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1006  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: How does your PC ride? on: November 02, 2011, 08:24:50 am
Seems a mystery to me that a company like PC wouldn't go ahead and put Bilstein's or Koni shocks on their units right out of the factory.   Seems like something many folks do anyway.
I always thought that PC-USA should offer a "Handling Package" option on the E-Series to include the following.
- heavy duty front and rear stabilizer bars
- Bilstein or Koni-RV shocks
- rear trac bar
- heavy duty front steering stabilizer
- front wheel alignment

Our 2007 2350 on a 2007 E350 chassis drove like a drunken sailor until after these upgrades.  Now it resembles the handling of an SUV.  With 1000 pounds of chassis weight margin when loaded on trips, the quality of the ride is quite comfortable.

I believe that Phoenix does what it does because everyone thinks what they need and/or want is different, so they don't do anything and let the customer do it themselves. This is the reason they do not install towel bars and toilet paper holder but wait for the customer to bring their own and tell them where they want them installed.

Ron put everything on his in one big step and is happy with what he did. I don't agree with his way of doing it. I upgraded my 2350 from the E350 to the E450 when it was built.  I then put Bilstein shocks on, had an alignment done and drove it for awhile. I put the Roadmaster rear anti-sway bar on and could hardly tell any difference. If I was to keep this unit, I would not add anything more. I my new PC 2552, I plan on driving it the 600 plus miles home from the factory to check out the ride and handling. Then I will probly order Bilstein shocks and an alignment. Then I will see what happens before adding anything else.

One of the fun things about owning a PC is making mods  during the build and afterwards on our own. Then coming on here and talking about them.

Back in 1989 I owned a Pace Arrow class A that had the Mor-ride on it. The ride was pretty good. Yesterday I called the Mor-ride folks and talked to them. Since they are located in Elkhart and I am picking up my new PC in Elkhart I was thinking I could have them install it right after I got it. The price of $795 plus tax plus 6-7 hours labor at $79 an hour seems a little high not knowing how this new unit is going to ride. I will put this off for now.
1007  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used. on: November 02, 2011, 08:08:49 am
Ideally, the dinette bed would be big enough for me (6'2", 230 lbs), but unless I can get the floor plans and measurements I guess I'll just have to try and find one locally and check it out.

At least I know it's plenty big enough for DW, if we decide that climbing over each other in the corner bed isn't working.

BTW, what type of mattress does Phoenix use for the corner bed -- inner spring or foam?  How would you rate its comfort?

SA, you have not filled out your profile yet so we don't know what is local for you. Therefore can not help you with that.

Phoenix uses an inner spring mattress on the beds. The new 2012 models have a form sofa/bed.

When I said that the dinettes were a pita, I was referring to having to sleep on cushion designed for sitting on and all the cracks between the cushions. If I had to sleep on a dinette I would have to get a form pad to lay over the cushions.
1008  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: How does your PC ride? on: October 31, 2011, 09:21:09 am
Hi George,

    Have you had the PC weighted yet? If you do and you check the Michelin tire charts, you will probably find that the tires air pressure on the Ford door is way to high. By the charts I needed to drop my 2350 on the E450 down to 65 PSI. I dropped both the front and rear to 70 PSI. The ride is much better to me.

As far as the main post, the ride is a matter of personal taste. Each of us has made different changes and some we like and some we don't. The only thing that rides and handles really good cost several hundred thousand dollars and says "Prevost" on the grill.
1009  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used. on: October 31, 2011, 07:30:15 am
Over the years Phoenix has change the sofa/bed. Several years ago they used a jack knife sofa, then they went to the Air bed/sofa in 2010 and for 2012 they have a electric memory foam sofa. I have not tried to sleep on the new sofa yet. Each changes seems to have been for the better but none are as good as a real mattress. The air bed was pretty bad until we change the mattress to a better Areo bed mattress.

The dinette in the slide out is just too small for anyone except a small child. In the non-slide model the dinette is larger but still pretty small. The mattress part is the cushions that form the seats and the back. Ron has the non-slide dinette and seems to like it. I bet he will jump in here soon.

I used to sell RVs for about four years after I retired and before the market died. I never found a sofa that I felt was that comfortable and the dinettes where a PITA, IMO.
1010  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used. on: October 30, 2011, 07:53:33 am
I am trading in a 2010 PC 2350 in the very near future. My PC has the sofa/air bed not the dinnette. Ron sent me a private message that I responed to. As I told him, I am locked into this deal as it is a very good deal. ThumbsUp

I wish you luck in finding a PC you like.
1011  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: List Your PC Projects Planned Over This Winter 2011 to 2012 on: October 29, 2011, 10:45:38 am
Roni, I would recommend that you paint the plywood board or polyurethane it. This should stop the splitters. Then add edge guards on the edge. Go to "tips & tricks" section on this forum and look at Sue's "High traffic storage guards". The guards come is several sizes in our local home depot and ace hardware stores.
1012  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: List Your PC Projects Planned Over This Winter 2011 to 2012 on: October 29, 2011, 09:07:28 am
Mine is to trade in the 2350 and pickup the new 2552. I will put up soap dishes, shower hooks, shower tray and a paper towel holder in the kitchen. The guys at the factory are making most of my wants for me. Doug who will be installing the towel bars and the Maxxair II vent covers for me. Bobby has added his touch with shelves over the headboard in the bedroom and a new compartment between the generator and the LPG tank.  I plan to keep my 3" sewer hose and connectors in it. Arn't the guys at the factory great!  ThumbsUp

Then I plan on having Bilstein HD shocks installed all around. After testing them, I will have to see just what other suspension changes I might want to make.

