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61  Main Forum / General Discussion / Towing Ford Edge Limited AWD on: May 10, 2014, 10:43:23 am
I thought I'd post about towing a 2013 Ford Edge Limited AWD (with Adaptive Cruise Control and keyless ignition), since there seems to be a lot of questions on the different forums regarding this setup.  I think we are the only folks on this forum that tows this particular vehicle, but it may help others in the future.

We have the Blue Ox baseplate and SMI Stay-In-Play supplemental braking equipment.  We also have a trickle charge line from the coach to the Edge and are using the Edge's brake lights and turn signals (with diodes)

We have had no problems with the battery running down and everything works as expected. Having said all that, I think that folks may have problems and/or confusion for a couple of reasons....

The Ford instructions seem a bit counter-intuitive, but they work!  I keep this checklist handy and use it religiously every time once the car is hooked up to the towbar:

- Start car.
- Put climate control in recirculated air mode to keep
exhaust fumes from entering car from motorhome.
- Put headlights in off, not auto.
- Turn off radio.
- Run engine for 5 minutes.
- With the engine running and your foot on the brake,
shift into position D and then into position R before
shifting back into position N.
- Release parking brake
- Place ignition in the accessory position (put foot on
brake, press button to shut off engine, remove foot
from brake, press button to place in accessory mode)
- Switch on SMI braking system (flip switch to the right)
- Pull breakaway pin to test that brakes work.  Reinsert pin.
- Check operation of brake lights and turn signals on Edge
when activated from coach.
- Do not exceed 65 mph.  Do not back up.
- Start engine and allow it to run for 5 mins at the
beginning of each day and every six hours thereafter.

The part that doesn't seem to make sense initially is where you need to shut off the engine and then put the car in accessory mode.  With keyless ignition, you would think this is a bad idea because it powers up some stuff and you don't have or need a physical key in the ignition to unlock the steering column.  However, if you just shut the car off it will display a message to 'Place Vehicle in Park' and the two information screens remain on.  At this point, pressing the ignition button without a foot on the brake activates accessory mode and that message goes away.  After a few minutes all displays automatically shut off if you are in accessory mode.

Having a trickle charge line allows the use of the Edge's lights without killing the battery.

Now, the issue(s) with adaptive cruise control.....

1) Installing a supplemental braking system in the engine compartment might be a little trickier, due to the room that the adaptive cruise equipment takes up. 

2) Not sure if this is totally due to having adaptive cruise equipment, but the baseplate will need to be mounted between the Ford emblem and the license plate, which is about halfway up the front of the car.  This requires that you have a hitch riser on the coach receiver (well, on the PC anyway)

So far setting up and towing the Edge has been very easy and trouble free for us.

   - Mike
62  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: High pitched whine on: May 10, 2014, 12:13:32 am
If you don't have a pair of Pomeranians, I don't know what the cause of the whine could be...

   - Mike
63  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Hydraulic Jack (HWH) Issue -- Anyone?? on: May 09, 2014, 11:34:30 am

You'll probably need to do a bit of troubleshooting to see if it's a hydraulic problem, or a bad magnet or switch, or a control board.  If any of the jacks extend even 1/4-1/2 inch, for any reason the lights will come on.  I would guess that they would look like they were fully stored, when they might not be.  Here is an short except from the HWH troubleshooting manual for my model:

"Each jack has a two wire magnetic warning switch. The switch is located on top of the jack. There is a magnet inside the jack. The contacts of the switch close when the jack has extended approximately 1/4 to 1/2 inch. The contacts open when the jack is retracted. The white wire in the harness supplies a ground to the switch and the black wire carries a ground signal to the control box when the jack is extended and the switch contacts are closed."

Here is a link to the HWH Manuals and troubleshooting guides:

   - Mike
64  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Blu-Ray DVD player failure on: May 07, 2014, 01:20:27 am

Are you talking about the BluRay player over the third chair?  If so, ours is pretty easy to remove.  The unit has like a glue tape under the two front corners.  If I lift the unit up a bit (not much room, but it does move) and pull it forward it will come loose of the glue tape.  Then you can easily slide it out and look at the connections.  There is enough cable/cord there to get it out enough to see what's going on.

  - Mike
65  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: MICHELIN TIRE RECALL on: May 06, 2014, 09:43:08 am
Costco seems to be a Michelin dealer.  I've ordered tires from them before online and they ship them to the local store for installation.  Wonder if they still have stock?

