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16  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: The 2551 comes with sofa and the 2552 comes with dinette? on: December 29, 2015, 05:53:28 pm
Keel Hauler, we are now in competition...let the games begin  rolling on the floor

For others considering a dinette in a slide-out or not....

Our NO slide-out dinette, we have a flat step up, no slide out walls, and we have a higher ceiling.  Like all PC dinettes without a slide out behind the driver or passenger, our dinette utilizes a portion of the angled transition wall as seen in the two floor plans below.  So a 2552 with a no-slide dinette gives you more available wall to include a pull-out pantry, much larger over-head cabinets, and also more dinette head room.  This compared to having the dinette inside a slide out.

There are other considerations with a slide out such as cost, weight, dirt, bugs, air & water leaks, noise, long term reliability, etc.  You give up much for 2 feet of open floor space when parked.  Yet it is obvious that the slide out is most popular, my wife and I in the minority with our thinking.  I simply want to outline the differences for people who don't realize the benefit in not getting the slide out for the 2552, and with other models too.

Drawers versus no drawers in the dinette benches....
Our dinette bench seats without drawers offer more storage and accommodate the heaviest of items such as heavy packs of bottled water, soda, tool box, jack, etc. for they rest on the carpeted floor.  Access is from two places, from above by removing the bottom cushion, and from the front through the doors seen in our green dinette pictures.  If ordering a new PC, you can request drawers or doors.  Admittedly the huge drawers Keel Hauler have, offer great convenience.  But if heavy weight and bulk storage is your priority, consider doors, not drawers.

Note Keel Hauler's thicker cloth cushions.  Our original standard low density foam cushions were as thick as that.  The thinner but more dense memory foam we have today (both for seat and back rest) make the dinette much more roomier & comfortable, more supporting and easier to get into and out from.  You gain more leg room and more distance between your gut and the table.  The memory foam is better for sleeping on as well.  When I sat on our original cushions, my 180 pound rump bottomed out on the hard base, obviously uncomfortable.  No bottoming out on the thinner memory foam cushions.  Keep in-mind our rig was made back in 2007.  Maybe PC-USA changed the standard foam since those days.  If visiting the factory, ask if they would set one of each type of cushion per bench for you to easily compare.

No-Slideout Dinette Behind Driver Seat

No-Slideout Dinette Behind Passenger Seat
17  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Improvements & Enhancements, 2007 PC-2350 on: December 29, 2015, 09:26:09 am
Added #30
Replacing old dead liquid 12V batteries with new sealed 6V AGM batteries.
18  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: heated waste tanks on: December 29, 2015, 02:14:14 am
Joe R,

What don't you like about your dinette?  Are the bench seats uncomfortable to sit on?  If so, are they soft foam with cloth?

If your answer is Yes x 2, I suggest you order leather memory foam cushions from the factory like we did.  They changed our dinette comfort immensely for the better.  The foam is more dense and also a little thinner.  Adding the leather and the 3 differences are remarkable in comfort, ease of entry and exiting, and also roomier.

The factory should supply those cushions for every dinette they offer.

As you can see in this picture, the framing material is our original cloth.  We replaced the cushions with leather/mem-foam.
Note the foam is a little bit thinner.  As little as the difference is, it makes a big difference in roominess.

19  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: The 2551 comes with sofa and the 2552 comes with dinette? on: December 29, 2015, 01:54:30 am
Quick Trip,

Most people are attracted to the reclining couch rather than the dinette.

Like Keel Hauler, we enjoy having our dinette a whole lot.  Our trips would be messed up without it.  As long as you don't need a double bed there, the dinette works great with the 3rd captain seat.  At least it does for us.  Eating and late night table games inside is a true joy.  If considering a dinette, I advise to get the memory foam leather cushions instead of the standard cloth with soft foam.  We started out with the standard soft foam and later switched to the leather memory foam which is much more comfortable.  I am 5'-11" and had to sleep for 3 nights on the dinette converted into a bed when I fell ill on one vacation.  The memory foam is very comfortable to sleep on as well as sit on.  The size also worked well with my 5'-11" tall body.

Pictured here is our model 2350 with the leather/mem-foam dinette, 3rd captain seat, and no slide out.  We've owned our rig for 8 years now.  If we had it to do over again, we would order it the same.....well, we might consider model 2351 which came out much later, the same plan but 1 foot longer.

Keep in-mind our dinette is 8 years old.  The dinette today has a different system for the table, replacing the two posts with a single outer leg and mounted to the wall on the other side to provide more leg room.

20  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Question for 2910 Owners on: December 22, 2015, 09:18:48 am
Hi All,

This discussion over a rear twin bedroom has me sharing that this floor plan was discontinued around 2011.  It was 29'-8" long.  I'm sharing this only to stir creative thoughts.  It is nearly a foot shorter than the longest PC today, and the slide out today would include the fridge.

About a slide out on the same side as the entry door, I wonder if it can get in the way at the campsite.  We enjoy having our awning open with a picnic table underneath it.  A slide out sticking out on that wall would seem to take away from our sheltered & shaded outdoor space.  Not only physically in the way, but visually in the way.  Adding that some of our campsites get a little tight with bushes, rocks, and trees.  Having a slide out on the outdoor living side of the rig would make getting around more difficult.  I suppose then you keep that slide out tucked inside.

