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1  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Ultra Leather Ultra-Leather Ultraleather on: Today at 09:01:03 am
Examining a sample of the material sounds like a good idea.
2  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Ultra Leather Ultra-Leather Ultraleather on: February 23, 2017, 07:26:11 pm
I believe the leather/vinyl combination material you described is called "Bonded Leather" in the furniture industry.  It is often between 15% and 22% leather particles mixed into the vinyl material.  Furniture stores brag when it is in the 25% range.

When we were shopping for new furniture at home, we learned a lot about bonded leather.  We learned to STAY AWAY FROM bonded leather because in 4 to 6 years, it will crack and flake much the same as seen on the few PCs here.

Decent affordable leather is called "Top Grain" leather.  It is 100% real leather with a top grain somehow added on it's surface.  The process and color dye hides the many imperfections in the hide, allowing the utilization of lower grade hides.

The best leather is astronomically priced, only for the elite.  It is called "Full Gain" leather.  You won't find it much in middle class American homes.  A "Full Grain" leather recliner at home, will cost around 8 times more than the same recliner made of "Top Grain" leather.  It's from the best part of the animal and it is flawless.  I don't know the percentage, but animals yield a whole lot more imperfect leather than perfect leather.

When shopping for leather, some people refer to my 3 categories using different names.  But you get the idea.

I am sorry, but I don't have a good feeling about the material you found.
3  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Bad Leather, My Repair on: February 23, 2017, 01:47:04 pm
Not that I think it is the greatest idea to hand more money over to the company that gave you the problem in the first place, but.....

I wonder if Paul's Seating offers an affordable cloth-equivalent to your failed pleather.  If they do, I would assume it would be a perfect fit as well as a perfect match.  Who knows.  If you are kind to them, maybe the company will be empathetic to your situation and offer a discount on the cloth skins.  It would be nice if they sold you cloth skins at-cost.  I think it's worth a phone call to them and ask to purchase cloth skins.  Don't complain, just ask to purchase the cloth and see what happens.  Maybe you'll be reporting back with good news for others here in the same predicament.
4  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: What options should I order -- what do you wish you ordered? on: February 22, 2017, 02:33:11 pm
I am unable to prove this with either previous pair of 12V batteries, but I had always suspected one battery would take all the abuse while the other battery was protected by the abused one.  I always made sure the battery cables were hooked up properly so the load was shared equally.

What we have now with two 6V batteries hooked up in series, the load (and abuse) is forced to be equally shared.  It is not possible for one battery to take on the worst of the load while the other battery is not utilized properly.

That is just my theory.
5  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: What options should I order -- what do you wish you ordered? on: February 22, 2017, 10:29:07 am
I definitely need to read up on batteries and chargers.  I will admit to liking the idea of AGM so I don't have to check the water and such (call me lazy, but I haven't checked water levels in a batter in a very long time, so it's never on my mind).
Regarding 6V batteries or 12V batteries.  Phoenix installs 2-6V batteries these days and that is a very good thing because they are taller.  The extra height requires Phoenix to use a taller battery compartment.  If you later decide you want to try 2-12V batteries, I believe the battery compartment will easily accommodate them.

Our 10 year old PC battery compartment was designed for 2-12V batteries.  Changing over to 6V batteries creates a very tight fit after sacrificing the battery tray, forcing me into AGM batteries to avoid the need to check fluid levels.

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On batteries, I was thinking two 12v AGM batteries, so if one bit the dust, I would lose capacity but not my whole 12v system. Am I wrong in thinking this way?
You are not wrong but in the real world the likelihood of that event happening someplace you could not in a day or so get new batteries is pretty slim.  One of those things that gets argued on the internet because it is technically correct, but just doesn't matter.

There are varying opinions on batteries:
1) Only buy Costco golf cart batteries, they are cheap, rugged and work well.
2) Only buy pairs of 6volt batteries, they are 'better' than 12volt
3) Only buy pairs of 12volt batteries, if one fails you still have one
4) Only buy AGM batteries because they are 'better', somehow
5) Only buy regular lead acid, all this new AGM stuff is just fluff to make you spend more money
6) Only buy Lithium, lead acid is so last century

I've read them all and more from folks positive they are right.  My theory is buy the best battery for the purpose at the best price and don't sweat it.

Being one of the few long time (10 year) PC owners here with a whole house inverter, who almost exclusively camps without hook-ups, and who has gone through two pairs of 12V batteries and has been on his first pair of 6V AGM batteries the past 2 camping seasons, I think I can offer some practical PC-specific experience.

