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1  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: suggestions on: January 21, 2017, 09:58:09 pm
I need to sell my 2012  2551 with only 27K miles. Any recommendations on where to best advertise.
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I personally use when selling my nitch-market cars so if I were to sell our PC, I would try it's sister, Craigslist, and this forum.  It has a "for sale section".  Work with Aimee the moderator to get it posted.
2  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2351 Corner Bed Opening Windows on: January 21, 2017, 09:51:39 pm
I also put a dowel to hold window open  am working on a system of attaching magnets to window frame and using the sun screen for mosquitos I plan to put a mama net on top of screen  so far it has worked.
Has anyone who props open the escape window, considered replacing that window with another one that opens up adequately?  Maybe Phoenix offers a direct replacement.
3  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Battery Disconnect/Selector Switch on: January 19, 2017, 09:40:34 pm
FYI---But it may not be "new" news for some.   I had emailed PC about the use of a battery disconnect switch.  Earl
answered the question....poor guy is doing double duty I guess.  At any rate his answer was "they do now"!  Starting with the 2017's
All will have a new manual battery disconnect switch?  I guess all the discussions about Parasitic draws with the older models have created change. 
4  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2351 Corner Bed Opening Windows on: January 19, 2017, 04:17:45 pm
Well, the window by the bed is a problem for us with our rig.  All the windows are something less than we would desire.   We like windows that open much wider.  On our previous rig, we had twin beds in the back across the van camper (Roadtrek 210) with really nice sized windows on each wall and loved to open them full blast and enjoy the sounds out in the woods and the amount of air circulation.  

The windows not opening further are, in my opinion, probably the biggest complaint we would have for our PC.   I think I will pursue some mod for the escape window.  I didn't know it could be opened the length stated for the stick without causes problems.  If you only opened it four or five inches it would quadruple the air flow.   Another project for spring!

Interesting input Paul.  It sounds like if you could do it second time, you would request slider-windows instead.  Our sliders open 40-45%, not quite 50%.

Out of curiosity, I once opened our slider escape window as if to escape.  I immediately realized the importance to make sure the foam gasket was seated properly during the closing process.  If not being very careful, that gasket would have folded over itself in a bad way, maybe to cause an air or water leak.

Maybe the current day design is more forgiving.
5  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Battery Disconnect/Selector Switch on: January 19, 2017, 12:38:37 pm
So just to clarify, there is no regular Battery disconnect switch that turns off the coach 12V systems on PC's?
Yes there is.  On our 2350 and is common with most PCs, the switch is located next to the entry door, mounted on the side of the sink base cabinet.  I believe that kill-all switch activates the solenoid pictured earlier.  But with everything killed, there is still a parasitic battery drain.  That is why people discuss disconnecting the batteries to assure there is no drain at all.
6  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2351 Corner Bed Opening Windows on: January 19, 2017, 11:08:21 am
Since we are talking "windows".....
We appreciate our thermal panes.  No broken seals yet (no fogging glass) and its been near 10 years.  They are nice for a more quiet sleep in noisy places like rest areas and Walmarts of which we often utilize.  They also are warm in high altitude camping when the temp drops below 50.  Our rear corner bed has lots of glass so having them thermal is quite beneficial.  I suppose you could request to have just the bedroom glass thermal, though not sure if it's worth it.  In our 2350, it just might benefit since we can close the bedroom off from the rest of the cabin with that pleated curtain to help retain bedroom heat.
7  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2351 Corner Bed Opening Windows on: January 18, 2017, 10:59:52 pm
If ordering a new PC, you can request the factory install the type of window you want there.  If buying a used PC, make sure what you want will fit in the opening before buying it.

We have the old style sliding windows in our 2350.  They are real good for flow-thru ventilation, but easily broken into if left unlocked.  The current-day top-hung windows don't allow for nearly as much air on their own, but turn on the Fantastic fan to the lowest setting, and you get a lot of air.  The top-hung windows are much better for rain protection when open and you can't crawl through them either.  They also are better for exceptionally windy days to control the gusts better.  Also when open, they don't allow direct sunlight in on warmer days, so the interior stays a little cooler.

