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31  Main Forum / Polls / Re: Toads or tow vehicles? What brand do you use? on: February 29, 2012, 11:29:34 pm
I apologize I went rouge (off-topic) perhaps.

I only commented, because it (American jobs and profits) seemed to matter as a posted opinion.  It matters to me too - greatly.  And if it does matter to anyone else, all Im saying is, its not that simple.

>>>>  Ive heard all those arguments before, especially from my loquacious bother-in-law. Bottom line: buying from an American car company creates jobs and profits for America and Americans.

Weve all heard those arguments.  But analyze the fruit of whats reality as well. Buying from foreign companies ALSO creates jobs and profits for American investors and Americans workers.  Oftentimes in far greater abundance these days.  Foreign nameplates continue to build new US plants and hire many thousands of workers, while Detroit and Silicon Valley continue to idle or close plants and call centers, and lay off workers.  Just food for thought.  As but one example, Hondas factories in the United States have recently been a net exporter of vehicles to other countries.  Many such examples exist in all other product lines.

Its sad that the US, the most creative and technologically capable country cannot figure out how to, or decide to, compete with those who simply improve upon our own designs and patents.  Its the management and shareholders of American companies that create this problem.  Government too.  Its sad, but its reality.

The US also has unrivaled worker productivity and work ethic so its not just wages and benefits alone.  Even Toyota, Honda, Hyundai, Mazda, Mitsubishi, Kia, Volkswagen, BMW and Mercedes thrive as manufacturers here in the US, among but a few.  The US needs once again to become a net exporter and creditor and manufacturing is the key component.  Not necessarily Ford or GM manufacturing but DOMESTIC manufacturing and export of all kinds - predicated primarily on a US workforce that provides for US jobs, wages and contracts.  If Ford, GM, Apple or Microsoft cant get it together here in the US?  Oh well.  Id rather stand with American middle-class wage earners than with corporate interests.


32  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Towed vehicle - question on: February 29, 2012, 10:09:22 pm
Great logic -

Any force applied out of 0 degrees horizontal is leverage.  Leverage multiplies otherwise static weight or mass.  At some point beyond zero degrees horizontal, a tow-bar becomes a lever, positive or negative.  And when braking, you have front axle suspension dive that raises the RV's rear end beyond horizontal, regardless of auxiliary toad braking, eh?
33  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Question for 3100 owners on: February 29, 2012, 10:00:42 pm
While I cannot make any valid observations as a PC owner, I am allowed to make valid observations as a potential owner, right?  While current owners might not find my observations or questions worthy of consideration, perhaps PC might be interested in my comments as a future customer?

Yes Im a PC wannabe.  Certainly, I cant make valid observations regarding the actual experience of day-to-day operational occupation and ownership of a PC.  And I have not.  Thats why I read this forums postings by those who are both experienced RV owners and PC owners.  I need to learn.  But I think I can be allowed commentary or questions on obvious design issues otherwise?  As raised by myself or others?

Ive been an engineering, architectural, mechanical and design student by education, employment and personal inclination otherwise.  As for theoretical design issues, the PC brochure and website provides copious photographs, specifications and scaled floorplans that can be accurately reviewed and analyzed for the benefit of current owners, future owners, and for PC itself.

Frankly, I SHOULD have been a PC owner of at least 2 years standing by now.  I researched and settled upon PC back in 2007.  All research and reading since then has only strengthened my resolve as a future PC owner.  My anticipated ownership was to be a transitional step between part-timing and full-timing.  But the changes in the economy and related personal, employment and financial issues have delayed my ownership of both a PC, and the associated lifestyle.

Reality has changed my needs from the possibility of a previously-transitional step between part-timing and full-timing into what would need to be a full-timing necessity.  If not in settling for a premature retirement, but if only because I now need consider, via an RV; to seek gainful employment far from my current bricks and mortar reality.  Investments that I can neither emotionally part with nor sell profitably currently.

At this time, I cannot afford both.  My only consolation is that in the interim, PC has continued improving their product, and continues to do so based on our input.  And thats VERY important to me and other potential owners.

While my input here may be of little benefit to current owners, I can assure you that everyones input here is of GREAT benefit to me.  And probably to PC as well.
34  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Question for 3100 owners on: February 29, 2012, 08:40:19 pm


I'm also more a blogger and a reader than a TV watcher as well.  But that isn't necessarily so for all current or future PC owners.  And as voiced on this forum for a long time now, there is significant "chatter" devoted to which floorplan best accommodates TV viewing.

