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226  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used. on: March 31, 2012, 10:02:17 pm
The 3.0L and all other commonn rail diesels are not suppose to ilde but I do not know exaclty why that is.  Driving around the block or being able to "up idle" by using the cruise control setting as was the case on other diesels that I have owned is just not a feature on the 3.0L.  Perhaps Sprinter owners can share what the verbage says in their new Sprinter books.  In my 3.0L jeep book it is bold to not idle period.
227  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used. on: March 31, 2012, 06:16:49 pm
Sherman
The 3.0L can NOT be idled at all.  Doing so other than for a couple minutes to cool the turbo down  will do long term damage to the engine.  The V -10 CAN IDLE ALL DAY.  THANKS
228  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used. on: March 30, 2012, 09:24:05 am
Sherman:

Just remember the diesel generator is far more expensive and the weight is far greater compared to the LP model.  The weight issue is why you see so many more LP gen set on Sprinters, all manafacturers are concnerned about that GVW!  As I can tell you are seeing that there are trade offs with everything when it comes to RV's.   Thanks
229  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Sprinter vs Ford (was: Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used.) on: March 30, 2012, 09:14:14 am
rmmpe:

Thank you very much for putting everything in perfect perspective and explaining very clearly physics 101 in regards to center of gravity theory.  There is no doubt the Sprinter chassis is a durable chassis that I am sure will give years of service to the owner that maintains it well.  No matter how advanced the electronic stability control sysyetm might be or how much after market equipment one should choose to put onto the chassis the bottom line is the chassis is still classified as  "light duty" compared to the E series that is "light med. duty".  M-B designed and engineered, and by the way did a great job creating a delivery van chassis that is now being adapted to RV use and in my opinion pushing the limits of the chassis.  I guess I am ultra conservative in that I always think and plan for the worse case and hope for the best when it comes to driving and equipment safety.  Having owned a Sprinter that despite that "Germany touch" that one has to appreciate I could not reconcile in my own mind that the chassis would perform the way I would want it to perform in that worse case situation.  In closing....I would have to say the "upcharge" on a Sprinter is not due to the chassis/cab but all for that 3.0L engine that if you were ever to have to replace completely would cost you upwards of $17,000!  It is a world class engine that is most likley worth those dollars I must say.   Thanks
230  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Sprinter vs Ford (was: Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used.) on: March 29, 2012, 09:58:03 pm
The Sprinter was engineered for European roads that for the most part are much more narrow compared to US roads.  E-350,450's could never get where they thread Sprinters in those old Italian towns! 
231  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Sprinter vs Ford (was: Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used.) on: March 29, 2012, 12:28:21 pm
JackD:  Thanks for the update.  There is no doubt the PC coach is a far better fit on a Sprinter vs's some other manafacturers.  The Monoco Covina had a full wall slide and bed over the cab and she was pushing her max weight limit when you loaded it all.  Otherwise, a great looking coach
232  Main Forum / General Discussion / Sprinter vs Ford (was: Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used.) on: March 28, 2012, 08:48:50 pm
I hope someone can chime in and help explain the differnces in frame constrution because obviously I am not getting the point across.....Ford and GM use "C" channel steel rails that are cross memebered up and the cab is afixed to the rails.  the Sprinter utilizes a stamped box rail that gets it strength from the fact it is a closed "box" with cross memebers as well for more rigidity, the cab is and intregal part of the frame with the cab floor being stamped at the same time.  The stamped and welded sheet metal is of course much thinner compared to the C channel and therefore the greater load capacity of the E series.  Is one better that the other, I can not answer that for I am not and engineer but it sure would appear that the thicker C channel would take the punishment of todays roads better over time. Where am I wrong here?   thanks
233  Main Forum / General Discussion / Sprinter vs Ford (was: Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used.) on: March 28, 2012, 07:58:39 pm
The 3500 Sprinter is in fact unibody construction.  the difference between the old frames and the newer style is the 3500 has and extra "spine" running thru it that I have been told is to add rigidity to the stamped box channels.  HWH does offer the new low profile jacks specifically for the Sprinter and the jacks come with a saddle bracket that prevents the jack pressure from collapsing the channel.  While a very strong design and what Ford will be offering with their new Transit model since it does lesson the weight considerably there is no comparison to the old frame rail cab on chassis approach that Ford, and GM has used for years.  The local ABC affiliate utilized a couple of Sprinters for satelite trucks over the past couple of years for the increase in MPG.  The frames became very fatigued and actually tore in places due to the torque/twisting caused by the raised antennas, they are back to the E-series. 
234  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: A 3100 possible purchase question on: March 28, 2012, 06:44:25 pm
Welcome Richard:

