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16  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Cleaning the rubbery seam material on: July 17, 2016, 07:44:49 am

Tom,

We did see a spray bottle of Purple Power Industrial Strength Cleaner & Degreaser.  Was that the product you recommended?

Gail

Yep that is it.
Hopefully Tom's recommendation goes easier for you.
17  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Cleaning the rubbery seam material on: July 17, 2016, 02:26:04 am
Ron,

Hal had the Turtle Wax Scratch Remover in the garage.  We tried it before heading to Walmart.   It did clean it somewhat but would take forever to clean all that seaming inch by inch and lots of elbow grease.

Hi Gail,

How I use the scratch remover on such surfaces makes a huge difference in the amount of effort required and desired results.  I have found it best to use an old cotton tube-sock with the fluffy inside turned out.  I also cut off the elastic part that goes around the leg.  If I use an applicator sponge, a paper towel, a t-shirt rag, or anything else on such surfaces, I work much harder and get less desired results.  I don't know what it is about old tube-socks, but they work best for me doing such detail work.

Admittedly I have a full body paint job on our PC so there is no raw plastic, therefore I am not experienced with unpainted PC materials.  My experience is on other vehicles where once shiny smooth unpainted plastic has faded, stained, and lost it's shine.  Plastic headlight lenses are most popular a project for it, but requires time and effort.  Tail lights and and other smooth plastic is much easier.  Do NOT use on textured plastic or black unpainted bumper covers.

18  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: PC 2350 Questions on: July 17, 2016, 01:59:28 am
The 2351 with an extended bed may gain the extension for storage under the bed, we will see.  Ron, I believe you moved your speaker from under the bed.
Ah yes, I did have the factory mount the subwoofer in the front dinette bench.  I forgot about that.

Is the factory still installing a subwoofer under the 2350 rear corner bed, inside the main outdoor storage compartment?
19  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Exterior Paint on: July 17, 2016, 01:22:46 am
My earlier reply about long term reliability issues on a gel coat fiberglass rig is based on THIS motor home we owned for 24 years.  19 of the 24 years, the rig was stored indoors.  The pictures were taken in year 24 when selling the rig.  Pictures don't reveal the condition of the fiberglass, nor how quickly it would streak.  My experience is not with a PC.  Apparently all gelcoat fiberglass rigs are NOT the same.
20  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: PC 2350 Questions on: July 16, 2016, 09:32:27 am
You could of course carry blocks etc but the 2350-1 doesn't have a great deal of storage.
Interesting.

I am surprised to read there is not significant outdoor storage under the rear corner bed of a 2351 with an extended rear corner bed.  I know since our rig was made, the factory relocated the water tank under the bed to improve weight distribution & driving/handling, and also placed the furnace under the bed when getting a slide out, but I would have thought there is still significant outdoor storage for leveling blocks and much more.  I would love to get a good look at a 2351 some day.
21  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Cleaning the rubbery seam material on: July 16, 2016, 08:24:52 am
Thank you too, Ron.   Looks like we are going to Walmart.  

Smile

Sold at Walmart for under $5.  I think I've seen smaller bottles on the shelves priced less, but it's been a while since I was a-lookin.
22  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Cleaning the rubbery seam material on: July 15, 2016, 05:43:14 pm
If that doesn't work, try scratch remover also sold at Walmart, in their automotive paint care section.
23  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2350 & 2100 with and without slide on: July 15, 2016, 05:39:56 pm
Look at the date she posted them. It was before the current server. Picture are probably not available now. That is why you don't see them.
Ah!

Thanks Tom.
24  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Exterior Paint on: July 15, 2016, 05:29:10 pm
John, You ask a very good question.

If you look at older PCs for sale on the internet, the ones not painted having raw plastic parts like the side mirrors, stove vent, things like that tend to "fade yellow" fiercely from the sun.  Then the rig does not show as well.

Also consider that unpainted fiberglass becomes hard to look good over time.  No matter how determined you are, the surface will get chalky and then harder and harder to keep looking as white as before, staining quickly from rain streaks too.

If plain old white is your color, I would consider having the entire rig painted white.  The painted surface will be much easier to maintain, the white color would reflect the heat of the sun best, and it resists fading most.  The question to ask is....how are the dark colored full body paint jobs holding up to the sun?  Our 9 year old rig still looks great, but is stored indoors which is not a fair evaluation.
25  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: PC 2350 Questions on: July 15, 2016, 03:36:26 pm
Hi Sarz272000 Ron,

Our PC is a 2007 2350.  We have owned it for 9 years now.  We special ordered ours and did consider getting the HDH type of leveling jacks.  Given they are added after the rig is complete, I figured....."Why not do without them, save the money and the weight, and see how it goes?  If we later determined that we want them, we'll get them installed."  Nine years later and we still don't have them.  If someone waved a magic wand and they suddenly appeared on our PC, I would welcome them.  But we have been doing fine with the Lynx leveling blocks, chocks, and top caps.  They are very light weight and store nicely in our 2350 outdoor storage compartment.  We travel exclusively in national parks and other federal lands where the parking pad is rarely level and often uneven.  Even so, more often than not, I am able to get the rig "level enough" by looking at the bubble levels I stuck on the dash and door by the driver, and work with the uneven parking pad.  As mentioned by randallandchris, we try to park with a slight downward slope towards the front to keep our heads higher.

