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16  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Water heater woes on: August 07, 2017, 05:01:13 pm
I fear you just might be replacing a perfectly good hot water heater.  And if you think "New Is Better", you may be wrong.  I heard the old ones are better than the new ones if made in China.

If you are comfortable doing so, I would try this.

Assuming water got into something it should not have, light the water heater manually using an extended reach lighter, the $1 ones used to start your gas stove.  One person holds the LIGHTED lighter in the tube while the other person starts it up inside.  If any gas is getting through, it will ignite.  Then once it's fired up, it should dry out for you.

As always, make sure your hot water tank is full of water before lighting it.  And as always use common sense.  Safety first.  If you smell gas, don't light up that $1 lighter.  That is why you want it lit in the tube as you start it up inside.  You want to light it before gas builds up.  Apply the same rules you use when lighting your propane stove inside.....Lighter-Flame-On, then turn on the gas.
17  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Diamond Shield on: August 06, 2017, 07:59:55 pm
Nancy or Jake,

You make a great point.  How many Diamond Shield protected PCs are doing well with the product?  What would PCs look like without it?  Ours is looking mighty fine.  Wink
18  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2017 2910T - Awning Problem/Question on: August 04, 2017, 02:08:32 pm
Bob at PC put a foam block somewhere in the support channel to not allow the awning to close so tightly and did help for a few uses but we're back to pushing it out.  Price we pay for curved sidewalls and not so boxy look.
Interesting remedy, even if only for a few times.  I wonder if the manufacture of the awning offers a spring or something as a permanent solution.  It seems worth a call to ask.
19  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2017 2910T - Awning Problem/Question on: August 04, 2017, 12:00:10 pm

Phoenix used to install the manual crank-open box awning until around 2009, maybe 2010.  We have the box awning of which is still offered on other motor homes and travel trailers today.  It is used most often on entry level rigs because of it's affordability.  Our box awning doesn't compare to the ease of opening and closing of the current-day motorized one, especially considering the hassle we deal with messing with our self-storing swing-arm-poles.  But it is clean when stored-away.  We have no vertical tracks, just the awning above in a stylish box.  The long crank handle is stored in the entry door jamb, clipped into place.  I cannot say our box awning is better or worse.  Each awning has it's pros and cons......much the same argument in having a slide out or not.

Here is our box awning.

We often open it a foot or so without the poles without a fuss to offer rain protection and some sun-shade across the passenger side windows and door.  There is a limit as to how far it open without poles because the more you open it, the lower it sags to the point of interfering with the swing of the entry door.
20  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Keeping the coach battery charged with shore power on: August 03, 2017, 07:54:15 am
10 years ago when we brought our PC home from the factory, I assumed it was wise to plug in when at home since our PC was driven so infrequently.  All that did was create a mess with 12 volt house battery acid boil-overs.  After a few years of that, I have not been plugging in at home, instead maintaining our batteries manually with a separate charger.  I used to hook up the external charger every month but had gotten undisciplined and learned that every 3 to 4 months works great for both the house and chassis batteries.  "BUT" I do disconnect the chassis battery when at home anticipating a long time before starting the engine.   The chassis battery will go dead if left hooked up and unattended for some weeks.  The same used to happen with our house batteries, but since switching to AGM 6 volt house batteries, they drain at such a slow rate that I'd rather keep them hooked up for when I go inside on occasion.  3 to 4 months hooked up and unattended, they measure 12.3 volts with the power on and many interior lights on.  A slow-rate 4 amp step-down charge and they are back to a full charge in just a few hours.

Of coarse I always hit the main battery kill-all switch by the door while in storage.

It's what I have learned is best for our PC batteries because we so infrequently drive our PC.
21  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Wood at refrigerator splitting. Anyone else have this problem? on: August 02, 2017, 11:16:01 pm
Could you post a few very crisp clear pictures of the splitting wood?
22  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2551 or 2552...Thoughts? on: July 29, 2017, 11:10:37 am

Those Andersen Roll-on/off there enough clearance?  Our tail pipe is right behind our right-rear wheel.  Then add the mudflaps and metal supports for them and I can't see how these will work without getting tangled up in something.  Please share how they clear your PC-related obstacles.