I bring up this point for people shopping for a motor home, but have not considered that.
21  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Another PC hits the road on: December 19, 2015, 05:10:41 pm
I would love to see a few pictures posted of your extra long bed and extended counter.

Thanks for sharing ron-n-toni
22  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: New transmission on: December 18, 2015, 09:22:28 pm
Nice!  Thanks for sharing Ron-n-Toni.

I would like to read of the details on your decision to choose a 2351, along with optional features such as a slide out or not, a dinette or couch, a bigger bed or pantry on the driver side, etc.
23  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Mattress covers/pads for twin beds? on: December 17, 2015, 11:43:47 pm
I don't know if this will work for PC twin bed models, but maybe so as it does for us.  For our 2350 rear corner full size bed with the odd angle, we learned that buying normal full size "Cotton Flannel" fitted sheets is the solution.  Just wash them "HOT" and dry them "HOT" and they shrink so bad that they fit perfectly over our reduced size, full size, cut-corner mattress.

Just maybe buying twin size cotton flannel fitted sheets for your PC twin beds will yield the same great fit.

As far as a mattress pad goes, we learned with our 2350 that it is best not to add mattress pads or toppers to reduce that swallowing-up effect.  It is a confining bed being tighter in the corner, so less fluff is better when it comes to rolling over and getting in and out from the bed.  We also realized we sleep better without all that.  I do wish we had a memory foam mattress for I think it would be better yet.  I am waiting for our original mattress to first bite the dust.

But you with easy entry twins don't deal with the same as us 2350/51ers.  Maybe toppers and pads are welcoming.
24  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Sudden loss of shore power on: December 15, 2015, 04:08:32 pm
Interesting chain of events.  Thanks for sharing ge_montana.

Like Barry-Sue is asking, I wonder why the house batteries were not getting charged while plugged into shore power.  Was your inverter turned off?
25  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: New transmission on: December 14, 2015, 09:39:21 am
Oh never mind Jim.  I dug deeper and got most of my questions answered.  Smile
26  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: New transmission on: December 14, 2015, 09:20:18 am
Hi Jim,

I quickly reviewed the 5-star tuner.  It appears to re-program the on-board computer.  The website does not get into some details so I did not get some of my questions answered.  I hope you can help.

1) Does the 5-star tuner X4 unit need to stay plugged into the OBD-II all the time to do it's job, or once the vehicle computer is re-programmed, is the tuner unplugged and put away?  I ask because my 2007 has a Scan Gauge-II plugged into the ODB-II all the time and want to keep it that way when on trips.  I also ask this because they offer a smaller device (not the x4) that appears to be something plugged in and staying in to work.

2) Is the re-programming permanent?  Or does the re-programming go back to the original factory settings after the chassis battery has been disconnected?  If I don't like the adjusted behavior, can I revert back to the original factory settings?

3) The tuner appears to be applicable to many different vehicles.  Does one tuner work on all of the vehicles they list, or do you need a particular tuner model?  I ask because $400 does seem to be the "purchase new" price which is out of my budget.  I may consider buying a used one and want to make sure to get the right model.

27  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: New transmission on: December 13, 2015, 09:01:08 pm

Have you looked at the 5 Star Tuner for the V10. I put it on mind and it works great, drops into 4 gear on most up grades and holds at about 500 RPM, if the speed drops another 5 to 10 MPH it will drop into 3rd gear, It only drop from 5th to 3rd if it is going down a long hill and right back in a steep up grade. Been using it for a couple of year and love how it works. Did not help that much on the fuel, but it states up to 10 percent of 8 MPG is only .08.

Hi Jim,

Could you expand on the 5 Star Tuner?  I never heard of it.  Is it software down-loaded through the OBD-II, a module plugged into it, or something else?  Where is it purchased and how much?
28  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: New transmission on: December 12, 2015, 11:20:59 pm
I agree with you John.

I believe our 2007 E350 chassis transmission is the same TorquesShift installed from 2006 through 2015.   There are many times I wish I could control 4th gear better but the transmission has a mind of it's own and likes to drop down two gears too easily from 5th to 3rd which has the motor rev-ing much more aggressively than what the actual conditions call for.  Many Ford E350/E450 chassis owners comment about it.  We find it most irritating dropping two gears when driving on the interstate highway with the cruise control on and are climbing a simple rise for an over-pass.  The irritation continues when the transmission downshifts to slow down the rig when descending the over-pass.

Ford could do much better with that.  I personally would appreciate a special gear shift selection or a button to control that behavior.
29  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Improvements & Enhancements, 2007 PC-2350 on: December 12, 2015, 10:49:57 am
would you please send the info on the water pressure tank. I just bought a used 2008-2401 PC and would like to begin some improvements. My e-mail is
Hi Bob, I sent you an email with an attached WORD document with pictures.  Ron
30  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: New transmission on: December 07, 2015, 11:33:58 pm
Interesting Mike.  Thanks for sharing that information.

About the 40 gallon fuel tank... I believe the 2 lesser duty versions of the 3 flavors of E350 cut-away are equipped with the 40 gallon fuel tank unless special ordered with the 55 gallon tank.  Only the Super Duty E350 with the highest weight rating of 12,500 pounds comes standard with the 55 gallon tank.
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