   - Mike
66  Main Forum / Adventure Anywhere / Re: Where are all the Phoenix Cruisers? on: May 06, 2014, 09:25:47 am
I wonder if this may be the effect of using a dry wash type of cleaner?  Diamond Shield says they do not recommend any type of dry wash cleaner, since they are designed for non-porous surfaces.... and a paint protection film is porous.

The DS website says this about removal:
Removing the Diamond Shield can be accomplished by starting at one corner and slowly peeling back. A heat gun may be used to facilitate the removal.

   - Mike
67  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Solar installation on: May 04, 2014, 11:57:12 am
Kermit, definitely.  Even Earl could probably send you some schematics/drawings, or even a short video of the areas you are looking at.

There is a new model 2450 for sale on the PC web page that apparently has solar.  It doesn't show the panels, but does show a control/monitor panel in one of the pictures (I think it's right near the main coach door stairwell). Wonder what equipment they use and how they ran the wiring for that.

  - Mike
68  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Right Mirror on: May 04, 2014, 11:50:55 am
For me, the shorter mirrors work out fine enough.  What I generally want to see more than I can right now is where traffic is located in the lanes next to me, but farther back.  Like a truck or fast moving car when I'm planning a lane change.

I've read that many of those 'attachment' type mirrors, due to how they are mounted, vibrate or bounce enough to make them a less than attractive option....(hard to see stuff when the mirror is shaking)

The huge awning is one of our favorite things about the PC.  One of the folks who was shopping for PC's and came to look at our rig was wondering if the factory could install an awning without the supports/rails along the side of the rig.  Apparently he had previous rigs without the supports and preferred them.

        - Mike
69  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Right Mirror on: May 03, 2014, 11:57:31 pm
There are also options for side view cameras, both wired and wireless.  Here is just one type/example....

   - Mike
70  Main Forum / Adventure Anywhere / Re: Minnesota/North Dakota on: April 30, 2014, 08:57:07 pm
Um....Mall of America in Bloomington, Minnesota?

Recommended to me a few months ago are two scenic byways....perhaps something on those routes?

   - Mike
71  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Replacement Backup Monitors on: April 28, 2014, 09:51:53 pm
Can't be much help, but here is the monitor installed on our PC late last year....

    - Mike
72  Main Forum / Polls / Re: Does your Phoenix Cruiser have a slide out? on: April 27, 2014, 03:22:33 pm

1. Yes, with sofa
2. No problems
3. Yes, definitely.  The extra breathing space is necessary.
4. Yes, definitely. 
73  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Drivers Side Propane Connection? on: April 26, 2014, 07:29:40 pm
Yay!  I'm sure you'll like it.  I would take a good look at the optional case though.  You may find it too big and may want to make your own or find an alternative.  Magma makes such great products.  I also love their nesting pans.

  - Mike
74  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Drivers Side Propane Connection? on: April 26, 2014, 06:37:55 pm

Yes, it works with the low pressure side of things.  The type 3 regulator is actually a control valve for low pressure.  A type 1 regulator allows you to use those little canisters.  Here's the link to the actual site where you can read about it, and the link to the manual is on the right side of the page.

- Mike
75  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Drivers Side Propane Connection? on: April 26, 2014, 01:11:00 pm
Well, I've been using my BBQ during trips for a while now and can say that it's a really nice piece of equipment.  It is a Magma model a10-603 w/optional Magma LPG hose kit model a10-225 and type 3 regulator.  This is the RV model with flip out legs, not the boat model with boat mounts.  It is high quality stainless steel, but light and easy to clean. It weighs about 15.5 lbs and is 22.6"x14.8"x13.3".  The grill surface is 9"x18".  The size may look to be too small for some folks, but it is a bit deceptive.  I've cooked enough for four easily on the thing.....lobster tails, steak, burgers, corn, asparagus. It puts out lots of heat and I have had no problems with moderate wind so far.

I also purchased the carry/storage bag, and I have to say that it is well oversized.  You can also store utensils, hoses and regulators (LP bottles too) in it.  Since I have an LP gas connection of the side of the rig and don't carry bottles, the BBQ and hoses with storage bag fit nicely in the top shelf of the rear passenger side storage compartment.  Without the bag, it takes up lots less space.

I paid about $160 for the BBQ alone on Amazon, but it is also available at Sears, Camping World, etc.  Highly recommended!

I've also used the grill mats that you can get from QVC or Amazon.  They can be cut to size and they're reversible, reusable and washable.  What I like is that it keeps the grill cleaner, grill marks still come through and you can easily grill small or thin things like veggies.

   - Mike
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