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1606  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Water Drain valves on 2350 on: February 19, 2011, 10:50:44 am
Ah, that makes perfect sense.  Thanks Tom for that explanation.
1607  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Water Drain valves on 2350 on: February 18, 2011, 05:44:30 pm
Tom, that would work better yet.  Good idea for the faucet plumbing

About draining all water from the entire rig.......I don't know how to completely empty the hot water tank.  When I remove the plastic hot water heater drain plug and blow out the system, there is still 1/2 gallon of water in that tank.  I know this because a year ago over the winter, I replaced my 110V heating element.  To my surprise, a lot of water came out.  I talked with the tank parts fellow who sold me the new element and he confirmed that.  He said it is a safeguard, in-case when plugged in during storage, someone accidentally turns on the 110v heating element with a dry system.  There is enough water in the tank to prevent the element from burning up.  I suppose the boiling sound would be the alarm system.
1608  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Raising Venetian blinds on: February 18, 2011, 12:58:15 pm
Yes, but first turn those blinds to the horizontal open position, because closed blinds increase resistance and is harder on the strings.  You don't want to restring them any more often than neccessary.  Use both hands, one favoring each side, and lift with an equal amount of force.  They are intentionally adjusted to be hard to get up so they don't fall down by themself.  Especially the one on the door.  You don't want it coming down inch by inch every time you slam the entry door.  Tight metal blinds also eliminates rattling.
1609  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Water Drain valves on 2350 on: February 18, 2011, 12:19:12 pm
I will mention this just to be complete about it.

I bought a cheap 99 cent blow-out plug from Wal-Mart that screws into the shore water supply fitting on the outside of the motor home.  After I let the system drain via gravity, I close all faucets, screw on that thing, and blow out anything remaining using my air compressor blow gun.  I admit barely anything more comes out, hardly worth any effort with my 2007 2350.  But other models and model years may benefit more, pending how the plumbing is routed and the slope of the parking area for your own motor home.

Here is the blow-out plug.


Here is the blow gun I use.
1610  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Water Drain valves on 2350 on: February 17, 2011, 04:02:16 pm
The two drains in the floor that are together, drains the pressured plumbing.  You open those valves and open all faucets, both hot and  cold, and don't forget the outside shower too.  Gravity drains it all.  It is for winterizing purposes.

About the fresh water tank drain, some people experience plastic debris getting into the drain and/or the pump.  The debris is "tank plastic" from when the holes were drilled to accomodate the tubes.  The factory should be better about collecting the debris before installation.  It is a common problem among many motor home manufactures.  Still there is no excuse for that.  Kinked tubes is something that shouldn't be either.  I think you can purchase spiral plastic tube stiffeners, designed to prevent tube kinking.  But I don't know where to buy them.

About the mold.  Unfortunately that is normal.  That is why we all need to following the chlorine bleach process in the owners manual, to sterilize the entire plumbing system just before your first trip of the year.  And don't forget to include the hot water tank.
1611  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Need advice on 2350 versus 2551 model. on: February 17, 2011, 12:00:25 am
I guess I better chime in.

I used to share with others how well our short 2350 without a slide, works for us.  But I wonder if sharing my experience had influenced others more than it should have.  I noticed a trend where some people bought a 2350, and then a year or two later, traded it in for a new 2551 for the ease of the beds.  That troubled me so I stopped sharing specifics with my 2350, but rather discuss PCs in general.

As for me and my wife, married 33 years and in our early 50's we could never tollerate sleeping separately.  That would make our trips unacceptable.  We would eventually be snuggled up on one of the twin beds.  But I understand others are different, especially as they get up farther in years than we are.  Getting in and out from our bed is not easy like the twin beds in the 2551.  If our garage was big enough, today I might consider a custom made no-slide rear bedroom with a walk-around double bed.  Even if the isle on each side was just 9".

I will still say we do like our dinette without a slide because the dinette is much larger than it would be if in a slide.  It has more storage below and above, it weighs less, is more quiet and warmer, and is very friendly while in transit.  As usual, you cannot sit at the dinette for hours on-end, but we couldn't do without a place to sit and eat normal, play Scrabble & other games, work a computer, etc.  It's just too critical a feature for us.  We would go looney without it.

In a 2551, you have no other house seating so having a dinette alone would be a serious problem for me.  Personally if I were to consider a 2551, I would think hard about the 2552 to get that extra seat like the 2350 has.  I would definitely order it with a 3rd captain seat, not a barrel chair.  This way you have something extremely comfortable to share.

You can see our 2007 model 2350 with dinette, no slide, and 3rd captain seat by CLICKING HERE
1612  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself! on: February 16, 2011, 11:38:31 pm
Is my signature better now?   LOL
1613  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Microwave shuts off on: February 16, 2011, 12:05:01 pm
If you have any amount of handyman skills, it would be to your advantage to resolve the little things on your own.  It is so much simpler than taking it to your local RV shop.  The factory appreciates that too.

I advise to remove the front facing screws and pull out the microwave.  Go to another power souce like your house, garage, or if on the open road, a public place, plug it in there, and see if the problem goes away.  If it works fine, then you know the trouble is with the motor home.  If the trouble persists, then it is obviously a bad microwave.  The factory would help you either way, but the more you do on your own, the faster the resolution.
1614  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself! on: February 16, 2011, 07:09:00 am
Hi Jeff and Erika,

Congratulations with Marv!  I am glad you found the forum, and hope you find it a good place to hang out.

