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1  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: News from "The Mothership" location on: June 24, 2017, 08:28:17 pm
I would imagine that some here could relate to the stories of hard work at low wages and couldn't keep up the pace for too may years, their bodies taking too hard a beating.

As for me, what strung a note was the woman who was skilled in making musical instruments, eventually watching her job go to China.  I lost my job twice to the orient, but it wasn't a manufacturing job, rather an engineering job.  The first time in 2002, my last year there, my job was partially spent training my counterpart in Taiwan.  The second time was in 2015 where projects got started in the USA, then after the "smart" work was done, the projects quickly transferred to Malaysia.  The company I had worked for, at it's peak in 1999 had 160,000 employees, most worked in the USA.  Today it has around 8000 employees, most work outside the USA.  I am grateful to have lasted as long as I did, but it was so hard to watch the many thousands of people before me loose their job.  The main hall to the cafeteria at lunchtime used to be so full of people.  At the end of my time there, you could roll a bowling ball down that hall during the lunch hour and nobody would notice.  The 300 acre campus is sold with most of the company buildings slated to be torn down.  What remains of the company at that site fills just one building today employing about 800 people of which many are from foreign countries on work visas.  I've been back there doing a little contract work helping the remaining skeleton crew.  Walking the halls, I feel like I am in Asia.

You can imagine my feelings about jobs.  I found myself politically similar to most of the people who were interviewed in that article.

Back to the subject matter.  Because of the lack of turnover at Phoenix, it sounds like they do things quite differently than at the other places the article mentions.
2  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Did you upsize from a class B? on: June 17, 2017, 10:28:36 pm
As a kid, my parents took us 4 kids around the country for the month of August for many years in their 67 Plymouth Fury pulling a little Montgomery Wards tent on wheels.  The 6 of us took up 100% of the trailer including the floor.  I envied people traveling in a Winnebago Brave.

At age 25 with our first baby in 1983, I had to have better so we bought this thing which was 6" shorter than our 1971 Delta 88.  It's officially a class C, but it was smaller than many class Bs.  Brand new it cost us $12,225.  It had no real facilities, basically cabinets, a bed, and a converta-dinette on-wheels.  We bought it without any kind of a/c.  It had a manual transmission and even manual steering.

2006 was the "Last Straw" year.  At age 48, we were on I-90 heading west to the Badlands with temps that reached 117 degrees where my wife Irene almost passed out.  The following year we owned our PC.  When shopping for it, it had to meet a few critical points I list here on top of normal stuff like both kinds of a/c and power steering as some basic examples.

1) NO COMPROMISE...It must fit in our garage like our old rig did
2) Must have a main floor bed for two adults sleeping together
3) Must have a normal dinette that could be converted into a bed as needed if having a guest.

The rest was less critical but it had to be fully self contained.  In the end we got much better than originally envisioned with our 2007 2350.  It is still a castle to us with so much more than we ever had before.

BTW: Nice post Tom.  Thanks for starting it.  I've been enjoying the replies.
Ron Dittmer
3  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: "Ultra Leather" Wall Coverings on: June 17, 2017, 07:43:33 am
Seriously, you might talk to some folks that do vintage restoration.     Patti

I agree with Patti.  But I do wonder if you could expand your search for services.    Call local companies who replace headliners, convertible tops, and limousine interiors.  You might even try companies who offer leather upgrade services for local auto dealerships.  I don't know how popular the practice is today, but years ago, many leather interiors were done locally after the car was delivered to the dealer.  One more service comes to mind are conversion van companies.

Such places will likely offer different colors, vinyls, fabrics, and leathers.  Stay away from bonded leather for that material loves to flake like you have happening today.  Top grain leather is decent and affordable.  Full grain leather is real quality but very expensive.
4  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Slide Awning Stretched on: June 16, 2017, 07:01:03 am
Hi Dave,

With our regular awning, once due to high winds I had to unroll the entire amount of material, then roll it back onto the spool to get rid of the uneven condition you describe.  Maybe that will work for you with your slide out awning.

Ron Dittmer
5  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: I feel out of place because nothing is wrong with my PC! on: June 14, 2017, 09:16:53 pm
Owning our PC ten years coming this June 26th has yielded plenty of problems.....self-inflicted ones rolling on the floor being our first real motor home.  Fortunately they have been very minor.  I cannot recall a problem related to Phoenix quality or workmanship.  If you categorize the microwave oven coming loose on a regular basis (the permanent solution implemented by me), or reinforcing the window shade string pegs, then I could say otherwise.  Considering the stories I read from other people owning other brands of motor homes, I feel blessed to have stumbled onto Phoenix at the 2007 RV show in Rosemont, IL, and then stumbled onto and ordered our PC through Don Keller of East Acres RV in Mendon, MA.

