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1576  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Insulation on: October 05, 2014, 07:40:36 am
Thanks Bob for the confirmation.

I wonder why they don't have that nice prefabricated insulation blanket covering the entire cap area, in whole or in sections?  In that picture, I see the worker needing the bare wall to tape wires.  But once done it would have been easy to add insulation before installing the inside finish panels.

If we did a lot of winter camping, I would consider pulling back the two inside finish panels and tuck in squares of R11 insulation.
1577  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Insulation on: October 05, 2014, 12:32:43 am
The main insulation does not cover the sides as shown in this picture.  I don't know if they add separate pieces on the sides.  I would hope they do.

1578  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2551 with a diesel vs gas on: October 03, 2014, 05:49:03 pm
Hi Judi,

If you seek a Phoenix Cruiser diesel with great fuel economy, then a Sprinter chassis is really the only good choice.  Unfortunately for you, only models 2350 and 2400 are offered on the Sprinter.  Not any other model including the 2551.
1579  Main Forum / Adventure Anywhere / Re: Wonderful trip to Utah and Colorado on: October 03, 2014, 11:00:02 am
Does anyone have recommendations for the area?
Rent a Jeep for the day from Farabee's on the south side of town.  Don't rent from anyone else.  Ask them to map for you the popular route starting in Potash to Mussleman Arch, the Colorado River, up Shafer's Trail to the top, then down into Pucker Pass if you have enough daylight, the road with the big rock across it.  It's the town's most popular Jeeping day-trip recommendation.  Very memorable experience, adventurous, fun & exciting, beautiful, and safe too.  You also drive along the mid-shelf of Dead Horse Point in the beginning.

You will burn less than half a tank of gas for the entire day so don't sweat that concern one bit.
1580  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: spare tire on: October 01, 2014, 01:43:51 pm
I don't know diddly squat about tires but I'll throw in one bit of info for consideration and Ron may be able to expound on it a little further. We have the sensor for our weather station stuck up in the top right corner of our rear bin. It FREQUENTLY registers over 100 degrees. I know tires can take heat but to be somewhat continuously baked might affect that tire. Ron, don't you have your weather sensor inside the spare tire cap? If so, what kind of readings do you get when you are out camping and the sun is hitting the tail of the PC?

Tire guys - would this matter?
Yes I keep the indoor thermometer's outdoor sensor in the spare tire compartment, wrapped in a rag & placed in the center tube.  The heat of the day with sun beating down, it will read a little higher than ambient, but rarely more than a few degrees.  Our cover is painted gray/silver.  Maybe it reflects the sun better than some of the other painted tire covers.

For the record, I typically keep 70-75 psi in the spare, anticipating some amount of heat build-up in there.  70-75 psi is more than any of my road tires need.  I did figure on letting out the right amount of air if gone into service.  I do consider that my spare might loose some air over time, not having enough for an actual emergency.
1581  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: spare tire on: September 30, 2014, 11:13:16 am
Welcome Back!  You have been through so much.  I hope your body is taking well to the changes.  

About the spare tire...
If the tire has always been stored in the compartment (never in service), I would "consider" extending it's usefulness beyond the 10 year period providing it still looks like brand new with no cracking or other visual concerns.  It is a spare tire after-all.  I would dedicate it for emergencies, not for regular use.

FWIW, As you might recall, our rig is stored indoors (heated garage) which has me is a unique situation.  Our 2007 E350 chassis was manufactured in April 2007 and still has all the original tires.  As of yet I have not had any of the tires off the vehicle.  I hope I can loosen the lug nuts when it's time.  I do carry a long breaker bar to slip over the tire iron for a road side emergency.  The rig has 24,000 miles now and the side walls still look new and strangely the tires still smell new as does the inside of the rig.  The tire thread all looks great with exception to some checking on the front tires from Great Plains cross-wind driving.  My first rig with a decent suspension suffered the same phenomenon so I am not concerned about it because it still has excellent contact to the pavement.  I don't plan on replacing the tires anytime soon.  I will evaluate at the 10 year mark but hope to stretch beyond.

