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1666  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Question for 3100 owners on: March 01, 2012, 05:40:47 pm
Interesting that the factory closed off that bench storage on you.  Like you say, maybe it houses too much infrastructure equipment.

Our front dinette has that power outlet, the power transfer switch, and the subwoofer.  The bench is accessible from the side and above for stuff to be dumped all around and on top of them.  Even with the obstacles, the storage is still well utilized.  BTW: our older model has no drawers.  That came standard a year or two later.
1667  Main Forum / Polls / Re: Toads or tow vehicles? What brand do you use? on: March 01, 2012, 05:23:04 pm
No Ron, I have not initially set up a secondary braking system but I definitely know there is something else attached to the RV. Have only driven it back from the shop to home (~15mi) & consciously maintained a greater distance for stopping although it did not appear to need it.  That being said, I keep a pretty safe stopping distance anyway so I may already be overly cautious (is there such a thing?)

Tow bar appears to be extremely close to horizontal; definitely well within the 3" limit expressed in the manufacturer brochure (I think they actually say 4" but the shop went even lower).  I think the dual hitch actually helped that as the Fit is fairly low to the ground in front.  Remains to be seen how everything works in unison when I try the tow bar & bike rack together later this month when I travel to Sonoita/Bisbee.
It sounds like you are better set up than we were without secondary braking for our little MR2 Spyder, given your light 2552 and newer E450 with the improved brakes introduced in 2008.  I would like to say you are all done, but you will know better after conditions test your setup.  Increased braking distance is certain.  Just be extra careful the first time you decend a 7% grade for the next 10 miles on a snaking byway with cliffs abound.  We decended out the north east road from Yosemite with the 2100 pound MR2 in-back pushing hard, my wife almost wetting her pants.....and me too.  We would have gone over the edge if not for the HD sway bars, rear trac bar, Koni Shocks, Safe-T-Plus, etc.  Being in low gear helped until we'd get close to red lining the tachometer which then forced us to brake hard and often.
1668  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Question for 3100 owners on: March 01, 2012, 04:14:42 pm
Funny you mentioned that gophoenix.  We too experienced the same with ours 4 years ago....the hidden outlet in the front dinette bench.  I discovered it when putting stuff inside the bench compartment wondering what's that electrical box sticking inside the compartment.  Unfortunately, ours does not run off the invertor.....only shore and generator powered.  It would have been nice when using a laptop on the table.
1669  Main Forum / Polls / Re: Toads or tow vehicles? What brand do you use? on: March 01, 2012, 04:08:21 pm
Picked up the Honda Fit from Cliff's Welding in Mesa, AZ last week & hooked up the Blue Ox bar, elec & safety cables to it.  We had the split hitch installed so we can try out the bike rack in the top portion.  The 2552 is a bit more sluggish - but that is to be expected I guess.  All things considered, we're still doing fine & are comfortable with the ride.

1) Did you setup your Honda Fit with a secondary braking system, if so, what type?  If not, what is your comfort factor with the increased braking distance?  Or do you even notice an increase?
2) Is your tow bar horizontal, or at an angle between the motor home and the Fit, especially with the dual hitch adaptor?
1670  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Question for 3100 owners on: February 29, 2012, 11:24:07 pm
Back to the initial question.

I own an older smaller 2350, so you need to consider my opinion from a different perspective.  I would not normally reply except for the topic of a seat in between the entry door and the passenger seat.

Put plain and simple.....we really find this seat comfortable for relaxiation, watching television, and yet offer a 3rd very comfortable seat for another passenger who can recline, relax, and look over the shoulder of the front people out the front window as shown here.  We don't have a 3rd passenger that often, but when we do, they are so grateful to have that seat instead of the seat that originally came with the rig.

The pics below show the seat in various positions including a passenger (my wife) belted in, simulating transit.

Original Seat

1671  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Towed vehicle - question on: February 29, 2012, 08:51:14 pm
Level hitch is very important, no doubt.
When I read this, a lightbulb went off inside this aging brain of mine.

Why would the bar being level, be of such great importance?

I assumed it had only to do when braking hard, having the front of the tow vehicle lifting, especially if going over a really big bump in the road.  But now I think there is a bigger reason.  I think it has to do with "bucking" that would be significantly amplified when the tow bar is at an angle.

Level = no bucking even when the motor home and tow vehicle are not bouncing in unison.

Angled Tow Bar = Lots-Of-Bucking, pushing the tow vehicle forward-backward with every unequal motion between vehicles.  If the motor home's rear bouces downward while the tow vehicle bounces upward, the bar at an angle greatly changes the horizontal distance between the two vehicles which would cause the bucking.  It's not much, but enough to feel it.

