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241  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: vibration in driveline on: August 06, 2014, 09:59:24 am
Update...I called Ford Motor Co.'s RV customer service line yesterday to inquire as to what suggestions they might have to remedy the ongoing vibration I have in my 2012 E-450 with 7,000 miles on it....I placed the call primarily out of principal and due to the fact I know there are no Ford dealers in NH that have the capability to balance all three shafts at once... I was primarily looking for permission to go "out of network" without loosing the potential for Ford warranty coverage.   My conversation began positive but soon turned somewhat negative as the Ford rep resorted to reading from the "old Ford defensive play book".  For the record there are two certified Ford frame modifiers in Elkhart who follow closely the Ford tech specs for frame extending and in most cases actually utilize Ford drive shafts for the application.  Because Ford did not do the actual work they are not responsible for any warranty coverage.  While I understand their position I find this "gray area" disturbing in that I have read the warranty booklet very closely and there is absolutely no mention of any break in driveline warranty coverage (5 years/60,000 miles) if the frame has been modified.   The booklet specifically mentions limo and ambulance applications (no mention of RV's) but states clearly that as long as the fabricators use a Ford certified chassis for specific applications the Ford warranty is still in affect.  PC uses RV certified chassis in all of their coaches.  As the end user I think we should all be aware that if there is and issue with the frame, drive shafts, of other components excluding the engine, transmission and rear end we are all with out any  Ford warranty coverage.  We all spend a lot of money to purchase our coaches and with that purchase comes the implied warranty coverage and I find it upsetting when an issue surfaces know one (Ford, the certified Ford frame extender, or PC) steps up to assist the owner.  In conclusion,  I spoke with my local Ford dealer who is willing to approach the regional Ford rep about some assistance (good will $$$) when the vibration is resolved.  What is ironic is the Ford dealer got absolutely nothing out of my purchase of the PC and yet is willing to help me out.   I look forward to what differing opinions of this situation you all have?   "Live Free or Die", NH's state slogan says it all.   Thanks
242  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: vibration in driveline on: August 01, 2014, 08:39:55 pm
Kermit returned my call today and we had an informative conversation regarding the vibration.  His rule is if you can feel it in your butt it is driveline, in the wheel it is tire related.  His advise was that not balancing all of the shafts together would most likely be a waste.   A truck garage that specializes in suspension, driveline issues in Portland, Maine can balance all three together.  I think I will take the rig up there and leave it since they claim to have a super guy who just specializes with such issues.   Will keep you all poster.   thanks
243  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: vibration in driveline on: August 01, 2014, 09:49:57 am unit is still under Ford 3/36 warranty but I know I will have a fight to get them to cover.  Still awaiting to get Kermit's input.  Your point is well taken in that there is no way the three shafts not balanced together could ever work.   will keep you posted.
244  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: vibration in driveline on: July 29, 2014, 04:30:51 pm
Update...Ford dealer would like to pull the shafts and send them to a truck dealership that has a shaft balancer.  The only issue is they do not have the capability to do all three together, that bothers me.  I have left a message for Kermit to get his input if doing them separately will solve the problem....I was quoted $450 for the balancing (on top of the road force at $300 and the first balance job at $60) the dollars are adding up with no garrantee! I would hate to throw the towel in and say "I can live with it".  Not sure why the end user (coach owners) should be picking the tab up here? NHWander....please know that any coach over 30 feet is going to have the extended driveline/frame extension.  The stock Ford wheel  bases would not have such extensions.  Thanks
245  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: vibration in driveline on: July 27, 2014, 07:46:22 pm
Update....Got vehicle back from Ford dealer on Friday.  They moved some tires around on the back thinking they might be able to reduce vibration.  I really appreciated their efforts and they did not charge me for their efforts(I am still getting over what they charged me for the road force balancing!).
No real significant change I do not think they want to get into balancing the shafts but guess that is the route we must take.  Ths.