A new toy to play with.

P.S. The new PC is in the paint shop now, so in about two to three weeks we should get it, hopefully. Grin
1013  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Forum Tech Issues on: October 27, 2011, 05:09:44 pm
Aimee, don't know if this is something you fix or not, but on the website under the "popular options" section there are some repeats.

What am I missing? I don't see any section "popular options"?
1014  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Swivel TV Mount on: October 25, 2011, 05:22:34 pm
Nice job Barry. Do the glass cabinet doors still clear the TV? I was looking at my TV so I could tilt it downward but the doors kept hitting the TV. I did not think about recessing the mount.

Now you need to duck tape the wires in the rear cabinet by your DW new laundry basket. Always another project.
1015  Main Forum / Polls / Re: Favorite model ( if money was not an object) on: October 25, 2011, 12:13:18 pm
Boy Ron when you dream, you dream big.
1016  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Sani Con valve problem. Need suggestions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on: October 23, 2011, 02:43:06 pm
Call Kermit at the factory before you take it to a service center. It might be something simple that he can tell you how to fix. If you are covered under warranty, he will want to approve the fix before you have it done.
1017  Main Forum / Adventure Anywhere / Re: Planning trip to utah, Colorado, and the Grand Canyon on: October 23, 2011, 12:31:14 pm
We have made a couple of trips to Colorado and one trip to Utah and Arizona in the past. I would suggest that you pick one or the other, not both for a three week trip.  If I wanted to see some of the parks in Utah, I would drive through Colorado on I70. You will get to see the Eisenhower tunnel and Glenwood Canyon from the highway.  That is about all you will have time to see.
   We found that when we got to Arches National Park the road into the park was too steep for me in my 28 class A motorhome. At the time I was not used to mountain driving. What I would do today is either tow my Jeep or rent one in Moab, Utah. The KOA we stayed at rented them but I am sure others do also.  There are so many parks that it is hard to pick just a few but the ones that seem to be the most popular are, Arches, Bryce, Zion and Canyonlands.  We did not see many of the parks in Utah on our trip as we wanted to go to Arizona and the Grand Canyon. On the way south, we stopped at the Four Corners for about half an hour. Kind of neat to stand in four states at one time. We did have to take the picture of me standing in two states leaning over and kissing my wife while she stood in two other states, corny, huh.  Mostly there where Indians selling stuff like T-shirts, art work, rugs and beads etc.  There is a small canyon there also. We saw several arches just off the road from Moab to Four Corners.
   We went on down to the Grand Canyon, went in at the east entrance, stopped at several parking lots to look into the canyon. I had a lot of problems finding a place to park the motorhome and the few I did find were on hills. I was not comfortable leaving the motorhome on such a steep incline, so my wife went to the canyon and took some pictures for me to see later.  We went to the canyon village and had to park across the street, fight the traffic to walk across to the canyon and visitors center. Some people really like the canyon and others think it is just a big hole in the ground. I am of the later group. Maybe if spent a whole day or two watching the rocks change color as the sun moves across the sky it would be better. After leaving the canyon we went south toward Williams and spent the night at a campground called Black Barts. Black Barts is a restaurant where the wait help (collage kids) also sings and performs. We enjoyed the evening there. The next day we drove forever to get to Tombstone and the OK Coral. The long drive made us appreciate what it took for the early folks riding horses and wagons to get to Tombstone.  It was a very hot and dry day in May that we spend there.  We missed to gun fight and the Coral is really small. I had to wonder how anyone could miss a shooting a man when they are that close. I dont think the drive was worth the town. 
   I am a tree person that likes the green in the landscape. The southwest is not my cup of tea. That being said, someday we may go back to see some more of it. The picture Ron posted looks kind of interesting, so maybe there is more to it than we saw that I might like. That is the really great thing about this country, there is something for everyone to see and do.
1018  Main Forum / Polls / Re: Favorite model ( if money was not an object) on: October 23, 2011, 07:41:57 am
We have a 2552 on order to replace our 2350. Love the size of the 2350 but am willing to go the extra length for the better sleeping arrangements and lower toilet. Overall I don't think you can go wrong with any one of the PCs. Whatever works for you is the right one.
1019  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Forum Tech Issues on: October 21, 2011, 05:34:50 pm
Aimee you fixed it, thanks. That was number two.
1020  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Hot Water tank bypass on: October 21, 2011, 11:52:42 am
One down, one up is what I had to do.

New PC about mid November.
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