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1636  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Water Accumulator Tank on: March 10, 2011, 10:40:37 pm
I'm glad it all worked out well for you Larry.  It really does make a huge difference for the better.
1637  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Newer Ford Center Console For 2007-2008 on: March 09, 2011, 12:25:51 pm
I just got off the phone with Kermit, so here is the scoop for us with any Ford chassis older than a 2009, who would like to consider having the newest center console.

Our old style 4-cup holder design is interchangable with the latest 2-cup & lots of storage design.  Kermit mounted a 2011 onto a dark gray 2006 and said it is a perfect fit.  There are number of unrelated issues outlined here.
1) A newer tan color is likely NOT the same shade as the older tan color of the 2007 and 2008 model years (but it might be a good compliment)
2) The cost of a new tan console is $184 direct from Ford
3) Cost of adding the wood grain is $64 (this is a dipping process done at a supplier of Phoenix)
4) Total cost including shipping would be around $264 (that is a lot for a nicer console)

For you with the 2006 or older dark gray console, you have it much easier and cheaper because you can buy a new console off eBay $50, have it shipped from the eBay seller direct to Phoenix USA, and Kermit will send it out for dipping the woodgrain $64, and then ship it to you $16.

I will see if I can find a tan console in a local junk yard to reduce the $184 purchase price down I hope to around $40 or less.
1638  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Newer Ford Center Console For 2007-2008 on: March 08, 2011, 02:46:26 pm
Ron, in the very upper left corner of the console there is a small round (holder) of sorts, has a lid and inside a small protrusion. Do you know what this is?
It is an ashtray.

Share those pics once your work is done!
1639  Main Forum / General Discussion / Newer Ford Center Console For 2007-2008 on: March 08, 2011, 10:09:39 am
Looking at the new 2009-2011 Ford chassis interiors on PhoenixUSA's website, I really like the improvements Ford made with the center console cup-holder & storage.  My 2007 has the older design with 4 cup holders but no top trays.  The newer design has 2 cup holders and very nice top trays and also has an extra side bin by the passenger.  I'd really want that new console for my 2007, but I first need some questions answered.

1) Are the two center console designs interchangeable?  I think they are.
2) Is the main tan color of the newer Ford design, the same as the older 2007-2008 design?  I think it is.
3) If #1 and #2 are "YES" will PhoenixUSA sell me a cherry finish center console?  I hope so.

I emailed the factory and am waiting for their reply.

For you with a Ford chassis older than a 2007, you have the dark gray console, right?  You can buy dark gray with black top tray areas for around $50 on ebay.  They are new take-offs.

Here is my older 2007 design.

Here is the newer 2009-2011 design.
1640  Main Forum / Adventure Anywhere / Re: Nova Scotia on: March 07, 2011, 05:39:01 am
My brother and his wife ferried through lower Alaska with their 21 foot Starflyte.  They had a rear hitch rack.  The rack came off to save big by-the-foot money.

Another problem they were faced with regularly was the difference in height between the pier and the ferry.  Pending tidal conditions, the angle of approach had them scraping the rear of the motor home, doing damage to things more than once.  You might want to invest in those rear end protecting wheel thingies to prevent damage to things like your mascerator pump.
1641  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Water Accumulator Tank on: March 07, 2011, 05:28:06 am
Email me direct at and I will send you the details and pictures of the "cheap" one I installed in my 2007 2350.  It works extremely well.

I understand there is a new type of pump that goes on and stays on while water is running, then shuts off when water is not.  It seems another good choice.  A couple PC owners have them.  Hopefully they will comment.

Regardless of which pump, most of the noise is related to "Direct Hook-Up Plumbing".  Having a flex-line between the pump and the RV plumbing significantly dampens the vibration sound, making the pump action very quiet.  The most common flex lines are the stainless steel braided type used to hook up house toilets and sinks.

Here are a some pictures of what I had done in 2007, working perfect to this very day.

Though nothing has ever been trouble with my $20 tank and installation, I kind-of wished I spent the money on an accumulator with feet for a cleaner installation.
1642  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Monitor Extension on: March 06, 2011, 10:52:12 am
For Reference
1643  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Reserving camp sites on: March 06, 2011, 05:46:21 am
In the 33 years we've camped, we have reserved only once when we traveled with others to assure we can camp together at Rocky Mountain National Park.  We do reserve for weekends at local state parks for family reunions too.