How's that logic?
1672  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Troubleshooting electrical problems in rear camera hookup on: February 29, 2012, 07:25:36 pm
Thanks for the link.  That looks real slick.  But I do understand the complaint about it being on the small side.  It is hard to say which is preferered.

1673  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Troubleshooting electrical problems in rear camera hookup on: February 29, 2012, 02:19:14 pm
Our 2011 PC 2350 has the backup camera, with sound, integrated with the backup mirror.  Unfortunately, it is not parked at our house, or I would take a picture.  We are pleased with it being one unit rather than 2 separate pieces.  We don't have problems with bumping into it.  We don't have problems "seeing" it.  We feel it functions fine for us.  We actually were very happy when we picked it up to see it was "all in one".  We never had it separate- so it might just be a case of what one gets used to.
  I would love to see a pic of the backup mirror turned on.  Maybe someone else has a pic.  Maybe PC-USA has a pic of it shown for one of their models. 

So yours has sound too?  Nice that you have that.  Is the speaker in the mirror as well?
1674  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Troubleshooting electrical problems in rear camera hookup on: February 29, 2012, 01:32:29 pm
I never knew the backup camera later got integrated into the rear view mirror.  Ours is mounted in front of it but higher and though it is a very nice size, somehow my head finds it when getting in and out from the driver seat.  Given the mirror does no good except for monitering indoor activities, I contemplated mounting the camera where the mirror is today to get it out of the way of my head.

Are there any pictures on the Phoenix website of the camera-in-mirror?.  I am curious what it looks like.

Here is mine, a 2007 model with sound.
1675  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: is it now lost on: February 29, 2012, 01:24:00 pm
It happens.  I have learned to copy my message into the buffer, then hit the send button.  It used to happen regularly, but Aimee fixed it.  When logging in, you MUST select the "Always Stay Logged In button.  Otherwise you time out and don't realize it until.........
1676  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Towed vehicle - question on: February 27, 2012, 10:31:03 pm
I wonder what the deal is.  It sounds like everything should be in fine order.  The next step would seem to be a rear trac bar.

One cheap addition we recently added was one of these which eliminated the play between the tow bar and hitch that had developed over the miles.  Though I don't think it will address your concerns, it surely can't hurt to try it.  It really helped us this last vacation with the bucking that was going on under certian conditions.
1677  Main Forum / Links and Contacts / Re: Product Contacts on: February 27, 2012, 11:45:18 am
Barry-Sue......    Hug
1678  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Halftime Oven Door Cleaning on: February 27, 2012, 11:36:34 am
Boy, that sounds like a P.I.T.B.  It's a kitchen appliance for Pete's sake.  I am surprised to hear of that cleaning requirement.
We have the older Sharp (I think it's a Sharp) and we wipe it down with whatever means is handy, wash cloth, paper towels & class cleaner, etc.  No swirl marks.
1679  Main Forum / Polls / Re: Any pets travel with you? on: February 22, 2012, 02:01:36 pm
We had a female cat for 17 years but she never travelled with us.  We currently have no pets.
1680  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: How does your PC ride? on: February 22, 2012, 01:19:16 pm
BandD, Try these experiments.

Stand in the back of your 2007 2350 just forward of the bed, face forward and see if you can rock the rig side to side.  Make sure it is not closely parked to a wall or tree or something.  How successful are you?

While driving at about 20 -25mph, pretend a child just darted out into the street and do a quick maneuver, quick-left, quick-right, quick straight.  Do it with someone in back to observe what happens.  Does the rig tip and tilt with the rear all over the road?  Are you able to maintain good control?  Try it again, the 2nd time brake hard while doing that.

Have someone in back while in a tight 180 degree turn in a parking lot.  Maybe have them do it while you are outside observing.  Does the rear of the rig lean hard while in the turn?

A rig leaning very hard means one pair of rear wheels has very little load, and the other pair is over-loaded.  That in itself is not the concern.  The concern is braking hard under this condition.  You need your brakes to do their best under the worst of circumstances.

Picture yourself winding down a canyon byway applying the brake while taking the turns.  Imagine yourself misjudging a sharp curve causing you to slam the brakes.  You get the picture.  You want all 6 tires firmly planted while braking hard in sharp turns.  Don't say you don't drive that way.  Your day will come when you misjudge a tight turn with steep drop-offs abound.  The condition is agravated further with a tow vehicle.

Even if you only add a rear heavy duty sway bar to your older chassis lacking any type of rear bar, that will have the greatest impact.  But I would not stop there.

My brother with his little 21' Starflyte on a 1998 E350 swore his rig handled fine.  I convinced him to invest in a rear HD sway bar anyway.  Afterward he said it was miraculous.  He had no idea it could improve so much.  I never could convince him to invest further.....especially replacing his front sway bar with worn out bushings.
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