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1  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: vibration in driveline on: July 29, 2014, 12:39:01 pm
What models of Cruisers have the 3rd shaft. Is this just a problem of the 2900 and 3100 series or does it also effect the shorter units?
All Ford E350/E450 Phoenix Cruisers with a 138", 158", or 176" wheel base would get an unmodified Ford chassis.  I recall the 2400 model starts with a 176" stock Ford wheel base and actually gets shortened.

I quickly gathered what data I had on-hand, unknown to me which ones get a 3rd drive shaft.  It seems the 29** models would have three for the distance from the trans to the rear differential is getting way out there.  I wonder how the chassis industry handles other large trucks, school buses and all.

Model - Wheel Base
2100 - 138"   (unmodified)
2350 - 158"   (unmodified)
2400 - 164"
2551 - 194"
2552 - 194"
2700 - 192"
2900 - 208"
2910 - 218"
2950 - 208"
3100 - 218"

Back in 2007 when selecting a 2350, I learned that meant getting an unmodified chassis of which I felt some comfort in knowing that.  But honestly it would not have been a deal breaker one bit if it require a wheel base adjustment.
2  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: vibration in driveline on: July 28, 2014, 05:16:21 pm
Is the "drive shaft balance" problem seen  only on Ford frames that have been modified longer and shorter?  Or is the problem also seen on the stock 158" and 176" wheel base chassis.  If it's only noticed on stretched frames, then I would assume something goes wrong during that process.  I think the drive shafts are changed out, so it could be bad drive shafts.  I wonder if Ford supplies them, or maybe supplied by another company who does not have the same quality control as Ford.

For reference, here are the spec's (last revised Oct. 2003) on modifying the E350/E450 wheel base.  https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas/non-html/Q18.pdf

ADDING:
On page 16, it states as follows which indicates the drive shaft is modified, not replaced.  Whoever is doing that isn't always getting it right.  I wonder what is stated under Bulletin Q-40.  I wonder if you could take the driveshaft in to a specialty shop and have it made right, or replaced with a "right" one.  I understand that drive shafts come off easy.  Tow truck drivers do it right in the middle of the street when they have to.

Driveline System Reassembly
DRIVESHAFT REQUIREMENTS
--- Proper driveshaft modification is necessary to maintain vehicle safety, reliability, and customer
satisfaction.
--- Driveshaft usage is determined based on the vehicles maximum speed, driveshaft length,
driveshaft diameter, and axle ratio.
--- For driveshaft modification, refer to Bulletin Q-14, Guidelines for Modifying Light Truck Drivelines
and Q-40, Econoline Driveline Angles.
3  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Ford 350/450 shifting advice on: July 17, 2014, 08:01:44 am
With our 2007 E350-V10 & current day Torqshift transmission, towing our 4200 pound Jeep Liberty, I have yet to be worried over the drivetrain except when engine braking.  The RPMs can sometimes get very close to red-line.  At my second oil change I switched to full synthetic oil in hopes to provide a little extra edge to my concerns.

Whether engine braking or climbing, the Triton series engine, V10 or V8, is designed to rev very high compared to the GM engines.  As a result, the engines can get loud which can make you feel you are over-stressing something.  But in reality, all is well.

I personally love the tow haul mode.  I called Ford twice over the years, asking if Tow-Haul could be reprogramed to be "On" by default, but I get the same disappointing answer.

As Barry said, try not to loose momentum when driving in the mountains.  When you do, just take it slow (or slower) in a lower gear.  You want the rig to rev high with the least amount of throttle.  Once in a great while you will simply find yourself at very high RPMs in a very low gear, going very slow.  As uncomfortable as it might feel, the drivetrain is designed to work just like that.  As always, give consideration to the other drivers around you.

In answer to your Tow-Haul mode question... It changes the shift points under both conditions, accelerating and decelerating.
4  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2100 - No slide - Question on: July 15, 2014, 11:02:28 pm
I too enjoyed racephoto's (Gail's) pics along with her creative ideas.  I love her little rig.  