All I'm trying to say, is that for a few hundred dollars devoted to a swing-arm TV setup either optionally OR as standard equipment - that either PC might avoid many thousands of dollars expense of R&D, or profit; or that many PC buyers could avoid having to choose a less TV-friendly floorplan over that which might suit their greater wishlist otherwise.

More satisfied buyers and owners for the least additional cost.  Thats all.  And as an additional selling point for PC?  What other RV manufacturer might consider including a telescoping or otherwise adjustable TV mount?  No one else, as far as I can tell.  Win-win!
35  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Question for 3100 owners on: February 29, 2012, 05:24:18 pm


Looking at Barry-Sues swing-arm TV setup, I would say that whether standard, or offered as a factory option; this could well be the single most valuable and cost-effective feature for both PC and potential owners.

My own thoughts, as well as discussion here, seems to have people choosing floorplans to accommodate viewing habits, rather than the other way around.  I think the floorplan and furnishings are more important in supporting overall personal usefulness & lifestyle, so its regretful that buyers need choose between overall utility vs TV.

A TV arm modification is small potatoes, while floorplan and furniture modifications are much more costly.  Not only financially, but in lost owner satisfaction as well.

The existing over-cab furnishings can remain as are currently designed and manufactured, and the owner can best choose their own viewing angle from anywhere in the coach, no matter what their habits or needs.
36  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Towed vehicle - question on: February 29, 2012, 04:52:03 pm
Hey Deena -

All good advice above,

All those adjustments will make a significant difference, but might it also be more noticeable because you've downsized from a class A?

If your RV is the "bouncer", it once was a "sumo" - but is now a mere "heavyweight" or "middle-weight"?



37  Main Forum / Polls / Re: Toads or tow vehicles? What brand do you use? on: February 27, 2012, 08:58:38 pm
Darnit!!!  I hate to get all political an all, but it does factor in

We cant entirely ignore the profit motive.  The profit motive is the primary influence on any manufacturers decisions regarding domestic content, factory investment and point of assembly.

Once we cruise past this April, the United States will have the highest corporate tax rate in the entire World.

Profits booked in either Japan or Canada will be taxed significantly less than in the US.

While this will have little effect on the Japanese, especially due the shipping costs that can still be avoided; what of Canada & Mexico?  What of American manufacturing profits?

Profits booked in Canada will be, and have been; taxed significantly less.  Profits made in Mexico will be taxed at a FAR, FAR less ratio than in the US.

Ill have better luck finding an auto or manufacturing job in Mexico.  Or Canada.  But to easily emigrate to Canada, I need have more than $500,000 in net assets.  Which thanks to the real estate and stock market bubbles, I no longer have.

Hint:  As far as manufacturing goes, Head South, young man; head South!

Yeah the US what a great place to live!
38  Main Forum / Polls / Re: Toads or tow vehicles? What brand do you use? on: February 27, 2012, 08:05:18 pm
The domestic payroll that supports domestic assembly, domestic construction, and domestic support services FAR exceeds any profit benefits.  By many multiples.

And even then, profit benefits are multinational now.

Bragging rights?  GM, Ford & Chrysler have always been able to purchase and dis-assemble and reverse-engineer Camry's.  So why no "domestic" models that eats Toyota's "lunch" yet?

(crickets)

39  Main Forum / Polls / Re: Toads or tow vehicles? What brand do you use? on: February 27, 2012, 07:35:28 pm
Score:

Toyota = 4
GM = 3
Ford = 2
Honda = 1

Looks like Toyota is doing the most in employing and benefiting the average American.these days.

I need a job not profits.  Although through my mutual funds, Im getting profits as well.  The only problem is that the longer Im unemployed, the more Im consuming that seed corn.
40  Main Forum / Polls / Re: Toads or tow vehicles? What brand do you use? on: February 27, 2012, 07:34:56 pm


From the Cars.com American-Made Index, the HHR scores a domestic parts rating index" of 50%.  Plus, its assembled in Mexico.


The top ten American cars?

1) Toyota Camry

2) Ford F-150

3) Chevy Malibu

4) Honda Odyssey

5) Chevy Silverado 1500

6) Toyota Sienna

7) Toyota Tundra

8) GMC Sierra 1500

9) Ford Taurus

10) Toyota Venza


Thats for specific models.  As for pickups, once you include and average ALL pickup models, the F-250 & F-350, the 2500 & 3500, the Tundra does even better.
41  Main Forum / Polls / Re: Toads or tow vehicles? What brand do you use? on: February 27, 2012, 06:54:25 pm
I've advanced the Chevy HHR here as being a great "toad".  Not the least of which because I've had some experience with it.