With our old sliders, we have a pull-down awning on the driver side dinette window to protect it when open while raining.  On the passenger side we can open the main awning a foot or more to protect our open slider windows on that side, so we have a way to work our sliders just fine.  But I personally prefer the current-day top-hung windows for the reasons I mentioned.  Oh, they just look nicer too.

I do understand your concern.  I have to admit, it is nice to sleep with our slider wide open when the conditions are right.  It can feel as though we are sleeping outside.
8  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Battery Disconnect/Selector Switch on: January 18, 2017, 12:44:57 pm
Yes I did have a fire with our first motor home HERE.  It was under the hood of our little Toyota chassis.  The solenoid that switched between batteries failed, burned up and smoked, leaving behind black soot on the inside fender wall it was mounted to and on the hood above it, fortunately with no paint damage.  It did melt the wire harness jacket below it but did not damage the wires inside.  I got very lucky with that catastrophic failure.

On our PC, we have a similar looking device mounted near our fuse panel in the house, I think under the fridge.  It is the thing that makes the loud "Click" when turning the main house power on/off, along with that loud chirp from the propane detector.

I suppose there is a threat of a similar failure, but I never gave it a serious thought.

The solenoid thingy looks something like this.

On the Toyota RV, I replaced it with a battery isolator that looked like this.

Circled in red, you can see where the original solenoid was with the two mounting screw holes caulked, and the wire harness below it, and also the replacement blue isolator.  If you look close, you can see the black wire harness jacket is deformed/melted.

I have no plan to change the solenoid on our PC.....not yet anyway.  I am not even sure if the one in our PC is used in the same manner as our old Toyota chassis rig.
9  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Used Phoenix Cruisers on: January 18, 2017, 12:18:13 am
From all I read over the years on this forum, only one time I read an owner having an issue with one of the 2011-2015 2551/2552 models.  He had water leaking inside near the entry door.  It turned out to be problem with a wire pass-thru grommet related to powering up the electric awning.  Then again, maybe the problem was with his 2016 model year.

I would say your selection is a "very good wine".
10  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: we just ordered our new Phoenix Cruiser on: January 17, 2017, 10:12:12 am
Congratulations from me too.  Cheers
11  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Just Made My Deposit On a New 2910T!!! on: January 17, 2017, 10:11:00 am
Again, congratulations.

I am curious Dan.  Will your PC come with a round spare tire cover & tire, or that new squared-off rear storage compartment?

From what I have gathered, I think you will require 80psi in the 4 rear tires.  I would inquire about Tire Pressure Sensors to monitor it, making sure 80 psi is maintained.  The 2910T with three slideouts is the heaviest of PCs and so tire pressure is critical.  It is most wise to monitor tire pressure, and TPS seems ideal for the task.

12  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Battery Disconnect/Selector Switch on: January 17, 2017, 10:00:41 am
Our PC is coming up on it's 10th birthday this spring so maybe this does not apply to a brand new PC.  But the parasitic drain on our PC is very minimal that when using the PC there is nothing to worry about.  It is when our PC sits for extended periods without getting used, I need to be watchful.  During those times, I disconnect the chassis battery and once every other month I charge the house batteries with a secondary charger.  Keep in-mind that our PC is in our garage where it is easy to charge that way.  If our PC was stored outside off-site, I would disconnect all the batteries.

I keep the house batteries connected because I find myself inside often enough that it's nice to be able to turn on the lights.  Otherwise I'd disconnect the house batteries at home as well.
13  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: euro chairs on: January 17, 2017, 09:49:10 am
Hi Candy,

Please understand this.  Unlike swivel/reclining captain seats, you cannot sit in the euro seats when the vehicle is moving.  Captain seats are permanently bolted down and have DOT-approved seat belts.  Euro chairs are anchored down with a removable clamp and do not have seat belts, so nobody should sit in them when the vehicle is being driven.