They sure seem extremely easy to use.  I would buy a set but fear I will damage our PC with them.
There is no clearance issues at all.  As you approach the Andersons either backing or going forward, as the tire rolls on the small tapered end, the PC begins to lift.  The taller end never extends any higher than the lower third of the tire.  There is no way to damage the PC except if you don't put one under each of the rear duallys. For rougher sites where the Andersons aren't as effective, we have both a set of Lynx Levelers as well as these  We carry the Lynx and Andersons in a tote bag that sits near the PC door while traveling.  When we arrive, of course all the levelers are first things off.    Cheers
Thanks for your report.  Maybe I will buy a pair and give them a try.  They sure seam easy to work.
23  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2551 or 2552...Thoughts? on: July 28, 2017, 04:13:42 pm

Those Andersen Roll-on/off there enough clearance?  Our tail pipe is right behind our right-rear wheel.  Then add the mudflaps and metal supports for them and I can't see how these will work without getting tangled up in something.  Please share how they clear your PC-related obstacles.

They sure seem extremely easy to use.  I would buy a set but fear I will damage our PC with them.
24  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2551 or 2552...Thoughts? on: July 28, 2017, 07:54:50 am
Hi Wayne,

I wanted to comment about the hydraulic jacks.  When we ordered our PC 10 years ago, we were not certain which way to go.  Since the jacks are installed after the rig is 100% complete, that meant we could have the jacks installed anytime.  So to control our purchase price, we decided not to get them.  It's been 10 years and there has been times I wished we had them, and times I am glad we don't.  It's about convenience versus "mechanical simplicity" of the rig along with the added weight.  They weigh roughly as much as one slide out.

One thing to keep in-mind that the jacks cannot adjust more than a certain amount of inches and it's not a lot.  Also keep in-mind that if the parking pad is more then so many inches sloped, you are not supposed to use the jacks at all because the jacks can pivot and the rig would then wildly move off them.  I hope someone with a jack manual will read up and chime in with the numbers.  So when you want to use the jacks most as we do in various government agency campgrounds, you cannot use them.

I also read now and then on multiple RV forums that jacks have been finicky for some owners.  It might have to do with required regular maintenance.

With that said, if Phoenix held a raffle and I won jacks, I would be there the next morning to get them installed.  So there you have my oxymoron reply.
25  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Saying farewell on: July 28, 2017, 12:28:34 am
Well wishes to you BuffaloRose!  Thank you for your participation here on the PC forum.  I hope you sell your 2010-2350 quickly.  If I hear of anyone looking for a recent 2350, I will surely send them your way.
26  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2551 or 2552...Thoughts? on: July 27, 2017, 09:27:03 am
We are scheduled to pick up our new 2552 on August 2nd. Will be trading in our 2016 2351. We had the double recliner/bed option in the 2351 and continued it in the 2552 with a slide. We wouldn't own an RV without a slide. We had a Born Free no slide and when spending the winter in the south, the extra room, or lack of,  is very noticeable. We had power jacks on the 2351 and ordered them on the new one. Ever try to level an RV in the rain or at night. When the DW complains that the eggs slide to one side of the pan, you don't have to start up, back up, reblock, and pull ahead. Just touch a switch and ask "How's that Dear". As mentioned, the power awning is great. Ever left the awning out at night, the wind comes up and the awning starts flapping. You get up and start to fold up the manual awning and it starts to rain. The battery monitor is a good idea. The dinky light is barely better than nothing. PC did away with the spare tire as standard.  I had two flats on our first trip out due to the bad valve extenders. I ordered the 2552 with spare tire ($750) The swivel passenger seat which we use some, but not often. If you want to read and the DW wants to watch "The  Wheel", the TV is right above you. I end up lying on the bed to read. We bought a small folding table to eat on which we can take outside while sitting under the awning. The PC table is nice and can also be used. Double pane windows help keep the unit cooler in summer, warmer in winter, and quieter  A must have IMHO. We also had the dash radio wired to the coach so we can listen to satellite radio while parked. If you get the slide, put an awning over the slide window. Keeps the sun out during the hot summers. When you get near ordering time, spend some time with Earl. He is all knowing, can give very good advise and suggestions, and is very low key and not at all pushy. You can walk around the plant and ask questions. Hope this helps.
I loved reading through your comments.....very interesting & informative.  ThumbsUp
27  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Norcold Class Action Settlement on: July 27, 2017, 08:23:16 am
Hi Joseph,