I did find it interesting that the 2350 weighs only 305 pounds more than a 2100, neither having a slide out.  That comes to 122 pounds per linear foot.  I realize it is not linear, but still interesting.  I wonder how the 2450 compares.  I had assumed it would be better on an E450 chassis, but now think the E350 would do it best as PC-USA is supplying.  I think the 2450 wheel base is that of a 2551 which would place more weight forward where most extra chassis capacity resides.  The 2450 would have a much better balance load, maybe preventing rear sag.  The stock 2100 and the 2350 both have a bit of a rear end sag to them when all loaded up, ours included.  I've always thought we could benefit from rear air bags to bring up the rear by a couple inches.  But I really don't have issues with it a tad low in back.  It does clear the garage door without a worry right now.  With air bags, I'd have to remember to let the air out before driving in.  It's a tight fit already.

Gail, Your 2100 does not appear to have the common sag.  Do you have air bags in back?
5  Main Forum / Photos / Re: 2450 non-slide on: July 14, 2014, 01:15:45 pm
I see the factory did the 3 drawer galley that I originated here: http://www.phoenixusarv.com/community/index.php/topic,1751.0.html
I wonder if you are pioneering it for them because I will tell you right now that their method for holding your drawers shut will NOT, and I mean ABSOLUTELTY NOT keep the drawers closed.  When conditions are right, they will pop open and smash through the built-in drawer glide stops and end up on the floor.  I tried a number of experiments from those roller closures you mentioned, to a very strong 5 double magnet per drawer method.  Nothing short of a true latch will keep the drawers closed when conditions are worst.  I thought I had it licked with 5 double magnets per drawer, until we were well into our trip in Glacier NP, taking a jolting hair-pin turn to the right.  The extreme jolt and centrifugal force opened the drawers fast as bullets and they all ended up on the floor.  The first time it happened, only the top drawer opened and held.  The second time in another location, all 3 drawers ended up on the floor with the drawer glides broken.  We finished the trip with dinette cushions wedged in place to prevent it again.  What a big pain.  Fortunately we were doing that only the last week of our 4 week trip.

I advise you do this, a very cheap and simple non-intrusive insurance policy.

Buy child safety latches for those three drawers, the kind that allow you to open the drawer a couple inches for you to push the latch aside to open the drawer to it's fullest.  Even if you don't install them, have them in a tool box in the rig so you could install them during a trip.  Hopefully when it happens the first time (and it will happen) your built-in glide stops won't break on you, avoiding ball bearings all over the floor.

Maybe our problem was putting to much heavy stuff as seen in that post of mine, but that was our goal to begin with, placing all kitchen things in the kitchen.

I see in your picture, the factory was able to place that heater vent inside the kick board below the bottom drawer.  That is great.  Hopefully they will apply that to all galley cabinets in the future.

Ron
6  Main Forum / Photos / Re: 2450 non-slide on: July 14, 2014, 12:50:37 pm
2 Words....I'm Jealous!
7  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: new LED lights on: July 14, 2014, 12:32:06 pm
I started that thread with a question on simply changing florescent to LED bulbs.  It seems the best method for me personally is to change out the fixtures.  But I did not yet make up my mind.  There is substantial cost to either method whether modifying the fixtures or changing them.

Here is the thread:  http://www.phoenixusarv.com/community/index.php/topic,1789.0.html
8  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2350 Outside Storage on: July 14, 2014, 09:35:07 am
My reply is for those considering special ordering a new 2350 or 2450.

Our older 2007 2350 without a slide out seems to offer much more outdoor storage than any current-day 2350 with or without a slide out.  Our under-bed outdoor storage (shown below) is quite large.  I think both my wife and myself can fit inside it together.  We should try that and have our son take a picture.  LOL   We did have our subwoofer mounted under the front dinette bench which helped.  The subwoofer is typically mounted under the bed for consistency with units that don't have a dinette.

