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16  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Tire pressure/weight on: April 19, 2012, 01:49:26 pm
So, heres what I take away from this - you have 2 guidelines to land between:


1) The Michelin Guide (generally lower pressures) allowed for an actually weighed vehicle. To this, add Barry-Sues maxim, (important) that if you have the individual loaded corner weights, the pressure for front axle tires should be equal, and rear axle tires should be also be equal; and dependent on the heaviest weighted corner for that axle.  Dont have that data?  Add a few extra pounds pressure to all and be done.

2) The Phoenix Guide (generally highest pressures) accounting for a fully maxed out GVWR.


Any pressure between these two recommendations is entirely acceptable, at least in terms of tire safety alone.
17  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Big v10 or small v10 on: April 15, 2012, 01:56:57 pm
So while the 3-valve Class A motor does produce more power, its advantage is entirely consumed by the models attributes its powering.

On the other hand, who doesnt like more?  Yet more also gets you less.  Less fuel economy and less quiet that engine has the same peak torque rpm rating, but has to run at higher rpm to produce that extra horsepower.  And less cockpit comfort - the Class A motor will running hotter in the E-series.

Heat both saps power and intensifies the wear and aging of the motor and auxiliary components and systems.  The relatively cramped E-series doghouse only further intensifies those issues.

Whether on van or pickup chassis, weve all noted in the last few years weve gone to relatively giant and up-sized front grilles.  While yes, they make a given truck look more macho or butch their greater benefit is in service of more efficient motor cooling.

In this case, the Styling AND Engineering Departments both get what they want.
18  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Big v10 or small v10 on: April 15, 2012, 01:33:41 pm
I our case, I wouldnt engage in Class A envy, Billy.  Chances are when comparing overall performance between the Phoenix Cruiser units against any other V-10 Class A chassis, (or even typical Class Cs with the lower rating for that matter) youre well out ahead in performance and mileage.  The 8% increase in torque is entirely eaten up by the heavier chassis and loaded weight of a Class A.  Weight consumes torque.

In the case of horsepower, the 16% increase may seem like a lot, but that is also entirely consumed as well by shear wind resistance and drag.  Wind resistance created by sheer frontal area, drag created not only by the rear house walls greater dimensions, but the larger gap between chassis and the road surface.

Thing of what it is youre pushing AND dragging through the air:


Phoenix Cruiser/B+ = Shed Door

 Class C = Garage Door

Class A = Barn Door
19  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Big v10 or small v10 on: April 15, 2012, 01:33:10 pm
Heres a Ford link where you can compare both chassis:

https://www.fleet.ford.com/showroom/specialty_vehicles/Motorhome.asp


Class A 6.8 V-10: 362 hp/4750 rpm

Class C 6.8 V-10: 305 hp/4250 rpm


Class A 6.8 V-10: 457 lb-ft/3250 rpm

Class A 6.8 V-10: 420 lb-ft/3250 rpm


Granted, it can get really complicated really fast - both horsepower and torque figures make their own characteristic contributions to forward propulsion.  But generally speaking, torques contribution is grunt what it is that gets you moving, and what factors most greatly in terms of acceleration.  If you look at some Class A diesels, youll often find horsepower ratings often barely breaking 300 hp, yet torque ratings often climb into the 600+ lb-ft realm.

Horsepower, again speaking generally, is the force that more accurately predicts your ability to continue propelling a given load at a given speed at least until the next hill or grade, at which point your load requirements change, and torque takes over once again.
20  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Big v10 or small v10 on: April 14, 2012, 07:56:06 am
Hey Billy -

Am rushing out the door this AM, but off the top of my head, both the same motor.  If I remember correctly, "we" have a 2-valve per cylinder head, while "they" have 3 valves.  Significant gain in horsepower, less impressive gain in torque - but same displacement, same basic hamburger patty, only the "bun 'n fixin's" are different.

E-series chassis vs the F53 chassis(?) (super-duty) I think?

Even some of the Cummins and MaxxForce diesel engines of a given displacement in Class A's have different states of "tune", different "buns" to more closely match anticipated duty cycle of the chassis, whether via valves, cams, compression, injection specs, turbos, etc.

I'll check more closely later today and see what else I can dredge up.
21  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: PC on the cover of FMCA magazine again on: March 31, 2012, 07:00:01 am
Here's the link:

http://www.fmcmagazine.com/motorhome-articles/6989
22  Main Forum / Polls / Re: Toads or tow vehicles? What brand do you use? on: March 20, 2012, 09:18:40 am
Where I used to work?

