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151  Main Forum / General Discussion / Eval. of first 2552 on: April 04, 2011, 02:56:03 am
We first purchase a 2010 2350 with a dinette and no slide and at Stuarts recommendation, they replaced the barrel chair with another auto seat so we had a seat to secure a baby seat for our granddaughter.  We decided after several months the corner bed was not for us.  So, after talking to Stuart about a 2551 we found it was not long enough for our required third auto seat behind the passenger seat for our granddaughter.  Stuart and Kermit came up with lengthening the body by one foot to make room for the extra seat, thereby evolving a 2551 into a 2552.  The logistics of this design change is quite involved.  All of your wire harnesses and water lines are all changed by that extra length and not inconsequential, the roof, walls, floor and Ford frame have to be made longer.  So, I am very impressed that a manufacturer would go to this extent for a customer and my hat is off to PC for their customer service.
     We have now been on a trip of 4000 miles.  These are my observations of the 2552's (slide and couch) performance.  The unit is much smoother riding which is representative of a longer wheel base and because it is smoother it is also quieter inside.  Some of the noise inside while traveling in the 2350 we found was created by the table leg on the dinette.  To curtail that noise we put the table in the bed position and put the cushions on it.
  I find the engine/transmission does not shift, or hunt for the proper gear, as often as the 2350 did.  I attribute this to the rear axle gear of 4.56 in the 2552 vs. 4.10 in the 2350 even though the 2552 is heavier. The third auto seat is also handy for the passenger if you want to sit out of the sun and you can use the passenger seat for a foot rest.  
     There is a negative as a result of the longer wheel base.  Your turning radius increases, so you need to plan where you are going to park or get gas.  You must allow for the extra length when turning and not do what I saw a Class A driver do.  He turned too early and planted a 4" steel post in the middle of the side of his unit.  
     We found gas mileage to be very similar to the 2350, maybe one mile per gallon difference.  Driving around 65 on the Interstates and some town travel gave us the average of 8.5 MPG.  We did get 10.5 while drafting through Los Angeles traffic.  I say drafting because you are always drafting in L.A.  Leave a space and someone will fill it.  We had a low of 7.5 going up the Columbia River in a strong head wind.  
     We did bite the bullet and replace the Eclipse/Tom-Tom system with a Kenwood radio with XM and Garmin GPS. Costly, but well worth it.  With the recommendation of the Kenwood installer, we will sell the Eclipse system on E-Bay.
     I replaced the fixed heater vent in the bathroom with an adjustable one.  I find I need to use a clothespin to keep it where I want it.  When it heats up it blows closed, but it does force more heat to the front.  I also replaced the shower levers with knobs.  I kept hitting the levers and going to either extreme heat or cold.  Knobs work great and purchased them at Lowes.
     So far, the only problem we have is with a water leak in the rear outside compartment and we are working Kermit to locate the problem.  Only two items I will add at this time will be a front steering stabilizer and a rear trac-bar.  With the fresh water tank mounted over the rear axle you do not get the pendulum affect  as you do with the water being all the way in the rear as on the 2350, but with the transfer to the holding tanks you still need some help, thereby the trac-bar.  Do not see the need for heavier anti-sway bars at this time.
     I use my ladder to check the roof and found it is really handy to keep the back-up camera clean, one rainstorm and it needs cleaning.
Love the slide-out, so much more room.  Would not be without it.  Makes a nice area for the Granddaughter to play in when we take a break and room for adults to stretch out and relax.
    Bob  
152  Main Forum / General Discussion / Table/Ottoman on: February 12, 2011, 07:10:29 pm
The attached pictures show our table in the 2552 with the 2" foam and cover to also be used as an ottoman.  Pictures are with the slide in, slide out and the slide out with the table in the position it would be in if the slide was in for dining.  The legs are standard purchase, 18 1/2 inch at RV stores. It is not a perfect position but I find it rather comfortable to have my feet up.  Can also be used for the third car seat.
    Bob
153  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2552 Mods/Improvements #3 on: February 08, 2011, 09:57:44 pm
Margie,
    Thanks for the feedback.  I am glad you are able to use some of these ideas.  After forty years of camping and experimenting with trailers, motorhomes and motorcycle camping, I am always looking for ways to be more efficient with useable space.  We had a Roadtrek Sprinter motorhome a few years back.  We had problems with the engine turbo-charger plastic resonator.  We were stuck in the mountains with essentially no power.  Moving about five miles an hour.  It appears they have fixed that problem.  Other than that the Mercedes diesel ran fine.  Lots of power in a little engine and better fuel mileage.  Enjoy your unit.