Our normal vacationing style without reservations usually has us staying in primitive camp grounds, but always accepted for the care-free style we enjoy.  And to be honest, we enjoy the primitive camp grounds better.  They offer nicer sites with space in between, are more heavily forested, and often offer camp-side streams, rivers, or grand views.  Oh, and they are much cheaper too.  Here is an example at a cheap BLM site on the Colorado River in a desert region in SE Utah.

With the PC, primitive camping works much better for us than our old motorhome did as it was not self contained.
1644  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Electric sofa/bed question on: March 06, 2011, 05:36:10 am
I wonder if either sofa bed would fit through the entry door.
1645  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: RV Covers on: March 04, 2011, 02:31:05 pm
Have either of you looked into indoor storage?  I am sure it's costly, but if it's only for a portion of the year, it may be worth the expense to protect your investment.

We keep our 2007 indoors when not traveling, and it really does still look brand new.  Even the roof caulk stays clean and soft.
1646  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Roof cracks on: March 04, 2011, 02:27:27 pm
Well stated!
1647  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Roof cracks on: March 04, 2011, 12:53:58 pm

If the roof is in-fact sagging, you are right to contact the factory.  See what  they say.  The phone number is on their website.  Don't call Stuart's number, but the other one posted I think is the number 574-266-2020 and ask to speak with Kermit.

One bit of with Kermit, not against him.  There is a PC owner (Tom & Betsy on SmugMug)  who was a real son of a gun with Kermit to the point Kermit couldn't communicate with the fellow.  That fellow Tom wouldn't give Kermit a change to help, instead put together a Phoenix bashing website and all.  He burned himself instead of getting help.  That was not smart at all.

Just me thinking here, I would expect Kermit to tell you to take your PC to your local RV fix-it shop for an inspection on what happened, then go from there.  In the mean time to protect your rig until then, I would get ductape or something removable to temporarily seal it.
1648  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Roof cracks on: March 04, 2011, 06:24:24 am
I would say that is definitely a problem.  It appears the factory failed to apply enough caulk at the seam there.  Being that you own a 2011 model year, it would be covered under warranty, and you should be able to take the RV to your local RV repair center and get refunded for the expense.  But call the factory first after you email them your pictures.

I myself would email the pictures to the factory and ask for a tube of that exact same caulk, clean the area real good with laquer thinner and apply the right amount myself.  Done quicker than taking it in, and done right too.  Plus you'd have more caulk for later after the warranty, and also knowing what caulk to get later if it gets too old to use.
1649  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Newbie: And I'd like some advice (Thanks in advance!!) on: March 01, 2011, 11:37:07 pm
But to get a PC with a queen size bed you can walk around means at least a 29 footer, right?   Or are there other options we need to look for?
Hi GordonH,  If you are very good at floorplan design, I advise you sketch something up, a short motorhome with a walk-around queen bed, present it to Kermit Fisher (the fellow who owns Phoenix USA) and see if they can make you something special.  They have done that before, just recently, creating model 2552 for someone at a cost premium over the standard 2551 of $3000.  The factory is more creative during the November/December time of year as that is their slowest time in filling orders.

I do think the shortest walk-around queen bed offered today is 29'-8".

I've wondered if they could make a short rear queen bed model, starting with a 2700, delete the rear slide, and place a queen bed in the space of the double bed.  Yes the one person would have to climb over the other like is done in the 2350, but at least offering a huge open area to easily manuver in.  That takes off 2'-7" in over-all length, getting it down to 27'-1" long.

Model 2700
1650  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Water Drain valves on 2350 on: March 01, 2011, 01:09:38 pm

If nobody gives you the answer you are looking for with your model 3100, try this.  If you are nimble enough to crawl under your rig, look for a pair of rubber or plastic drain tubes that come out from the floor and hang down maybe 6" or so.  That would help you figure out where the drain valves, are as the tubes hang directly below the valves inside.

Don't confuse the pair with the single tube that drains the fresh water tank.
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