We were the sole provider for 2 separate E-chassis parts, or so were we told.

All were shipped to Lorain, OH.
23  Main Forum / Polls / Re: Toads or tow vehicles? What brand do you use? on: March 02, 2012, 10:02:49 pm
If we are to focus solely on PC issues, and of which I have up until now - I have not only attested to my own approval of anyones choice of toad, but have provided additional info as well.  And yet, more than 47 days later, somehow, a flag need be waved?

Honest to God, Im done now on this topic.  I would say only, look ALL results.  Dont allow anyone to make you feel guilty.  Pay attention to the total financial result and NOT labels.  Whether we be current or POTENTIAL PC owners.  Whether we be current toad owners or POTENTIAL toad owners.  Whether or not a toad product offered makes sense for PC owners needs or not, regardless of manufacture or nameplate.

The truth is out there.  So is the data.  If the domestics have decided to ignore our needs, why should you care if they do or dont?  They dont care about you so why should you care about them?  And if so, why should you care so much about the political considerations of your own choices, if your own choices end up ACTUALLY profiting others?  Your apparent confusion only confuses us all.

And how does ANY of this have ANYTHING to do with Phoenix Cruiser in the first place?  The HHR is built and assembled in Mexico.  Any and all PCs are manufactured, built and assembled in Indiana.  And thats all that matters to me.

If ANYTHING else matters, youd better actually know why it either does or does not matter, beyond a mere Nameplate if thats your entire argument in the first place.  I rest my case.  Done.

Lets all wave the flag
24  Main Forum / Polls / Re: Toads or tow vehicles? What brand do you use? on: March 02, 2012, 07:27:46 pm
Aimee Said:

>>>>  Oh, I think we've veered far enough off this topic and off PC's in general. Current or potential buyers are not likely to find much here of usefulness. Can we bring it back on topic, please?

I cannot disagree in any way with your chastisement.  Thanks, Aimee!  (Aimee smacks DownBy_TheRiver upside the haid)

I and others posting here are all about Phoenix Cruiser.  Ive more than adequately disclosed why I still remain a die-hard PC enthusiast, but am not as of yet an owner.  While I could theoretically buy any Cruiser thrice at this late date, I must await the resolution of many personal issues prior to purchase, whether due unresolved employment, familial and/or financial issues in the current economy.  I admire those posters whove arrived.  My own personal circumstances are awkward, as Ive been currently denied my own previously-planned and invested-in arrival by recent circumstance, as I should have otherwise been allowed.  Im youngn, generally speaking.

I would hope that as a wannabe, and as Aimee herself mentions: (the concerns of) current and POTENTIAL owners, that my observations and critiques as a potential owner are valued regardless of whether or not I agree on tangential issues, whether raised by current owners or potential owners.   As a potential owner, I hope to benefit from the best possible coach PC can produce (as I believe theyre the best coach already available), and of which I can possibly purchase in the near future.  In my personal circumstance as a potential owner, PCs coaches mean more to me as a likely future full-timer, than as do current part-timers; nor as any other available coach - as far as I can research.
25  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Troubleshooting electrical problems in rear camera hookup on: March 02, 2012, 05:06:37 pm
My own personal preference as a potential PC owner and solo fulltimer?

I would rather delete the rearview mirror altogether, and rely on a larger rear-view carmera display in its place otherwise.
26  Main Forum / Polls / Re: Toads or tow vehicles? What brand do you use? on: March 01, 2012, 01:45:30 am
DJM Said:

>>>>  Keep your chin up and head held high because your are an AMERICAN and I guarantee your outlook and future will get better because you live in AMERICA!

Hoo-Hoo!  Agree whole-heartedly!  And the same for PC!  My own family history IS the American Experience!  Currently though, I just hope reality is realized sooner, rather than later!  My ancestors relied more on later rather than sooner, and it paid off in spades.  And has thus far paid off for me as well in these modern times.  While I cannot deny that patience is a virtue, I cannot also discount that apathy, these days; is all-too-readily embraced as either patience or virtue.  Get real, people!