It really helps to keep our PC garage kept.  My wife Irene would say the trouble with our PC is that it is garage kept too much, and I agree with her.  Life has been so very busy for both of us.
6  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Ron's Tips For Class C /B+ Shoppers on: June 14, 2017, 06:54:48 am
I updated my post to reflect current day information, and figured it doesn't hurt to bump it up for shoppers to stumble on it easier.
7  Main Forum / Polls / Re: Please Participate ONLY If You Have Ultra Leather Damage on: June 12, 2017, 11:06:20 pm
There is a 2010 2910D on ebay with both front pleather seats looks quite sad.
8  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Side mirrors on: June 10, 2017, 07:31:58 am
Phoenix has been installing shorter mirror arms in recent years so maybe it is less of a concern, but our arms are long as seen below.

I display our PC at car shows once in a great while.  At my very first showing I stopped a child about to hang on the passenger mirror.  Needless to say I have since been folding in our mirrors whenever we are in public places.

If you park your PC where kids have access, it could be that a child hung on your mirror arm, accidentally breaking it.
9  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Converting Interior Lighting To Low Power Warm LED Lighting, Very Affordable on: June 08, 2017, 07:16:33 am
Someone recently asked me about my LED conversion so I am bumping it up to the top of Tips & Tricks to make it easier for them to find.

I had a lot of trouble finding this post myself for it doesn't show up with my other T&T posts when sorting by author.  shrug
10  Main Forum / Photos / Re: Sleeping arangements on: June 07, 2017, 10:48:48 pm
11  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Best Air Conditioner ? on: June 07, 2017, 09:10:32 am
Speaking of heat strips, we have used ours a number of times.  It works well to take the chill out of the RV on a cool or damp night.  Of coarse it's still noisy but not quite as bad as when running the a/c unit.
12  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 12v on passenger side drops out on: June 05, 2017, 07:50:42 pm
Thanks Ron, but a 2012 PC2400 Sprint layout is a whole different animal. All the wiring runs from the breaker/fuse panel in the base of the corner counter next to the door on the curb side then behind the furnace and refrigerator to the thermostat and lights. I've emailed Kermit already.
Oops, most definitely a different arrangement.  Sorry about the mix-up.  Smile
13  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 12v on passenger side drops out on: June 04, 2017, 08:00:36 pm
I agree, it is wise to call the factory.

In the mean time, it wouldn't hurt to remove the base cabinet cutting board & drawers to inspect the 12V & 110V wires running around the area.  Make sure it all looks good with no screws piercing through insulation and such.  It is one of the few areas where you can inspect the wiring on that side of the PC without tearing things apart.

Here is our base cabinet reconfigured with drawers removed.

With about the same effort, you can see some wiring in the cavity of the microwave.
14  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Best Air Conditioner ? on: June 04, 2017, 07:42:13 pm
Hi Denny and Barb,

You live in Wisconsin?  If at all possible, I would arrange to have Phoenix install the a/c unit for you.  As far as which a/c unit to consider, they should be able to offer a few choices suited for your particular PC with solar panels.  Nobody knows your PC like they do.  They will also know best how to wire things up for you.  Working with the factory could even be one of your most affordable unit + installation choices.

A few people have had a Coleman a/c unit installed in-place of the standard Dometic Duo Therm.  Maybe they have some input with regards to their satisfaction.  One thing certain about our Duo Therm.  It cools down our 2350 no-slide & thermal windows very well, but it sure is noisy.
15  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Realistic Scheduled Service on: June 04, 2017, 02:09:27 pm
Thanks Ron... You are a wealth of information and a trusted resource.
What is your opinion on AC service. I do have my generator serviced each year but wonder if I should service the AC.


You are very welcome Joe.

About your chassis a/c system.  To be honest, there isn't an official maintenance schedule.  The only thing you'll want to do is to make sure the a/c condenser in front of the radiator doesn't get full of debris like bugs and such so much that air can't pass through it adequately.

As far as the roof a/c unit is concerned, it's pretty much the same story, making sure the condenser is clean for proper cooling.  In that case, certain insects like to build nests in it preventing it from cooling properly.
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