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1771  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Vvvvvvvvvvibration Noise on: September 22, 2013, 10:22:14 am
I understand.
1772  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Vvvvvvvvvvibration Noise on: September 22, 2013, 12:08:55 am
The front up under the engine NOISE.

They jacked up her rear end and ran her until she made the noise then threw her into neutral and turned her off and the noise continued for several seconds.
Jordon Ford really did some great research.  In Neutral with engine off, the noise continued until the drive train got below that 50 mph mark.  That rules out everything forward of the transmission.  But the noise came from under the engine.  That implies the noise is originating in the transmission and resonating through the engine.

I would rule out anything related to the engine, also because the noise is not heard in lower gears at high rpm.

It sounds like a transmission matter.  I wonder if you had a full transmission flush done by a Ford dealer, if it would flush out the trouble.  Maybe there is something inside that could be maniputated (made quiet) when flushing the transmission.  Just throwing out possibilities here.

We once had a car with a power steering pump that went bad by vibrating loud.  We replaced the pump and all was fine thereafter.  But if your power steering pump was bad, you would get the noise at high RPMs in lower gears as well.  Therefore I rule that out as a possibility.
1773  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Vvvvvvvvvvibration Noise on: September 20, 2013, 01:22:48 pm
If that were my coach, I'd try playing doctor myself.

Remove the engine cover and have someone else drive the vehicle.  Get that noise to occur and listen around.  If there is simply too much residual noise, use a mechanic's stethiscope and listen around.  They are sold cheap at auto part stores like Napa, Auto Zone, O'Reilly's etc.  They work by placing the end on metal and listen for the noise through it.  Place the end on various mechanical things that you can reach.  I think you may be able to lengthen the hose using an extention tube to reach more places.

Also use a vacuum cleaner hose, one end to your ear, the other end to various places around where you can safely reach while the vehicle is in motion.  My vacuum cleaner hose has bailed me out a few times with a good diagnosis.  But I never tried what I am suggesting you try.

Safety First
Good Luck
1774  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Mercedes or E350 for ride and handling on: September 20, 2013, 01:09:44 pm
I have never owned nor even test driven the Sprinter, so keep that in-mind when reading my reply.

We own a PC2350 built on a 2007 E350 Ford chassis.  2007 was the last year of the lesser E350, so it handles 1000 pounds less weight and assumed a less bumpy ride because of it.  Mind you that our ride is still bumpy especially considering that our rig is lighter because it does not have a 400 pound slideout.  As mentioned by ragoodsp, the closer you load your rig to the limit of the chassis, the smoother your ride will be.

If considering an E350, plan on spending a few thousand more on more capable stabilizer bars and such.  But I suppose a Sprinter would also benefit from the same upgrades.

Regarding fuel economy, that is quite subjective pending what you carry aboard, what you tow if anything, driving habits, whether you use cruise control, the types of roads travelled, generator usage, and how fuel economy is being calculated.  My trip average is closely documented (each fuel purchase) for most accurate data.

All trips were heading out west
Trip towing 2100 pound car over 5000 miles - 9.5 mpg
Trip towing 3600 pound car over 4000 miles - 9.2 mpg
Trip towing nothing over 5500 miles - 10.6 mpg

A couple tank fulls got over 13 mpg, I recall one rough slow 15mph switch back mountain tank full got 8 mpg, but my averages were from home near Chicago, back to home.

There are other considerations, E350 versus Sprinter, some previously mentioned.

This I copied from my standard reply on this subject matter on another forum.

Advantages Of The Sprinter With Diesel Engine
- Offers a 35% improvement in fuel economy over the Ford-V10, when both are loaded and driven identically.
- More ergonomic driver compartment with more leg room.
- Comfort continues with a car-like feel & quiet ride.
- A grander view out the windshield
- Made by Mercedes which people are attracted to.

