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1621  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Cruise control on: May 31, 2013, 01:28:53 pm
Wow, I have never hear of a clockspring in a vehicle before.  It sounds like drafting shoes and night time sunglasses to me.
1622  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: New members looking for advice on: May 31, 2013, 11:16:12 am
Hi Jerry and Judy,

When talking price, that is always a topic of debate.  I suppose if it were me, I'd share with the dealer what the insurance company said, then offer $40,000 out the door with sales tax, license plates, title, and all the rest.  But that is a personal decision.

Mileage and generator usage would be of no concern to me.

A 2007 2551 is a good year to consider because you'll have the first year they made the inverter with twin batteries standard.  Only a few 2006s have that.  2007 PCs to today are pretty much the same rig with only minor deviations with exception to the slideout when in 2010 PC-USA included the fridge in it.

As far as the chassis is concerned, that 2007 2551 has the earlier E450 which I feel could be to your advantage in a strange way.  The pre 2008 E series chassis handles less of a load than the 2008-2013, but being the lightest of E450 PCs, such extra capability would only offer a rougher ride.  Of coarse there are many advantages to a 2008-2013 E450 chassis, but I am trying not to go there.
1623  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Stabilizers and Rear End Sag? on: May 31, 2013, 10:53:35 am
I got a PM from a member here who said they could only get one inch of lift on their PC from air bags.  If that is the case across the board, air bags are not worth it.

I got 3 to 4 inches on my first rig with air bags but it was not an E350/E450 chassis.
1624  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Check my understanding of battery voltage status on: May 30, 2013, 04:55:17 pm
I use a perc. coffee maker on my gas stove, told Phoenix to keep the electric pot.
But then how will Irene brew coffee while I am driving?  That is the beauty of the electric coffee maker mounted in the base cabinet.  The bonus is that the V10 engine alternator is keeping up with the demand of the 110v/850 watt drain on the batteries at all.

I had to give you a little jab there, but I get your point.  Smile
1625  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself! on: May 30, 2013, 02:35:40 pm


Most people place the garbage can under the sink in that cabinet.  But we like our coffee maker there as designed so we have a free standing can we place below the fridge in our no-slide 2350.  You get a glimps of it in this picture, the stainless steel box behind the dinette bench.

1626  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself! on: May 30, 2013, 02:31:41 pm
I understand you Bergie.  Our PC is our first fully self-contained motor home.  I had a little anxiety with it all until I started the hands-on experience.  It is NOT hard at all.

I would call the factory.  They may be able to mail or email you a copy of the owners manual.  My 2007 copy is very basic.  All it really provided was the peace of mind that I wasn't missing anything.

Sanitizing the plumbing in the spring and winterizing the plumbing and waste for cold winter is where it gets serious.  But living in a warm Arizona winter, even that is a breeze.  The rest is more straight forward and forgiving.

I use a little more bleach in the spring than recommended, closer to a half-gallon to a full water tank.  It takes some good flushing and a few days of use before the chlorine smell is near gone.  We mostly drink bottled water anyway.  Smelling like a swimming pool after the first or maybe second shower is easily tollerated.  Better safe than sorry.
1627  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Stabilizers and Rear End Sag? on: May 29, 2013, 02:52:47 pm
PCs don't have rear end sag.
Tom is correct for all but one or possibly two current day models and more earlier models.  Since the 2008 E350 came out, the sag has been reduced because the 2008 E350 chassis handles a heavier load than previous model years.  For current 2013 production, I think the rear end of a 2100 & 2400 on the E350 still may have a sagging problem.  The recent 2350 has less a problem (maybe none) because sometime in the past few years, PC-USA improved the weight distribution by rotating and moving the fresh water tank forward.

The sagging may not exist when those particular motor homes are coming off the PC production line, but rather after the owner loads the rig with personal belongings, a full tank of fuel, full tank of propane, and a full tank of fresh water.  Being that 2100s and 2400s are E350s and have the water tank over the rear bumper, the rear end starts to drop with the weight of the fresh water.  It's like putting a trailer on the rear hitch with a tongue weight of 400 pounds.  It's going to sag a little.

PC's made on the E350 chassis prior to 2008 have a more notable sagging problem because the chassis back then handled 1000 fewer pounds.  Our 2007 2350/E350 loaded for a trip has a little sag but not enough for me to do something about unless I planned to take ferries through Alaska.  Like the 2100 and 2400, our older 2350 has the fresh water tank over the rear bumper.

The most common and affordable means to eliminate a sagging rear end is the addition of rear air bags or adding one of more rear leaf springs per side.  Air bags are height adjustable.  The more air you put in, the higher the rear goes up.  But the amount of travel is limited to around 3 to 4".  At least that is what was with our first motor home.

Stabilizer bars, sway bars, and anti-sway bars are the exactly same thing going by different names.  They are used to stabilize the vehicle in winds and turns.  They reduce the amount of side-to-side lean.  They do not affect the height of the motor home.  Nor do heavy duty shocks, trac bars, or heavy duty steering stabilizers.  They only improve handling, not change the height.

CLICK HERE to see the Firestone air bags I mentioned.  The air is adjusted like a tire using the same type of valve system.  You can make them more user friendly having an on-board compressor and controls up front to adjust the air while driving.  That was the setup with our old rig.  I really liked it and used it.  I would adjust it less for a softer ride, more if more height or better handling was needed due to road conditions.

There are other air bag brands, but the Firestones seems to be the one of choice for affordability.  This based on my observation on other RV forums.
1628  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Cleaning/polishing front part of roof on: May 29, 2013, 11:44:04 am
Leaning over the water slide once a year at most, I understand this topic very well.

