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16  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Decisions Decisions on: November 10, 2014, 01:04:18 pm
FWIW, as stated in our 2007-2350 paperwork, MSRP was $89,051.  Before current-day factory-direct only sales, we bought through a dealer paying $67,205 + $4,368 in sales tax.  After our purchase we added $3900 in suspension upgrades, $430 for a 3rd captain seat, and lesser amounts on piles more that added thousands more.  I would guess we have near $80,000 invested when considering the money we invested to tow our Jeep.

I really don't know what our 2007 2350 with no slide-out would sell for today.  I am not convinced the tiny slide-out offered at that time would make a difference in value and/or marketing if selling today.  I do feel the larger slide-out which includes the fridge is a positive influence.  I also feel the largest slide-out in the new 2351 (also known as the 2450) and the 2552 and bigger models is a sure winner for resale value.

We did special order our rig without a slide-out with no consideration to resale value.  For you who consider resale value "crucial", you really should get a slide-out, even if you don't find it important for yourself.

Again, these are just my thoughts based on resale observations.  I don't have hard data to back up my comments.  I don't claim to be an authority on this.
17  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2013 model 2551 12 volt batteries OK? on: November 07, 2014, 05:12:17 pm
After further review and discussion on a few different forums, I will be purchasing two 6V AGM batteries from Sam's Club for $180 per battery as advertised HERE.  I understand AGM technology is maintenance-free, charge more quickly, and has a longer life cycle compared to standard deep cycle lead acid 6V and 12V batteries.  Time and experience will tell if my information is good.

I will remove my roll-out battery tray and screw down sheet steel for the bottom of the battery box for adequate clearance for the taller batteries.  I will come up with a means to cradle the batteries so they won't move around inside the big box.  It will be nice not doing any maintenance on them.  Just mount them and forget them until they no longer perform.
18  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Pleated Front Curtain on: November 05, 2014, 09:42:58 am
I love all the ideas shared.  Yes they got my gears turning again.

On our first motor home seen here, it came with a privacy curtain that attached to the decorative buttons.  You can see 4 of the eight buttons with the decorative caps removed.





In the case with our PC, those buttons are used as seen in this picture.


I think adding one more button to the right on the green triangle would make for an ideal snap on curtain.  Maybe a button in the middle and one at the far right for a nice balanced look.  You simply use a teaspoon to pop off the decorative cap (green cap in my case here) and behind it is the male portion of the snap.  With two snaps per side that sort-of follows the wing wall, that might offer enough support and enough of a seal.  I am currently at work, unable to determine if anything is in the way.  Maybe cover 50% across the triangle would be best to avoid cabinets, dinette, etc.

As far as what material to use, our old rig was upholstery vinyl.  It blocked out the draft except down at the floor because it wasn't quite long enough.

If it works very effectively, maybe we should propose it to Kermit to offer it as a feature or option because it would be nice if it was made of the same material to match.
19  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Pleated Front Curtain on: November 04, 2014, 08:28:00 am
Bill,

Because we have a TV there, the curtain wouldn't work for us.  When it's cold and getting dark early, watching a movie is a very nice pass time for us.

I do wonder if a simple quilted blanket would work to drape over the two front seat backs for a good lower-half barrier, providing reach-over access to the front.  It wouldn't work if needing to sit on the swivel seat, but otherwise might keep the coldest air and drafts away.  Has anyone tried that?  If so, how well does it work for you?

Oh so many pillows we have now, plus a big quilted blanket would be over the top for me. Cry
20  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Pleated Front Curtain on: November 03, 2014, 04:58:07 pm
Admittedly the stock front privacy curtain is a bit cumbersome, but we have adapted well in managing it.  I do like their full vertical Velcro center connecting feature, and they do store cleanly tucked away.

For cold nights it would be nice to completely seal off around the front seats with something like a thin quilted blanket.  It would take good skills to come up with something friendly to work that offers a draft-free seal.  It would be much easier a project if leaving the front seats on the cold side, but we store stuff on the two front seats, primarily at bed time where all my wife's pillows get dumped.

Then there is the swivel front seat feature.  It would be sad to block off a seat that could be used when we have guests.

We just started carrying a small electric 1500 heater with a blower for the fix but have not yet tried it out.  We never seem to camp plugged-in anymore.

BTW, This is my 2000th post.  Yikes!
21  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Why PC instead of similar priced Class A on: October 31, 2014, 07:20:16 pm
.......before ending up with our 2350 PC.   We think it is perfect for two.  Would NOT travel with anymore than just us.
Yep, those are my feelings too, great for the two of us.

We have traveled with our 3 adults kids on a few weekenders.  All works well until bedtime having one of them sleeping inside our 2350.  It is just too tight for that.  We don't have a slide out, maybe less an issue if we did.
22  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Do I Need A New Sanicon Macerator? on: October 31, 2014, 06:22:51 pm
Great information.  Thank you Bill.
23  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Tire and battery advice on: October 31, 2014, 03:45:57 pm
I just got off the phone with Kermit.

