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1  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Time For New Shocks - HD Bilsteins Or Koni-FSD...Anyone Here With Experience? on: April 21, 2018, 08:18:25 pm
Bud, Thanks for your experience with the gold Koni-FSD.  So few people have them so the input I seek is rare.  For a true comparison, I wish I could drive my rig with the Koni-FSD and then the Bilstein.  I was hoping to communicate with someone who had experience with both.

I found the Bilsteins for sale at Tire Rack for $83 each front or rear, and free shipping.  The best deal I found with the Koni-FSD is twice the price.  Being the money misers Irene and I are, and all the endorsements of the heavy duty Bilsteins along with my own endorsement for Bilsteins on my old Toyota chassis motor home, I am having a hard time to convince myself the Koni-FSD is worth an additional $300+.  If only I knew for certain that we would notice a significant improvement going FSD.  Adding that it doesn't help reading of a few people who were actually very dissatisfied with their Koni-FSDs.

I asked the same question on another forum HERE where the overwhelming majority of people had heavy duty Bilstein shocks and loved them.

Cropduster, I do plan to change the shocks myself.  It shouldn't be too hard to remove the old ones given the over-all lack of corrosion on our rig.  I do know what that left-front shock entails, but thanks for the reminder.
2  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 4way valve problem on: April 21, 2018, 10:21:33 am
Hi Barry,

I have heard of that but that has not been my personal experience in the applications I have used it in.  Not just in those two places in our PC, but I also use Vasoline at home on the "O"-ring seal on our whole house bell jar filter.  If I don't apply the Vasoline on the "O"-ring, I struggle hard to loosen the plastic bell jar when it is time to replace the cartridge.  So far so good doing that since 1988.

But everyone needs to feel right with their decision to use it or not.  If you don't feel right using Vasoline, then don't.  I am just sharing an option that works for me.

Ron Dittmer
3  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Communication Problems with Phoenix Cruiser Staff on: April 20, 2018, 10:06:45 pm
I do have to say one good thing about our color choice.  It surely hides the dirt well.  rolling on the floor
Our rig was a total mess when I took this picture, but it doesn't stand out much.  The back wall looks clean but it was horrible.
4  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Answer as to where are PC exterior wall panels made. on: April 20, 2018, 09:58:55 pm
Thanks RVCamping for all those details.  It is very interesting.

Back in 2006 when shopping for a new rig, the Carrigo was initially on my short list.  I too noticed how it's B+ front cap is the same used on PCs.  I also noticed the optional front bumper cover on our PC is also on other brands of motor homes of that time period.  But the Phoenix rear wall with integrated spare tire compartment is a Phoenix exclusive item.
5  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 4way valve problem on: April 20, 2018, 09:51:04 pm
I read long ago, a good grease for potable water valves is uncontaminated Vaseline.  It does not last forever though.  I use it on the drain valve of my fresh water tank and also the shower head water cut-off button.
6  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Your Thought on the EasyCare Vehicle Service Contract Offered by PC ? on: April 20, 2018, 09:45:39 pm
JD:  I am personally not a big supporter of extra warranties.  Just way to pricey for me.
Me too.  But if you don't know which end of a screwdriver to hold, maybe the warranty will be of value.
7  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Cab Noise When Driving Down the Road on: April 20, 2018, 09:42:30 pm
I agree with everyone's comments.

Our PC is now 11 years old with only the standard materials in the cab area.  We never give a thought about the noise level while cruising.  We find it to be just fine.  BUT when climbing and engine braking, when the engine rev's up under those conditions, Irene and I have to raise our voices to communicate with each other.  Also, a common complaint, the floor gets hot near the passenger.  SO, I would think if Phoenix has an option to increase insulation/sound deadening on the cab floor and engine housing, to consider the upgrade.
8  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Time For New Shocks - HD Bilsteins Or Koni-FSD...Anyone Here With Experience? on: April 20, 2018, 08:27:07 am
I put Bilsteins on a Born Free (E-450) that we had and Koni's on my previous PC 2351. Koni's were better IMHO.
Hi Ron,

Were the Bilsteins the heavy duty ones, or the comfort ride ones?
Were the Koni shocks the adjustable red ones, or the gold FSD shocks?
9  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Time For New Shocks - HD Bilsteins Or Koni-FSD...Anyone Here With Experience? on: April 20, 2018, 08:25:05 am
Hi Jim,

Here as well as another forum, I often read of satisfied Bilsteins shock owners.  But the Koni-FSD makes so much sense to me in how they offer a soft ride under normal driving conditions, and kick into heavy-duty mode as needed.  I would blindly buy the Koni-FSD except that they cost nearly twice that of the Bilsteins.  The best on-line deal found so far on each is on the same website HERE.