Unfortunately, my demanding job and life mishaps get in the way of getting away.  This year 3 weeks ago, the day before we were to leave for the north-east, a bad storm ripped our large shade tree apart, throwing it 30 feet across our deck, messing up some railings and taking some deck furniture with it.  It could have been so much worse.  It has been very disappointing to change from 2 weeks east to Acadia ME, to 4 nights in Galena, IL.  My point is that the rig sits in moth balls way too much for me to consider new tires.  I wish I could talk about replacement tires.  That would mean we are using up our rig.
1582  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Disappointing gas mileage on: September 30, 2014, 09:47:14 am
Sparky, You bring up a very good topic.  Does the brand and octane of gas influence fuel economy?  I have an opinion, but will wait a bit before sharing it.
1583  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: TOWING on: September 28, 2014, 03:33:55 pm
Phoenix should be able to provide your towing limitations.  The hitch is typically rated at 5000 pounds, but the total weight of a 2350 Sprinter with a slide out, occupants & possessions "Might" dictate a lower towing limit.  But don't get uneasy from my theoretical data.  I hope other 2350 Sprinter owners will reply with favorable factual data.
1584  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Disappointing gas mileage on: September 27, 2014, 10:28:05 am
I guess maintenance means filters and oil, etc. We just changed the oil and only ran the genie for 20 - 30 minutes for maintenance. Husband says he hasn't checked the air filter, so will do that before leaving for Acadia NP this coming Sunday.  I'm guessing with traffic congestion up the east coast things will not improve. We do have the e350 with a slide.  Any other thoughts will be appreciated.
Rose & Earl ThankYou
You are very welcome!

Yep, oil & filters, proper tire inflation, etc.

I have been using 5W-20 full synthetic motor oil since the second oil change.  Around here where we live, Quaker State full synthetic can be purchased occasionally on sale with a rebate for $1.99 per quart at Menards.  That brings the cost down to regular oil.  I would like to think that full synthetic oil helps a little in fuel economy, but I can't say for certain.  It does provide me with a little more peace of mind when engine braking in the mountains, watching the tachometer get near that red mark.

Full synthetic gear oil is available for the rear axle differential.  That too might help mpg a bit.  I would not change that oil until it's time, but am planning to use full synthetic then.

I do wonder if all the mounted RV accessories, roof storage, and things some people hang on their rigs, has a measurable influence on fuel economy.  General "weight" is always a factor too.  Don't bring along heavy things that you find yourself never using......but keep the spare tire and jack.  Smile
1585  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Disappointing gas mileage on: September 26, 2014, 08:15:28 pm
Every once in a while I will read a post like yours.  I can't explain why a few people get poor mileage.  The only thing I can suggest is to do what you can with driving habits and vehicle maintenance to see if you can influence it for the better.

Do keep in-mind that some people will claim great gas mileage.  I for example could say that our rig gets between 13 & 14 mpg on the open road.  Though true in one sense, it would be very misleading to proclaim.  If we travel on a level interstate highway with no winds and nobody near us (mainly night driving) at a steady 55 mph, our ScanGauge-II will be reading about those figures.  But keeping track of miles driven and gallons of fuel purchased throughout the duration of a vacation, we calculate trip averages of 9.5 mpg when towing our Jeep Liberty, and 10.5 mpg when not.  Also remember that we live in the Chicago area so much of our driving is done in the Great Plains where better mileage is achieved.

One other influence is generator usage.  Because it uses the fuel from the main fuel tank, the more you run the generator, the lower your gas mileage will calculate.

Oh yes, if your rig is built on an E450, most people seem to drop about 1 mpg due to the change in gear ratio in the rear axle differential.
1586  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Length of 2450. Bumper to bumper on: September 23, 2014, 05:35:30 pm
Thanks! Yesterday we had a customer here at our shop with a 2010 2551 my wife and my daughter said "dad there is somebody here with a PC!!"
Wow, I had a great visit with them, very nice folks needless to say it wasn't long before I found myself standing in their coach talking about our Cruisers. Smile

Ron, we decided to get a 60" sofa instead of the 54" and also the small night stand with the lamp. We really like it for sleeping with the added 6":
Oh yes, I do see the end table tucked in there, a very nice touch with more relaxing room with the longer couch too.