Yet, nonetheless, if one looks to Wikipedia for guidance, the HHR's point of assembly has been Ramos Arizpe, Mexico.  And having been employed in producing parts for GM and the Ramos Arizpe factory, I'm WAS good.  But NOW I could really use an assembly job, so I'm screwed.

If only GM had built a factory for it in the US, and if only GM employed US citizens in building, manning and servicing that factory!  Oh well.......
42  Main Forum / Polls / Re: Toads or tow vehicles? What brand do you use? on: February 27, 2012, 06:41:15 pm
One example the full-size Toyota Tundra pickup.  By Monroney Sticker domestic content values alone, it scores the highest as far as domestic content.  Further, they are assembled entirely in Texas.  So not only are these Toyota pickups the highest in domestic content, but they are also built in Texas as well.  Say what you will regarding domestic benefits as regards assembly whether here or in Canada.  Im more worried for the US than Canada.  Meanwhile, many American vehicles are often assembled in Mexico.  Take the Monroney Stickers domestic content values into account certainly but do ALSO take into account the point of assembly as well.

Its very complicated, but suffice to say, the most American vehicles are not necessarily Ford, GM OR Chrysler any longer.  Who cares where the profits go?  Care more where the jobs go.  Payrolls GROSSLY exceed profits.  Payroll is ANY organizations greatest expense by far.

PS if you havent noticed Chrysler/Jeep is now really owned by Fiat.  Prior to that, Renault owned it at one time.  DO look at domestic content.  BUT ALSO know where your vehicle was assembled as well.  If youve saved your window stickers, take a look you might be surprised.  As but one example, your Toyota could very well be more American than your Ford, Chevy or Mopar vehicle.
43  Main Forum / Polls / Re: Toads or tow vehicles? What brand do you use? on: February 27, 2012, 06:40:39 pm
On imports vs domestics; on profits vs jobs:

As for profits, EVERY single auto manufacturer is a multi-national corporation.  And so its benefiting shareholders that span the globe.  In these times particularly, one need pay MORE attention to jobs generated, not profits generated.  Auto generates slim profits, but does produce many well-paying jobs at the point of assembly.

We are all familiar with the Monroney Sticker the window sticker on every new vehicle we purchase.  This sticker shows, among other things, domestic content.  This is the US/Canadian value of the PARTS content of a given vehicle, but does little to illuminate the additional value inherent in where its assembled.  The sticker very accurately accounts for jobs, profit and input for RAW parts content, but does not accurately account for assembly input.  Assembly input is MAJOR assembly provides HUGE benefits as regards well-paying assembly jobs, as well as additional jobs in the building domestic factories and the domestic payroll that services said factories and assembly lines.  All such jobs as provide high payrolls, as well as copious income tax revenue.
44  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself! on: February 25, 2012, 01:29:19 am
Thats why I continue to be impressed with this Forum.  Such discussion of value and features here no doubt also informs PC as regards pricing sensitivity, floor plan desirability and option trends that will only enhance their business volume and relevance overall.

Meanwhile, Paul & Marilyn, PC informs us on the general website, that a new 2100 is currently being built, and that you should call for details on this very unit.
45  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself! on: February 25, 2012, 01:28:44 am
I dont agree with any criticism of free speech and discussion.  At all.

Ron only points out OBVIOUS differences between older and newer models.  Theyre entirely obvious for anyone shopping around on the web with a critical eye, and would be ABSOLUTELY obvious to Paul & Marilyn, whove stated they plan to drop in and visit in person.  And in so doing, will see so for themselves anyway.  So whats the harm?  I dont see it.

Meanwhile, Ron points out an available unit.  And if theyre considering the most cost-effective unit they possibly can, again whats the harm?  Between used and new, theres a $50k price differential here, which is HUGE.  Such differential as is offset by superior attributes from newer units of the same floorplan.  Unless its being suggested here that either Paul & Marilyn are too dull to see the differences between an older and newer model?  Or unless its being suggested here that Stewart will fail to point same out to Paul & Marilyn just to make a sale over securing a valued lifetime customer for PC?

And as for an opinion on pricing?  ANY savvy shopper of ANY product when haggling is permissible - will NEVER pay full asking price.  All I see Ron doing is trying to educate.  And if educating is dangerous.?
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