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211  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used. on: April 02, 2012, 01:46:04 pm
Sherman:

I must say your line of thinking is different and here is why I have concluded that:

1.  Forum posters recommmend that you contact Stuart Bailey at PC, like Stuart, not like Stuart, it makes no difference but I can tell you he knows his RV's thru and thru and I would listen to what he says.  Stuart stated he could not personnally justify the $12,000 up charge for a Sprinter and he recommends the Ford.  You concluded you want the Sprinter.
2. Forum poster brings up the center of gravity issue on a narrow wheel'ed Sprinter.  Poster who is and enginner gives us all a super physicis 101 lesson on center of gravity theory and concludes that a Sprinter would be far more tippy compared to the E-450.  You conclude you want a Sprinter.
3. Forum posters brings up the issue around not being able to idle a 3.0L diesel M-B engine becuase it will do harm and warranty will not cover any resulting dmage.  You speak with M-B engineer who says to not idle the 3.0L for more than 30 mins no matter what.  You conclude the 3.0L can be idled for and extended period of time.
4.  Service and warranty work on a M-B Sprinter based RV can be and issue that I have experienced. You call M-B and they give you the company line... the only 3 M-B dealers here in NH will not service Sprinters and any other dealer accross the country that was built to servcie cars will not service Sprinter RV's that are different comaperd to commercial vans.  You conclude that service will not be and issue.

Many posters on this forum have had more than several motor home (me for one) and I can tell you we have all seen and experienced every darn pitfall of RV'ing you can.  Everyone wants to see you in and RV now and as satisfied with your ulitmate purcahse as you can be and if a Sprinter based RV fits your needs then that is great please just go buy it.  I have never seen a better quality forum then the PC site, I have yet to see a post that does not include correct information and that is not found on other sites.  My Sprinter based chassis just did not work for my needs and it very much might work for you,  but please just have open eyes and apapreciate the fact that posters are just attempting to explain certain issues around the Sprinter.  I just do not want you to end up like I did by wanting the Sprinter do be more than it is able to deliver and that sinking feeling that it just does not meet the bill.    Best of luck, thanks
212  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used. on: April 01, 2012, 04:22:18 pm
Sherman:

I am speaking specifically about diesel engines not gas and not about the old 5 cylinder M-B diesels that do not have PMF (particulate matter filter) on them.  Again, the 3.0L Mercedes should not sit and idle for it will over heat the PMF (particulate matter filter) as well as the intake gets very plugged with re-circulated crud.  I do not have my Sprinter manual any more but I know there was a warning in the 2009 manual to not idle the engine.  Go to http://sprinter-source.com/forum/showthread.php?+c11031 (hope I got that all right) and see what is being said...thanks
213  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used. on: April 01, 2012, 08:07:20 am
Sherman:

For the record, Jeep for two years( 07,08 and a little 0f 09) put the 3.0L M-B in the Grand Cherokee (exact same engine that is in the Sprinter).   Jeep all so sold the 3.0 M-B in Europe for close to 10 years. The new 3.0 that will be coming in 2013 is a Fiat/V.M. Monturi designed and manafactured and is supose to get nearly 30% better MPG's compared to the 3.0 M-B.  i found your article on the Sprinter's center of gravity interesting, i would like to see scientific tests on a 11' RV vs's a cargo van based Sprinter.  I was not aware of the optional "idle up" feature but that would be a goood feature.  Once again I know for a fact you are not to idle a 3.0L M-B diesel.  Are you aware all so that after 100,000 miles the particulate matter filter must be replaced at uwards of $3000...do alittle research on that subject at your M-B dealer.   Thanks
214  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used. on: March 31, 2012, 10:02:17 pm
The 3.0L and all other commonn rail diesels are not suppose to ilde but I do not know exaclty why that is.  Driving around the block or being able to "up idle" by using the cruise control setting as was the case on other diesels that I have owned is just not a feature on the 3.0L.  Perhaps Sprinter owners can share what the verbage says in their new Sprinter books.  In my 3.0L jeep book it is bold to not idle period.
215  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used. on: March 31, 2012, 06:16:49 pm
Sherman
The 3.0L can NOT be idled at all.  Doing so other than for a couple minutes to cool the turbo down  will do long term damage to the engine.  The V -10 CAN IDLE ALL DAY.  THANKS
216  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used. on: March 30, 2012, 09:24:05 am
Sherman:

Just remember the diesel generator is far more expensive and the weight is far greater compared to the LP model.  The weight issue is why you see so many more LP gen set on Sprinters, all manafacturers are concnerned about that GVW!  As I can tell you are seeing that there are trade offs with everything when it comes to RV's.   Thanks
217  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Sprinter vs Ford (was: Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used.) on: March 30, 2012, 09:14:14 am
rmmpe:

