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1831  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used. on: March 14, 2012, 01:15:59 am
I'm torn about the ladder -- you and Gradygal both make good points.  Offhand I'd say that if the main reason you leave it off is cosmetic.
The clean appearence is secondary.  We plan to own our rig for a very long time, 25-30 years, maybe longer.  When I examine older motor homes, that stuff becomes questionable whether it can be trusted.  Rusting screws, heavily oxidized aluminum parts and related hardware along with dried-up caulk is concerning both on the rear wall and roof where water penetration becomes a concern.  I feel the fewer holes in my roof and wall, the better.  Admittedly I have much larger holes like for the a/c, skylight and roof vents and such, but the roof rack, ladder and Winegard antenna are easy for me to delete.  And for some reason, old screws are a common source of water infiltration.

As mentioned by Gradygal, there will be a time where I'll wish I had the ladder on-the-spot......especially if my rig gets tangled up in branches or something.  But I will take my chances.  Hey, I still have my ladder & rack.  I can still mount them if I change my mind.  If I ever do, I would likely install just the ladder.

Every now and then someone donates an old motor home to the charity I volunteer at.  Those with ladders demonstrates to me I made a wise decision.
1832  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used. on: March 13, 2012, 04:11:17 pm
I need to disagree with Ron on a couple of  his suggestions:

.......we had the ladder and roof rack installed and are VERY glad we did.

.......We frequently stay at a Corps of Engineers Park near Ft. Myers and use the antenna to pick up Ft. Myers stations.
And there you have your different opinions.

About the antenna, we too have the booster yet have very limited use.  I suppose a lot depends on the types of places travelled to.  We do stay most often in the mountains and canyons where line-of-sight is dramatically disrupted, then the antenna isn't going to work.  Analog signals found their way around such obstacles much better.  And we could deal with a little snow on the screen much better than the sound cutting in and out with digital.  In Florida the only obstruction would be something man-made which is much more forgiving.  Admittedly, we very rarely camp under those types of conditions.
1833  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Selling your 2350 with dinette? Want to buy used. on: March 13, 2012, 01:56:13 pm
Given my unit is now 5 years old, I cannot address many of your questions without potential inaccuracies.  Hopefully someone with a 2012 Sprinter will chime in.

PC-USA introduced the Sprinter chassis in the 2009 model year.

In 2008-2009 when motor home manufactures were going bankrupt in droves, Phoenix bought up may 2008 Sprinter chassis at RV bankruptcy auctions.  The company then offered Sprinter PCs for the same price as their Ford versions.  It helped the company survive through a very difficult time in our economy, and it gave PC-Sprinter owners an exceptional value.  Everybody came out a winner.

So if you consider purchasing a 2009 or 2010 Sprinter based PC-2350 or PC-2400, chances are it has a 2008 Sprinter chassis.

The plastic fluted underbelly is "Fantastic".  Every motor home manufacture should have it.  That thick bonded-to-the-floor corregated plastic sheet protects the flooring from the elements, along with adding a little extra thermal protection in winter.  Somebody on the web actually put it down as some sort of cheap construction method.  Obviously he had no idea what he is talking about.

I like your ideas on options and features.  We got the same (though a gas generator) and highly recommend you consider them.

A couple things I would consider deleting.
- Leave off the rear ladder and roof rack (a very personal preference)  others will argue otherwise.  I required they give it to me in pieces so if I change my mind later, I have everything I need.  So far no regrets.
- Forget the Winegard antenna as I find it useless where needed most, outside of towns.  If near a city, the digital signal is too touchy with lots of sound cut-out and pixelation.  It works inside a city where you are forced to stay in RV parks which all have CATV.  So we never use the antenna.  Then adding that it puts so many holes into the front B+ aero-cap wiith lots of ugly caulk, and it likes to rattle when in transit.  It's just a bad thing to have since the country went "digital".  I wish I knew better, and refused it in 2007 when analog was still in-place.  I would pay PC-USA to keep it next time, if there was a next time.
1834  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself! on: March 10, 2012, 12:04:37 pm
As lghjr alluded to, do you travel with the bathroom window or roof vent open a crack?  The sewer gas going out the roof vent might be whipping around, getting sucked into the bathroom through an opening.  It is a common problem with RVs in general.  People make the mistake of keeping something open to let in fresh air when they should be locking down the room.  If you normally leave something open when in transit, close it all up and see if your problem goes away.  Also make sure your shower and sink traps are full of water.

The instinct is to open something when the opposite should be practiced.  We learned that ourselves.  Yes the bath gets nice and hot too, but at least it doesn't stink of sewer gas.
1835  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Question for 3100 owners on: March 09, 2012, 01:14:49 pm
After 55 years we still want to share a bed...we may have two dogs and a cat between us...but we're all still there!
Marilyn & Paul  Yahoo!
We are quite far behind you with only 34 years married.  I do undersatnd about the issues that come with age as Aimee outlined because we deal with a few of them already.  But my wife and I think alike on this one.  We hope never the need to resort to separate beds.
1836  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: modifications on: March 09, 2012, 12:33:59 pm
New, not so new, older, real old, lightly used, well used, very used, we are all family here.  Welcome!