Phoenix extended the battery box frame by the amount required to accommodate the taller 6V batteries which is 1.5 inches.  That means I either have to lower my battery frame somehow (maybe using 1.5" "U" channel) or replace my battery tray with a flat piece of sheet steel as I had figured.  Kermit said the battery box frame is bolted to the floor of the PC which makes using "U" channel a consideration.

At least I know what my options are.
24  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Why PC instead of similar priced Class A on: October 31, 2014, 02:32:25 pm
At the risk of lower my ratings, here is my input.

You have two young children.  I feel bunk beds for the kids is a very nice feature.  Any PC with B+ front cap can't accommodate nearly as well.  If PC-USA offered a class C version with a conventional over-the-cab double bed, then I would be changing my position.

So.....

I feel you'd be better off in that 35QBA foot Allegro with bunk beds.  But a 35 foot anything is a monstrosity to me, very hard to get around in.  I personally would consider a new Minnie Winnie 22R at under 24 feet in length, or the 25B at just over 26 feet.

I always wondered why PC-USA doesn't offer a seamless "C" cap version for every model.  Same rig, just a "C" instead of a "B+".  Make it an option like a slide out is today, looking similar to a Winnebago View.  That would appeal to family households.
25  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Tire and battery advice on: October 31, 2014, 02:10:04 pm
My 12V tray is raised.  I can modify it to be so low that it will scrape the frame.  If I drop it to within 1/8" of the frame to avoid scraping, I don't think the battery terminals will clear the top of the opening.  It seems that close a call.  Also, I would like to place the batteries inside the tray so they are as far forward to me (not the back wall) to relax my battery cabling better.  That might require a new tray of different dimensions.  You are right Tom.  I should call the factory.
26  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Tire and battery advice on: October 31, 2014, 01:00:50 pm
I did some measuring and determined that my slide out battery tray will need to be replaced with a simple sheet of steel to get adequate clearance because the 6V batteries are so much taller.  The sheet steel will have angle iron screwed to it to cradle the batteries so they don't move around on the large surface.
In my planning to accommodate taller 6V batteries, I am wondering how Phoenix accommodates their tall 6V batteries in their new PCs.

Are the tall 6V batteries still in a slide out tray or simply placed on a flat metal compartment bottom like I will have to fabricate to get adequate clearence?

If tall 6Vs still sit in a slide out tray, did the factory lower the compartment for the batteries to clear the top of the finished opening?

If so, do you see the sliding tray below the closed battery door?

In my current 12V situation seen here, when the finished door is closed, I only see a portion of that 1" high horizontal black angle iron below the door.

To you who have tall 6V batteries, what do you see below the battery door after it is closed?

27  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Do I Need A New Sanicon Macerator? on: October 31, 2014, 11:35:35 am
I was going to buy a new pump from Phoenix for $350.  Then for kicks I searched for macerator pumps and quickly found THIS ONE for $96.  I would like to compare specs but don't know what Phoenix is selling me for $350.  Does anyone have the brand and model number of the pumps Phoenix uses today?  I don't want to buy the wrong thing trying to save $255.
28  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Selling our 2551 mattresses on: October 31, 2014, 11:22:11 am
I asked Aimee if we could have a "PC/RV Related Stuff For Sale By Owner", but that idea didn't fly.  I have a collection of PC related stuff myself I could post for sale here.  They take up space downstairs at home.  Oh well.  I suppose that is what Ebay & CL is for.
29  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Rear camera problem on: October 30, 2014, 12:59:39 pm
The rearview mirror is pretty much useless as a mirror, but ours has a compass and outdoor thermometer.  So it's pretty useful.  Wouldn't want to be without it.   nod
I agree in your case.  The mirror is surely worth keeping when it is multi-functional.

After I had mounted the backup camera in place of the mirror, I kind-of missed not being able to look back inside the rig.  I remedied that little dilemma by clipping a vanity mirror on the visor.  I don't have kids travelling but if I did, a mirror would be quite valuable to have in one form or another.
30  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Another New Model Being Offered, The 2450 on: October 29, 2014, 03:58:41 am
As for us, we owned a tiny motor home for 24 years without a dinette.  Actually it did have a large dinette, but we kept it setup as our primary bed all the time so we did without dinette conveniences.  Back in 2007 when shopping for a replacement motor home, our primary goal was to have both a dinette and a double bed on the main floor.  Our 2350 was the winner.  We love having the dinette available all the time.  We would never do without it again.

If anyone decides on ordering any PC with a dinette, I highly recommend getting the leather-like cushions with memory foam.  We ordered ours in cloth with standard foam.  Both cloth & cushion turned out to be uncomfortable.  Years later we bought the upgrade cushions and were "Wow'd" by the improvement in comfort.  They even provide a little more elbow room because they are a little thinner.  I never have to get up anymore to rescue my butt or back.  Our dinette can't compare to a couch for comfort, but there is always another reason to get up before I get to that point.  Having the extra comfy seat by the door is nice when one of us wants to kick back and relax.
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