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1681  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Halftime Oven Door Cleaning on: February 27, 2012, 11:36:34 am
Boy, that sounds like a P.I.T.B.  It's a kitchen appliance for Pete's sake.  I am surprised to hear of that cleaning requirement.
We have the older Sharp (I think it's a Sharp) and we wipe it down with whatever means is handy, wash cloth, paper towels & class cleaner, etc.  No swirl marks.
1682  Main Forum / Polls / Re: Any pets travel with you? on: February 22, 2012, 02:01:36 pm
We had a female cat for 17 years but she never travelled with us.  We currently have no pets.
1683  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: How does your PC ride? on: February 22, 2012, 01:19:16 pm
BandD, Try these experiments.

Stand in the back of your 2007 2350 just forward of the bed, face forward and see if you can rock the rig side to side.  Make sure it is not closely parked to a wall or tree or something.  How successful are you?

While driving at about 20 -25mph, pretend a child just darted out into the street and do a quick maneuver, quick-left, quick-right, quick straight.  Do it with someone in back to observe what happens.  Does the rig tip and tilt with the rear all over the road?  Are you able to maintain good control?  Try it again, the 2nd time brake hard while doing that.

Have someone in back while in a tight 180 degree turn in a parking lot.  Maybe have them do it while you are outside observing.  Does the rear of the rig lean hard while in the turn?

A rig leaning very hard means one pair of rear wheels has very little load, and the other pair is over-loaded.  That in itself is not the concern.  The concern is braking hard under this condition.  You need your brakes to do their best under the worst of circumstances.

Picture yourself winding down a canyon byway applying the brake while taking the turns.  Imagine yourself misjudging a sharp curve causing you to slam the brakes.  You get the picture.  You want all 6 tires firmly planted while braking hard in sharp turns.  Don't say you don't drive that way.  Your day will come when you misjudge a tight turn with steep drop-offs abound.  The condition is agravated further with a tow vehicle.

Even if you only add a rear heavy duty sway bar to your older chassis lacking any type of rear bar, that will have the greatest impact.  But I would not stop there.

My brother with his little 21' Starflyte on a 1998 E350 swore his rig handled fine.  I convinced him to invest in a rear HD sway bar anyway.  Afterward he said it was miraculous.  He had no idea it could improve so much.  I never could convince him to invest further.....especially replacing his front sway bar with worn out bushings.
1684  Main Forum / Adventure Anywhere / Re: Elkhart - Things To Do on: February 22, 2012, 01:00:18 pm
I have been thinking about going to Elhart just to see what the home of the RV industry, at least in better times, looks like.  Jerry
Try Google Earth, with an occasional  "street view".  You can pretend you are driving right past the PC factory.  Google Earth with it's many cool features is absolutely free.

Too bad Kermit, Stuart, and the entire PC team was not outside waving at the G.E. vehicle when it drove past taking the pictures.  If you go there through G.E. today, there is not one PC or cut-away chassis parked anywhere outside.  No employee vehicles either.  Must have been a sunny Sunday.
1685  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Troubleshooting electrical problems in rear camera hookup on: February 21, 2012, 12:58:08 pm
We have the 2007 model of the backup camera, brand unknown.  It's been reliable except for the sound which sometimes stops working when wet.  I assume a drop of water covers over the microphone.  When dry, it consistently works fine.  I don't consider it a failure.  More like a design flaw of the camera assembly itself.  It is irritating because I rely heavily on my wife's verbal instructions when backing up.  She stands back there saying "left, right stop".  When working, the sound is extremely sensitive.  She can almost whisper instruction which is real handy when pulling in late at night.

I heard the newer back up camera does not have sound.
1686  Main Forum / Polls / Re: Toads or tow vehicles? What brand do you use? on: February 20, 2012, 01:03:06 pm
Kind of narrowed down our toad selection to a Honda Fit (light, possibly no brake assist, good mpg)
We towed a 2100 pound Toyota MR2 Spyder and considered it "Getting By" without brake assist with our 2007 E350 chassis.  Given you have the newer E450 chassis with bigger brakes and more powerful brake booster, and have a relatively light motor home for an E450 chassis, I anticipate you would feel better yet.  Just don't load up the Fit with heavy least not until after your first road trip.
1687  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Showers on: February 19, 2012, 04:42:16 pm
bigbadjc and lghjr, I think you are onto something.

What comes to mind is to cut the shower wall along the bottom where the shower pan meets it.  I would place a metal shield of some sort to protect the pan itself while cutting.  I would start with an 1/8" thick cut, the thickness of some saw blades.  Place shims where you just cut to prevent the wall from dropping until after the rest of the cut is finished.  The rippled wall panel could simply drop and straighten out closing the 1/8" gap.  Then caulk it to seal which would also act as an adhesive for the wall.  If done cleanly, you'd never know it was done.

It is hard to recommend anything without first studying some pictures.
1688  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Showers on: February 17, 2012, 11:13:05 pm
Our shower enclosure always seemed to give a little more than the other walls do, but buckling/rippling...I cannot say I have experienced that.

