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1801  Main Forum / Photos / Re: Missing the Tetons on: June 06, 2013, 07:49:05 am

Irene and I can't wait to get back out that way later this season.  Actually we are thinking Glacier, Cascades, Rainier, Olympic, and some other NPs.  We debate if we should leave the Jeep home this trip.
1802  Main Forum / Photos / Re: Pics of 2350 sprinter (no slide) on: June 06, 2013, 07:35:49 am
Steve & Aleece,

I love these pictures.  I wished we had build pics.

That one picture shows very nicely, the massive size of the overhead dinette cabinets, and the head room. Smile

The other picture shows the lost space behind the galley drawers that every PC has.  Cry
I did THIS to recover that space.

Well wishes with your new upcoming PC.
1803  Main Forum / Photos / Re: Pictures Of A 2007 2350 With Fixed Dinette (no slide out) on: June 04, 2013, 11:14:40 am
Ron on one hand you say once you got sick and slept on the dinnette and on the other you say you could never sleep alone, Which is it?
We sleep together all the time, except a few nights during that one trip when I got very ill and didn't want to give my misery to my wife.

There is always an exception to every rule....right?

Maybe I should have said "with rare exception", but then the questions and implications would pour in, like...Do you fight often?

1804  Main Forum / Photos / Re: Pictures Of A 2007 2350 With Fixed Dinette (no slide out) on: June 04, 2013, 10:53:02 am
Ron, do you have new storage locations for these images that are missing?

I just cleaned up the initial post.  All is well again.
1805  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Awning configuration on: June 02, 2013, 02:58:45 am
We have what you describe as the earlier "Box" awning.  I happen to like it.  Go figure I have to be different all the time.

As others described, our 2007 PC came with the brackets inside the big documentation pouch.  I mounted them myself to the rig.  This way there is no need for ropes and stakes.  But as you suspect, the door will swing into that pole.  I "bunge cord" the door to the pole to keep the door open.

I like the look the box awning offers, lacking those vertical awning tracks.  I also like to open the awning just a foot or two to provide shade and rain protection on that side of our rig.  I assume you can do that with the latest electric awning as well.  With slider windows, rain protection is more an issue.  Being partially open without poles, the door can open and close without interference, and the wind won't play games with the awning either.

The process for fully opening the awning is not as hard as shared higher.  At least not for me at 5'-11" tall.  I open the awning low enough for me to pop the arms out, which is maybe 2/3 open.

Admittedly there is nothing nicer than the push of a button, but I've grown used to my awning buddy.  And when there is a wind driven rain, I can lower the awning quite low (being watchful of the entry door), and even at a steep angle to the rear for water to run off instead of collecting up top.  My point is that the box awning is not "all" bad.  It has little bennies.
1806  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: rain entering my 2552 on: June 01, 2013, 11:27:26 am
When i got home washed my unit and spent some time trying to find the leak.  Naturally no water was found.......I am looking for a location where I can get someone to take a look at it.  None of the dealers will touch it.  Camping world want 180.00 which is not reimburseable just to look at it.
Of coarse you can't find the leak.  That is Murphy's law.

I think the reason why it is so much money to look at the rig is that you would be paying for a pressure check.  They pressurize the motor home, soap it up and look for bubbles where air should not be leaking out.  Being under warranty, if a notable leak is found, I would hope PC-USA would cover the cost of diagnosis and sealing.  If no leak found, it would be your cost.  Maybe that is something to propose to Kermit.
1807  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Cruise control on: May 31, 2013, 03:26:29 pm
Tom, Thanks for the education.
1808  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Cruise control on: May 31, 2013, 01:28:53 pm
Wow, I have never hear of a clockspring in a vehicle before.  It sounds like drafting shoes and night time sunglasses to me.
1809  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: New members looking for advice on: May 31, 2013, 11:16:12 am
Hi Jerry and Judy,

When talking price, that is always a topic of debate.  I suppose if it were me, I'd share with the dealer what the insurance company said, then offer $40,000 out the door with sales tax, license plates, title, and all the rest.  But that is a personal decision.

Mileage and generator usage would be of no concern to me.

A 2007 2551 is a good year to consider because you'll have the first year they made the inverter with twin batteries standard.  Only a few 2006s have that.  2007 PCs to today are pretty much the same rig with only minor deviations with exception to the slideout when in 2010 PC-USA included the fridge in it.

As far as the chassis is concerned, that 2007 2551 has the earlier E450 which I feel could be to your advantage in a strange way.  The pre 2008 E series chassis handles less of a load than the 2008-2013, but being the lightest of E450 PCs, such extra capability would only offer a rougher ride.  Of coarse there are many advantages to a 2008-2013 E450 chassis, but I am trying not to go there.
1810  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Stabilizers and Rear End Sag? on: May 31, 2013, 10:53:35 am
I got a PM from a member here who said they could only get one inch of lift on their PC from air bags.  If that is the case across the board, air bags are not worth it.

