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211  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used. on: November 09, 2011, 03:33:54 pm

I am not sure that all members of the RV industry abide by  a "check and balance" system  that would throw any flags that something may of may not be safe for the consumer.  Over the years there have been many chassis's used with in the RV indsutry that did not perform well..Renault and VW come to mind immediately and how about the auto industry with Corvairs, Explorers, and Pintos to name just a few, none of those manfacturers came out and told consumers to not buy those cars when they new there were issues way before anything was in fact said.    I am not saying the Sprinter chassis will become a "cast out"  becasue it was un safe but I do think it is interesting how M-B keeps a very tight lid on what the RV industry can and can not do with their chassis's and I do think that would lead one to draw the conclusion that there are concerns about how the chassis performs when fully loaded, and in most cases in the world of RV's overloaded.  I would simply call Kermit Fisher or better yet Kyle Fisher his son who delivers PC coaches all over the country and get his opinion on the comparison between the Ford and Sprinter chassis's.  You owe it to yourself to drive both chassis's and draw your on opinions.  Having had 6 new coaches I can tell you not one of them was perfect, not one of them was without issues, and two of them (Monaco Class A's) had rear trailing arms that would break completely off and of course you would have no control over the coach, Monaco's quality control at it best.  Again, I am very impressed with how PC has evenly distributed the weight of their coaches both front to rear and side to side and placing the coach on a Ford E-450 with a CCC of over a ton after being fully loaded is what you want when you are doing 68 MPH and some pulls in front of you.  Just my two cents.  Thanks
212  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used. on: November 07, 2011, 09:16:51 am