We do not have a euro chair so I don't know what I am missing, so please consider it with my next point.  I hope it draws opinions from other PC owners.  If you don't get a slideout, get the captain seats for they stay-put and offer more floor space, a plus with the limited floor space.  If you get a slideout and don't need to transport people in those seats, get the euro chairs.  Would the rest of the PC community agree, or is my point invalid?

Ron Dittmer
14  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Determining the value of a used RV..... on: January 13, 2017, 04:44:48 pm
For kicks, I input our 2007 2350 on NADA-RV.

The stated original MSRP of ~$79,000 is $9,000 less than the documented MSRP of our PC, so that figure is off by a lot.
Low Retail: $32,700
Average Retail: $39,400

I would hope that our PC would be worth more than average retail given it's preservation with indoor heated storage.  It still looks new.  Strange as it may sound but it even smells new inside.  When I take it to our church car show on Father's Day weekend, many people think it is brand new.  Obviously they are not familiar with the change in body style Ford made in 2008.

Our PC might be worth ~$50,000 but who would ever pay that much for a 10 year old Phoenix Cruiser without a slide out?  Good thing our plan is to keep it till our driver's licenses are taken from us.  At age 58, I hope that won't be for another 28-30 years.

One thing certain, if it got totaled or stolen, we'd get so little from an insurance claim.
15  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Brake Replacement on: January 12, 2017, 11:39:33 pm
Interesting subject matter....brakes.  I do a lot of brake work where I volunteer but have never worked on any E-series or Sprinters, vans, motor homes, box trucks....none of them.

Brakes are their own animal with regards to when they need work.  Understandably brake work on an E350, E450, and Sprinter motor home is very expensive, and unfortunately is a common need.  Because so many motor homes sit around so long without getting driven, the rotors get rusted real bad from outdoor moisture which then compromises brake performance and reduces the life of the brake pads.  Fortunately you can visually inspect the front and rear rotors just by looking at the inside face of each rotor from underneath the motor home.  If they are rusted to the point that there are small pin holes in the rotors, you should plan on getting a brake job.  If the rust is more like a thin film and is removed after driving a few miles with some brake use, that is normal and you would be good to go.  If the rig you are considering, has shinny smooth-looking rotors, then the question thick are your brake pads.  A mechanic would need to inspect that one.

Because some motor homes like ours see mostly highway driving, the brakes will be on the later side of the replacement schedule.  I will eventually find out what that schedule is.  With around 34K I figure I have some miles to go.  Our PC brakes just don't get much use because our tow vehicle does so much of the touring where braking is more abundant.  Also consider that our PC is kept indoors when not getting used so the rotors don't see a lot of moisture, hence no rust problem.

I quickly searched the web and found some examples on what to look for with regards to rusted rotors.

Here is what you hope to see.  This rotor is in good "visual" condition.

Here is a bad rotor.  Note the pin holes and rough surface.

I share this with you only to provide the obvious for you.  Don't be doing your own brake inspections based on this reply.  Be sure to get them inspected by a professional.  But this simple visual exercise would give you a rough idea what you could be in for.

The E350 & E450 prior to 2008 (2007 and older) you should also get a separate quote to include two grease seals (one per front wheel) and repack the front wheel bearings.  I believe starting in 2008, the front wheel hubs are not serviceable.  Regardless of model year, I believe the rear wheel bearings are not generally serviced.  But again reinforcing that I have not yet worked on any E-Series van or other.  One more quote you will want to get is having the brake system flushed where 100% of the brake fluid in the system is replaced.

The cost of brake work ranges a lot.  I advise to call around.  With a motor home you won't have many shops to choose from.  Ask for separate quotes for front and rear axles for they will have different prices.  Cutting the rotors (resurfacing them smooth) seems to be a dying practice, but maybe you'll get lucky and find someone who still does that on truck rotors.  They will need to meet a minimum thickness after the rust and pin holes are lathe-cut away which typically they are too thin afterward.

I cut normal vehicle rotors & drums myself as I have my own brake lathe (a gift from my next door neighbor who closed his auto shop and retired).  I wonder if my E350 rotors would even fit on it.

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