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46  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: "TOW Haul" feature as shown on dash and trans light keeps coming on. on: October 14, 2013, 03:25:52 pm
It is my understanding that the "service soon" light is based on both time and miles, if it was not reset the last time you had your oil changed it may have just "timed out" and needs to be reset.  Most manafacturers have a sequence to go thru with the ingnition or other reset keys that will reset the clock/miles in the ECM and away you go, you should be able to do this sequence yourself.  I would not worry much about that light being on (unlike the check engine light)  since i do not beleieve that in 2010 the  E-450 had onboard dignostics that actaully evaluated the condiiton of the oil in real time and send a meesage when the oil is actually reaching the end of its life the way 2013 cars currently operate.... I may be wrong

On my 2010 E450 (same as OPs), the "Service Engine Soon" symbol is not used to indicate that normal maintenance servicing is required such as an oil change.  According to the manual, the "Service Engine Soon" symbol on the 2010 E450 indicates the On Board Diagnostics System (OBD II) has detected a malfunction.  This would require that the OBD II system be checked for codes to determine what the malfunction is.  There are hundreds of codes, some are government mandated and some are vehicle manufacturer specific, and the malfunction can be a small issue or very serious.  So the "Service Engine Soon" symbol is in fact a check engine light and should be investigated soon.

My other vehicles have those systems that indicate oil change required after time, miles, or monitoring of engine load.  Maybe the later E350/450s have some sort of maintenance reminder indicator in addition to the OBDII malfunction indicator?

47  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Black Tank Insulation on: October 14, 2013, 12:35:46 am
How about a thin sheet of aluminum or galvanized metal that could be bent to shape and attached to the tank support straps?
48  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: "TOW Haul" feature as shown on dash and trans light keeps coming on. on: October 12, 2013, 11:55:46 pm
Tow Haul feature works fine. The only light is saying service engine soon.  Spoke with Ford dealer in Bristol, and he said it could be a number of things and can  not see us until Tuesday to a diagnoxtic test.   

Be sure to let us know the outcome.
49  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: "TOW Haul" feature as shown on dash and trans light keeps coming on. on: October 12, 2013, 11:07:47 am
Frecklestweety,

Is this what you are saying -- the check engine symbol light is staying on and the "Tow Haul" light comes on when in Tow Haul mode?  If so, then the "Tow Haul" light is working properly, but there is a malfunction detected by the on board diagnostics that may or may not be related to the transmission.
50  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: "TOW Haul" feature as shown on dash and trans light keeps coming on. on: October 11, 2013, 10:08:04 pm
I am curious about the transmission light problem, I went out and turned the key on and checked the manual and I don't see a warning light specifically for the transmission, can you describe it in a little more detail.

Bob  checked the manual again and the icon means service engine soon.  I just had it inspected and all the fluids checked and they were fine
before I left from home a week ago.  So don'tknow what else it could be....I am in Bluff Tn and will leave on Monday for Stone Mountain GA and stayed until the 16th when I will go into the Good Sam Rally at the Atanta Speedway.  

If the check engine light is staying on then the On Board Diagnostics System has detected a malfunction, the problem can be any number of things.  You need to get the code read on the OBD-II port under the steering wheel to see what the problem is.  A Ford dealer or an independent shop can do that, and most auto parts stores will do this or you can buy a code reader that will work with any newer vehicle.
51  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: "TOW Haul" feature as shown on dash and trans light keeps coming on. on: October 10, 2013, 07:28:10 pm
I have the same PC as yours, 2010 2551, and I tow a Jeep Wrangler.  I use the "Tow Haul" feature because it changes the shift points so the transmission doesn't keep changing gears so much on hilly terrain.  I think it is easier on the transmission because it doesn't have to shift so often in those situations.  I especially like it when descending mountain grades to keep from overheating the brakes, it does a great job holding the speed on descents.  When cruising on flat freeways I turn off the "Tow Haul".  Don't really need to since the transmission will still go into overdrive in "Tow Haul" mode, but I don't like how it feels when coming to a stop in "Tow Haul" - hard downshifting.

I am curious about the transmission light problem, I went out and turned the key on and checked the manual and I don't see a warning light specifically for the transmission, can you describe it in a little more detail.

Bob
52  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Electrical Schematics for PC's power systems. on: October 10, 2013, 03:53:22 pm
Keelhauler,

Thanks for putting together the schematic.  I think I have a good understanding of my 2010 2551 wiring but it seems different from your schematic in one area.  You show three 12V lines going to the generator through circuit breakers, what would that be for?  On mine, those circuit breakers feed three things directly without going through the converter fuses; the slide, the maserator pump, and I forget the third. 

