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46  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2551/2%52 owners on: August 05, 2017, 07:13:01 pm
Bobby mounted our towel bars to the door. One up high the other in the middle. I mounted the toilet paper holder bar on the right most side of the door. When I close the door it slides right in front of me.

Who ever owns our PC after us will get the bars already mounted, just like most RVs come from the factory.
47  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2551 or 2552...Thoughts? on: July 30, 2017, 06:12:28 am
Did you ask him about changing to automatic leveler over the standard PC has installed? Have you asked the same question of Earl?
48  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Norcold Class Action Settlement on: July 24, 2017, 02:46:01 pm
I got a check for $45.78 today 7/24/2017.
49  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Twin bed headboard on: July 24, 2017, 02:18:03 pm
Can you just get some strong glue, like construction adhesive or gorilla glue and glue them to the wall? I don't know what the back is like.
50  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Norcold Class Action Settlement on: July 22, 2017, 07:35:59 pm
Thanks Barry.
51  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Norcold Class Action Settlement on: July 22, 2017, 05:36:12 pm
So how much is the first check? I too am waiting on this.
52  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2017 version slide out - a River Runs Thru It? on: July 21, 2017, 08:03:04 pm
I also use the quick connect, but mine is the cheap plastic type. I put it on and take it off every time I hook up or unhook the hose.  No worry about killing treads every time I put it on the PC or it locking on. I got it as it gives me more for these old hands to grip.
53  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Customizations on new 2552 on: July 16, 2017, 10:40:44 am
I use the Nitecore Srt7 both at home and camping. It is bright enough to stop anyone or animal long before they get close enough to wack. All my old Mag lights went to Amvets.
54  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2 AC units in a 2552 on: July 15, 2017, 03:48:43 pm
Ron I understand that the rear of the coach is to the right. The ladder is to the drawing top (right) of the bathroom vent, and the shower dome is to the left of the vent. The ladder has hand rails that prude about 6 inches on the top of the roof. Centered in between them is the black tank vent. One can not step there or to the left or right, off the edge. One might be able to step left over the vent, in between the vent and the dome, but if you slip, you are going to crush one of them and you will never have any more kids. When I climb the ladder I have to step forward about a foot over the black tank vent.  Maybe Phoenix has moved the black tank vent since my 2552 was built. Best to check with Earl where the black and gray vents are now a days. I don't see them in any of the above drawings.

Also if he is going to put vent covers over any of the vents, he needs to account for the added size.
55  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2 AC units in a 2552 on: July 13, 2017, 03:32:27 pm
Are you getting the ladder? If so it is mounted to the right of the bathroom vent and the top part of the ladder takes the first 6 inches of the roof. In your bottom layout, you would be stepping on the solar panel. Also you want to condsider where inside the a/c units will be.  Phoenix gets the roof and walls already made up with the braces in set positions. Make sure you and Earl are on the same page before ordering. You don't want any surprises on delivery day.
56  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself! on: July 09, 2017, 07:46:59 am
Hi Wayne and welcome. Did you see the 2351 that was posted yesterday under the "for sale by owner" on this forum? I don't think it will stay for sale very long. 
57  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Did you upsize from a class B? on: June 19, 2017, 06:21:08 am
Here is Paul's first message:
You have just been sent a personal message by Doneworking on Cruisers Forum.

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The message they sent you was:

Tom, greetings!  I responded to your post on the forum about the B to C switch.  I don't know if this topic you started was just out of curiosity or perhaps you are thinking about making such a move yourself.   If you are, I would be happy to provide more information privately to you by email or phone. 

I said in my post we have owned three Bs but I failed to add we "sort of" owned four of them.  In 1982 we bought a new Chevy 2500 van and converted it into a camper.  Being young and stupid I started this project in Oklahoma in August with temps hitting the high 90s and low 100s every day.  We had windows and seats installed by a van conversion company in town and did the rest ourselves.   I used birch 1/4 inch plywood for the ceiling and parts of the side panels, insulated the ceiling and floor and carpeted the side panels.  I built a small sink cabinet with a five gallon container for water and one for gray, had a cassette porta potty, a gaucho couch in the back and a third swivel seat.  We were in business and we had a ball with this rig for years, then we spotted the Intervec Horizon and got our true B. 

Incidentally, we stripped the Chevy of the camping gear and used it as a hauler for several years.  Finally, we gave it to the Salvation Army in 2004.   That baby was bright red and probably the most fun vehicle we ever owned.   I was 39 and my wife 35 when we built it and we have an old photo album titled "Our Chevy Van" (remember the song of the same title from the 60s?) and it displays our conversion with about forty pictures.