Design changes since 2007, improved the handling of the rig and later accommodating the fridge in the slide out.  But they came at the sacrifice to outdoor storage detailed here.
- furnace with ductwork moved from under fridge to under bed
- fresh water tank was over rear bumper, turned 90 degrees and moved forward (our tank is behind the left dark wood wall in the pic)
- step-down area of storage compartment changed to a drawer

I believe the furnace had to be relocated out from under the fridge because the bathroom and main-room ductwork we have could not move as the fridge moved with the slide out.  Having the fresh water tank turned 90 degrees made the outdoor storage compartment very shallow.  Relocating the furnace with ductwork under the bed, lost more outdoor storage yet.

I wonder if one could custom order a new 2350 today without a slide out but with the setup of a 2007.  If I reordered our rig today, I would request that.  Actually I would request that in a 2450 along with the larger bed to have even more outdoor storage.  I would also request my 3-drawer galley as Carol has done with her 2450.

I am just sharing ideas for people like myself with uncommon thinking of a no-slide preference.  I am not trying to be a critic at all here, so  please don't take it that way.

9  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: TOWING- cargo trailer on: July 13, 2014, 10:17:09 pm
Our first tow vehicle weighed only 2100 pounds.  I never did set it up with tow brakes.  Admittedly I considered it a borderline situation.  Our current tow vehicle weighs twice that but with the tow brakes we have, instead of taking longer to stop, it is actually shorter.

So if your little U-Haul without brakes weighs under 2100 pounds, I'd say you'll do okay.  Just drive accordingly.
10  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: HWH Levelers on: July 11, 2014, 05:08:18 pm
We never have a problem with our antenna because we NEVER USE IT.     .....wishing we left it at the factory.
11  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Hand-Held Bug Zapper, Fun & Effective on: July 11, 2014, 07:45:23 am
On sale at Aldi for $5.


The Aldi bug zapper operates off two AA batteries and activates with a button that you must hold in to power up.  Surprising it works effectively.  It cannot handle a swarm of larger bugs, and large bugs tend to take time to zap away.  They get stuck and you have to tap the racket to clear them or they will prevent an effective "zap" for the next pest.

My wife went outside after dark to water some plants on the front porch and I went out with her.  Just moving the zapper around her lower body, it killed a minimum of 10 mosquitoes in around 5 seconds.

It's a good feeling to get even for mosquitoes are real hard on my girl.  I bought a second zapper for our PC.
12  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Power step on: July 10, 2014, 12:22:25 pm
Ron, Instead of regular WD40 you might want to try WD40 Silicone spray on parts you want to lube but don't want the oily on the outside. Dirt and sand will stick to regular WD40 but not to the Silicone spray.
Oh Yes!!!  Good Advise.
13  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Power step on: July 10, 2014, 08:57:37 am
If that switch is completely exposed underneath the rig, it might be collecting a lot of road dust & dirt of which could cause it from working consistently.  Once back home, remove and inspect.  If it isn't corroded/rusted, I would just clean it good with an old tooth brush and dish water, not lube it for concern it will collect dirt much more quickly.  If rusty, soak it with a CLR type of product, rinse, dry, (maybe clean with old tooth brush too) and douse with WD-40 to protect it from rusting again.  But then plan on cleaning it much more often.

Glad to read keelhauler's solution got GoPhoenix problem resolved.  This is a great forum.  A "Helpful" from me to kh.
14  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2100 - No slide - Question on: July 09, 2014, 05:57:48 pm
Sorry I did not mean anything bad or going without the DW. I just figured you were dreaming about how easy it would be to if you had a really small rig.
If I was traveling alone, which I hope never happens, I would own a 22 foot class B sprinter that looked like a passenger van, not a camper.
All is well Tom....really really well.  I figured you must have meant something else.  Forums are occasionally risky concerning interpretation.

You did read me right....."dreaming about how easy it would be to if you had a really small rig".
15  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2100 - No slide - Question on: July 09, 2014, 03:50:46 pm
"I have a dream". Good for you Ron.
        Hug
Whoa there Tom,

My dream is to travel in our 2350 with my girl Irene.  I was just saying......"IF" doing life solo.....
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