Thank you very much for putting everything in perfect perspective and explaining very clearly physics 101 in regards to center of gravity theory.  There is no doubt the Sprinter chassis is a durable chassis that I am sure will give years of service to the owner that maintains it well.  No matter how advanced the electronic stability control sysyetm might be or how much after market equipment one should choose to put onto the chassis the bottom line is the chassis is still classified as  "light duty" compared to the E series that is "light med. duty".  M-B designed and engineered, and by the way did a great job creating a delivery van chassis that is now being adapted to RV use and in my opinion pushing the limits of the chassis.  I guess I am ultra conservative in that I always think and plan for the worse case and hope for the best when it comes to driving and equipment safety.  Having owned a Sprinter that despite that "Germany touch" that one has to appreciate I could not reconcile in my own mind that the chassis would perform the way I would want it to perform in that worse case situation.  In closing....I would have to say the "upcharge" on a Sprinter is not due to the chassis/cab but all for that 3.0L engine that if you were ever to have to replace completely would cost you upwards of $17,000!  It is a world class engine that is most likley worth those dollars I must say.   Thanks
218  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Sprinter vs Ford (was: Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used.) on: March 29, 2012, 09:58:03 pm
The Sprinter was engineered for European roads that for the most part are much more narrow compared to US roads.  E-350,450's could never get where they thread Sprinters in those old Italian towns! 
219  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Sprinter vs Ford (was: Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used.) on: March 29, 2012, 12:28:21 pm
JackD:  Thanks for the update.  There is no doubt the PC coach is a far better fit on a Sprinter vs's some other manafacturers.  The Monoco Covina had a full wall slide and bed over the cab and she was pushing her max weight limit when you loaded it all.  Otherwise, a great looking coach
220  Main Forum / General Discussion / Sprinter vs Ford (was: Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used.) on: March 28, 2012, 08:48:50 pm
I hope someone can chime in and help explain the differnces in frame constrution because obviously I am not getting the point across.....Ford and GM use "C" channel steel rails that are cross memebered up and the cab is afixed to the rails.  the Sprinter utilizes a stamped box rail that gets it strength from the fact it is a closed "box" with cross memebers as well for more rigidity, the cab is and intregal part of the frame with the cab floor being stamped at the same time.  The stamped and welded sheet metal is of course much thinner compared to the C channel and therefore the greater load capacity of the E series.  Is one better that the other, I can not answer that for I am not and engineer but it sure would appear that the thicker C channel would take the punishment of todays roads better over time. Where am I wrong here?   thanks
221  Main Forum / General Discussion / Sprinter vs Ford (was: Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used.) on: March 28, 2012, 07:58:39 pm
The 3500 Sprinter is in fact unibody construction.  the difference between the old frames and the newer style is the 3500 has and extra "spine" running thru it that I have been told is to add rigidity to the stamped box channels.  HWH does offer the new low profile jacks specifically for the Sprinter and the jacks come with a saddle bracket that prevents the jack pressure from collapsing the channel.  While a very strong design and what Ford will be offering with their new Transit model since it does lesson the weight considerably there is no comparison to the old frame rail cab on chassis approach that Ford, and GM has used for years.  The local ABC affiliate utilized a couple of Sprinters for satelite trucks over the past couple of years for the increase in MPG.  The frames became very fatigued and actually tore in places due to the torque/twisting caused by the raised antennas, they are back to the E-series. 
222  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: A 3100 possible purchase question on: March 28, 2012, 06:44:25 pm
Welcome Richard:

I have the 2551 (same layout as the 3100 in the rear) and truly like the bed layout and like everyone else has stated have had no issues with the toilet.  With that said if your wife just does  not like the thought of the bed orientation I would ask Stuart if you could not have them flip the shirt wardrobes to the rear and put the headboards towards the front of the coach.  i see no reason why this could not be done...... atleast worth asking.  Best of luck and you will not be let down with PCUSA.
223  Main Forum / General Discussion / Sprinter vs Ford (was: Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used.) on: March 28, 2012, 12:26:14 pm
JackD:

I hope you are planning to post your rough MPG's up on Ron D's thread?  Since your Sprinter must have been one of the 50 that Kermit and Stuart purchased from Monaco it must be "spected" out just like my Monaco Covina was....therefore I must ask if you find the cab area excessively loud when doing 65MPH?  There was not much insulation on the firewall on mine and I am sure PC has not done anything extra just like Monaco did not to soundproof the coach any.   Thanks
224  Main Forum / General Discussion / Sprinter vs Ford (was: Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used.) on: March 28, 2012, 09:01:07 am
Just for my own sake I just called my local M-B dealer (Holliway M-B),  they actually own all of the M-B dealers in NH (3), they do not service Sprinters  at any of their locations and have no plans to do so since their service bays will not handle and RV sized vehicle and the volume of Sprinter based RV's in the marketplace would not warrant renovating their garages to handle such a vehicle I would have to venture a guess that many M-B dealers are in the same situation.  The nearest dealer that could perform work on the Sprinter would be 1.15 hours away.  I then called Freightliner of Boston (since MA would have a different M-B status) after being placed on hold for 7 mins the nice service manager said they could do warrenty work on M-B effective in the last few weeks but admitted that it is somewhat confusing on their end and in most cases if a M-B badged Sprinter came in they would most likley send it up the road to the nearby M-B dealer that does Sprinters.  Not sure this is all a "show stopper" but I do not need anymore run arounds in my life and calling my local Ford dealer for any work is worth a whole lot to me.  Again, best of luck and I would agree with other posters that you are sure missing out on a lot of fun by not just biting the bullet and making the big purchase from PC.
225  Main Forum / General Discussion / Sprinter vs Ford (was: Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used.) on: March 27, 2012, 04:17:05 pm
Jerry: 
You are right on the leveling jacks and Sprinters.  On my 2010 Monaco Covina, Sprinter based,  Monaco attempted and did a great job of making the center of gravity so low with how they hung the coach on the chassis there was honestly no way I could personnaly get under the coach and I am not and overly large guy so having the room to put jacks on was out of the question plus the weight of and average sysyem would have put the Covina way over weight.   The issue I had was that the stock suspension was so weak for the coaches weight that there was alot of movement merely when you walked around in the coach.  I like being able to put my jacks down and know I will not be twisting the E-450 frame all that much.   Thanks
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