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1  Main Forum / General Discussion / About Dinettes, Why A Dinette Is Bigger When Not In A Slideout on: August 25, 2016, 10:02:24 am
I get a question now and then about this subject so I am posting this in response.

This is for people considering buying a Phoenix Cruiser with a dinette, whether a used one or ordering a brand new one.

If the dinette is in a slide-out, the two bench seats get closer together which offers less leg room.  The table will also be smaller.  This condition is more severe with older PCs up to around year 2009.

When the dinette is not in a slide-out, it gets bigger by utilizing the angled transition wall between the van and house.  This places the front dinette bench much closer to the front driver or passenger seat.  The distance between benches is further increased because there is no slide-out wall on the opposing side.  That moves the rear bench further toward the back of the rig.  Both front and rear gains, increase the distance between benches to provide more leg room, a larger table, sometimes larger bench seats (or taller backrests), and also makes a longer bed.  The close proximity to the front driver or passenger seat does not affect front seat adjustment.  However it limits reclining travel which is still comfortable as shown in the last picture.

The dinette in a 2351 and a 2552 slide-out is less an issue because the slide-out used in those two models are larger.  One PC owner with a dinette inside a 2552 slide-out, told me when converted into a bed, his measures 65" long x 36" wide.

If you want the biggest dinette with the most leg room, biggest table, and longest conversion bed, then you need to get the dinette in a 2351 or a 2552 without a slide-out.

For reference, here is our 2007 2350 dinette with no slide-out (with original cloth Sagemint Green seat cushions).  A new 2016 2350 no-slide-out dinette will be the same size.  When setup as a bed, it measures 71" long x 36" wide.  The distance between benches (the legroom) is 29.5", with the table measuring about the same.

Note in this picture how the transition wall area is utilized which cuts the corner of the base cushion, and also reduces the backrest.  Strange but true, when we seat 4 people, the person sitting in that position can hardly notice a difference.  When setup as a bed, we place the odd backrest cushion on the side opposite the pillow which is not noticed when sleeping.

This is our driver seat.  It is adjusted all the way back on the track.
Note the limited but not concerning reclined position and the ability to recline it a little more.

2  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: PC2100 & levelers on: August 23, 2016, 05:57:33 pm
Ron, should I even ask why the solo ladies would need them more than solo men?  Best we not go there.  Wink comment.   Smile
3  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Ford Transit RV? on: August 23, 2016, 11:44:39 am
And an "AMEN" to that ragoodsp.  I cannot dispute your points, especially about the limitations already on the current 2016 E450 chassis.  It's been edged by the RV industry to it's weight limit for it's entire life span of over 16 years.

I personally feel an F-series is a nice platform for conventional C applications.  Overhang a nice big bed over the hood......a seamless bucket design like Born Free offers.

But one really big show-stopper to many prospective buyers will be the difficulty getting in and out from the driver and passenger seats.  It's no van which offers easy access from inside the house.  We had a little Toyota C&C which was a mini pickup truck.  Going to a van in the PC was a huge improvement for us.  An F-Series is so much bigger than a Toyota, but still with similar challenges with accessibility from the house.
4  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: PC2100 & levelers on: August 23, 2016, 11:29:08 am
It makes sense to have the fancy levelers for anyone traveling solo.....especially nice for the ladies traveling solo.  Another consideration is that the 4 bags of Lynx blocks & wheel chucks & top caps we carry, do take up storage space.  It's not a problem in our 2350, but could be difficult in other models where storage is limited.  The 2100 does lack storage.  I see some 2100 owners (primarily couples) have resorted to a hitch-mounted storage unit hanging off the back of the motor home which makes it as long as a 2350.  Storing 4 bags of Lynx blocks in a 2100, it might be better to get the fancy levelers.
5  Main Forum / Adventure Anywhere / Re: Phoenix Cruiser as a Party Mobile on: August 22, 2016, 10:12:08 pm
Oh yes, I remember the days when we used our old motor home as a party mobile for kids birthday parties and even a few times as a limousine for our kids & friends to high school dances.  They loved it.
6  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: PC2100 & levelers on: August 22, 2016, 10:01:00 pm
My experience with our old tiny 17 foot long motor home HERE, which had no levelers and we never carried anything to level it.  Admittedly there was no fridge, but we did sleep in it so we did get it level enough by just working with the highs & lows in the camp site parking pad.