Bob

I checked my 2010 2551 today and found the following.  The three circuit breakers shown going to the generator in your schematic go to the Sani-Con pump (20A), the slide motor (20A), and the third is the charging line from the engine battery/alternator (40A).

I hope this doesn't come across as being critical, I appreciate your schematic, just wanted to help it to be accurate if your PC is in fact wired like mine.

Bob
53  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Electrical Schematics for PC's power systems. on: October 09, 2013, 11:35:44 am
Keelhauler,

Thanks for putting together the schematic.  I think I have a good understanding of my 2010 2551 wiring but it seems different from your schematic in one area.  You show three 12V lines going to the generator through circuit breakers, what would that be for?  On mine, those circuit breakers feed three things directly without going through the converter fuses; the slide, the maserator pump, and I forget the third. 

Bob
54  Main Forum / Photos / Re: Oak Mountain State Park near Birmingham AL on: September 30, 2013, 12:54:21 am
Beautiful photo, that's one for the brochure.
55  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: ENGINE COWLING on: September 29, 2013, 12:33:04 pm
    One question,,,, you say wires and tubes,,,, are there some of these when you take the cowling off?
sparky

They are hanging down under the dash, on mine a few would get caught by the cowling if not careful.
56  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: A New Banging Sound After Year #6 - In The B+ Cap Area on: September 29, 2013, 12:44:23 am
Ron,

How did you know where the roof sheet metal was? Is it cut to be close to the front of the cabinet?

Bob
Good question Bob.  It was just a guess on my part.  That is why I picked a dimension of 3" and drilled a pilot hole, placed a 2" finish nail down it to make sure metal roof material was there.  Maybe I could have gotton by with 2" from the cabinet opening, but I wanted to be sure I hit metal every time, and wasn't drilling holes near a metal edge.  I wanted to get into the "beef" of the metal roof for better anchoring.

Sounds like a good approach, I will go with 3" if and when my PC starts banging.  ThumbsUp
57  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: A New Banging Sound After Year #6 - In The B+ Cap Area on: September 28, 2013, 06:31:02 pm
Ron,

How did you know where the roof sheet metal was? Is it cut to be close to the front of the cabinet?

Bob
58  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: ENGINE COWLING on: September 28, 2013, 01:04:50 pm
Hi Sparky,

I have removed mine a few times.  Put the seats as far back as possible.  Remove the cup holder/storage module, there is a release tab on the bottom of the module and then you lift the module straight up.  I don't recall if you push up or pull down on the release tab, try to get a look at it first.  Release the four locking tabs and slide the cowling to the rear, when it clears the dash pick it up and rotate it so it goes between the seats to the rear.

Be careful to keep all wires and tube clear when installing.

Bob
59  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: What is in the box between the propane tank and the frame? on: September 23, 2013, 07:32:24 pm
Bob, if I never primed prior, my generator would require excessive cranking to start.  So I don't know what more to say.

There is no hard fast rule for everyone because Onans seem to behave differently from one unit to another.  I suppose it comes down to finding what works best for your PC.

Ron, I think you are right in that each generator may behave differently.  My 2010 Onan was difficult to start after priming and after I read the manual regarding priming and starting (see below) I no longer prime and it now starts perfectly.  I was told to prime before starting and that is why I was doing it, but now I don't.  If someone is not satisfied with the way their Onan starts they might try it without priming if their manual reads as mine does.


PRIMING THE FUEL SYSTEM
If the genset ran out of fuel (gasoline models only)
prime the fuel system by holding the control switch
at STOP/PRIME for 30 seconds. (The status indica-
tor light will stay on while the pump is on.)


STARTING THE GENSET
Start the genset from the genset control panel or re-
mote control panel inside the vehicle (Page 1-4).
1. Push and hold the switch at START until the
genset starts. The status indicator light on the
switch flashes while cranking. It will stay on
continuously when the genset is running.
60  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: What is in the box between the propane tank and the frame? on: September 23, 2013, 01:05:16 pm
I have the Onan 4000 generator and I was also priming before starting and had the same experience where it took three tries before starting and then would run rich for a short time.  I recently read in the Generator manual that the priming is to be done if the generator ran out of fuel, not every time.  I now do not use the prime and the generator starts on the first attempt.

Bob
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