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1576  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Questions from a Newbie on: September 25, 2013, 01:06:52 pm
As to the rocker switch on the panel to provide momentary charging, I have always just carried a good pair of heavy duty battery cables...

I carry an extra long set of heavy duty jumper cables and have used them when my chassis battery died, jumping power from the pair in back to the under-hood dead one up front.  It worked great.  Having them along on trips is also handy to help a stranded camping neighbor.

The rocker switch up front by the driver's left side is pretty much a novelty to me.  It won't charge a truly dead/failed battery, only help a discharged one, and then it takes a very long time.  Jumper cables are always dependable and quick.

Adding: About the hot water tank plastic drain plug.
If memory serves me right, that requires a 15/16" socket.  I bought just the socket and keep it loose inside my RV tool box along with my travel socket set.  Just make sure your HWT socket works with your socket set.  It may require an adaptor.

The inverter is a real sweet feature, but it won't power up the serious stuff.  It's great for watching TV while in transit or parked.  It will also power the coffee maker.  But when parked we've learned to just run the generator for those 5-10 minutes for coffee as not pull-down the battery reserves.  But no concern while driving because the engine up front supplies adequate amperage through the inverter.

PCs are really nice rigs for dry camping (no hook-ups).  Our trip last month was for 30 days out west.  We had 110v hook-up for only 2 nights (or was it 3?) of the 30, and only because it was available.  Never any water/sewage hook ups.  Just dump and fill as needed.  This considering just us two adults.  But I could see it being a bit different with kids.

BTW:  Welcome Doneworking/Paul!
1577  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Goodbye to PC on: September 25, 2013, 12:58:30 pm

It sounds like your plan is to go full time or at least for extended periods of multiple months, so I can understand the need for more room, and a diesel pusher surely offers the most for the footprint.  They are almost a story and a half with so much basement storage to keep the living space clutter-free.

I hope you connect with a great DP discussion forum as that is an art form (forum) all to itself.  Blessings to the two of you in your new venture in your diesel pusher.

Ron Dittmer
1578  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Another sani con tank flushing question on: September 24, 2013, 03:41:58 pm
Our older 2007 model has no such switch.  Like Tom says, it would be handy to have by the outside shower.
1579  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Report on alignment and handling of our 2552 on: September 24, 2013, 03:27:30 pm
This is a great discussion.

There are different brands of similar products that adddress the same things.

There are the variety of PCs from 21 to 31 feet in length with a variety of wheel bases.  It isn't hard for me to conclude that "By Inherrent Design", every 2100, 2350, and possibly the 2400 will experience more handling issues than a 2551 and longer.  This for two reasons, the same as many of you mentioned.
1) the ratio between wheel base and rear over-hang is worse on the shortest PC models
2) the E350 & Sprinter chassis are less capable than the E450 and are therefore more sensitive to weight distribution

On point #2, I feel this way because the E350 and Sprinter frames are of a thinner gauge steel and therefore could be flexing and/or twisting more than an E450 frame.  Anytime there is such flexing or twisting, it can affect handling.  Mind you that such flexing/twisting is not to be of concern as long as the weight limitations are respected.

If you pay close attention to commercials of redesigned vehicle model years, they often point out "improved body rigidity for better handling".  That is where I come up with that.

less flexing = less handling variation
1580  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Night/Day Shades Rattling on: September 24, 2013, 12:55:25 pm
Nice Story.  Our rig is over six years old and we still appreciate all those features you mentioned.

I wonder if our older style day/night shades rattle against the window frames.  I have other noises going on that drown out any such noise.  Nice tip if I quiet down the rest of our rig.

Welcome to the PC family!  Your 2100 with no slide-out and full body paint gets a double thumbs up from me.  ThumbsUp  ThumbsUp
If you find your rig likes to "wander" on the road, there are affordable suspension upgrades that will take care of it for you, so well that it will handle like a steady SUV.
1581  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Mercedes or E350 for ride and handling on: September 23, 2013, 04:15:29 pm
I can't knock the Sprinter.  Though I personally wouldn't go for one, I understand the attraction.

