed that by just a year.  Thanks again!
22  Main Forum / Photos / Re: PC 2350 No Slide w/ Honda CRV on: July 08, 2013, 04:48:55 pm
Thanks Barb!!
23  Main Forum / Photos / Re: PC 2350 No Slide w/ Honda CRV on: July 08, 2013, 05:47:42 am
Thanks Ron!  I appreciate you letting me know about this forum.  There is a lot of good information here.
24  Main Forum / Photos / Re: PC 2350 No Slide w/ Honda CRV on: July 07, 2013, 09:30:53 pm
Thanks Bruce!   I know I am already learning a lot on this forum and getting some good ideas for some enhancements.  I wish I would have run across it several months ago. 
25  Main Forum / Photos / PC 2350 No Slide w/ Honda CRV on: July 07, 2013, 08:50:14 pm
It is great to see all the photos of everyone's Phoenix Cruisers on this forum.  We bought our 2007 Phoenix Cruiser 2350 late last summer.   We feel lucky finding this one for sale just a few miles from where we live.  Moving up from a class B that we had for many years, we really like the extra room of our 2350.  We are new to this forum . . . I will attempt to attach a picture.
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