246  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: vibration in driveline on: July 24, 2014, 09:49:41 pm
Update....Ford service dept. took the rig out on the highway and found the vehicle does in fact have a serious vibration.  On the lift they observed the off center driveline  and the sharp angle of the final shaft into the differential.  I have forwarded all of Skipper's research and exp. and Kermit's excellent input.  They have kept the vehicle to do some research themselves to see what their approach might be?  Nothing has been said as to who's responsibility the fix will be....will keep you posted.  Vehicle has 7000 miles on it.  Vibration does appear to be getting worse.  thanks
247  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: vibration in driveline on: July 24, 2014, 09:25:49 am
Update....Ford road force balanced all six (6) tires yesterday (to the tune of $300!!!) and said it was all set with one being way out of balance.     Picked unit up and the vibration was the same as before!   Back today to begin to look at the driveline, I supplied them with all of the info that Shipper outlined.   We will see what they find today, to say the least,  the $300 charge will be discussed.  Why is nothing easy?   Ths.
248  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: vibration in driveline on: July 18, 2014, 10:30:26 am
Skipper.....thank you very much for outlining my options and approaches.  I will do exactly what you have outlined prior to going to Ford.  I hope the same equipment that your were able to untilize is available here!    ths.
249  Main Forum / General Discussion / vibration in driveline on: July 16, 2014, 02:47:11 pm
I read all of Skippers  past posts regarding driveline vibration and what he went thru to get to a good ending very interesting. It appears that I have the same vibration in my 2012 3100.  I had a vibration before the Michelin recall and thought perhaps one of the tires had thrown a weight or something.  New Michelins were put on in Feb. and I have now had them reballanced twice and the vibration is still with me!  Seems to be worse in that 62 MPH range.   I guess i will contact Ford and get ready for the dealer run around and finger pointing as to who's responsibility it will be to correct the problem.  Will keep you posted.
250  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: TOWING- cargo trailer on: June 24, 2014, 12:32:19 pm
Sparky....You should have no problem pulling that size trailer.   You will need a 2" ball that will slip into the reciever on the back of your PC.  You will need and adapter that will go from the seven lug  round plug on your PC to a four lug plug that U-Haul uses usually on their trailers.  All can be gotten at WalMart for like $35...$9.00 for the plug adapter, $24 for the Reese ball mount and the ballance for the 2" plug.  While you can back up I would not waste my time attempting such action since it will be tricky without being able to see out and using the camera, IMO!  Good luck should be clear sailing.
251  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: New chassis on: June 23, 2014, 09:41:31 am
All good points that I can not disagree with.  The bottom line is the E series is suppsoe to be gone within 5 years and the replacement Ford chassis has a GCVW less than a Sprinter.  I do not see Ford getting out of the RV business so I see no option other than the F series since there is no sign that the pickup business is slowing down.   The F series would allow longer coaches to be built on them, more cab room, better ride, quite.  While we all may like the E-series I am afraid it has reached the end of its road.   Ths.
252  Main Forum / General Discussion / New chassis on: June 20, 2014, 03:50:21 pm
I am observing several  manafacturers utilizing the Ford F-450 and 550 chassis's and wonder what Kermit and PC might be up to?!  The new Ford chassis that is suppose to at some time replace the E series will not carry the loads we all carry.   Would love to see a new PC model based on the "F" chassis!
253  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: valve extenders and tire pressure monitoring system on: June 03, 2014, 09:49:33 am
I have had flexible extenders on several motorhomes with zero issues. But... i just had the Michelin recall done (Feb.) and found both inner tires flat one morning post the new tires being installed.  I  figured they were just poorly installed and really put the pliers onto them.  One has held air but the other one has subsequently gone flat again.  I have ordered new more expensive extenders to see how they work.   It is a real pain without them so need to install something. 
254  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Rear Bumper on: June 03, 2014, 09:40:15 am
Very attarctive to say the least!!!  Would love to see image from the back!
255  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: wireless toad lights on: May 13, 2014, 03:41:16 pm
The new Roadmaster base plates do not utilize slide in recievers and pins (had on my 2002 Liberty) or the later style (2006 Liberty) that had the twist style, the new one still twists but simply has a small spring loaded catch pin that is much easier to deal with.  And like I said previously a large ring has been brought out to the front of the plate for cable hitch up.  Nice that improvments are consatntly being made.
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