I know you want to keep your potential coach as short as you can but I really think you should be looking at the 2552s that will give you 12" of "play room" with the bed lay out.  My wife likes to use to many pillows and it made the 68" single bed to short for her (she is 5'8") so she uses the 74" bed and does fine.  I am seriously looking at going from the 2551 to the 2552S for a variety of reasons but primarily so that I can get two beds that are atleast 74" long.  I have checked with Stuart at PC and he said "yes" it can be done with out much trouble and he has atleast 12" to play with, I am sure they would cut into the pantry in the slide or the towel closet in the bathroom.  As I know you have seen my posts on other forums I am not a big fan of the Sprinter chassis.  A PC on a Sprinter may handle great because the PC's is lower overall but I am telling you my 10' 2" 2009 Monaco Covina  (you appear to need the extra cieling clearance inside because of your size) on a Sprinter with its narrow track was very dangerous with the stock suspension and nearly over weight before adding any supplies. The Covina was engineered very well in that the center of gravity was reduced so much I could not get under the coach because of lack of clearance.  I would sure prefer to have a chassis that was not even close to max load (Ford E-450) vs's a chassis that was nearly over loaded before adding any supplies or people.  In a panic situation a fully loaded chassis does not handle like a 1/2 loaded chassis and safety must be your first priority.  Thanks
213  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Cold weather camping on: November 03, 2011, 04:24:14 pm
I would agree 100% with all that PJC has to say.  The cab is without a doubt the biggest heat loss area.  One small thing you should do is always turn the heater control knob to the off position.  Not being off the damper stays open and cold air comes in thru the heater box and cab vents; turning to the off positon also prevents the fumes from the gen set from coming into the coach.  Just get the blamnkets out and dump the antifreeze down the drains and you will be fine well into the 20's.
214  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: How does your PC ride? on: October 31, 2011, 09:27:23 am
I have a 2551 on the E-450 and will say the ride is hard, especially when running a light load.  On the positive side it does make you feel good that you know you have something "rugged" under you and even when fully loaded you will most likely have close to 2000 lbs in load capacity to max out the chassis.  I recently put some new Bilstiens on and I must say it has improved the ride considerably and the handling was improved as well, not significantly, but  perhaps 30%. I all so backed the air pressure down five pound each all the way around, still easily carries the load according to Michelin and my local tire dealer.   I had 2009 Monaco Covina on a Sprinter and while the ride may have been better than the Ford I feel stongly the ride was at the expense of control.  The chassis was nearly maxed out before you even loaded anything into it.  In fairness,  the Covina was nearly a foot taller than any PC on a Sprinter so I am sure that made the chassis as "tippy" as it was and you may not have that sensation with a PC.  I have had 38' A's with air bag suspension and to be honest I always thought they rode hard as well; not sure you are going to get a true smooth ride until you get up into a dual axle,  true air ride suspension chassis.   I feel strongly the E-450 is one tough chassis and PC has engineered their coachs very well to have good weight balance resulting in good vehicle control.  What you do not  want and I have expeienced,  is the sensation that the coach is over powering the suspension of the chassis in and emergency situation.  best of luck
215  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 6 way power seat on: October 26, 2011, 09:27:12 am
For a short period of time I owned a 2009 Monaco Covina on the Dodge Sprinter chassis.  Neither of the front seats were able to rotate.  I really wanted at least the passenger seat to turn and I contacted Monaco to find out why they had not offerd such and option?  They stated very clearly that M-B did not install swivals themselves because of the legal liability they would pick up if the passenger seat was turned while traveling and the air bag was ever actaivted there would be significant potential for bodily injury.  Monaco's lawyers in turn would not allow swivals to be installed by them becasue they did not want to pick up any liability either.  Obviously, different lawyers and manfacturers see things differently since my Ford PC has airbags and seats that rotate.  Just some insight that I thought you all might want to hear....thanks
216  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Kwikstep / Kwik-Lube on: October 17, 2011, 08:17:21 am
Really jumping this thread now!  When it comes to the rubber seals around the slide and old RV guy told me years ago that the best product to use to keep the seals fresh and as slippery as possible it Johnson's baby powder; I have used it faithfully and I must say it does seem to work very well.  Every couple of months just lightly shake some around the seals and that is as well.
217  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Slide Room Leak - Help on: October 14, 2011, 08:56:21 am
I find it interesting that the storage bins are wet, that would lead be to believe that the water is not coming in thru any leaking seals otherwise the carpet, etc would be wet and not the bins.  I would be looking at the seams of the slide or even the windows (not sure how high the windows are in the slide on a 3100) to see if water is not seeping into the ceiling of the slide and then down the walls.  I once had a slide leak and the manafacturer (Monaco) seperated the coach into two boxes.  The coach was one box and the slide was the second and then went from there to determine if the slide interior walls were wet meant the slide itself was leaking vs's if anything around it was wet would mean there could be a leak on the coaches roof, or seal etc.  Leaks are tough becasue water can come from just about anywhere and will follow the route of leats resistance.  The bins being wet has to be a storng clue that Kermit will know the answer to I will bet.  Best of luck!  R.A.G.
218  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Finally weighed my 2551 on: September 26, 2011, 08:51:45 am
Bob A.:   Thanks for sharing your data!   Very impressive numbers that should mimic my coach exaclty.  Shows some good engineering on PC's part! 
219  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: New first-time PC owner on: September 21, 2011, 07:36:21 pm
Steve and Heather:  Welocome to the forum and cograts on being a PC owner.  My 2551 is my 6th coach and by far the best....I do alot of work myself and reaclly appreciate how they are put together.  Just last week the screen door latch cracked, I called the factory and three days later the new latch was in my mail box thanks to Carol.  Kermit and Stuart do a great job from the technical side of things.  Best of luck and post any questions and comments you might have.  Thanks, Ron G.
220  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Thinking About a Phoenix Cruiser on: August 01, 2011, 12:46:30 pm
I had a Sprinter based Monaco Covina (24') for a short period of time having traded down from a 38' class A.   Superb looking little coach, but the floor plan just did not work.   With that said I was not overly impressed with the Sprinter (the 3.0L is a very good engine do not get me wrong) in general.   If I had kept the coach I would have done extensive chassis modifications to stiffin it up alot.   The Monaco was much taller vs's PC so perhaps it was somewhat more top heavy and therefore the lack of good road manners.  With normal load the front axle was over weight and of course there was no way I could pull my diesel jeep since  the hitch was only rated for 3500 lbs., not sure how Winnebago and others rate the Sprinter to pull more I do not see that chassis capable of towing more than 3500lbs period.  The chassis was so low you can not get underneath it do do any servcie without a floor jack.  I will say it was very strong in the mountains with the 3.0 L's  torque  The cab was comfortable but the the engine noise was very, very loud to the point that you could not hear the radio.  I never broke 15MPG no matter how hard I tired.  My E-450 can carry and pull everything I want and is much better behavied on the road.   The 2551 bed arrangement is great and would be much better if the beds were a little longer.  Just my two cents.
221  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Why Jeep Liberty? on: July 24, 2011, 09:29:02 pm
I could not help but observe the thredaing of safety cables in a posted  picture that was not correct...the last wrap around the tow bar (according to Roadmaster) should be to the inside not the outside so the towed vehicle  tracks appropriately in and emergency situation. 
222  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Tow bar alighnment on: July 22, 2011, 09:07:35 am
Recieved my 2" Roadmaster riser from the other day.  The unit is what it is suppose to be and there is no problem with clearance of the bumper and the shank of the tow bar does not come out of the back of the reciever at all.  The only issue is there is not two holes in the riser receptacle to utilize the Draw-Tite anti rattle lock pin.  The tow bar shank does fit tightly so I see no reason to worry but I know some had ordered two of the lock pins and only one will work on atleast the 2" unit.   Thanks
223  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Tow bar alighnment on: July 15, 2011, 09:24:16 am

Once again I am very impressed witht he calibur of this forum, the discussion is great and very helpful.  I expect my 2" Roadmaster riser today I would hope. is probbaly wondering why such a run on riser of late!?   Thanks and I hope everyone has a great weekend.  I hope the PC outing here in NH later thai summer has the weather we have had all this week....85 degrees and clear blue sky!
224  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Tow bar alighnment on: July 14, 2011, 09:04:05 am
Ron D. and others:   I have the same concerns as you that the riser will hit the bumper or the tail of the falcon bar will be to long for the reciever.  I decided on the 2" riser thinking that wiould get me into the safe zone and most likely will only cover the lic. plate but not hit the bumper.  As soon as I get the reciever I will post how close it comes to the bottem of the bumper....I did read that the 2" is still rated at 6000 lbs, I hope so since a drop to 4000 lb rating will not cover my 4300 lb diesel LIberty.....why is nothing easy?    Thanks
225  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Tow bar alighnment on: July 12, 2011, 09:22:24 am
I was able to get and accurate measurement last evening and the Jeep is 4" higher than the E-450 hitch.  I have ordered the 2" riser thru for  $49.00, it is 6000 lb rated and made by Roadmaster I think that will bring me into the safe zone alll right.
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