I find it interesting in what's upcoming from Ford called Transit.  It supposedly will be much more fuel efficient than the E350, comparable to the Sprinter but of coarse with Ford pricing.  I also wonder if PC-USA will be offering it.

Here is a 2014 Ford Transit Cut-Away.
More Pictures/Data HERE apparently for a box truck application.

1582  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Vvvvvvvvvvibration Noise on: September 23, 2013, 03:59:59 pm
Tom, I like your idea.
1583  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: What is in the box between the propane tank and the frame? on: September 23, 2013, 03:59:20 pm
I agree that you need to use some common sense as to how long to hold the button in after the light turns on.  I hold it priming for 2-3 seconds after the light comes on, then go for start.

There is no hard fast rule for everyone because Onans seem to behave differently from one unit to another.  I suppose it comes down to finding what works best for your PC.

Also, it could possibly be the altitude adjustment on the carb isn't matching your actual altitude.  I wonder how many of us PC owners adjust that thingy?
1584  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: What is in the box between the propane tank and the frame? on: September 23, 2013, 02:17:24 pm
About the Onan 4000 generator....

With our 2007 model, it primes after the light turns on, not beforehand.  We were doing the WRONG thing holding down the primer until the light came on.

When the light turns on, it is then that it first starts to prime.  If you listen very closely, you can hear the pump turn on when the light turns on.

So hold that primer switch long after the light goes on.  It still takes a few starting attempts, but with much less cranking.

Bob, if I never primed prior, my generator would require excessive cranking to start.  So I don't know what more to say.
1585  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: SCAN GAUGE II on: September 22, 2013, 10:43:15 am
I did not come up with a cheat sheet, and don't plan on doing so.  Like skipper, I simply display information pertinent to fuel consumption.  I played with the SG2 and settled into displaying these four data types.

- average mpg (averaged from the time you turn on the engine to the time you turn it off)
- real time mpg (instant miles per gallon, recalculated every few seconds)
- miles per hour
- throttle position sensor (position of the gas pedal, 12=foot off pedal, 76=pedal-to-the-metal)  It's good to know how far down I am pressing the gas pedal.

As you know I mounted mine on top of my rear camera monitor using velcro.  I fished a computer cable from that area to the OBD-2 connector.  My SG2 cable is used only to make the final connection.  I have it coiled up and wire tied pretty behind the kick panel.  If I want to use the SG2 on another vehicle, I simple pop off the kick panel, unplug, and the rest is understood.

I tried using my SG2 for trip averaging, but I couldn't get it to consistently remember where it left off.  Adding my purchased fuel after each fill-up wasn't friendly enough for me either.  It was too much fussing.  I always keep track of fuel and miles with pen & paper, initially using it for comparison but ended up being my only.
1586  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Vvvvvvvvvvibration Noise on: September 22, 2013, 10:22:14 am
I understand.
1587  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Vvvvvvvvvvibration Noise on: September 22, 2013, 12:08:55 am
The front up under the engine NOISE.

They jacked up her rear end and ran her until she made the noise then threw her into neutral and turned her off and the noise continued for several seconds.
Jordon Ford really did some great research.  In Neutral with engine off, the noise continued until the drive train got below that 50 mph mark.  That rules out everything forward of the transmission.  But the noise came from under the engine.  That implies the noise is originating in the transmission and resonating through the engine.

I would rule out anything related to the engine, also because the noise is not heard in lower gears at high rpm.

It sounds like a transmission matter.  I wonder if you had a full transmission flush done by a Ford dealer, if it would flush out the trouble.  Maybe there is something inside that could be maniputated (made quiet) when flushing the transmission.  Just throwing out possibilities here.