Let me know if I can answer any specific questions about Bs.   I was active on the B forum for years (joined in 2002 as I recall) and still stay close to B folks/models/brands etc. 

Paul Woolsey
Oklahoma City

Here is his reply to my message:
Tom, thank you for your definitive reply to my earlier message.   

I suspect you have personally met the PC fellows and I have not done that but they obviously are getting older and, like Chinook and Roadtrek and Born Free, I bet they will soon sell out, merge or some similar restructure.   Small manufacturers have high mortality rates it seems in the modern economy.   And, like you, I don't see anything new and attractive coming from the company.   Still, I certainly appreciate the cut above quality of PC compared to most C manufacturers.  Perhaps, however, they can go a long time in a very small niche market space like the one they occupy.  Who knows. 

I recently came across this

I had wondered if the techno super duper stuff might be a bit on the edge engineering wise.  The guy that wrote the blog may or may not be reporting accurately.   What I do know is I am pretty well restricted to the 190 or 210 Roadtreks because of the nine foot door on my garage. We have a three car garage with the two car portion having a conventional sized door and the third door being nine feet tall.  We built this house that way in 1998 to accommodate our 1996 190P.   The door cannot be modified because of the structural design and roof of our home.  That third portion of the garage is walled off from the other portion and has an HVAC vent out there which is sufficient to keep it about ten degrees above or below the ambient outside temperature.   It is simply perfect for a B but when I built it all Bs would fit, now only some RTs which eliminates a lot of desirable models.

I must say, the RTs are just out of sight price wise.   I think when we get ready to trade back to a B we will try to pick up a 2-4 year old model and save some bucks.   Also, I have carefully examined the new Roadtreks and am convinced (perhaps my own memories and prejudice) the older models are better built than the new ones.  Just a lot of little things that most people would never notice if they had not owned two older models.

I will say this:  having owned a 210 and a 190 both, that added seven inches in width and small extra length makes a big difference in parking ability in some places.  I love the Chevy 6.0L engine.   They are really a fine motor that is proven and, like our PC Fords, can be worked on in any town you might have problems. 

Good luck and thanks for sharing.  As I recall, you are towing a Jeep Trailhawk and we have that in common.   

Happy travels,


58  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Did you upsize from a class B? on: June 18, 2017, 06:47:56 am
I have been talking with Paul via messages and though that I would post my reply to him here for all to see.

"Hi Paul,

Thank you for your interest in my topic and this message. My wife and I have owned many campers over the last 45 years of camping. These included a pickup camper, a slide in bed unit, 2 class C, 3 class A, and 2 PCs. They ranged from 8 to 35 feet in length. We have gone from small up to large back to small then large again and now to small in the PCs. We have had fun in every one of our campers. Our favorite one was a 21 foot Chinook, now called a class B+. We loved the ability to go anywhere and park anywhere. The 28 ft PC 2552 is just a little to long for a lot of parking places as you know. The Chinook had a wet bath, which we only used three times in seven years. Me sleeping on the sofa, my wife and a labador retriever on the dinette and a large German shepherd on the floor got hard as we got older. We remember the good and the not so good of a small motor home.

The other day we saw the current Roadtrek on the internet's you tube. We paid a visit to a local dealer and we're very impressed with all the new features like LED lights, solar, lithium batteries, engine generator and even self start the engine to charge the batteries.  The ability to dry camp in remote places and even leave our dog in the camper in a parking lot with the A/C running off batteries was fascinating.

When the salesman said it would cost us $90K plus our PC  or more we came back to loving the PC. This did make me wonder about what folks that had both a class B and a PC though about their switch now.

I feel that the Phoenix needs to update what they offer or they are going to get left behind and have a hard time staying in business. They have been offering the same thing with minor updates for many years now.

Have a great day.

If Paul wants to post his original message and/or his reply to this message, which I hope he does as it is very interesting, please do.
59  Main Forum / General Discussion / Did you upsize from a class B? on: June 16, 2017, 05:42:17 pm
A lot of us on here downsized into a PC. Some of us have had smaller campers in the past, like pop-ups, tents, pickup campers and even a micro-mini. PC advertises about down sizing. What about you guys that moved from a class B. What made you move up in size and how do you feel about the differences now.
60  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: ford recall on: June 03, 2017, 03:47:22 pm
I went to the site, entered my vin and it said no outstanding recalls for my 2011  E450.
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