Thanks for sharing your decision.
10  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Communication Problems with Phoenix Cruiser Staff on: April 20, 2018, 08:17:02 am
Our hearts sank when we saw them.  We love that color so much.  We should have gone with our instinct.
First time I can recall recognizing that  green with envy could be more than just a colloquial expression.
rolling on the floor
11  Main Forum / General Discussion / Time For New Shocks - HD Bilsteins Or Koni-FSD...Anyone Here With Experience? on: April 19, 2018, 11:55:08 pm
I seek the opinion of people with experience with either type.

My red colored Koni-RV adjustable shocks in front are in need of replacement.  I am thinking of replacing all four, wondering if I should go with Koni-FSD shocks or the Heavy Duty Bilsteins.

Ron Dittmer
12  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Production Time Frames on: April 19, 2018, 01:48:39 pm
and the vacu-bonded wall sections.
Ron, I'm not sure that is true anymore.  I was told they used to do them in house but now have them done elsewhere.  When we were there they had a number of wall sections in stock with markings on them that indicated they were just delivered.  That is not definitive but I remember being surprised when we discussed the wall sections at the factory.  The equipment to make those seemed larger and more complicated than a shop the size of Phoenix could have.  But I could be wrong.

Interesting jatrax!

My memory is cloudy on this.  When we were last there 1.5 years ago, I thought I seen a panel laying on a huge table in a vacu-bond bag, in the curing process.  Maybe things have changed since then.  And then again, maybe I just "thought" they were making wall panels.  Maybe they were repairing or modifying a panel on-site.
13  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Communication Problems with Phoenix Cruiser Staff on: April 19, 2018, 01:32:36 pm
To those of you trying to decide on a color, do a nationwide search on all late model Phoenix Cruisers for sale, check the ads in RV Trader, RVT, Craigslist etc., and look at the colors in the ads; this will give you an idea of what to expect. Be aware that the colors will change or differ depending on the camera, lighting , and other factors, but it should help you decide what you like best.
Your advise is excellent for people deciding on a color for their PC.

Back in 2007 when we were deciding on the full-body exterior color for our PC, we really leaned heavily on the green color offered at the time.  Unfortunately the Phoenix sales brochure did not show one, nor could we find any PC on the internet in that full body green color.  While at the factory, we asked for pictures of the full body green.  The only offering was a printer copy of a copy of a photograph which was impossible to work with.  We did see a lower body green color in-person while there which did not fancy us.  So we decided on the next best color preference which was the gray as shown on the cover of the 2007 brochure.

Maybe 3 years later, nice pictures of the full body green started showing on the internet.  Our hearts sank when we saw them.  We love that color so much.  We should have gone with our instinct.

Our full body gray colored PC which we like.

A full body green colored PC which we love.

14  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Production Time Frames on: April 18, 2018, 11:05:00 pm
We ordered November 1 and picked up March 8 if that helps.  The factory line moves fairly well but they rely on outside contractors for some things.  And those shops are doing work for others as well so PC is at their mercy.

Paint shop is one and I was told it can take from 2 to 7 weeks depending on the shop's backlog.

The frame stretch is also done outside (I think)

The 4x4 is done at quigley and that can take any amount of time.  I read recently they have around 600 on the lot to do.  Not sure where your's is or if that has changed since the post I read.
jatrax has it right.  As I understand it....

1) All paintwork is done by a paint shop in Elkhart.  I don't know about decals.
2) Frame stretching and reduction is done by a company certified by Ford, also located in Elkhart.  That is all they do.
3) All 4x4 conversions are done by Quigley located in Manchester, PA.

Everything else is built in-house including frame extensions behind the rear axle, and the vacu-bonded wall sections.
15  Main Forum / Photos / Re: Protection & Convenience on: April 18, 2018, 02:36:02 pm
What brand and make is your front bumper?
I don't know the name.  I do know that the front bumper cover we paid extra for was also used by other RV manufactures.  It was not a Phoenix-Exclusive item.  I imagine Phoenix could give you the name.....maybe even sell you one if they have one lying around collecting dust.
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