I got 3 to 4 inches on my first rig with air bags but it was not an E350/E450 chassis.
1811  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Check my understanding of battery voltage status on: May 30, 2013, 04:55:17 pm
I use a perc. coffee maker on my gas stove, told Phoenix to keep the electric pot.
But then how will Irene brew coffee while I am driving?  That is the beauty of the electric coffee maker mounted in the base cabinet.  The bonus is that the V10 engine alternator is keeping up with the demand of the 110v/850 watt drain on the batteries at all.

I had to give you a little jab there, but I get your point.  Smile
1812  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself! on: May 30, 2013, 02:35:40 pm


Most people place the garbage can under the sink in that cabinet.  But we like our coffee maker there as designed so we have a free standing can we place below the fridge in our no-slide 2350.  You get a glimps of it in this picture, the stainless steel box behind the dinette bench.

1813  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself! on: May 30, 2013, 02:31:41 pm
I understand you Bergie.  Our PC is our first fully self-contained motor home.  I had a little anxiety with it all until I started the hands-on experience.  It is NOT hard at all.

I would call the factory.  They may be able to mail or email you a copy of the owners manual.  My 2007 copy is very basic.  All it really provided was the peace of mind that I wasn't missing anything.

Sanitizing the plumbing in the spring and winterizing the plumbing and waste for cold winter is where it gets serious.  But living in a warm Arizona winter, even that is a breeze.  The rest is more straight forward and forgiving.

I use a little more bleach in the spring than recommended, closer to a half-gallon to a full water tank.  It takes some good flushing and a few days of use before the chlorine smell is near gone.  We mostly drink bottled water anyway.  Smelling like a swimming pool after the first or maybe second shower is easily tollerated.  Better safe than sorry.
1814  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Stabilizers and Rear End Sag? on: May 29, 2013, 02:52:47 pm
PCs don't have rear end sag.
Tom is correct for all but one or possibly two current day models and more earlier models.  Since the 2008 E350 came out, the sag has been reduced because the 2008 E350 chassis handles a heavier load than previous model years.  For current 2013 production, I think the rear end of a 2100 & 2400 on the E350 still may have a sagging problem.  The recent 2350 has less a problem (maybe none) because sometime in the past few years, PC-USA improved the weight distribution by rotating and moving the fresh water tank forward.

The sagging may not exist when those particular motor homes are coming off the PC production line, but rather after the owner loads the rig with personal belongings, a full tank of fuel, full tank of propane, and a full tank of fresh water.  Being that 2100s and 2400s are E350s and have the water tank over the rear bumper, the rear end starts to drop with the weight of the fresh water.  It's like putting a trailer on the rear hitch with a tongue weight of 400 pounds.  It's going to sag a little.

PC's made on the E350 chassis prior to 2008 have a more notable sagging problem because the chassis back then handled 1000 fewer pounds.  Our 2007 2350/E350 loaded for a trip has a little sag but not enough for me to do something about unless I planned to take ferries through Alaska.  Like the 2100 and 2400, our older 2350 has the fresh water tank over the rear bumper.

The most common and affordable means to eliminate a sagging rear end is the addition of rear air bags or adding one of more rear leaf springs per side.  Air bags are height adjustable.  The more air you put in, the higher the rear goes up.  But the amount of travel is limited to around 3 to 4".  At least that is what was with our first motor home.

Stabilizer bars, sway bars, and anti-sway bars are the exactly same thing going by different names.  They are used to stabilize the vehicle in winds and turns.  They reduce the amount of side-to-side lean.  They do not affect the height of the motor home.  Nor do heavy duty shocks, trac bars, or heavy duty steering stabilizers.  They only improve handling, not change the height.

CLICK HERE to see the Firestone air bags I mentioned.  The air is adjusted like a tire using the same type of valve system.  You can make them more user friendly having an on-board compressor and controls up front to adjust the air while driving.  That was the setup with our old rig.  I really liked it and used it.  I would adjust it less for a softer ride, more if more height or better handling was needed due to road conditions.

There are other air bag brands, but the Firestones seems to be the one of choice for affordability.  This based on my observation on other RV forums.
1815  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Cleaning/polishing front part of roof on: May 29, 2013, 11:44:04 am
Leaning over the water slide once a year at most, I understand this topic very well.

What would work well and look decent is a short handicap grab bar sold at Home Depot in white or stainless.  Mount it top dead center, just rear of the aero-cap .  It would be much cheaper than a new hood and ambulance ride.  My Winegard antenna serves this purpose much better than it's intended use, but I would rather have a grab bar.
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