Glad to read on a continuing basis that the factory helps out new owners purchasing older units.......without gouging them.

Us insiders already know this, but it says a lot to anyone on the outside who is considering a new or used PC.
1837  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Question for 3100 owners on: March 09, 2012, 08:18:41 am
I am "Taken Back" by all the interest in sleeping in separate the Peteries did in the 60's.
1838  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Water Heater on: March 08, 2012, 06:34:11 pm
Thanks for the "Heads-Up" lmichael.
1839  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Installing an inverter on a 2002 PC 2550 on: March 08, 2012, 05:13:45 pm
Nice to see you chiming in now and then Stuart.
One would have to be quite determined and also electrically skilled to retrofit their older non-invertor rig to the later full-inversion.
Placing a second battery near the first one yet in an easy-to-access area could also be challenging.
1840  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Question for 3100 owners on: March 07, 2012, 12:18:51 pm
What I had to say would apply to most models where a slideout has only a dinette within.

If I were considering a used PC and it happened to have one of these, I would not let it be a show stopping issue.  I simply would try as is.  If I could not live with it as anticipated, then do a little home remodeling, modifying the interior of the slideout to "Plan B".....whatever plan B is for you.  Just make sure you have a plan B before the purchase.
1841  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Question for 3100 owners on: March 07, 2012, 10:00:39 am
The only thing of concern to me with the 2910 is the dinette in the slideout.

In the spring of 2007 when we visited the factory to make decisions on colors, fabrics, and options for our 2350, we walked through other models that were ready for delivery.  One unit had a dinette in a slideout located on the passenger side.  My wife and I sat in that dinette and thought it was very cramped to the point of being completely unacceptable.  Our knees and legs were tangled up with eachother and the table was very small with no room between two plates across from eachother.  I could slouch a little and hit the opposing bench seat with my knees.....I am 5'-11".

If that dinette was NOT in a slideout, it would have been just fine because it utilizes the extra wall space of the angled wall behind the passenger seat, and also picks up the extra wall space from the lack of slide-out walls.  The distance between the two benches increases dramatically, and the table grows nicely.  With the dinette setup as a bed, I can sleep on it fully extended, which came in handy when I got sick on one trip.  Also consider that the floor is not raised and no walls tight around eliminates any claustrophobia, and the over-head cabinets become massive.  It was an easy choice for us to get the dinette without a slideout for our 2350.

Just because a model shows a slideout in the floorplan, does not mean you don't have a choice.  The factory would be happy to build that model without a dinette slideout.  The money saved can be pocketed, or in our case, we spent that money on the full body paint job.

You decide what works for you.  I am not trying to be a critic here with slideout dinettes.  I am just passing on my take on the matter.

One final comment, on a personal level.  Now that we have owned ours for about 5 years, I wished I asked them to add an insulated key'd outside access door to our front dinette bench seat.  I place all my heavy mechanical stuff inside it to help in weight distribution given the fresh water tank is in the opposing corner.  It would be so much nicer if I could get to my tool box, extra power cords, motor oil, jack etc. direct from the outside to avoid disturbing the interior.
1842  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Hello, just bought a 2002 2550 - suggestions to modernize her on: March 06, 2012, 03:30:09 pm
Ron, I know you use one hyperlink, do u leave the other? Help
On a Windows-PC, I don't know about a Mac......Each time anyone uses the hyperlink button and pastes in the link, then posts, then edits their post, the link is listed twice.  The first link must remain untampered.  The second occurence is the text you can replace with whatever you'd like it to say.  Try it.
1843  Main Forum / Photos / Re: Scenic Pictures With Our 2007 2350 on: March 06, 2012, 01:43:03 pm
Call him and ask.  It can't hurt to ask, can it??
No no no.  What am I going to say?  Give me a free loaner because I take such great pictures of your motor homes?   Embarrassed  He would have to propose such an offer to me.
1844  Main Forum / Photos / Re: Scenic Pictures With Our 2007 2350 on: March 06, 2012, 11:38:21 am
Thanks for the compliment classact.

Kermit should loan my wife and me one of his current models every year for our annual trip so we can provide a hundred glamor-shots taken throughout the most scenic areas of our beautiful country.  When our trip is over, he could market it as "The 2012 Advertised Demo".  We wouldn't charge him a penny.... ha ha.
1845  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Hello, just bought a 2002 2550 - suggestions to modernize her on: March 06, 2012, 11:00:15 am
Just to be clear about the driver seat swiveling.  You need a slideout behind the driver seat.  A few of us don't have a slideout there.  The dinette would prevent a practical application of a swivel driver seat.

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