I can't comment on wet acid 6V batteries because I have never owned them.  But I can say that it was noticable right from the start that we have more capacity with the pair of 6V AGM batteries than with 12V wet acid.  I also can say that the drain and recharge of the deep cycle 6V AGM batteries is more linear and predictable than experienced with both pairs of deep cycle wet acid 12V batteries.

The benefit of a pair of 12V batteries instead of 6Vs is of coarse you can place the premature dead one out of service.  But isn't it better to have an arrangement where you eliminate the premature death of a battery?  My experience with both sets of 12V batteries, one starts to go bad as soon as the acid boil-overs starts.  In my case with both new 12V pairs, that started happening during the first season of use.  During or after the second season, one battery is showing serious signs of becoming ill, so I might have done better with just using the remaining healthy battery at that time.  I instead continued to stretch the pair two additional seasons for a total of 4 seasons for each 12V pair.  Needless to say that season #4 was pretty frustrating.

I am hopeful to get more than 4 "good" seasons from our pair of 6V AGM batteries.  So far it is looking very promising.  I am really hoping to get 8 good seasons from them.  We'll see if it happens.....ask me how they are doing 6 years from now.  Smile
6  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Hose length on: February 21, 2017, 08:27:02 pm
I think that my white with blue pin-stripe Walmart hose that I previously mentioned is 25 feet long.  Given our fresh water tank inlet is on the passenger side of the PC, the hose is long enough at the dump-n-fill stations to pass around and under the rear of the rig to fill the tank when the dump station potable water spicket is on the driver side.

I find myself wrestling with long hoses around the house.  The 25 footer seems to be a friendly length to handle with our PC.

As others here implied, I always attach the hose to itself to seal it after each use.  The rear storage compartment stays dry and bugs don't get inside either.
7  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Hose length on: February 20, 2017, 07:19:19 pm
I bought our fresh water hose from a Walmart store in their automotive/RV section.  It is white with a blue pin strip.  The length is whatever they sell.  I also bought from Walmart, a flat hose on a reel, but have yet to use it.  It just takes up space, fortunately not much space.

I don't know why our regular white Walmart hose is not in the picture shrug but it stores on the same hook with the flat wind-up hose.   I must have been using it at the time.  This picture was originally meant to show how I store our camping table.
8  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: What options should I order -- what do you wish you ordered? on: February 20, 2017, 10:05:11 am

I believe the armless awning being referred to are the new ones seen on class B rvs (i.e. Winnebago Fuse or Leisure Travel) that are electric.

..Mike
Hmm, interesting.
9  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: What options should I order -- what do you wish you ordered? on: February 20, 2017, 09:26:07 am
tnedator,

Here are my thoughts with 10 years of experience with our 2350.

Read through my ongoing post HERE on things I have done over the years with our PC.  Maybe some will spark an idea or two for yourself.

About keyless entry for the van doors.  Back in 2007, and maybe applies today, keyless entry is a "Ford" thing and it does not come standard on their E-Series RV-model chassis.  Our 2007 E350 is missing the keyless entry controller.  I once researched what it would take to add one, learning that our chassis is not even wired for a keyless entry controller.  I was not able to determine if the missing wire harness is something I could add myself.  My point to this is, if you want keyless entry, be clear about it right up front because Phoenix may have to special order an E450 chassis with keyless entry rather than use an E450 chassis already stretched on their lot, ready for building.

We have the box awning.  It is very clean looking by comparison to the motorized one, but can't compare to the ease of a push-button electric awning.  I still sit on the fence over my feeling about the two types.

As I feel about our box awning, I decided to delete the rear rack and ladder.  For me, that was the right decision for a very clean body as seen HERE avoiding all the mounting holes and caulk as well as the unsightly tubing all about the rig.  I actually have my rack and ladder in pieces, stored in my house basement, just in-case I ever change my mind.  It has been 10 years now so I think it's time to put them up for sale on Ebay.  With exception to our very first outing in 2007, I have been lucky not to need the ladder on a trip to untangle the PC from a low hanging tree branch.  The rack and ladder increase entanglement anyway.

I wished we had a porch light in the rear and one on the driver side of the rig, controlled on their own shared switch.  It would be very convenient to light the area all around the rig as needed.  Not just when at the camp site, but also when backing into a primitive site at night.  If you avoid hitting just one tree with them, they are so worth it.  No tree bumps yet for us, but we got surprisingly close more than once because of darkness.

This I am not sure about, but is still worth mentioning.  Phoenix might decline some of your electrical requests if you have a slide-out for it may cut off their means to channel 110V wiring along the driver side wall.  Maybe they break their own unwritten code and wire 110V up and over the slide out opening.

