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1636  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used. on: March 18, 2012, 03:21:35 pm
Our first motor home Here was a one piece like Coach House, but much simpler and used low grade finish materials.  Brand new it cost us $12,225 in 1983.  Strangely enough, I still dealt with a little water getting inside.  Most got in from the dual hindging rear wall & door, some from around the marker lights and some around the windows.  The one piece shell suffered from a few stress cracks, but never was structural nor involved concern for water.

Very few 2350s with a fixed dinette (no-slide) exist.  Nearly all have a sofa in a slideout as it is quite the popular choice.
My wife and I have to be the odd-balls in our thinking.  You should see our regular house.  We designed a one-of-a-kind.

The relative height of the TV is notably higher in a Sprinter than in either Ford given the driver's cab ceiling height is significant higher.  PC-USA compensates by using a taller B+ cap on the Ford, and a low profile version on the Sprinter.  Of coarse, the cabinets on each side of the TV are smaller.  I personally don't see any of this being significant.  Just noting the minor differences for the discussion.  Some would say the improved head room the Sprinter's front cab is better at opening it up for living room space.

1637  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used. on: March 17, 2012, 10:24:01 am
...any idea why it is not available at the PC website?
I would assume because it is outdated.
1638  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used. on: March 16, 2012, 10:18:16 pm
One thing I'd really like to see is the PC "virtual construction tour" mentioned in the PC brochure.  I've checked the PC website but didn't see anything like that.  If you or someone else could give me a link I'd really appreciate it.
The original virtual tour is a many slide PowerPoint presentation with sound narration that runs around 14.5 minutes.
I got a fairly clean copy of it over 4 years ago but can't share it due to it's 72MB size.
You can watch a technically ill (poor sound and smaller pictures) copy of it on Youtube HERE
Understand that the presentation was made to demonstrate the 2008 model year so there are some superficial differences between 2008 and 2012.
1639  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Sorry on: March 16, 2012, 04:11:48 pm
Same here.  I have to get better at marking helpful things with my appreciation.
1640  Main Forum / Photos / Re: Scenic Pictures With Our 2007 2350 on: March 15, 2012, 10:36:03 am
---and then you'll want/desire/need/must have that pc for yourself, and wind up owning it.
That is a concern of mine.  But our garage has a length limit of exactly 25'-0" so anything longer and I'll be storing it off-site.......sort of a built-in safe guard.

BTW: Thanks lmichael for the compliments.
It's not a fancy camera either, just an 8MP 12X Canon Powershot S5 IS that we paid $150 which included a printer.....a "previous model liquidation sale" at the time.
It's all about the moment, backdrop, lighting, angle, and always the distance.  Get far away and let the zoom do a nice job.  The closer you get, the more "fish-eye" your subject becomes.
1641  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: High sided on: March 14, 2012, 12:21:04 pm
In regards to "Level", it is a technical concern when the rig is being driven, not when parked.  So you want to be examining a "Lean" when the slideout is retracted.

A lean can easily be introduced or removed depending on how much fresh water or sewage is in the tanks.  A full 38-46 gallon PC fresh water tank (compared to empty) can add well over 300 pounds, half the weight of a slide out.  And the fresh tank is most often place against a side wall.  The larger waste tank holds 35 gallons and I recall it most often favors the driver/rear.

I would examine a rig as it would be driven with the slide out pulled in, waste tanks dumped, and fresh tank filled, just as most people do when moving on to their next destination.
1642  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used. on: March 14, 2012, 01:15:59 am
I'm torn about the ladder -- you and Gradygal both make good points.  Offhand I'd say that if the main reason you leave it off is cosmetic.
The clean appearence is secondary.  We plan to own our rig for a very long time, 25-30 years, maybe longer.  When I examine older motor homes, that stuff becomes questionable whether it can be trusted.  Rusting screws, heavily oxidized aluminum parts and related hardware along with dried-up caulk is concerning both on the rear wall and roof where water penetration becomes a concern.  I feel the fewer holes in my roof and wall, the better.  Admittedly I have much larger holes like for the a/c, skylight and roof vents and such, but the roof rack, ladder and Winegard antenna are easy for me to delete.  And for some reason, old screws are a common source of water infiltration.

As mentioned by Gradygal, there will be a time where I'll wish I had the ladder on-the-spot......especially if my rig gets tangled up in branches or something.  But I will take my chances.  Hey, I still have my ladder & rack.  I can still mount them if I change my mind.  If I ever do, I would likely install just the ladder.

Every now and then someone donates an old motor home to the charity I volunteer at.  Those with ladders demonstrates to me I made a wise decision.
1643  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used. on: March 13, 2012, 04:11:17 pm
I need to disagree with Ron on a couple of  his suggestions:

.......we had the ladder and roof rack installed and are VERY glad we did.