Just throwing something way out there.  If you leaned exceptionally hard against one of the wall panels, maybe it moved at the top or bottom, getting hung up on adjacent panels.  Maybe if you push in at the top or bottom, it will pop back flat.  Like I say, "Way Out There". 
1689  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Towing Dinghys on: February 17, 2012, 08:45:27 pm
Barry, With my Liberty weighing a "corrected" 4300 pounds  Cry before I add all the extras like tow bars, rear hitch, bikes and rack, golf clubs, etc, etc., I still would not exceed 5000 pounds.  But your comment is well noted.  If considering a heavier vehicle yet, then adding all that extra stuff, it could exceed the limit.
1690  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Electric sofa/bed question on: February 17, 2012, 08:38:32 pm
Hey DJM,  That is a very nice rig.  I have a question about it.  I noticed the rear outdoor storage under the bed is reconfigured differently than mine from 2007.  I see the furnace exhaust under the bed and the fresh water filler next to that.  Is the furnace under the bed?  Is the fresh water tank laying front-to-back, behind the storage area's back wall?

I did not realize Phoenix moved the fresh water tank and furnace from my days.  My furnace is under the fridge and my water tank is laying left to right over the rear bumper (not ideal for weight distribution when filled up).  I suppose the furnace got relocated when the fridge was included in the slideout.
1691  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Batteries on: February 17, 2012, 07:43:16 pm
Our 2007 model with Tripp-Lite inverter has a current draw as well with everything turned off.  Interesting comment about the detectors.  I never thought of that.  Though I store the motor home inside a garage with electricity, I do not plug into 120V.  I disconnect the RV batteries, but not the chassis battery.  Once every couple months I put all batteries on a smart charger, 4 amp setting.

I learned something with my original Phoenix supplied batteries.  After the second season, I was getting boil-over and wondered why.  I removed the two batteries and measured their voltage independantly which was just about the same.  I filled them to the proper level with distilled water, and then while on my work bench I wired them together and charged them with a smart charger.  Guess what happened?  They still boiled over.  I was perplexed.  That should not happen with a smart charger.  I then separated them and charged them individually.  One battery accepted the charge without boiling over, and it reached it's proper voltage.  When I did the same to the other battery, it boiled over.  I measured the voltage which was just about right, not quite as much, maybe 11.9V volts.  The next day, just sitting on my work bench the voltage dropped dramatically to around 10V.

The moral to the story.....
If you experience battery boil-over, separate the two batteries and test them independantly.  Apparently one weak battery will fool the charger into pumping a charge until the cows come home, boiling over both batteries in the process.  I replaced them with two new (bigger) batteries from Walmart.  So far so good.  No boil-over yet.
1692  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Towing Dinghys on: February 17, 2012, 09:46:39 am
Interesting about the weight of a 1st generation Liberty.  I got that 3800 pound figure when shopping for a 4x4 three years ago.

I was going to backup my figures so I did new research.  According to Jeep Horizons HERE

With the most common gasoline engine, 3.7L-V6
- manual 6spd 2wd = 3846
- manual 6spd 4wd = 4044
- auto 4spd 4wd = 4115
- auto 5spd 4wd = 4296  (We own this one)

So, you are correct fellows.  I was 500 pounds off my numbers.  Boy my Liberty is awfully heavy.   Cry   It weighs twice that of my little MR2.

Thanks for the correction.  I've been saying 3800 pounds all along....sheesh.
1693  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Towing Dinghys on: February 16, 2012, 11:17:05 pm
Ditto from me on everyone's replies.  Like was shared higher, we got the Liberty 4x4 to be more adventurous.  But that is not everyone's mission.  Our Liberty does weigh 3800 pounds, so it is not as light as many other choices.

We used to tow a 2100 pound Toyota MR2 Spyder without secondary braking, and I considered that "Just Getting By".  Anything heavier and I think you will want secondary braking.

As heavy as our Liberty is, with the seconday braking system we have, it actually helps slow down the motor home.  So if you later consider something heavier, the right braking kit can eliminate any concern of stopping quickly.
1694  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself! on: February 16, 2012, 12:57:27 pm
If I was Stuart I would be sending you hate mail for posting things like this on their web site. What goes on between Phoenix and a buyer should be between them and not you. If the buyer wants to have things changed, it should be up to them, not you. What a buyer pays for a unit is between them and Phoenix, not you.  I know you are only trying to help, but it is not your business so you should stay out of it.  It is OK to point out the availability of a unit but you should stop there. This is just my thinking and has nothing to do with Phoenix USA. Tom
I do get into trouble by sharing my thoughts and ideas, speaking so freely all the time.  That is why I would make a terrible politician.  Your point is well noted.  I will try to be better in the future.

I was going to share this with them off-line, but they have their email hidden, so I shared it here.  Still not a good excuse.  I will try harder to be a good boy.
1695  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself! on: February 16, 2012, 09:54:54 am
Paul/Marlyn, Did you know the factory has a used model 2100 for sale right now on ebay? The main differences between that on and a new one are the follow.

- Single battery without inverter
  New one has 2 batteries and whole house inverter
- Old heavy and small screen CRT TV
- Rear outside wall has corner seam work and no rear storage compartment, and spare tire is not integrated
- Conventional screen door
- Looks to be rear heavy, maybe needing helper springs to level it out
- Not a flush mounted stove and sink with covers.

Their price of $30,000 is negotiable.  If money was tight, having to consider a used one, I would not pay his asking price.  But I would discuss it.  One thing for sure is that I would require they do something to level it out, helper springs or air bags, or something.  And have them include in the deal some type of awning, and replace the TV and associated cabinetry with the 26" widescreen and the current cabinets around it.  They have been known to do requests on used models.

Here it is on ebay right now:
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