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1831  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2551 For Two on: March 31, 2011, 04:49:43 pm
We absolutely love the 2551. As I have said before, if we knew that there was a 2552 option when we placed our order we would have gone with the 2552 for the extra chair.
Considering you have the two comfy captain dinette seats, why the desire for a 3rd seat?  A guest?
1832  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2551 For Two on: March 31, 2011, 02:25:44 pm
I would think the cutting board would be more useful with a large slideout (the fridge in the slide) where you still have room to get past it.  The earlier design with the sofa-only slideout and also the NO slideout like we have, the cutting board nearly cuts off access to the back half of the motor home.  So it always gets pushed in.  At that point, a utensil drawer would have greater value.
1833  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2551 For Two on: March 30, 2011, 08:33:18 am
I have to ask about the hanging wine goblets.  Will they get crushed when the table folds down?
1834  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2551 For Two on: March 29, 2011, 08:37:05 pm
I Love it.....I Really LOVE It all.  Great work.

You got me thinking about the cutting board.  I'll have to share that with my wife.
1835  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: storage solutions on: March 28, 2011, 07:50:24 pm
I have to disagree with Ron in this case.
So there you have it, polar opposite opinions.  Cry
1836  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Ladder Leak on: March 28, 2011, 05:22:25 pm
Sorry for that lame joke.  I never meant to imply it's a bad idea to have a ladder and rack.  It's just not for least not just yet.  I came from a different mold than most.

I do have my roof rack and ladder stored in my "other" house in case I ever change my mind.

DJM, that was funny......hiding up top to get away.
1837  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: storage solutions on: March 28, 2011, 04:55:46 pm
Thanks all:

Ron: I do have my jeep liberty set up for towing, however I would rather not tow that if I could.  This trip is going to be 3 weeks and a few days and a lot of our stops are going to be hit and go, so I think I can do with out the toad.  Besides it will save on fuel.  David
With our 2007 2350 towing our Jeep Liberty 4000 miles from Chicago to Jasper Alberta and back at around 70mph, we averaged 9.2mpg.  You towing the same, should see better if you slow down to 60-65mph max, even considering the extra weight of 4 people.

Leaving your Liberty home will force you to drive the PC 100% of the time.  Your average fuel economy will drop like a tank given every move will be on roads less than ideal for a motor home.  Between all the steep grades, very slow winding curves at various speed, and even some traffic, you'll be doing worse over-all compared to the fuel lost in towing your Liberty.  Your kids won't see much either from the "limited view" of the PC windows.  I advise to tow the Liberty to benefit of storage, mobiity, child sight-seeing views, and combined fuel savings.  Not fuel loss.

We do on-the-go vacationing all the time, often staying in places a night or two, so I understand your comment of "hit and go".  But the tow vehicle "STILL" makes it work so much better.  Your first primitive road with limited vehicle length and you'll be saying...."Why did we leave the Liberty home?"  Also your kids will be saying....."What Buffalo?  We can't see anything from back here!"

Regardless of your decision, keep close track of your fuel consumption averaged from the entire trip and see how you did.  You only need to write down the starting odometer reading at home with a full tank of gas, write down the gallons to the 10th gallon purchased thereafter.  Then once back home, fill up one last time and right down the mileage again.  Calculate from there.  It wil provide an extremely accuate figure.
1838  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Ladder Leak on: March 28, 2011, 01:19:13 pm
I don't have that problem.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.   Smile
1839  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: storage solutions on: March 28, 2011, 01:08:37 pm
Yep, I agree with all the info shared.  Don't bring more than one week worth of clothes.  Don't stock up on food either.

4 people in any 2350 would be tight.  Without a tow vehicle to store extra stuff in, I would surely consider something like this for the lighter weighted stuff.

This particular one comes in a couple colors, offers 34 cubic feet, and telescopes away from the vehicle to allow you to open the PC rear storage hatch.  Personally, for me, I'd rather spend the same money to setup a tow vehicle and use that to store the extra stuff inside.

Here It Is In The "EXTENDED" Position.

