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46  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2012 Honda CR-V battery discharged after tow on: October 18, 2013, 01:44:36 pm
I'm still not certain what our next step should be.  Do we just attach a single wire to a connection inside of the CR-V's wiring socket that will extend the 12v line to the CR-V's positive battery post, or do we also need to connect a wire to the negative lead to extended it to the CR-V's negative battery post or to ground?

Bruce

If I type fast, I can beat Ron on this one.  Use a single wire from the socket to the positive battery post.  Ford uses 12 gauge wire for this circuit so you should continue with that gauge.  There is a fuse in line in the fuse box under the hood that protects the circuit.

Bob
47  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2012 Honda CR-V battery discharged after tow on: October 17, 2013, 08:10:19 pm

If we find any of the six connectors empty there (and they will match up to the 12v pins of the coily cable), do we just add wires there that will run directly to the towd's battery posts to complete the battery maintenance feature?
I believe you are correct.  I think it is that simple.  But keep in-mind of my story one reply higher.  You might need to unplug the coily cable from either end when parked for the night.  The alternative would be to add a diode in that 12V hot wire inside the tow vehicle so 12V will travel from your PC to the tow vehicle's battery, but not from the T.V. back to your PC.

Sorry Ron for challenging your response Smile, but Bruce may not need to add a diode or unplug the coily cable if his 2014 is wired the same as my 2010, and I would bet they are the same.  Ford runs the 12 volt charge line through a relay that is only energized in the run position of the ignition key.  So when the engine is off, the charge line is isolated at the relay which is in the fuse box under the hood.  You can verify this by checking with your multimeter that there is an open circuit on the charge line from the toad end of the coily cable to the frame of the PC with the ignition off and 12v when the ignition is on.  When the toad is connected and the ignition is off, the toad battery is not being discharged by anything on the PC, but there may still be something on the toad discharging the battery but at least the battery is kept charged while being towed.

Bob
48  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Drive line vibration diagnosis on: October 14, 2013, 07:38:22 pm
Mark,

Sound like you are on the right track in getting to the root of the problem.  Some time ago I ran across a Ford bulletin regarding driveline angles in modified Econoline cutaways used for RVs.  It describes the problems that can be associated with improper driveline angles and the solutions.  It is very technical but may be of some use as you go forward to try and resolve the issue.

https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas/non-html/Q40.PDF

Bob
49  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: "TOW Haul" feature as shown on dash and trans light keeps coming on. on: October 14, 2013, 03:25:52 pm
It is my understanding that the "service soon" light is based on both time and miles, if it was not reset the last time you had your oil changed it may have just "timed out" and needs to be reset.  Most manafacturers have a sequence to go thru with the ingnition or other reset keys that will reset the clock/miles in the ECM and away you go, you should be able to do this sequence yourself.  I would not worry much about that light being on (unlike the check engine light)  since i do not beleieve that in 2010 the  E-450 had onboard dignostics that actaully evaluated the condiiton of the oil in real time and send a meesage when the oil is actually reaching the end of its life the way 2013 cars currently operate.... I may be wrong

On my 2010 E450 (same as OPs), the "Service Engine Soon" symbol is not used to indicate that normal maintenance servicing is required such as an oil change.  According to the manual, the "Service Engine Soon" symbol on the 2010 E450 indicates the On Board Diagnostics System (OBD II) has detected a malfunction.  This would require that the OBD II system be checked for codes to determine what the malfunction is.  There are hundreds of codes, some are government mandated and some are vehicle manufacturer specific, and the malfunction can be a small issue or very serious.  So the "Service Engine Soon" symbol is in fact a check engine light and should be investigated soon.

My other vehicles have those systems that indicate oil change required after time, miles, or monitoring of engine load.  Maybe the later E350/450s have some sort of maintenance reminder indicator in addition to the OBDII malfunction indicator?

50  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Black Tank Insulation on: October 14, 2013, 12:35:46 am
How about a thin sheet of aluminum or galvanized metal that could be bent to shape and attached to the tank support straps?
51  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: "TOW Haul" feature as shown on dash and trans light keeps coming on. on: October 12, 2013, 11:55:46 pm
Tow Haul feature works fine. The only light is saying service engine soon.  Spoke with Ford dealer in Bristol, and he said it could be a number of things and can  not see us until Tuesday to a diagnoxtic test.   

