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1696  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself! on: February 15, 2012, 11:50:40 am
We have an older 2007 2350 model.  Like Barry-Sue says, the handling of the 2350 is typically poor right from the factory.  I would imagine the 2100 would have similar handling concerns.  There are a couple factors as to why.

1) - The distance between front and rear wheels called the wheel base is too little when considering the large amount of house over-hanging behind the rear wheels.
2) - The 2100 and 2350 are built on the lighter duty E350.  The 2551 and larger PCs are built on the E450 that has a heavier duty suspension.

I would not let these comments discourage you from considering a 2100 or 2350.  Just be aware of this.  If you find the handling acceptable, then there is nothing more to do.  If it handles too poorly for comfort, then consider investing in a few suspension upgrades.

I hate to share what we had done because it scares people.  We went all-out doing everything that came recommended by our local motor home suspension shop.  Since we had the work done, our 2350 handles nice and tight, firmly planted on the road like an SUV, instead of a drunken sailer.  And the ride is not harsh either.  We love it for both comfort and safety.  My thinking is that if it prevents just one accident, it paid for itself at least 100 fold in saving the PC, the tow vehicle, us the occupants, and anyone else around us who might be involved.

Here are the details on what we had the shop do for us.

1) - Added a heavy duty rear sway bar.
       E350s made prior to 2008 did not come with any kind of rear sway bar.
2) - Replaced the front sway bar with a heavy duty bar.
      The Ford stock bar is the same one used in the light duty E150
3) - Replaced the 4 Ford shocks with Koni-RV adjustable shocks, set to the stiffest of the 3 settings
      Today I recommend Koni-FSDs, offered only through Henderson Line-Up.
      The FSD shocks are designed for class-A and Super-C motor homes.
      I understand Henderson replaces the 3/4" mounting bushing in each shock with a 5/8" to fit an E350/E450
      The stock Ford shocks are the same used on an E250 van.
4) - Replaced the front steering stabilizer with a heavy duty one
      The stock Ford one is the same used on an E150 van
5) - Added a rear Trac bar.
      This eliminates horizonal side-to-side motion of the rear end, referred to as tail wagging
      Especially benefitial when towing.
6) - A front wheel alignment
      The camber was so far out of whack that the shop used special off-set bushings to correct it
      Such bushing kits are available as this is a very common problem with many brand motor homes.

We had our local shop order and install everything which was not the cheapest way of handling this.  It cost us $3900 but worth every penny. Since the work was done in late mid 2007, we can take on hair-pin turns on scenic byways with the greatest of confidence keeping all 6 tires firmly planted on the road for good control and braking while in the turns.  The rig hardly leans in the turns.  Also on the open road when semi-trucks pass and when gusting cross winds are present, driving is still a casual one hand-on-the-wheel experience.  Driver fatique is greatly reduced which is another comfort and safety factor.
1697  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Bike Rack on: February 14, 2012, 02:22:52 pm
Now you have convinced me that I should consider the dual hitch reciever.   ThumbsUp
1698  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Replacing carpet with vinyl on: February 14, 2012, 11:13:05 am
Lots & lots of holes left from the staples....Got it lmichael.  Thanks!
1699  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Replacing carpet with vinyl on: February 13, 2012, 10:32:25 pm
I had always understood the vinyl flooring covers the entire plywood floor to protect it from various types of water damage.  I would never remove any section of it for that very reason.  I would install any replacement flooring over it.  Just make sure there are no issues with slideouts and the change in the floor height.  If removing the carpet to expose and use the vinyl floor, you may need to use an adhesive remover.  There might also be staple holes as previously mentioned in the vinyl from when they mounted the carpet.  So you might be disappointed in it's condition.  It seems like you all know this already, but I am just making sure.

If our carpet ever needed replacing and/or our vinyl flooring started looking worn out many years from now, I would likely consider a laminate floor over the top of the vinyl.
1700  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Bike Rack on: February 13, 2012, 01:57:40 pm
I did want to share that having the bike rack attached to the toad instead of the motor home, has some advantages.  One is that the rear storage compartment of the PC is more easily accessible.  The other is that we most often leave the motor home in the camp ground and drive the toad far to another location to start our bike ride.

Rear hitches vary per vehicle (class-I, II, III), but in the case with our toad, Available was a strong class-III 3500 pound rear hitch.  It cost me $125 shipped to the house.  I mounted it in a half hour and utilize it well for the bike rack.  Needless to say, this is also beneficial at home.  When we want to bike ride along Chicago's lake front or other bike trail, we take the toad with bikes to the trail head.  The PC stays home.  Also, off-season the insurance on the PC is in suspense rendering it uninsured to drive.

If a rear hitch can be installed on your toad, I would first consider that.  Our first toad was a little 2 seat sports car which we could not get a rear hitch for.  In that case, Barry-Sue's twin receiver idea would be a great way to bring the bikes on trips.

The car we used to own was a 1998 Grand Prix.  Only class-I and class-II hitches were available for that car.  I installed a class-II for the bike rack which was a wise move.  The stronger the better when it comes to bikes hanging out there.
1701  Main Forum / General Discussion / Nice Compact Outdoor Table, Ideal For The PC on: February 10, 2012, 11:28:17 pm
Hey all,

As some of you may recall, we carry a 2'x4' folding table in the rear compartment of our PC as shown.  I was at Walmart today and noticed they sell a very similar table for just under $35.  It is the same size and very similar design as ours including the adjustable length legs.

