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1516  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Towed vehicle - question on: April 04, 2012, 08:32:37 pm
With my first tow vehicle, a small car, the tow bar was perfectly horizontal.  It had no bucking.

With my Jeep Liberty, the tow bar is at a significant angle upward to the Jeep where a decent amount of bucking has been present.

I bought a hitch adaptor and longer 76" safety cables.  With everything hooked up, the bar is level again.  I have yet to take a trip, but I am ready now.  I hope the bucking will be gone.

Sorry for the huge pictures.  I wish there was a feature to adjust their size.


1517  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: New layout for specs on: April 04, 2012, 08:23:34 pm
Perfect Timing Aimee!

I just directed someone to your efforts, one who is considering a class "B".  I suggested he give a 2100 consideration.
1518  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used. on: March 30, 2012, 12:33:23 pm
We tend to put very little hours on our generator, primarily using it to run the microwave and A/C when we stop to eat lunch at a roadside park or rest stop.  We hate RV parks that are what I call parking lots with hookups.....
We feel the same about most RV parks, and they are quite costly as well.  We like to search out more primitive & isolated camp ground facilities, mainly for the atmosphere with cost per night right behind that.  If those places happen to have electric or better, then that is a " Cheer".  Even when primitive camping, we limit generator run times.  I setup my secondary 40 amp battery charger to boost the main batteries, setup cell phones and camera battery chargers, everything that would benefit from a running generator, so when the genny is turned on lot's of things are happening all at once.

We don't like to run the generator because of the noise, worse inside the motor home than when outside.  It feels like we are on the open road again instead of getting that peace and quiet time that we are seeking out in the first place.
1519  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Sprinter vs Ford (was: Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used.) on: March 29, 2012, 04:16:07 pm
There is no doubt the PC coach is a far better fit on a Sprinter vs's some other manafacturers.
I always felt the same.

The only thing that is a pet peive of mine about the Sprinter, is how the rear wheels are inset so much farther on the Sprinter than the E350.
It just does not look right, seeming to be missing a tire.  Nothing can be done about it.  It is what it is.


1520  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: A 3100 possible purchase question on: March 29, 2012, 12:25:13 pm
Welcome RichardP,

If you like the floorplan, you should really like the over-all rig.  PCs are well made, better than the typical "C".  If you decide to special order a particular model, be sure to ask others on this forum having the same model, what they wished they had done differently.  PC-USA will make modest deviations from what is considered "standard" without gouging the buyer.  Radical changes might get costly, or simply cannot be done.

Someone mentioned reversing the position of your heads.  That might cost you nothing at all.  PC-USA is a great company to work with.  They aim to please without pick-pocketing you.
1521  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Sprinter vs Ford (was: Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used.) on: March 29, 2012, 12:14:07 pm
Jack, that is very intersting data.  Like you say, maybe your fuel consumption is improving as your drive through the break-in period.

Be sure to keep track of whole trips, considering all-around driving conditions, city, byway touring, etc.  Those are most intriquing to me.
You know the statements like "I drove 5000 miles on vacation and averaged 00.0 considering sightseeing through Yellowstone, San Fransisco, across the great plains, all combined as a total vacation experience".
1522  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Exterior electrical receptacle on: March 27, 2012, 03:26:46 pm
 Jerry, ThumbsUp
1523  Main Forum / General Discussion / Sprinter vs Ford (was: Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used.) on: March 27, 2012, 12:56:12 pm
If for what ever reason you do not want to go the Ford route now I would personnaly wait seveal years and you are going to see  new chassis's come on the market for RV applications from both Ford and Ram that will offer better MPG, more flexible floorplans, etc.
I am curious to see if Ford's new T-series cut-away similar to the E350 in Load capability, will be adopted by PC-USA.  That chassis is claimed to yield more power & torque and better fuel economy than the Sprinter.  I would hope at a lower purchase price too.

I heard the front wheel drive van will come out next year for 2013, but the American version of the front or rear wheel drive 6-wheel cut-away I think is this.....who knows?  If this is the chassis, interesting the frame rail is "L" shaped, not "C" shaped like the E350.  Even my little Ford Ranger has "C" frame rails.  Maybe this has "Z" frame rails.

1524  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Exterior electrical receptacle on: March 27, 2012, 12:46:10 pm
PC-USA uses 12 gauge wire throughout instead of the usual 14 gauge, to help in preventing over-loading.

I cannot speak for other PC model years, but my 2007 2350 outside receptable to the left of the entry door, opperates off the inverter until the generator is running or the motor home is plugged into shore power.  I don't know what would happen if I plugged an electric grill into that outlet if running off the Tripp-Lite 2000 watt inverter.
1525  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Calling All PC Owners With "True Average" Fuel Economy Figures on: March 26, 2012, 08:22:35 pm
I'm sorry you are asking more then my attention span can handle.      pulling hair out pulling hair out pulling hair out
Billy ol buddy, I admit it can look like a lot of gobble-dee-goo.  You only have to look at the "bold" figures.  If you wonder why I got over 10 mpg one time, and 9 mpg the other time, then you can read deeper.  If you had your own figures that were very different from mine, then you could compare with my data to help determine why the differences.

I hope to do a little better by slowing down and refrain from using the cruise control, just to see what happens.  At 50 cents a mile now, it is worth performing the experiment.  I am also thinking of investing in a Scan Guage just to help me find the best mpg sweet spot, not to calculate actual fuel economy.
1526  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Calling All PC Owners With "True Average" Fuel Economy Figures on: March 26, 2012, 05:30:08 pm
Oh absolutely Aimee.  Let me fix that.