I have the 2551 (same layout as the 3100 in the rear) and truly like the bed layout and like everyone else has stated have had no issues with the toilet.  With that said if your wife just does  not like the thought of the bed orientation I would ask Stuart if you could not have them flip the shirt wardrobes to the rear and put the headboards towards the front of the coach.  i see no reason why this could not be done...... atleast worth asking.  Best of luck and you will not be let down with PCUSA.
235  Main Forum / General Discussion / Sprinter vs Ford (was: Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used.) on: March 28, 2012, 12:26:14 pm
JackD:

I hope you are planning to post your rough MPG's up on Ron D's thread?  Since your Sprinter must have been one of the 50 that Kermit and Stuart purchased from Monaco it must be "spected" out just like my Monaco Covina was....therefore I must ask if you find the cab area excessively loud when doing 65MPH?  There was not much insulation on the firewall on mine and I am sure PC has not done anything extra just like Monaco did not to soundproof the coach any.   Thanks
236  Main Forum / General Discussion / Sprinter vs Ford (was: Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used.) on: March 28, 2012, 09:01:07 am
Just for my own sake I just called my local M-B dealer (Holliway M-B),  they actually own all of the M-B dealers in NH (3), they do not service Sprinters  at any of their locations and have no plans to do so since their service bays will not handle and RV sized vehicle and the volume of Sprinter based RV's in the marketplace would not warrant renovating their garages to handle such a vehicle I would have to venture a guess that many M-B dealers are in the same situation.  The nearest dealer that could perform work on the Sprinter would be 1.15 hours away.  I then called Freightliner of Boston (since MA would have a different M-B status) after being placed on hold for 7 mins the nice service manager said they could do warrenty work on M-B effective in the last few weeks but admitted that it is somewhat confusing on their end and in most cases if a M-B badged Sprinter came in they would most likley send it up the road to the nearby M-B dealer that does Sprinters.  Not sure this is all a "show stopper" but I do not need anymore run arounds in my life and calling my local Ford dealer for any work is worth a whole lot to me.  Again, best of luck and I would agree with other posters that you are sure missing out on a lot of fun by not just biting the bullet and making the big purchase from PC.
237  Main Forum / General Discussion / Sprinter vs Ford (was: Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used.) on: March 27, 2012, 04:17:05 pm
Jerry: 
You are right on the leveling jacks and Sprinters.  On my 2010 Monaco Covina, Sprinter based,  Monaco attempted and did a great job of making the center of gravity so low with how they hung the coach on the chassis there was honestly no way I could personnaly get under the coach and I am not and overly large guy so having the room to put jacks on was out of the question plus the weight of and average sysyem would have put the Covina way over weight.   The issue I had was that the stock suspension was so weak for the coaches weight that there was alot of movement merely when you walked around in the coach.  I like being able to put my jacks down and know I will not be twisting the E-450 frame all that much.   Thanks
238  Main Forum / General Discussion / Sprinter vs Ford (was: Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used.) on: March 27, 2012, 01:11:58 pm
Thanks for the image Ron D.!  The Ford and the forthcoming Fiat based Dodge Ram should really give  the Sprinter a run for the money.  I donot care what anyone says I think the Sprinters are over priced, noisey, not maintenance free and over their weight limit when they hit the road.  On that note I am done passing judgement..to each his own.   Thanks
239  Main Forum / General Discussion / Sprinter vs Ford (was: Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used.) on: March 27, 2012, 10:45:44 am
Sherman:

I realize you have a lot to think about and it is obvious that you do process everything a lot.  Everyone on this forum are great people and we all very much appreciate the quality of a PC coach, the problem is not every RV manafacturer does such a good job constructing their particular coach on a chassis.  Dealers get burned all the time in that the company (Ford, GM, M-B, etc..) sets hours to complete a particuar job for warranty work as we all know.  Working on and RV can take double the time since "add on's" may have to be moved, manafacturers have tapped into OEM equipment incorrectly, etc and dealers eat a ton of labor cost.  For that reason many dealers refuse to work on motor homes period and they have the right to refuse even warranty work.  Not every Dodge dealer (very few actaully) is certified to work on Sprinters just like not every M-B dealer will work on Sprinters either.  I have found that the PC on the E series chassis is more likely to be worked on because of the height of PC's allows them into garages more easily and the E series is very common, when you get over 11 feet you will eliminate many dealership because of their overhead doors are just not high enough.
It is no secret that the Chrysler/M-B seperation was not a nice one and their are not warm feelings between the two company's now.  While parts for the 3.0L can still be gotten by a Dodge/Jeep delaer I can tell you the parts some time come very slowly and the price for those parts is thru the roof, I pay $34.00 for and oil filter at my Jeep dealer for my 3.0L M-B that has and M-B logo on it and I get the same filter at the M-B dealership for nearly half the price.  My dealer claims parts are getting slower and slower and if you are looking at a couple year old Sprinter it is most likley going to have the Dodge Ram hood logo on it and you will have to get it servcied at a Dodge certified dealer and some of those dealers may infact be giving up their certified satatus since there are no more Dodge/Ram Sprinters and the fleet out there will get old fast.  While as I stated, we all love RV's on this forum I can tell you that many M-B dealers including my very large local  dealer does not want RV's sitting in their lot waiting for service, totally different customers!  Over my 30 years of RV'ing I can tell you I have had sat in more Cummin's Truck Repair Center then I would like to admit.  One, they hate RV's for the reasons I have stated above,  two, you are on vacation in a very expensive RV and you are competing with the guy who has to make it to LA in three days with a load of Maine potatoes, you tell me who is going to get the attention of the servcie manager first? Third, truck repair techs are very different comapred to car techs, do not expect your Sprinter to be vacumed and washed afer and oil change but YOU will have to get it washed and vacumed aftre they are thru!

If for what ever reason you do not want to go the Ford route now I would personnaly wait seveal years and you are going to see  new chassis's come on the market for RV applications from both Ford and Ram that will offer better MPG, more flexible floorplans, etc. 

In closing, while PC makes a super coach I am not sure PC or the majority of the other manafacturers out there will ever see a coach staying together in consideration of the  condition of our roads today to make it over 100,000 miles therefore your pay off math justifing the up charge for the Sprinter is really not valid.

If you listen to know one on this forum you should listen to Stuart who knows his business and has stated his opinions very clearly.   Thanks

240  Main Forum / General Discussion / Sprinter vs Ford (was: Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used.) on: March 26, 2012, 10:15:57 pm
Sherman:

I am glad that you got alot of valuable info from Stuart today, he knows his RV business inside and out and you should believe and listen to what he says.  You can NOT get your M-B Spinter serviced at a Freighliner dealer and vice versa I know I tried at both dealers with my Dodge Sprinter and they both said no.  I can not get my Jeep with the 3.0L M-B with Mercedes logos all over it servcied or repaired at a M-B dealer either in or out of warranty peroid.  It appears that you have your mind set on the Sprinter so give Stuart a call and place your order.  I very much look forward to hearing how you like your new rig post delivery.......thanks
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