Unless there is a parking/storage challenge with the longer 2552, I would surely get that model.....especially if getting a dinette, and even better to have a no-slide dinette so the dinette itself could be made bigger yet.  The leg room, table size, and bed size would all benefit.  The extra relaxing seat behind the passenger seat in the 2552 is important to have with any kind of dinette.

If your plan is to drive a lot throughout your trips as we do, ask Phoenix about the 3-way hot water tank.  The 2-way heats up with propane and 110V.  The 3rd method in the 3-way unit, the coolant from the Ford engine flows through the water heater, making hot water while driving.  We have the 2-way water tank.  I think we would have appreciated the 3-way with our travel style.

One thing I would ask Phoenix about.  Can they add redundant gray and black waste tank valve control switches inside the house.  Like us, your gray tank is the smaller of the two.  You will find the need to blend the tanks once or twice between dumps.  I am considering adding one more pair of gray & black tank valve switches so I don't have to run around outside to blend the tanks which always happens during our shower time.  Needless to say it's the worst possible time to go outside and blend tanks to let the water drain out from the shower pan.

I really don't like having any more holes in our roof than necessary.  (ie: roof rack & ladder).  I had wondered if we could have done just as well with a Fantastic fan in the bathroom and do away with the one just outside the bathroom door.  Two huge holes in the roof so close together (just a couple feet apart) doing the same job, seems redundant to me.  I suppose we'd need a pass-thru grill-vent in the wall.  Or maybe a bathroom door that has a gap at the top to allow air to get past a closed bathroom door.
10  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Intro & order placed for 2552 on: February 19, 2017, 04:20:49 pm
We ordered our PC nearly 10 years ago.  I had decided to wait and see about adding levelers.  We still don't have them, managing okay without them.  I admit there are times (thankfully rare) when I wished we had them.

Does anyone know the safe limit in using PC levelers?  How many inches (front to back difference) can they adjust to be made level on a badly angled parking pad?  I occasionally will see a big class A with the front tires in the air.  Can PC levelers do that, or are they good only for some inches?  How many inches can PC levelers safely raise a PC?
11  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Intro & order placed for 2552 on: February 19, 2017, 08:10:57 am
Paw Paw, you can still get the levelers installed.  Ask Phoenix where to go.  Their installer would be your best choice since they install them all the time on brand new fully completed Phoenix Cruisers.
12  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Check your macerator pump on: February 17, 2017, 06:20:03 pm
Thanks for sharing that Paul.

Our 10 year old PC with macerator pump is supported by Phoenix's original method using generic perforated strapping (pictured below).  The installation never looked impressive so one day I set out to make a clean "U-Strap" just like the ones Phoenix has been using for a number of years since.  It didn't take long for me to leave well enough alone because significant upward stress had that connection you mentioned, leaking.  I did check the 4 bayonets and they were all good, none had cracked.  The generic perforated strapping is flexible, providing just the right amount of support in all directions.  And maybe it provides just the right amount of "Give" on bumpy roads.  It is working so well right now, it's hard to bring myself to mess with it just so it looks better.

With 3 of the 4 bayonets broken on yours, maybe the "U" strap is too tight for bumpy roads.  Consider adding some washers between strap and RV to relieve the upward pressure and add thin foam weather stripping as a cushion between the pump and strap to allow for some limited movement on bumpy roads.  Maybe that will resolve your breakage, and maybe quiet-down the pump too.

13  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself! on: February 15, 2017, 08:09:43 pm
If you own a 2011 or 2012 PC Sprinter, it could be built on a 2010 Sprinter chassis.  If that be your situation, you might lack the spare because of how Phoenix bought those Sprinters at a bankruptcy auction.  Maybe some lacked a spare tire.
14  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself! on: February 15, 2017, 07:11:09 pm
Thank you, Ron, so much for your helpful information.  I'll start looking for a used one first.
Gail
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15  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself! on: February 15, 2017, 02:00:10 pm
Hi Gail and Joe (Gail43),

Welcome to the PC family of owners!

Regarding your Sprinter spare tire.

The spare tire is "optional" at the time the RV manufacture purchases the chassis from Ford or Mercedes.  Your PC might have had a spare tire when purchased brand new, or the spare might not have ever existed.  Phoenix will not have extra spare tires & wheels for purchase, but it never hurts to ask them anyways.  You will need to buy one direct from Mercedes, or second hand from places like junkyards, Ebay, Craigslist and even RV forums.  You might also try an internet store like Tire Rack.  The spare tire is a real tire and wheel, identical to the other six on your PC.  It is not a temporary spare as is common with typical vehicles.  The wheels are mounted in either direction depending on whether you are mounting it on the front axle or in either position on the rear axle.
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