I wonder if Phoenix could have a dinette option made of a table and a pair of recliners, but maybe only in a no-slide to gain enough wall space for the needed room.
1587  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Length of 2450. Bumper to bumper on: September 23, 2014, 05:23:07 pm
Oh so nice a rig you have there.

You do have me scratching my head.  I expected the slide-out to have a pantry along with the couch.  Where did the extra foot go?  Into a bigger couch?

My head gears are turning dangerously again.  I'd like that extra length to go into a longer bed for more outdoor storage, and also to work with a bigger bathroom.  I wonder if Phoenix could make the bath that much bigger.
1588  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Length of 2450. Bumper to bumper on: September 22, 2014, 12:34:34 pm
Ron ThankYou, the picture really help.My wife likes the fact that the chair swivels and reclines, looks nice. Thanks.      Bev and  Tim. Cheers
You are very welcome!

Just so you know, people with the Euro chair rave over it's comfort.  If you'll never need that seat for a 3rd passenger, you might consider the Euro chair.  It is more friendly with a slide out than without like ours.  The extra floor space created from the slide out, allows the Euro chair to be moved about the cabin.
1589  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Length of 2450. Bumper to bumper on: September 22, 2014, 08:23:46 am
I believe it was in 1984, maybe 1985 when the RV industry was required to supply seat belts for every "official" seating position inside all motor homes.  If you bought a used rig without seat belts, most likely the previous owner removed them.  All PC dinettes, couches, and fixed individual seats have seat belts.

Regarding the later day Euro chair in many newer PCs including model 2350, it is not an "official" seating position.  It is not attached to the motor home for use when the rig is in motion.  It has a simple storing clamp to prevent it from moving around while the rig is driven.  Therefore it does not have seat belts.  If considering any PC with a Euro chair, you will have to replace it with a fixed chair typically mounted on a pedestal, bolted through the floor of the motor home.  If ordering a new PC, just ask the factory to do that for you, I believe at no extra charge.  I do not recommend the low back chair called a barrel chair.  Our rig originally came with that one but I replaced it with a 3rd matching captain seat for improved comfort and safety for a 3rd passenger along with great comfort when parked.  The low back barrel chair is not good for relaxing.

Here are pictures of our 3rd occupant captain seat with seat belts.  The pedestal it mounts to swivels and slides out from the center.

In this orientation I often slide the seat forward, (away from the wall) recline and use the dinette bench seat cushion as an ottoman.


My wife demonstrating one of many positions, here to watch a movie in comfort.
When sliding the seat in this position but into the isle, that passenger can look out the front window much better.  Their feet end up in between the two front seats.


For reference, here is a Euro chair.  Note the base is a metal ring that is not attached to the floor.
This seat is NOT to be used when driving.
1590  Main Forum / Adventure Anywhere / Re: Advice on visiting Glacier National Park on: September 20, 2014, 11:13:18 pm
Regarding Bear In Glacier NP,

We had a number of bear sightings, but all in the area of Many Glaciers, and mostly along the road.  The hike to Ice Berg Lake, we saw a bear in the distance.  The trail was busy with hikers and we heard from others that the bear crossed the trail at one point.  While at Many Glaciers lodge there, we saw bear on the hills maybe a city block or two away.  Binoculars are a must for those viewings.

I would never let bear stories get in the way of enjoying a hike or other park activity.  If you want some peace of mind, buy a can of bear spray like my wife wanted.  It is extremely potent, an "X" amount of times stronger than pepper spray.  It has to be since you are spraying a cloud of it 30 feet away from you rather than a short pin-point stream like pepper spray.  Bear spray can be purchased in many area stores.  You really can't miss it.  We spend $30 or $40 on a larger can of it and always carried it when hiking.  It comes with a holster that attaches to one's belt for very easy access.

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