About the 2350 rear corner double bed.  It's smaller than a double bed at home and is not for everyone.  My wife and I are now in our late 50's and it is working okay for us.  My wife is 5'-1" & 120 pounds, me at 5'-11" & 180 pounds.  My point here is that we are not big people.  If either of us gained 40 pounds, we might have a problem.  I do wonder at times if it would have been better to have the shirt closet over the bed to be made more shallow to match the depth of the rest of the cabinets over the bed.  Having it so would make it easier for the person by the window to get in and out from the bed.  I did mount a television on that shirt closet which makes matters worse yet, but we like having a TV in the bedroom.  I figure if in our later years we are having a lot of trouble crawling in and out from the corner bed, we'll get rid of the TV and make the shirt closet more shallow.

You can request a 3rd matching pedestal-mount captain seat with seat belt today in place of the Euro chair and it might not cost extra.  You CANNOT have a seat belt for the Euro chair because of the way the chair is temporarily mounted via a clamp to hold it in place while in transit.  Back in 2007, a pedestal-mount low back barrel chair with a seat belt came standard.  Some years later, I bought a 3rd matching captain seat to replace it for comfort and safety.  The seat belt is mounted to the pedestal, not the seat, making it very simple to change seats.

The NO-slide dinette 2350 comes with 4 seat belts, 2 per bench.  So our 2350 HERE has 7 seat belts.  A slide out with the couch and 3rd captain seat, you get 5 seat belts.

Regarding upgrading the suspension, you can't go overboard with improvements like heavy duty stabilizer bars, rear trac bar, better shocks and steering stabilizer.  The E350 chassis 2007 and older were real bad because they came without a rear stabilizer bar.  The 2008-2016 are better but it is a matter of personal preference as to whether it's good enough.  Each owner has their own thoughts about that.

As far as the rear end sag is concerned, the 2350 is typically built on an E350 chassis which does sag a little when carrying a full tank of fresh water and empty waste tanks as shown in this picture of our rig on a trip.  Keep in-mind our E350 is a 2007 model year.  A 2008 to current day E350 sags less for the chassis CCC was increased in the rear axle by 700 pounds.  Helping further, the fresh water tank was relocated more forward and more toward the center side-to-side.  I assume the rear end sag goes away with an E450 but then you deal with an extremely rough ride.  I personally feel there is no issue with the E350 sag for it is not much.  Shown here is our 2007 E350 chassis with a 2350 NO-slide on it's back.  Our 2007 chassis would sag more with a current-day 500-600 pound slide out.....and more yet with HDH levelers.  If contemplating a 2351, I would consider an E450 chassis.
26  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2350 & 2100 with and without slide on: July 15, 2016, 12:44:10 am
Hi Aimee,

I see you have posted pictures, I assume floor plans for the 2350 and 2100 NO-slide.  But all I see are pictures frames with little green colored icons in the upper left corners.

Does everyone else see the same as me?  Maybe it's just me.

Ron
27  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2350 & 2100 with and without slide on: July 15, 2016, 12:40:33 am
John,

Let me know if you find yourself on I-90 west of Chicago.  We live 3 minutes off the interstate (Jane Adams tollway) about 30 minutes west of O'Hare airport.

I'd love to see a 2351 in-person, and liking your deviations.
28  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2350 & 2100 with and without slide on: July 14, 2016, 10:50:16 pm
Hi John,

Pictured below is the floor plan of a 2007 2350 with NO slide-out, taken from the 2007 brochure.  Our 2007 NO-slide 2350 HERE is the floor plan.  I believe a brand new 2016 NO-slide 2350 is identical.

I have never seen a NO-slide 2351 floor plan.  There are numerous ways a 2351 can be configured.  I believe by default it comes with a 12" pull-out pantry on each side.  If you delete the pantry on the driver side, you can get more leg room for the dinette along with bigger more comfortable benches and more bench storage.  If you delete the pantry on the passenger side, you can have either a longer bed with larger outdoor storage, or a bigger galley.  You might be able to split the extra wall space and make each a little bigger.
29  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Recliner Damage on: July 13, 2016, 09:07:52 am
On page 5 of the 2007 brochure is a list of popular options of which it specifically says "Leather Seating (Captain Chairs)".  So when we ordered our 2350 in 2007, I expected the front captain seats to be leather on the seating surfaces, and vinyl on all other surfaces, but I never could confirm it.  I really don't think our front captain seats have any leather in them, but maybe I am wrong.  Maybe it's bonded leather which is a percentage of leather inside a concoction of various materials on a roll.  These days you have to ask "What kind of leather is it, bonded(poor quality), top grain(okay), or full grain leather(real quality)?"  I would rather have vinyl instead of bonded leather for bonded leather has very poor durability.  But so far our seats are holding up well, yet our rig is not a good gauge to go by given it is inside a dark controlled temp garage most of the time.

The way this was written back in 2007, the implication is that all other seats upgraded to leather, might not be actual leather.
30  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Recliner Damage on: July 12, 2016, 10:44:10 pm
In my case Ron... I use NO hair care products, nor does my wife. In fact, I have very little hair to put hair care products in.
Okay, I understand.  So that can be ruled out.

Joey, We have the same year as you. We have already had the arms and the backs of the Euro chairs replaced.  the back and seat of the sofa is peeling off in big hunks as well. The drivers seat is falling apart. We have spoken with Kermit about the problem and he will send us replacement covers when we get back to Florida. He had indicated previously that Paul's Seating got a bad batch of the phony leather.  In ours, it looks like skin peeling after a very bad sunburn. It looks disgusting!!!!!Judi
Wow, how weird is that?  I am glad that Paul's Seating and the factory are both aware of the problem and are supplying good replacements.

Are you expected to do the upholstery work yourself?  Or are you taking your rigs somewhere to get the new covers installed?

Ron

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