What I am about to suggest will sound a bit odd.  Call Phoenix and ask them if they would be kind enough to sell you a new fridge at cost.  Maybe they could arrange to have one fridge delivered direct from the supplier to your door.  It is surely worth the call to find out.

Ron Dittmer
28  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2551 or 2552...Thoughts? on: July 26, 2017, 01:14:45 pm
Hi Wayne,

It appears you are down to the nitty-gritty on a 2552 (maybe a 2551).  Good for you.

Unless you are real socialites holding parties inside your PC, having two recliners where a dinette or couch would go, seems to me that it is redundant to have a Euro chair and a swivel driver seat.  Having a swivel passenger seat is nice when having a drop-in guest for conversation.  If you want accommodations for two visitors, then get the Euro or a bolted-down seat-belted matching captain seat.

I personally value our 6-way power adjustable driver seat for long days of driving.  Changing my position in the seat utilizing such adjustments is something I appreciate.  One thing I would make sure both driver and passenger seats have, is the manual dial lumbar support.  Maybe current-day seats come with lumbar adjustment by default.  Maybe even electrically adjustable.  That is something to ask Phoenix about.

A few people here have a swivel front TV so you can watch TV from the couch area much better.  Think about that one for your two recliners.

Assuming you are planning on individual recliners like captain chairs for example......Having a slide out will confine your recliners side-to-side much more than a no-slide, but you will likely need the slide out to fully recline.  That will be a trade-off to consider.  I suggest you consider NOT getting the pantry on the driver side to have more wall space for a bigger flip-up table in between the recliners, slide-out or not.

I agree about the AGM batteries.  Just be sure to get a pair of 6 volt AGMs, not 12 volt for the 6 volt perform better together.

About the matter of sleeping arrangements.  That is a personal thing.  You mentioned King Size bed so it sounds like you will set up and tear down the bed on a daily basis so you can walk to your bathroom during the day.  Just maybe you can squeak around it or crawl over it instead of messing with it twice daily.  I think jatrax has the 2552 with King Size bed and could provide good detail on how it's working.

Ron Dittmer
29  Main Forum / Adventure Anywhere / Re: Welcome to Elkhart on: July 25, 2017, 07:54:24 am
While the cutting board sounds like a great idea, in practice it never gets used.  At least not as a cutting board.  Carrie has designated it the Instant-Pot / Toaster shelf and just uses it as extra counter space.  For that it actually works fairly well.  As a cutting board?  Not so much Smile
The cutting board is a nice compliment like Carrie dedicates for hot items.  We tried to designate it for that purpose like she does, but because it was behind that door, Irene just never got into the groove.  One thing we experienced using it with our no-slide PC, when the cutting board was pulled all the way out, it kind-of cut us off from the back of our PC, cutting in a different way. Smile  So when Gradygal (or whoever it was) came up with the utensil drawer, I quickly followed along.  It was an easy affordable repurposing of that space.  But we were still inconvenienced with drawers behind the door along with the entire galley cabinet of drawers not meeting our needs well enough.

BTW:  Here is the modification as shared by Gradygal.


Let us know how it all goes for you there at Phoenix.  We hope your issues-list gets well cleaned off.
30  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: We are at Phoenix on: July 24, 2017, 12:27:29 pm
Say "Hi" to the gang there from us.
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