Be sure to let us know the outcome.
52  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: "TOW Haul" feature as shown on dash and trans light keeps coming on. on: October 12, 2013, 11:07:47 am
Frecklestweety,

Is this what you are saying -- the check engine symbol light is staying on and the "Tow Haul" light comes on when in Tow Haul mode?  If so, then the "Tow Haul" light is working properly, but there is a malfunction detected by the on board diagnostics that may or may not be related to the transmission.
53  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: "TOW Haul" feature as shown on dash and trans light keeps coming on. on: October 11, 2013, 10:08:04 pm
I am curious about the transmission light problem, I went out and turned the key on and checked the manual and I don't see a warning light specifically for the transmission, can you describe it in a little more detail.

Bob  checked the manual again and the icon means service engine soon.  I just had it inspected and all the fluids checked and they were fine
before I left from home a week ago.  So don'tknow what else it could be....I am in Bluff Tn and will leave on Monday for Stone Mountain GA and stayed until the 16th when I will go into the Good Sam Rally at the Atanta Speedway.  

If the check engine light is staying on then the On Board Diagnostics System has detected a malfunction, the problem can be any number of things.  You need to get the code read on the OBD-II port under the steering wheel to see what the problem is.  A Ford dealer or an independent shop can do that, and most auto parts stores will do this or you can buy a code reader that will work with any newer vehicle.
54  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: "TOW Haul" feature as shown on dash and trans light keeps coming on. on: October 10, 2013, 07:28:10 pm
I have the same PC as yours, 2010 2551, and I tow a Jeep Wrangler.  I use the "Tow Haul" feature because it changes the shift points so the transmission doesn't keep changing gears so much on hilly terrain.  I think it is easier on the transmission because it doesn't have to shift so often in those situations.  I especially like it when descending mountain grades to keep from overheating the brakes, it does a great job holding the speed on descents.  When cruising on flat freeways I turn off the "Tow Haul".  Don't really need to since the transmission will still go into overdrive in "Tow Haul" mode, but I don't like how it feels when coming to a stop in "Tow Haul" - hard downshifting.

I am curious about the transmission light problem, I went out and turned the key on and checked the manual and I don't see a warning light specifically for the transmission, can you describe it in a little more detail.

Bob
55  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Electrical Schematics for PC's power systems. on: October 10, 2013, 03:53:22 pm
Keelhauler,

Thanks for putting together the schematic.  I think I have a good understanding of my 2010 2551 wiring but it seems different from your schematic in one area.  You show three 12V lines going to the generator through circuit breakers, what would that be for?  On mine, those circuit breakers feed three things directly without going through the converter fuses; the slide, the maserator pump, and I forget the third. 

Bob

I checked my 2010 2551 today and found the following.  The three circuit breakers shown going to the generator in your schematic go to the Sani-Con pump (20A), the slide motor (20A), and the third is the charging line from the engine battery/alternator (40A).

I hope this doesn't come across as being critical, I appreciate your schematic, just wanted to help it to be accurate if your PC is in fact wired like mine.

Bob
56  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Electrical Schematics for PC's power systems. on: October 09, 2013, 11:35:44 am
Keelhauler,

Thanks for putting together the schematic.  I think I have a good understanding of my 2010 2551 wiring but it seems different from your schematic in one area.  You show three 12V lines going to the generator through circuit breakers, what would that be for?  On mine, those circuit breakers feed three things directly without going through the converter fuses; the slide, the maserator pump, and I forget the third. 

Bob
57  Main Forum / Photos / Re: Oak Mountain State Park near Birmingham AL on: September 30, 2013, 12:54:21 am
Beautiful photo, that's one for the brochure.
58  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: ENGINE COWLING on: September 29, 2013, 12:33:04 pm
    One question,,,, you say wires and tubes,,,, are there some of these when you take the cowling off?
sparky

They are hanging down under the dash, on mine a few would get caught by the cowling if not careful.
59  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: A New Banging Sound After Year #6 - In The B+ Cap Area on: September 29, 2013, 12:44:23 am
Ron,

How did you know where the roof sheet metal was? Is it cut to be close to the front of the cabinet?

Bob
Good question Bob.  It was just a guess on my part.  That is why I picked a dimension of 3" and drilled a pilot hole, placed a 2" finish nail down it to make sure metal roof material was there.  Maybe I could have gotton by with 2" from the cabinet opening, but I wanted to be sure I hit metal every time, and wasn't drilling holes near a metal edge.  I wanted to get into the "beef" of the metal roof for better anchoring.

Sounds like a good approach, I will go with 3" if and when my PC starts banging.  ThumbsUp
60  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: A New Banging Sound After Year #6 - In The B+ Cap Area on: September 28, 2013, 06:31:02 pm
Ron,

How did you know where the roof sheet metal was? Is it cut to be close to the front of the cabinet?

Bob
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