Advantages Of The Ford E350 with V10 Engine
- Given identical motor homes both brand and model, the Ford is around $13,000 MSRP cheaper
- The Ford V10 engine has 50% more horse power and torque
- The Ford E350 chassis handles 1430 pounds more weight.
- The E350 is able to tow a heavier load.
- The E350 rear axle is significantly wider which translates to better stability.
- In most places traveled, gasoline costs less than diesel fuel
- The Sprinter diesel has limited mechanical service shops around North America
- The Sprinter diesel is typically outfitted with a propane generator. Propane is a critical fuel for RV operations, and generally needs to be rationed when dry camping.
- This Next Point Is Debatable But Still Worth Noting....The V6 Sprinter diesel engine is not allowed to idle for extended periods. This limitation is detrimental when you need a/c but there are generator restrictions or you are dangerously low on propane, or you have a mechanical failure with the generator or roof a/c. The Ford V10 can safely idle for hours on end, heating, cooling, and battery charging, all valuable if you have a baby, pets, or health/respiratory issues.

1775  Main Forum / Photos / Re: Scenic Pictures With Our 2007 2350 on: September 19, 2013, 12:28:19 am
I added a pic from our August 2013 trip.
1776  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Protective Bug Screen for front of PC on: September 17, 2013, 07:02:18 pm
Last August we drove 5500 miles round trip from Chicago to Seattle and back without any special consideration to bug protection.  I was tempted to clean the rig at a wand-wash place but never did  At one point there was a blanket of bugs on the leading edges, so bad that when stopped, the live bugs fed off the dead ones.  A good rain while driving helped immensely.

Once back home, it took numerous hours of cleaning to get the bugs off, some splats seemingly semi-permanent in the Diamond Shield film.  I suppose a good paint polish would make the reflection right.

I spent some serious time under the hood cleaning dead bugs which turned out great.

As far as a fine screen bug shield goes, I would be concerned of the air restriction to the radiator when clean, worse with a serious accumulation.
1777  Main Forum / Polls / Re: Overnight Parking - Nontradional Campgrounds on: September 15, 2013, 01:08:29 pm
Our trip last month was for 30 nights.  Here was the break down with overnight accomodations.

- 9 nights $20/night in Glacier NP
- 2 nights $12/night in North Cascades NP
- 1 night with electric, $27 in a state park near Mount Baker
- 1 night with electric, $35 in a state park near Seattle
- 17 nights FREE in national forests, rest areas, & Walmarts
1778  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Inductive stovetop anyone? on: September 14, 2013, 11:06:53 pm
The PC Forum people will be on the lookout for you now. We just might "happen" to camp nearby and chat with your lady. Wine might be involved.
rolling on the floor
1779  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Inductive stovetop anyone? on: September 14, 2013, 08:34:04 am
Excellent - tell her we need some good Ron Ditmer stories. Even a Phoenix guru like you HAS to have some great bloopers.
Now you know the real reason.  I won't let her.  Smile
1780  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Inductive stovetop anyone? on: September 14, 2013, 06:43:03 am
Ron, you keep ratting your wife out on things she's done in the PC. When do we hear from her?
Funny you ask.  I would be quite surprised if she got on this or any other of my forums.  She has none of her own, never getting into this style of social networking.  I don't think she manages her Facebook account closely either.  She is an email person of which most involve money saving deals, coupons, Groupons and such.  That's her thing.  But I will let her know that people here on the PC forum are asking, especially with me ratting on her. Smile
1781  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: A New Banging Sound After Year #6 - Dead Center In The Headliner Area on: September 13, 2013, 02:44:19 pm
Before I start digging into this, I thought I'd give Kermit a call and see if he had any advise for me.  So I got to talking with him on the phone today and glad I did.

First of all, Kermit really wanted me to drive the rig there, but a three hour drive one way meant an all day ordeal and a day off work, neither which I can afford to do right now.  So we discussed my situation over the phone of which he had some very good pointers for me.

It was interesting to learn that Phoenix had not seen any B+ caps separate from the Ford roof since the earliest model years 1999-2000 of which a change in their production process had addressed that.  So he wonders if my cap is simply flexing, not separating.  He suggested I stand outside and "palm" the B+ cap upward to see if I can actually lift it up.  If something failed, the B+ cap should lift up.

Kermit also mentioned that if there was a failure, I should be getting water dripping down from the headliner when driving in the rain.  Since I do not have water dripping, he thinks I might be okay.  But check for separation to be sure.

Kermit also mentioned the decorative round bead between the B+ cap and roof is only decorative.  It has a 1" tab that secures it but it does not seal out rain water.  There is another much better gasket sandwiched in between cap and roof.