For heavier stuiff, you may need to consider something like this with containers.
1840  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Suspension and handling on: March 26, 2011, 10:01:48 pm
Each addresses a different type of unwanted motion.  I advise to get both right from the start.  If you do just the sway bar, I understand it will have to be removed to install the trac bar, so just do both.....done once, done right.
1841  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Suspension and handling on: March 26, 2011, 09:44:40 pm
I will take a stab at it too.

Sway/stabilizer bars reduce side-to-side swaying.  Like a pine tree would sway in a gusty wind storm.  Like a boat or a buoy rocks side-to-side in water.

A rear trac bar eliminates horizontal side-to-side motion.  The motion is caused from the rear leaf springs twisting.  That is why on a van style class B+/C there is no need for a front trac bar because the chassis does not have front leaf springs.

I can easily create the same motion with my little Ford Ranger pickup truck by standing close to the rear tailgate, pushing on the side in quick succession, getting it to shake it's butt sideways wildly.  I cannot do that with the front end because it has coil springs and the rest that goes with that type of suspension.
1842  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Suspension and handling on: March 25, 2011, 11:16:07 am
Very interesting.  I was told Ford covers that initial alignment, which is contradictory to your experience.

Four years ao I piad $170 for my front wheel alignment, this done before I heard Ford "supposedly" covers it.  Mine was more costly than most because of the extra labor and parts involved to replace center-set bushings with off-set bushings to adjust for an extreme camber condition.  I would assume that condition is because the front is much lighter than normal.  I do have my fresh water tank in the very back of my 2350.  That 400 pounds alone, would lighten up the front by that amount.  Then adding 55 gallons of fuel and all the rest behind the rear axle, and there goes my front camber to the extreme.
1843  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Suspension and handling on: March 24, 2011, 05:35:21 pm
On the Bilstein shocks, does anyone have any feedback on their "heavy duty" shock versus their "comfort" shock?
When you say "Call Ford customer service" do you mean the local Ford dealer service department?
As everyone on says, get the "Heavy Duty", not the "Comfort".  Even considering the weight of a lighter E350 as compared to a heavier E450, the heavy duty versions are still the best for your application.  I have Koni-RV adjustable shocks, and they are set to the stiffest setting.  They do their job well without making the ride any rougher than my wimpy original Ford shocks.

About contacting Ford, if you cannot find the number in your owner's manual, then contact your local Ford service department and they will get you the number to call.
1844  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Suspension and handling on: March 24, 2011, 04:58:49 pm
Great run-down there Billy.

Just to add, the stock Ford chassis comes from Ford with everything except for a rear trac bar.  As you mentioned, it has (of coarse) shocks..... and front & rear sway bars.  But the chassis also has a steering stabilizer.  The problem is that none are enough for such a heavily loaded chassis, a house on wheels.

The front steering stabilizer and sway bar is the same installed on an E150 van.  The 4 shocks are the same used in an E250 van.  All very inadequate for a motor home application.
1845  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Suspension and handling on: March 24, 2011, 04:42:59 pm
Hi jdw,

A sway bar and stabilizer bar are one and the same.

BEFORE YOU BUY ANYTHING, first get a front wheel alignment, compliments of Ford.  Call Ford customer service for instruction.  When you go there, have a full tank of fresh water & fuel, all your gear, etc.  Try to simulate the weight as if leaving on a trip.  If you want to go the extra mile, add weight to simulate driver and passenger.  I threw in some weights from exercise equipment, set on the floor behind the two front seats.

About your 2011 chassis not having availability, I suspect the on-line information has not yet been updated to accomodate 2011 model years.  I advise to call Helwig and Roadmaster direct.  They may say to simply order 2010 parts.

I also advise to have both the rear sway bar and rear trac bar installed at the same time.  This because the installer will need to adjust the position of the sway bar to accomodate the trac bar.  You would not want anyone to mess with sway bar mounting hardware twice.

If your budget is very limited, start first with rear sway & trac bars.  That will address the worst of your handling troubles.  Immediately following would be a front sway bar.  If you still have issues, then do the shocks and steering stabilizer.

As you know we had everything done all at once which made a "MEGA" improvement in handling.  Our rig is a real joy to drive and ride in.  No more "Drunken Sailer".
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