      Bob
154  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2552 Mods/Improvements #3 on: February 08, 2011, 02:12:47 am
Margie,
   The wall is thick enough to put a screw in it.  After putting a screw in the wall, I then put a piece of self stick velcro on the clock and the opposite piece on the wall so it remains stationary and does not try to swing.  If you have a 2551 or 2552 and most any of the units with the door and drawer storage on the outside, I have found the area inside the coach adjacent to this area gets very cold in the winter.  My inside area is a large closet and here in N. Idaho I opened the closet and found very cold area.  Pictures attached show I lined the outside storage area with one inch construction foam which has a plastic cover on both sides.  And rather than put an insulation on the ceiling of the outside storage area, I put 2 inch thick construction foam on the floor of the closet.  After cutting to size I covered the top and sides with aluminum tape to protect the foam.  I then placed a sheet of the drawer liner non-skid over the aluminum.  Dramatic improvement in the reduction of cold migrating to the inside of the coach.  Probably the same for keeping heat out.  If you have a 2551 or 2 and want to know where your wiring or plumbing is, let me know.  PC was kind enough to allow me to photograph a unit in construction when we were at the factory. Picture 1040 is the outside compartment and it does prevent raising the floor up for tall items, but I never intend to raise it up.  The picture 1089 and 1090 is inside the rear closet.
    Bob
155  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2910 Owners Opinions on: February 05, 2011, 01:19:53 pm
Tom,
   When we ordered our 2552, we sat down with Stuart and came up with several things we would like to have PC install.  At our request they did not install a coffee pot.  They added an extra shelf in the cabinet in the bathroom.  We picked out a water pump that does not do the cycling off and on, there are many available which do away with the need of a pressure tank.  Have a filter installed on the inlet side of the pump and have flexible tubing installed so the pump is not mounted directly to the hard water line.  When mounted directly to the hard line any pulsation or pump noise is transmitted to the system.  This is a recommendation from the manufacture.   We had a drawer added inside one of the shirt closets for wifes jewelry and laptop computer. We definitely had the roof rack and ladder installed.  We leave the ladder secured with double-sided velcro tape in the up position, thereby having access to the rear storage without having to move the ladder.  But, more importantly having access to the roof if and when you need to.  Much easier than trying to carry or find a ten foot ladder to get up there.  One major option we requested is the three way refrigerator.  We use the dc when we are on the road and contrary to some who say there is not enough power, there is plenty, in fact when we stop for lunch, we normally do not change over to propane and have yet to have the batteries depleted.  Batteries do need to be exercised and not continually overcharged.  It is an RV industry standard to not use propane while on the road with an open flame.  Accidents do happen. Would also recommend having two six volt batteries in series, rather than the two twelve volts in parallel.  Six volt golf cart type batteries provide much more power.  I found PC to be really open to work with purchasers, seeing as they came up with the 2552 by lengthening a 2551 twelve inches so we could have room for the third car seat behind the passenger.  One other thought, if you have your dogs with you, do you consider a dog accident leaking down between the wood flooring.  It does happen and personal experience can attest to this.
     Just my personal thoughts on your questions.
      Bob
156  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Ford Engine RPM Redline on: February 03, 2011, 12:59:29 pm
George,
    The electronic speed limiter should be to not allow the vehicle to exceed a certain MPH.  They are offering these options to parents to limit the speed their children can drive.  The RPM limiter is built in to either the fuel or ignition system so when the vehicles engine reaches a pre-programmed value, it either takes fuel away or cuts the ignition to keep the engine RPM from over speeding.  In the days before all of our electronics you could over speed your engine and stress or destroy it.
     The statement below is off a site where they talk about Ford problems with technicians.  They talk about both items you referred to.  The governor is the speed limiter, and the rev limiter is the RPM one.
     Hope this helps,  Bob                                                                                             

It is a rev limiter built in to the computer. You can't remove it without a chip.
Don't ask me why, but it's there. I hate it and I also hate the governor that kicks in at 90.
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157  Main Forum / General Discussion / Ford Engine RPM Redline on: February 02, 2011, 05:02:01 pm
In talking to Ford mechanics, they  just say there is an electronic RPM limiter and it will cut out power before you exceed the limits.  Could not get a definitive answer on the actual redline.  But, was able to get the RPM where the max horsepower is developed and that is 4250.  Also, able to get the max torque RPM which is 3250.  In our case the torque is the important spec as that is the pulling power we use, especially when pulling a hill. 
    Bob
158  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Remote Entry Locks Using Key Fobs - Buy Them & Program Them Yourself on: February 02, 2011, 04:54:47 pm
Ron,
    I will be curious to see how this works.  The key statement in your write-up is "How to REPROGRAM your remote entry transmitters" and is re-stated again in the instructions.  Let us know how it goes.