My wife Irene and I bought our 2007 2350/Ford E350-V10 in June of 2007, so we've had ours, coming up on 4 years.  We live near Chicago, special ordered ours through a dealer in the Boston area East Acres RV, and picked up our 2350 at the factory in Elkardt, Indiana.  Talk about "Logistics", but it worked out extremely well.  At the time, Cruisers could not be purchased factory direct.  That came when the economy when down the tubes in 2008, RV dealerships across America were over stocked and couldn't sell anything, PC or otherwise, leaving PC-USA stalled dead.  So Kermit and staff decided to go "Factory Direct" as a means of survival, and continue with that tradition to this very day.

I maintained communication with PC-USA via email after my purchase, offering suggestions for things I improved upon, some of which they implemented in following model years, and some offered upon request.  When the economy tanked in 2008, I gave Kermit a call to find out how they were surviving and got the scoop on their hardship.  Being the internet junkie that I am, and my pleasure with my purchase, I decided to go into full throttle to promote the Phoenix Cruiser on RV forums.  I'd like to think I contributed in a small way to help PC-USA get through those hard times.

The design of the 2350 has changed a little since the 2007 model year, but the basic floor plan and size seems identical.  Things got mechanically rearrainged when the slideout grew to accomodate the fridge.  We decided against a slideout which is not a popular decision, but it works much better for us and our vacationing style.

If you are like me and many others, you may find a few things you'll consider improving upon.  CLICK HERE to see a number of things we did to address a few issues along with making life in our PC a more comfortable experience.

Again, welcome to the forum and the family of the Phoenix Cruiser!
1615  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Tomorrow is delivery day on: February 15, 2011, 03:47:05 am
Just curious, did you consider asking the factory if they could make a 2551 Sprinter, special for you?  It seems the 2551 is most popular, yet no Sprinter option.  Maybe it is simply too heavy for the Sprinter chassis.

I agree with your "snub nose" comment.  I always though the Ford's front styling change made in 2008 was a big mistake.  The E-series looks more like a construction vehicle than a van.  Funny that so many construction vehicles like dump trucks & tow trucks today are styled like vans.  Go figure.  Who the heck is in charge of the styling departments?   They need to flip-flop their thinking.  A truck should look like a truck, and a van should look like a van.  Soon we'll have little commuter cars that look like semi tractor trailers.  rolling on the floor
1616  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Tomorrow is delivery day on: February 14, 2011, 12:19:20 pm
Judi & George,

You will have to share your experience with the Ford chassis compared to the Sprinter chassis you gave up.  I assume the challenges with the rear corner double bed was the main reason for the switch to main isle twin beds.  Would you have gotton a Sprinter chassis if it was available for the 2551?
1617  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: help on: February 14, 2011, 02:02:26 am
That battery kill switch by the entry door should never be used when on trips, only when in storage.  That swiitch kills 12V opperations, from fridge to pump to lighting and fans.  We learned the hard way.  On our maiden voyage when ours was new, we went out for the day and I hit that switch thinking I was doing good.  Our food in the fridge suffered even though we were hooked to shore power.
1618  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: help on: February 13, 2011, 07:00:46 pm
Billy,

Both the on-board water pump and the electronics for the fridge opperate off 12v.  So the inverter shouldn't be the culprit.  Everything should work fine even with the inverter turned off dead.  At least that's how it is with my Tripp-Lite inverter.

On my 4 year old model, I have a kill-all-12v switch by the entry door.  I assume in your case, it is on or you would be saying the lights don't work either.

You've checked the obvious stuff like fuses.  I don't know what to advise other than contacting Kermit at Phoenix USA.
1619  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Battery maintenance on: February 12, 2011, 04:10:35 pm
Yes, desulfating the plates is a real thing, not a gimmick.

I used to have a battery tender until it died.  They do work well.  My replacement is a multi-stage 4 to 40 amp charger.  4 amps for monthy maintenance, and 40 amps for quick charges from the generator when on trips.  Regardless of what you get, if used outdoors, you really shouldn't leave it tending unless you are able to set it up safely from the elements and critters.
1620  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2910 Owners Opinions on: February 07, 2011, 02:20:01 pm
Yes that sounds about right.  I would NOT feel bad about that.  Getting as close to the GVWR without going over, gives you the smoothest available ride.  Have you ever rented a box truck to move someone's belongings from one house to another?  An empty truck jars you silly.  But once filled up with stuff, the ride smooths out.  But if you plan to load up your 2910 with extra people, you might have an issue.

For reference, when we bought our PC-2350/E350 in 2007, I was told the small slideout available for it back then, added about 400 pounds to the vehicle.  According to the sticker provided by Phoenix USA, our rig weighs 9200 pounds without water, our stuff and us.  We have the earlier E350 chassis so it's GVWR is 11,500 pounds.  41 gallons of water weighs around 400 pounds.  Us and our stuff combined weight is no more 600 pounds.  Maybe more like 450-500 pounds.  With no slide outs we have plenty of margin of around 1400-1500 pounds.  If we brought other people along, we'd still be loaded safe.

If my 400 pound for a tiny slide is accurate, I would assume bigger slides add maybe 500-600 pounds a piece.

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