.......We frequently stay at a Corps of Engineers Park near Ft. Myers and use the antenna to pick up Ft. Myers stations.
And there you have your different opinions.

About the antenna, we too have the booster yet have very limited use.  I suppose a lot depends on the types of places travelled to.  We do stay most often in the mountains and canyons where line-of-sight is dramatically disrupted, then the antenna isn't going to work.  Analog signals found their way around such obstacles much better.  And we could deal with a little snow on the screen much better than the sound cutting in and out with digital.  In Florida the only obstruction would be something man-made which is much more forgiving.  Admittedly, we very rarely camp under those types of conditions.
1644  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used. on: March 13, 2012, 01:56:13 pm
Given my unit is now 5 years old, I cannot address many of your questions without potential inaccuracies.  Hopefully someone with a 2012 Sprinter will chime in.

PC-USA introduced the Sprinter chassis in the 2009 model year.

In 2008-2009 when motor home manufactures were going bankrupt in droves, Phoenix bought up may 2008 Sprinter chassis at RV bankruptcy auctions.  The company then offered Sprinter PCs for the same price as their Ford versions.  It helped the company survive through a very difficult time in our economy, and it gave PC-Sprinter owners an exceptional value.  Everybody came out a winner.

So if you consider purchasing a 2009 or 2010 Sprinter based PC-2350 or PC-2400, chances are it has a 2008 Sprinter chassis.

The plastic fluted underbelly is "Fantastic".  Every motor home manufacture should have it.  That thick bonded-to-the-floor corregated plastic sheet protects the flooring from the elements, along with adding a little extra thermal protection in winter.  Somebody on the web actually put it down as some sort of cheap construction method.  Obviously he had no idea what he is talking about.

I like your ideas on options and features.  We got the same (though a gas generator) and highly recommend you consider them.

A couple things I would consider deleting.
- Leave off the rear ladder and roof rack (a very personal preference)  others will argue otherwise.  I required they give it to me in pieces so if I change my mind later, I have everything I need.  So far no regrets.
- Forget the Winegard antenna as I find it useless where needed most, outside of towns.  If near a city, the digital signal is too touchy with lots of sound cut-out and pixelation.  It works inside a city where you are forced to stay in RV parks which all have CATV.  So we never use the antenna.  Then adding that it puts so many holes into the front B+ aero-cap wiith lots of ugly caulk, and it likes to rattle when in transit.  It's just a bad thing to have since the country went "digital".  I wish I knew better, and refused it in 2007 when analog was still in-place.  I would pay PC-USA to keep it next time, if there was a next time.
1645  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself! on: March 10, 2012, 12:04:37 pm
As lghjr alluded to, do you travel with the bathroom window or roof vent open a crack?  The sewer gas going out the roof vent might be whipping around, getting sucked into the bathroom through an opening.  It is a common problem with RVs in general.  People make the mistake of keeping something open to let in fresh air when they should be locking down the room.  If you normally leave something open when in transit, close it all up and see if your problem goes away.  Also make sure your shower and sink traps are full of water.

The instinct is to open something when the opposite should be practiced.  We learned that ourselves.  Yes the bath gets nice and hot too, but at least it doesn't stink of sewer gas.
1646  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Question for 3100 owners on: March 09, 2012, 01:14:49 pm
After 55 years we still want to share a bed...we may have two dogs and a cat between us...but we're all still there!
Marilyn & Paul  Yahoo!
We are quite far behind you with only 34 years married.  I do undersatnd about the issues that come with age as Aimee outlined because we deal with a few of them already.  But my wife and I think alike on this one.  We hope never the need to resort to separate beds.
1647  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: modifications on: March 09, 2012, 12:33:59 pm
New, not so new, older, real old, lightly used, well used, very used, we are all family here.  Welcome!

Glad to read on a continuing basis that the factory helps out new owners purchasing older units.......without gouging them.

Us insiders already know this, but it says a lot to anyone on the outside who is considering a new or used PC.
1648  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Question for 3100 owners on: March 09, 2012, 08:18:41 am
I am "Taken Back" by all the interest in sleeping in separate the Peteries did in the 60's.
1649  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Water Heater on: March 08, 2012, 06:34:11 pm
Thanks for the "Heads-Up" lmichael.
1650  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Installing an inverter on a 2002 PC 2550 on: March 08, 2012, 05:13:45 pm
Nice to see you chiming in now and then Stuart.
One would have to be quite determined and also electrically skilled to retrofit their older non-invertor rig to the later full-inversion.
Placing a second battery near the first one yet in an easy-to-access area could also be challenging.
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