The clocks a-tickin!
27  Main Forum / Polls / Re: Toads or tow vehicles? What brand do you use? on: March 01, 2012, 01:44:51 am
My then-current boss was NOT given the company by his father.  He BOUGHT it from his father.  At FULL value.  Ironically, I came to find out that my paternal grandmother, as a European WW1 widow and indentured servant immigrant (white slave lets not mince words) , was his fathers nanny almost a century ago now.   And so provided me, not a sense of entitlement, but a sense of pride for a business not my own, and for a pride of capitalism and America.  Not only had this business profits provided for the establishment of a foothold for my family in America almost a century ago, but amazingly, had also provided for my familys security today.  Admittedly a quite unusual personal circumstance, but yet - Thank God for my employer!  This company and others not only provided for my needs currently, but had also provided the very means by which my own family was able to come to America in the first place!

While I personally liked his father, I did NOT like him - yet I absolutely RESPECTED him and his family.  And with the exception of his idiot son and daughter, every other family member worked well, and worked HARD - just as we all did, and were all proud for being allowed the privilege of being able to be productive, AND earn a good and honorable living as well.
28  Main Forum / Polls / Re: Toads or tow vehicles? What brand do you use? on: March 01, 2012, 01:43:48 am
And, Wow to you DJ, as well as others!

Just so you know, Im speaking as a life-long registered Republican, AND as a past business owner, AND as an inveterate family-owned business employee, such as with your own employees.  As an employee, I have never chosen ANY other type of employer.  With a family-owned business, you know whos in charge of what, and decisions are made swiftly and accurately; and all credit due your efforts and success is swiftly appreciated and credited.  You always know where you stand.  Reality.  There is no such nobility, nor such reality as a small business.  These are the businesses that are the backbone of America, and those employers who provide the most jobs, the most OPPORTUNITY to us all.

I understand profit all too well.  Profit is what creates real jobs real wealth reality.  I KNOW that.  In my last job?  While aware we grossed $40M, I was also aware that almost all of that was eaten up by maintenance, shipping, tooling, electricity, taxes of all kinds, insurance of all kinds, telephony, etc.  And most of all, PAYROLL, blah, blah, blah.  Had we no profit, we would have nothing.  However, most saw the $40M figure, but could not understand what NET means.  And thats even BEFORE taxes!  LOL!  Many bridled against the owners apparent wealth, yet never realized that he was due that wealth for taking a personal financial risk, each and every day.  And further, regardless of his personal extravagances, few, if any, would understand that in robbing the owner of any and all income, profits or benefits paid on his behalf that this sum would only finance something on the order of a 20-cent raise for us all.  AND would rob us all of the very motivation by which he might continue, and his own obvious talent in securing contracts.  I get it.
29  Main Forum / Polls / Re: Toads or tow vehicles? What brand do you use? on: February 29, 2012, 11:30:50 pm
PLEASE - do not take my comments as a critique of any individual it is absolutely not meant in that spirit.  Its only a critique of what I see as outmoded thoughts as juxtaposed against current realities.  The old ideas no longer pertain.  Buy(ing) American  is a 30+ year old sentiment that is no longer operative or of value.  Such sentiment, as originally advanced, as being in support of American employment.  A more modern, relevant slogan should be Employ Americans.  These days, buying American aint necessarily employing Americans any longer, nor necessarily profiting Americans, either.

30  Main Forum / Polls / Re: Toads or tow vehicles? What brand do you use? on: February 29, 2012, 11:30:19 pm
In spite of it all, I love the HHR.  It could have been built here, but it wasnt.  You either have a better idea, product, profitability or productivity, or you dont.  Foreign manufacturers do no worse or better here in benefiting all Americans than Domestics, whether in sales, manufacturing or employment.  Its all a wash now.  Why be concerned any longer over nameplates?   Profits are distributed internationally, while domestic plant wages and costs are not.  Im willing to bet that more mortgages are paid, more gas is put into tanks, more taxes are paid, more pensions are paid, and more food is lain upon families tables by domestic wages and costs than profits do.  Wages paid me by ANY employer, or actual capital investment in the US by ANY manufacturer; strike me as being more American in nature than any dependency on American bailouts, unemployment benefits or welfare.  America is more an idea an ideal, than a label.  Allowing us to work smart to work hard AND to EARN our wages fairly is more American than whom it is we think we work for.  I want money I need money - but I want to WORK for it.  If Ford or GM has no work available for me?  Oh well, theyre no more American than any one else these days.

Sorry Im passionate.  I love America.  And I believe that unless we embrace radical change on many fronts, well fail as a country and as an idea.  Equating the support of buying Ford or GM or Washington as being patriotic no longer necessarily profits either individual Americans, nor the American idea.

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