With our 2007 2350 with no levelers, we try to do the same, most often never needing to pull out the Lynx-Leveler blocks.  We ordered our 2350 new in 2007.  The approach I had in 2007 was that I could add levelers anytime.  After-all, PC takes the completed rig to the leveler outfitter.  Then so can I.  9 years later and we still don't have levelers.  Admittedly it would be nice, but hard to justify the cost and the significant added weight which I understand is around 400 pounds.  Can anyone confirm that figure?  And it seems the fancy levelers are sometimes finicky for the people who have them.
7  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Ford Transit RV? on: August 22, 2016, 10:58:15 am
Wow, I can't imagine a PC built on an F-Series, but I am surely no marketing guru.  Given PC's history of "All The Big Rig Features In A Small Yet Still Practical Package" strategy, it seems a long-hood F-series would be in conflict.  I also feel the F-Series market is not big enough for Phoenix to offer it.  With the motor home industry in general going through B+/C size reductions, I understand why the Transit is being considered.  I suppose if Ford drops the E-Series, the F-Series may be considered for models exceeding the limits of the Transit & Sprinter.
8  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: NatGeo USGS Topographic Maps on: August 22, 2016, 10:28:36 am
Thanks for sharing that.  My mountain-man brother will be especially interested.  Maybe my wife & me too, but not to his level.
9  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Optional Window Awnings on: August 21, 2016, 07:57:20 pm
We have the driver side dinette window shade, the one window most common in the 2100 to 2552 slide out with couch.  It is shown here in the stored position.

I like it a lot.  I wished we had also gotten the matching one for the bathroom on the same side for heat & privacy.  Because our windows are the older slide-sideways design, the shades naturally offer needed rain protection.  As others mentioned, the drawbacks are that they block the view and darken the interior.  But that is no issue in the bathroom with a skylight.  I don't know how new shades are today, but the strap on our 9 year old shade has multiple hoops on it to adjust to some degree, how low it goes.  The difference between the least to the most is not much, but is something.

For the passenger side as shown, when needed I open our older design box awning a little to supply shade on that side of the rig, without the full awning setup.  How much is limited to the natural sag before interfering with the entry door.  It offers fast easy shade and rain protection.  Unlike most of you today with your luxury motorized awnings, opening our older box awning further does get more involved when the poles need to come out.

10  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: mercerator pump on: August 20, 2016, 09:56:29 pm
Oh yes!  Been there, done that with the pump running backwards when replacing my failed Sanicon pump with a Seaflo brand.  My story with all the details about it are HERE.  The wires coming off the macerator do not color-match the ones from the motor home.  I thought, black-to-black and color-to-color is the way it works so I initially wired it up that way.  I quickly learned during my testing that the pump ran backwards.
11  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Ford Transit RV? on: August 19, 2016, 09:33:27 am
Kermit's creativity is never resting, and good to hear he is considering a Transit PC.  Given the Transit weight limitations is a little less than the Sprinter, I anticipate if one is offered,  it would either replace the Sprinter or be another choice for models 2350 & 2400, just as the Sprinter.

When I was at the Chicago auto show this past year, I got a good look at a Transit cut-away chassis which happened to be a utility truck conversion.  The one thing that stood out most for me was when getting into and out from the Transit driver seat.  It felt like getting into and out of a mini-van.  You don't climb up into it like the Sprinter and E350/E450.  I would think a lot of older folks would appreciate that.  I also wonder if the Transit roof is a lot lower because of it.  If so, that would make for a very tall B+ cap for some interesting interior creativity.  If the cap is tall enough and overhangs forward, it could theoretically be sleeping quarters similar to what Born Free offers.....great for the grand kids and also bulb.

For the curious, here are a few of the Sprinter & Transit pictures I took at the Chicago auto show.

2016 Sprinter cut-away chassis

2016 Sprinter Specs


2016 Tranist cut-away chassis (with utility unit installed on it's back)

2016 Transit Specs.  The sign says GVWR 9,950, but the 2017 website HERE says 10,360.  That is 670 pounds less than a Sprinter which is about the weight of a PC slide out.
12  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Full Body Paint Pictures on: August 19, 2016, 12:14:37 am

If you are trying to hide road grime with a particular paint color, I can attest that the full body gray we have hides the dirt too well.

However, I love your color choice anyway for it looks awfully good.


Here is ours cleaned up.

Here is the dirtiest we ever had it.  You can see how general road grime is a similar color.  The back wall was very dirty from driving wind turbulence but is not even noticed in the shade.
13  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Closing front curtains on: August 19, 2016, 12:06:52 am
Update:  Since the curtains were, evidently, defective from the start, Phoenix will be replacing them, free of charge.  Now, how's that for customer service? !!!

Thanks, everyone, for the help!
Taken from your profile.......
So you bought a used 2013 last year which is now 4 model years old, and Phoenix is replacing the front curtains for you for free because they were defective from Day-One which the previous owner never let Phoenix know about.

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14  Main Forum / Photos / Re: Dalton Hwy on: August 17, 2016, 11:02:09 pm
I just stumbled on your thread tonight.  It sounds like an exciting trip with a once-&-done approach to it.  I wonder how many pounds of mud accumulated on your rig, especially underneath.  Maybe the extra weight exceeded your load rating, haha.

Thank you for sharing.
15  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Closing front curtains on: August 16, 2016, 11:31:27 pm
I should mention that we also utilize those simple pop-open sun shades, made specifically for the E-series windshield.  They keep the heat out so much better and also provide decent privacy given how well they fit the windshield.  As of late, we've been utilizing the PC curtains for just the sides.

We had bought E-series pop-open sunshades at Walmart in their RV section of the automotive department.  Ours are about 6 years old now, in need of new ones, now having trouble finding the same exact ones with that great fit.
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