   Bob
159  Main Forum / General Discussion / Tom Tom/Eclipse GPS/Back-up Cam./Radio on: February 01, 2011, 05:11:50 pm
Just had an interesting conversation with Eclipse Tech Support.  I was looking to hooking my portable XM radio to an auxiliary port seeing as I already pay for its use.  Tech support says they do not make the Eclipse as of Jan/2010 and if I needed to buy the cable for the system, my only avenue is through E-Bay.  They do not make any of the support items for these units as of the above date. Checked on E-Bay and without a specific part number there are many 13 pin plugs with a variety of terminations, none of which I was looking for.  They did say that as it was a Dealer installed item it will still be covered under the warranty.  But, good luck to find supporting Dealer.  Last one I checked says they no longer handle these units.  I guess it is buyer beware.
    Bob
160  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Remote lock update on: January 31, 2011, 05:42:14 pm
I find that interesting about the module missing.  Both our 2010 E350, 2350 and 2011 E450 2552 have remotes as I stated before.  Neither unit was ordered special and when we arrived at the factory to pick up the 2350 I asked where the remotes were and they said they do not come with remotes, but if you want to pay for them we will have the Ford rep come over while you are here and program a pair. Which they did while we waited.  We had gone back to PC months later to decide what we wanted to do on the 2552 and at that time they already had the Cut-away chassis for our new unit to be, on the lot and at that time we said we wanted the remotes programmed before we came to pick it up.  So, neither unit was special ordered to be set up for the remotes. 
    Seems strange Ford would pick one chassis to leave out the module and not others.  Maybe PC could shed some light on why that occurred.
    A few years back we had an aftermarket alarm system installed on a Ford pickup truck.  As long as the solenoid operating door locks were there, it was easy to install the remote locking/alarm system.
    Bob
161  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: New Owner (maybe) on: January 26, 2011, 05:01:43 pm
Billy,
   On our 2350 we had the back-up camera on the overhead and after hitting our head on it, and having look up to see it we decided to go with the in-dash Tom Tom on our new 2552.  After trying to operate it we find it confusing and instructions very vague as was noted with other PC owners.  If we had it to do over we would probably go with the Ford radio and then have an aftermarket radio/GPS/back-up camera system installed after delivery.  That may be why PC stopped using the in-dash system, at least that is what I was told.  There are several very good systems available for comparable price.  For now I will just take my Garmin along for the GPS and use the Tom Tom for back-up camera and radio.  I tried to send this once and it disappeared, hopefully this will go.
   Bob
162  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Remote locks on: January 22, 2011, 12:44:50 am
ragoodsp,
    We had a 2010 E350 2350 and after suggesting that we would like to have remotes after we arrived to pick up the unit, PC called a local Ford Rep and he came over to PC and programmed two remotes for us.  They provide us with remote lock/unlock for the two front doors and the panic alarm.  The cost was $250.  When we traded in our 2350 for our new E450 , 2011 2552 we again asked PC to have two remotes for the unit.  When we arrived they were already programmed and ready to go. They work for door lock/unlock but do not have an alarm system for break-in protection.  That would require going to a private alarm installer.  The Ford Rep said the system is already there and just needs the remotes and programming which he did with some sort of a computer box.
     I just found my receipt for the remotes and it says, "Reprogram smart junction box for keyless remotes.  Program remotes and show customer how to operate system".
    Bob
163  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2552 Mods/Improvements /Captions on: January 21, 2011, 02:06:18 pm
Ron,
  They do not come with double-sided tape, but I suppose you could use tape.  Mounting it with screws is not a problem as if you remove it you just seal the holes with white silicon sealer.  Cosmetically you can see something was there, but functionally it is as good and secure after the fix.
If they are mounted where mine are, for the most part they are out of the major water zone.  Plus, I am not sure how strong double-sided tape is. Hope this helps.  Also, for info on the rails on the wings.  The bottom of the rail is probably 1/2 inch tall and is hard against the fabric on the wing, so I think placing coins, etc. up there would be no problem.
      Bob
164  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2552 Mods/Improvements /Captions on: January 20, 2011, 10:17:55 pm
Margie,
  Go up to Reply #4 above your request.  I listed the items, part numbers, and sizes of the towel holders.  They were purchased at a standard RV store.  I hope this helps.  If you do need more, let me know and I will try and reproduce a page out of an RV catalog.
     Bob
165  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2552 Mods/Improvements /Captions on: January 17, 2011, 02:08:20 am
Ron,
    I forgot about the mounting of the towel racks in the shower.  They are mounted with screws.  The holes are already in the racks, so I just drilled in to the wall.  The holes and screws are sealed upon installation.  Also, the top and sides of the racks are sealed, but not the bottom.  Just in case some moisture gets behind the rack. 
    P.S., my wife straightened me out on my wedding band.  Working on military aircraft in electrical and electronics, you never wear jewelry around electricity.  So, for 30 years it was not on while at work.  We had an unfortunate accident that reinforced the reason not to wear jewelry at work.  We had a fellow working on top of a helicopter on jacks so it was a long way to the floor.  He slipped and slid down the side of the helicopter.  His ring got caught on an open panel and it pulled his finger off and his tendons out of his arm.  A serious lesson I will not forget. 
    Bob
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