We once had a car with a power steering pump that went bad by vibrating loud.  We replaced the pump and all was fine thereafter.  But if your power steering pump was bad, you would get the noise at high RPMs in lower gears as well.  Therefore I rule that out as a possibility.
1588  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Vvvvvvvvvvibration Noise on: September 20, 2013, 01:22:48 pm
If that were my coach, I'd try playing doctor myself.

Remove the engine cover and have someone else drive the vehicle.  Get that noise to occur and listen around.  If there is simply too much residual noise, use a mechanic's stethiscope and listen around.  They are sold cheap at auto part stores like Napa, Auto Zone, O'Reilly's etc.  They work by placing the end on metal and listen for the noise through it.  Place the end on various mechanical things that you can reach.  I think you may be able to lengthen the hose using an extention tube to reach more places.

Also use a vacuum cleaner hose, one end to your ear, the other end to various places around where you can safely reach while the vehicle is in motion.  My vacuum cleaner hose has bailed me out a few times with a good diagnosis.  But I never tried what I am suggesting you try.

Safety First
Good Luck
1589  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Mercedes or E350 for ride and handling on: September 20, 2013, 01:09:44 pm
I have never owned nor even test driven the Sprinter, so keep that in-mind when reading my reply.

We own a PC2350 built on a 2007 E350 Ford chassis.  2007 was the last year of the lesser E350, so it handles 1000 pounds less weight and assumed a less bumpy ride because of it.  Mind you that our ride is still bumpy especially considering that our rig is lighter because it does not have a 400 pound slideout.  As mentioned by ragoodsp, the closer you load your rig to the limit of the chassis, the smoother your ride will be.

If considering an E350, plan on spending a few thousand more on more capable stabilizer bars and such.  But I suppose a Sprinter would also benefit from the same upgrades.

Regarding fuel economy, that is quite subjective pending what you carry aboard, what you tow if anything, driving habits, whether you use cruise control, the types of roads travelled, generator usage, and how fuel economy is being calculated.  My trip average is closely documented (each fuel purchase) for most accurate data.

All trips were heading out west
Trip towing 2100 pound car over 5000 miles - 9.5 mpg
Trip towing 3600 pound car over 4000 miles - 9.2 mpg
Trip towing nothing over 5500 miles - 10.6 mpg

A couple tank fulls got over 13 mpg, I recall one rough slow 15mph switch back mountain tank full got 8 mpg, but my averages were from home near Chicago, back to home.

There are other considerations, E350 versus Sprinter, some previously mentioned.

This I copied from my standard reply on this subject matter on another forum.

Advantages Of The Sprinter With Diesel Engine
- Offers a 35% improvement in fuel economy over the Ford-V10, when both are loaded and driven identically.
- More ergonomic driver compartment with more leg room.
- Comfort continues with a car-like feel & quiet ride.
- A grander view out the windshield
- Made by Mercedes which people are attracted to.

Advantages Of The Ford E350 with V10 Engine
- Given identical motor homes both brand and model, the Ford is around $13,000 MSRP cheaper
- The Ford V10 engine has 50% more horse power and torque
- The Ford E350 chassis handles 1430 pounds more weight.
- The E350 is able to tow a heavier load.
- The E350 rear axle is significantly wider which translates to better stability.
- In most places traveled, gasoline costs less than diesel fuel
- The Sprinter diesel has limited mechanical service shops around North America
- The Sprinter diesel is typically outfitted with a propane generator. Propane is a critical fuel for RV operations, and generally needs to be rationed when dry camping.
- This Next Point Is Debatable But Still Worth Noting....The V6 Sprinter diesel engine is not allowed to idle for extended periods. This limitation is detrimental when you need a/c but there are generator restrictions or you are dangerously low on propane, or you have a mechanical failure with the generator or roof a/c. The Ford V10 can safely idle for hours on end, heating, cooling, and battery charging, all valuable if you have a baby, pets, or health/respiratory issues.

1590  Main Forum / Photos / Re: Scenic Pictures With Our 2007 2350 on: September 19, 2013, 12:28:19 am
I added a pic from our August 2013 trip.
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