What would work well and look decent is a short handicap grab bar sold at Home Depot in white or stainless.  Mount it top dead center, just rear of the aero-cap .  It would be much cheaper than a new hood and ambulance ride.  My Winegard antenna serves this purpose much better than it's intended use, but I would rather have a grab bar.
1629  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Check my understanding of battery voltage status on: May 28, 2013, 12:05:15 pm
The coffee maker has no carafe.  You press your cup against the gray horizontal bar to release the coffee.  The brewed coffee is retained inside and kept hot which is good when plugged in power or on the road but bad when dry camping because if you forget to turn it off after brewing, obviously you are running down your batteries quickly.  We often brew while driving which works well because the V10 engine's 115 amp alternator keeps up with the demand.

Phoenix USA was installing this coffee maker with Corian door mount as OEM equipment but stopped for a while.  I wonder if they reinstated that feature.  Many PC owners were removing it because they wanted their garbage can in that cabinet.

We love our coffee maker setup and offered to buy one from any PC owner as a backup in case our coffee maker dies.  But nobody has yet offered to sell theirs to me.

Any sellers out there?  I really wished we had a "Barter" section.  I have other PC parts I could sell or trade.
1630  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Trick to locking the spare tire cover? on: May 28, 2013, 10:48:12 am
Yes....when locked the handle can flip up and down, but should not turn.  We all like to store the handle in the down position because it looks right.

I also noticed with our spare tire lock set, it will lock in only one of the two handle positions.  If the key won't turn,  turn the handle another half-turn.

I really love the tire storage design.  I never seen another motor home with a better setup.  Easy to get to, well protected from elements and thieves, looks great, takes no valuable space, never in the way.....a true winner.
1631  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Cleaning/polishing front part of roof on: May 28, 2013, 08:13:24 am
It is simply requires a circus act.....very hard for me.  I place a step ladder to a zero clearence to the van with towel in between to protect the paintwork, and lean over.  Eventually I will be too old and limited to do it safely.
1632  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Check my understanding of battery voltage status on: May 28, 2013, 08:01:54 am
Our 2007 has the earlier 2000 watt Tripp-Lite inverter.  I wonder if the 200 extra watts allows us to brew coffee...and brew multiple times.  But maybe it's the coffee maker that came with our rig which I just checked to be rated at 850 watts.  This is the coffee maker.
1633  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Problems with Norcold refrigerator door on: May 27, 2013, 07:26:11 pm
Unfortunately that sums it up.

You would think these types of problems with any product would have long ago been learned and avoided.  

If it is anything like the place I work at, they lay off the experienced and put the inexperienced into positions of making bad decisions to reduce cost.  Sometimes it's a poor redesign.  Sometimes it's a bad supplier of raw material or subassemblies.  The specs are documented and agreed by low-bid Asian subcontractors, but after a while, the material or products delivered drift out of spec.

It is very sad.  I wished Norcold would wake up on this one.  Maybe we'll get lucky and an entrepreneur will redesign and manufacture the door hinge area and offer lifetime replacements for existing customers as well as the OEM supplier to Norcold.
1634  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: BATHROOM MAT AND RUG PROJECT on: May 26, 2013, 02:05:45 am
Nicely done! Wink
1635  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: We're happy with our new 2350 on: May 25, 2013, 02:45:29 am
How often do you usually use your charger unit while out camping?  At what battery level do you think it's best to start the recharge?  Where is the negative cable from your charger unit connected?
The negative battery cable from the charger is connected to one of the two negative battery terminals.  In the picture, the battery tray happened to be partially open, not fully open, so that connection is not in view.

About your other questions.  Keep in-mind we have the earlier 2000 watt Tripp-Lite inverter and two 12v batteries, so what I share next might be different for you.

I don't use the battery meter above the stove, only the Tripp-lite meter below.  But even that one is not precise enough for me.  Actually we have to watch that meter closely because once the yellow light alone goes on, it's time for charging.  If I wait much longer, we could have dead batteries by morning, especially if running the furnace during the night.  With dead batteries it gets serious because the fridge is dead.

I have learned to shut off the inverter using the switch on the inverter itself, when we don't need inverted 110v.  This because the inverter uses 12 amp hours whether you use 110v or not so shutting it down saves a lot of battery reserves.  If you want to shut the inverter by the entry door, that kills 12v to everything including the fridge so that's not a good plan.

Because we most exclusively camp without hookups, and we tow a vehicle, the motor home can sit for a number of days at a time without being driven.  Then we become completely dependent on charging the house batteries off the generator.  Without our 4/10/20/40 amp charger, the generator would have to run for over 24 hours before our batteries would get fully charged after a complete draining.  And we really don't like running the generator because of the noise, so I try to keep the run times as short as possible.

With well charged batteries, we use the inverter generously for watching TV, making coffee, and charging electronics.  When we see an upcoming power shortage, we'll watch TV in bed off the lower power TV set, and make coffee with the generator running for just long enough.  On a weekend getaway without hookups, we don't give the batteries any thought because the trip starts out with a full charge.  But when out for 3 weeks, we have to watch our power because a full charge is rarely accomplished.  Sometimes we'll run the generator for an hour per day to keep up with power needs, using my own charger on the 40 amp setting.  Without my own charger, I would have to run the Ford V10 engine because that is the next best charger.....maybe even the best charger at a high idle condition.....that would be where a stick could be used between the driver seat and gas pedal.  But I find using my own charger working better for us.

Because most RVers drive to places where there are hookups, they rarely find themselves in our predicament.  Even those who don't hook up but drive their rig everywhere (no tow vehicle) have no such concerns because driving the rig takes care of the batteries nicely.

Sorry for the long read.
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