As far as the banging is concerned, Kermit had a a few other customers complain about the same thing.  As ragoodsp mentioned, the Ford metal roof is flopping around.  Kermit's fix is simple and easy.  He said they screw in a self tapping 3" long screw into the floor of each glass door side cabinet to draw the metal roof upward to secure it.

This weekend I'll be following Kermit's advice and see what I find and resolve.  Hopefully my issues are minor with fast easy fixes.  If not, I'll either dig deeper myself or I may give in and drive over to the factory for the day.  I'll report back as to my findings.

I've spoken to Kermit but just a few times via phone and really enjoy talking "PCs" with him.  I greatly appreciate his interest in my troubles and his desire to resolve them for me.  My rig is six years old yet I am treated like a new-bee owner.

1782  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2551 and 2552 in Houston, Texas on: September 13, 2013, 10:34:55 am
shows a 2552 with captains chair in place of the euro chair
Our 2007 PC 2350 came with a barrel chair.  A few years later I replaced it with a 3rd captain seat.  I got the idea from a forum member.  Was that Bob M?.  It reuses the pedistal, a project that took but a few minutes to swap seats.  We love it.  Like you say, a 3rd passenger can ride in comfort.  When I want to relax or watch TV, I favor quickly adjusting the seat close to the dinette and use the dinette seat there as my ottoman, over the later picture just for quick convenience.  We use the large area under the captain seat for all our shoes and more....great storage under it because of that pedistal....lot's of usable floor space for stuff that naturally gets hidden by the seat skirt.

ADDING:  This picture shows the chair Fully adjusted against the wall which is still comfortable sitting upright.  To recline we adjust forward away from the wall toward the dinette which allows the backrest to recline nicely.

1783  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Inductive stovetop anyone? on: September 13, 2013, 10:27:15 am
It seems that stove top would solve the problem with our conventional stove.  My wife melts the control knobs and panel decal.  She can't seem to remember to place the big square griddle only on the large burner.  Placed on the small burner the pan over-hangs the knobs and then heats them along with the decal to distortion.

I need to buy two new knobs and decal.
1784  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: A New Banging Sound After Year #6 - Dead Center In The Headliner Area on: September 12, 2013, 06:21:52 pm
Thanks Bob for reporting in with that data.  I think it is best I go "deep" regardless of where the noise is coming from.  I'll plan on adding many more and better fasteners as perviously covered.

If only I could work 40 hour weeks to have the time to get into it.
1785  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself! on: September 12, 2013, 06:13:52 pm
the later year Fords do now come with heavier suspension components which means steering stabilizer and shocks may be OK as-is.  (See Fords website on E-350/450).
We own a 2007 E350, the last year before Ford's suspension improvements of current day.  When the change was introduced, I studied the suspension and brake specs to better understand what I missed out on.  I hope I have this accurate as it has been years since I reviewed the technical differences.  Use this just to get the idea.

Today's E350/E450 suspension was introduced in 2008, easily identified by the restyling of the front grill to what I call the industrial dump truck look.  2008 was a transition year in that it got the latest suspension and grill, but has the earlier oval/roundy dash board design.  2009 is the first full year of change and as far as I know, is the same for 2013.

There were 3 main areas of change.
1) styling
2) suspension
3) brakes

1) styling
- The front grill allows for more air to flow through the engine compartment
- The dash board added a glove box and accomodates an optional navigation system.
- The general layout is improved addressing issues such as the 12v outlets placed away from the gear shift selector
- The two entry doors got 2-tier storage pockets

2) suspension
- The E350 gets a rear stabilizer bar (all E350s from 2007 on back never got one)
- Both E350 & E450 get a better mounted front stabilizer bar
- Front suspension improved through minor adjustments of the upper & lower control arms
- Both E350 & E450 chassis weight ratings were increased though I can't recall what exactly changed to make it happen

3) brakes
This one has been debatable as to whether they were improved or simply cost reduced
- Rotors got a bit bigger in diameter with bigger matching brake pads
- Caliper piston diameters are a bit bigger
- The rotors are separate parts, not part of the hub like before.  Real heavy duty trucks with disk brakes have the hub and rotor as one cast part for best performance
- The E450 lost the industrial parking brake assembly just behind the transmission, I assume it now is like the E350 with the parking brake by the rear wheels.

My appologies in advance if I got some of this wrong, but I don't have time to refresh my memory to supply most accurate data.
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