Shown Stored In The Rear Compartment

With The Legs Short, Nice For Reclining Lawn Chairs

With Legs Midlength, Nice For Upright Seating
No Picture Available

With The Legs Fully Extended, Nice For Working While Standing Up
1702  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself! on: February 10, 2012, 12:33:51 pm
After my last reply, I was inspired to ask Kermit why the 2100 did not get a bigger slide out as the other models did.  It turns out there is good reason, consideration of the wheel well there.  Extending the slide farther back up to the bathroom will have all that extra slide weight cantelievered over one track.  It has to do with long term reliability.  So the 2100 won't be getting a bigger slide.

About the V8 versus the V10, it sure is nice to tow another vehicle with the V10, so I agree with you on ruling out the V8.

There are so many nice options and extras offered for PC's.  You'll enjoy your visit there, evaluating what is worth investing in.  But beware, you just might find yourself selecting a bigger rig.   LOL
1703  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Bike Rack on: February 09, 2012, 09:01:18 pm
I never thought of that one.  Thanks for sharing.

BTW, I just noticed you don't have the rear ladder or roof rack.  I thought I was the only one who decided against it.
With all the jabs I get about it, here I am not alone.   LOL
1704  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: LED replacement lights on: February 09, 2012, 08:54:57 pm
As I imagined, those night lights are real nice, much more like home.  I wish we had that integrated night lighting.
Thanks for the pictures.
1705  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself! on: February 09, 2012, 07:04:35 pm

How would the refer fit into the slide out? It is on the other side of the coach. You would have to remove the wardrobe and the bathroom sink to get it to fit. Sure one could put the wardrobe on the passengers side, but the sink is a different problem.

Also when you upgrade the engine (V8 to V10) and/or the truck (E350 to E450) you are changing more than just the engine, which one must also consider.
Thanks for catching that Tom.  You are right about the closet being there.  I forgot about that when I was replying.  I should have stated to see if can the closet could be included in a bigger slide.  Like you say, the bathroom sink might be of concern if using the stock 2350/2551 slide.  If it doesn't work, maybe they can fab a slightly smaller slide so they can leave the sink alone.  One thing about the factory, they are up for little mods upon request, soon to offer them in the next model year.  One thing for sure, such a tiny 2100 would greatly benefit from a bigger slide out.
About the V8 versus the V10.  I think the motor home package E350 chassis may be ordered with the smaller V8, keeping everything else the same.  But maybe not.  I never tried to order one myself, but Ford's website with the "build it yourself" tool implies it can be ordered that way.  In these times with fuel economy concerns, offering such a tiny motor home with a huge slide out and smaller motor for improved fuel economy, might have it's own life in the PC lineup.  PC-USA is always doing new twists to old models, hence the birth of the 2552 for example.
1706  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself! on: February 09, 2012, 12:53:59 pm
Hi Paul & Marilyn,

About model 2100.....
I wonder if the slideout PC-USA shows on their website is not accurate.  For all other models, in recent years the fridge has been included in the slideout which is very nice as it opens up the interior much better.  You might want to ask about that.

Another thought.......
I've always wondered if model 2100 on the E350 chassis would be better off with Ford's V8 engine instead of the V10, solely for improved fuel economy.  The V10 is used in the largest of gasoline powered motor homes which seems to be over-kill for such a tiny 21 foot motor home.  These days with the price of gas, fuel economy is very important.  The factory can easily order a fresh Ford E350 chassis with the V8 engine.  It appears to save roughly $1,200 in the purchase price as well.  See below.

We own a 2007 model 2350 with V10 engine.  We average 9.2 mpg when towing our Jeep Liberty and 10.2 when not towing anything.  The V10 is nice when towing, but way more than enough when not.  If you plan to tow all the time, I would stay with the stock V10, but if you tow seldomly or not at all, then I would look into the V8 engine.  If it increased your fuel economy by only 10%, that would make a big difference.  But I would hope you would get at least 15% better fuel economy, getting you very close to 12mpg when not towing.

Fords website here says that for the E350 chassis, the 6.8L-V10 engine is almost $1,200 more than the 5.4L-V8.  For the E450, the difference is greater yet.  I wonder why.
1707  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: LED replacement lights on: February 09, 2012, 11:17:31 am
Thanks Sue.  I would love to see some pictures of your interior with both types of lighting.

Looking at the website, it appears the non-fluorescent festoon bulb is the type used in car dome lights.  Though advertised as a low light nightlight, I still like it very much for when we want to relax after cooking and cleanup.

Here is a festoon bulb.
1708  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: LED replacement lights on: February 09, 2012, 09:52:35 am
When you flip the switch in one direction you have the fluorescent lighting and when you flip the switch in the other direction you get a soft light similar to incandescent lighting and is a very nice warm lighting.  Sue
Hi Sue.  Your light fixtures intrique me.

Have you inspected one of your lights?  How is the soft light created?  Is the fixture a dual bulb system with both fluorescent and incandesent bulbs?  I assume the soft light is created with incandescent bulbs, but if not, then how?

Does the soft light make as much light as the flourecent light, or is it significantly less to be like mood lighting?  I would love to see a picture inside a PC at night with all lights on, set both ways.
1709  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: LED replacement lights on: February 08, 2012, 12:57:37 am
I would love to change out our flourecent bulbs with those direct substitution LED bulbs, but only if they emit soft white light like incandecent bulbs do for a warm feeling inside the motor home.  We don't like the cold blue light from the flourecents, but won't change them out for incandecent fixtures to stay easy on our batteries.
1710  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Advice regarding purchasing a PC. We are new to the PC and B+ World on: February 04, 2012, 09:26:02 am
I wonder if you filled up the tanks with fresh water, then added a pint of bleach  to each tank, then let sit an hour, if that would clean off the sensors.  If not bleach, maybe a septic tank cleaner of some sort.
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