.............How is that?
1527  Main Forum / General Discussion / Calling All PC Owners With "True Average" Fuel Economy Figures on: March 26, 2012, 05:24:58 pm
Please Do NOT post one or two time fill ups, short trips, Scan-guage read-outs, head or tail winds.  You are free to share that in other threads.
Lets post solid figures here for us and prospective patrons to read how our areo-dynamic rigs do with fuel consumption.

If you have tracked your fuel economy accurately over thousands of miles, please share your figures with the rest of us.  Be sure to include the following
- The year and model of your PC
- The chassis and chassis year (E350, E450, Sprinter)
- Dry weight of your PC as stated on the PC sticker
- Towing, No or Yes (if yes, what exactly including weight of tow)
- Miles driven
- Top practiced speed limits
- Type of fuel generally purchased (Octane -Low, Mid-grade, High)
- how your figures were calculated

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For Me....

2007 PC-2350
2007 E350 with V10 engine
9200 pound dry weight (no slide out)
Towing, see below
Miles driven, see below
Practiced speed limits, see below
Always the lowest octane sold (87 in most places, 85 at high altitude places)
Fuel economy, averaged from the gas station near home, back to that same gas station, keeping accurate record of gallons purchased along the way.

Trip "A"  (during break-in period...if there is such a thing as a break-in period anymore)
- towing a 2200 pound, 2000 Toyota MR2 Spyder, 100% of the time.  This means that all locally driven miles are done with the car.  The PC stayed parked at camp sites.
- 5039 mile journey from Chicago, to San Francisco, to Las Vegas, and a lot of places in between.  Highway, mountain and canyon driving combined.
- top speed is consistently 5 mph over posted speed limits when towing, but never exceeding 70mph.
Averaged over the 5039 miles driven = 9.5 mpg

Trip "B"
- towing 4300 pound, 2006 Jeep Liberty 4x4, 100% of the time.  This means that all locally driven miles are done with the 4x4.  The PC stayed parked at camp sites.
- 3826 mile journey from Chicago, to Jasper Alberta and a lot of places in between.  Highway & mountain driving combined.
- top speed is consistently 5 mph over posted speed limits when towing, but never exceeding 70mph.
Averaged over the 3826 miles driven = 9.2 mpg

Trip "C"  (very short trip, almost doesn't meet my own criteria)
- Not towing anything so all driving was done with the motor home.
- shorter trip of about 800 miles, 700 highway, 100 local.
- loaded up with 5 adults for a wedding.
- typical cruising speed was 65mph on the open road interstate driving.
Averaged over the 800 miles driven = 10.2 mpg

These figures are as accurate as I could get with no fluff of any kind.  Actually I favored worse economy when averaging 10ths of gallons, so if anything my true fuel economy is better than stated.
1528  Main Forum / General Discussion / Sprinter vs Ford (was: Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used.) on: March 26, 2012, 04:27:52 pm
For the recond on this forum, our 2007 E350-V10 PC-2350 has gotten this fuel economy, averaged from the gas station near home, back to that same gas station, keeping accurate record of gallons purchased along the way.

Trip "A"  (during break-in period...if there is a break-in period)
- towing 2200 pound car 100% of the time.  This means that all locally driven miles are done with the car.  The PC stayed parked at camp sites.
- 5039 mile journey from Chicago, to San Francisco, to Las Vegas, and a lot of places in between.  Highway, mountain and canyon driving combined.
- top speed is consistently 5 mph over posted speed limits when towing, but never exceeding 70mph.
Averaged over the 5039 miles driven = 9.5 mpg


Trip "B"
- towing 4300 pound 4x4 100% of the time.  This means that all locally driven miles are done with the 4x4.  The PC stayed parked at camp sites.
- 3826 mile journey from Chicago, to Jasper Alberta and a lot of places in between.  Highway & mountain driving combined.
- top speed is consistently 5 mph over posted speed limits when towing, but never exceeding 70mph.
Averaged over the 3826 miles driven = 9.2 mpg


Trip "C"
- Not towing anything so all driving was done with the motor home.
- shorter trip of about 800 miles, 700 highway, 100 local.
- loaded up with 5 adults for a wedding.
- typical cruising speed was 65mph on the open road interstate driving.
Averaged over the 800 miles driven = 10.2 mpg

These figures are as accurate as I could get with no fluff of any kind.  I favored worse economy when averaging 10ths of gallons, so if anything my true fuel economy would be better, not worse.

I think I will start a new thread on MPG, sseking everyones "Accurate" figures.
1529  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used. on: March 24, 2012, 07:20:37 pm
About the rear corner bed.  It really comes down to, having the person by the exit get out in order to allow the other to get out.  With us, that comes to once overnight which we both find the need to visit the room next door.  It works....just not ideal like at home.  But so much better than us sleeping separate, and also sleeping in a cab-over where it's double trouble.  The one person must get out like we do, but in the smaller rigs, you can't even sit upright to scooch over.  That drove us crazy in our first tiny rig with cabover bed.
1530  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used. on: March 24, 2012, 12:31:32 pm
Sherman,

When you visit your family in Sycamore, IL be sure to stop by our house with your wife.  It would be good for both of you to see an example of the "other" choice.

It is hard to determine the weight of a slide out.

I did ask that same question back in 2007, the days of the smaller slide out.  I was told it would add 400 pounds to my 2350.  The assumption that the larger slide out today adds an additional 100 pounds is conceivable, assuming the data given me is accurate.

I would assume the weight involves extra framing of the exterior wall, floor reinforcement, tracks, the awning topper, trim, gaskets, etc, etc, and the differences in furniture.  The dinette weighs hardly anything.  I think the heavist thing is the table itself.
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