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31  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Tire and battery advice on: November 11, 2014, 04:03:04 pm
My thought about batteries, 12v versus 6V versus 6V-AGM, I am simply stepping off the battery diving board to find out how deep and how warm the water is untested.  I'm setting up my  battery compartment for the taller 6V batteries, choosing AGM for what I hope will be a better experience.  You'll have to ask me in 5 years how I like them.

My reconfiguration is easy to revert back to 12v with slide-out battery tray, bolt-in-bolt-out for both the tray and steel plate 6V box bottom.  All of 5 minutes to switch back from 6V to 12V if I ever want to.

Regarding the donated tires....

Tom, if you saw the tires on work vans that get donated to the charity I volunteer in, you would surely agree that retired PC tires are so much safer.  Some donated vans are so bad that the steel belts have come through the rubber.  Most donated work vans are very tired, some have sat unused for many years out in the elements before being donated to a charity.  I think they are driven into the ground after they get used up to a certain point, then parked when it's past due for tires.

If the charity determines the van is worth selling to the general public, they want to sell a safe vehicle.  It doesn't have to be perfect, just safe & reliable as can be expected under the circumstances and price window.  Decent used motor home tires provides a means for that to work.  If the charity bought new tires along with addressing other issues on a van and sold it for $900, then what was there to gain?  Receiving good used tires from people like us PC owners, helps the charity get reliable work vehicles in the hands of people who can't afford better, and the proceeds help other people in other ways.  It's good for everyone involved.  Even the PC owner gets a tax write-off of some amount.
32  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Tire and battery advice on: November 11, 2014, 01:16:04 pm

On the batteries, you might check out AGM batteries for replacement. They are sealed with no servicing required, but considerably more expensive. Can't help you with specific models since I don't know what your OEM batteries are.....

Good luck
Just last night I was working on our battery compartment, fabricating a steel bottom after removing the slide out battery tray to gain enough clearance for a pair of the taller 6V batteries.  Maintenance-free AGMs seems the smarter choice now that the slide-out tray is gone.  I'll be buying the AGMs at Sam's Club at $180/battery.
33  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Decisions Decisions on: November 10, 2014, 04:24:03 pm
....on average a 2007 2350 with slide would sell for $12,900 more than a 2007 2350 without a slide.

WOW!

I saw that on www.RVT.com

I am so surprised they value a 2007 slide-out with an MSRP of $4130, valued today at $12,900.  As messed up as RVT might be with that one, it is what people read when shopping.  If we ever had to sell our rig, we'd be in jeopardy.  Good thing we plan to own our rig for over 30 years, 23 to go.

I'll have to plug in my rig into NADA and then do it again with a slide-out.


REPORTING BACK Using http://www.nadaguides.com/RVs/Motorhomes with Average Retail Figures

My rig base price is $31,500 adding $4,095 for lower mileage, then adding $15,434 for optional equipment for a total of $51,029
It states my MSRP was $78,983 when in reality is was $89,051.  That's all messed up.

Same rig, same mileage, same options but adding a 6 foot slide-out, adds $1470 for a total of $52,499

I guess that is why NADA and other such value estimators are referred to as "Guidelines".
34  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Tire and battery advice on: November 10, 2014, 01:32:52 pm
If your tires look great with real good thread, check a local charity that takes in vehicles.  They might accept your 4 best tires as a donation to put on a work van that was received with really bad tires.  That is my plan when it comes time.
35  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Decisions Decisions on: November 10, 2014, 01:04:18 pm
FWIW, as stated in our 2007-2350 paperwork, MSRP was $89,051.  Before current-day factory-direct only sales, we bought through a dealer paying $67,205 + $4,368 in sales tax.  After our purchase we added $3900 in suspension upgrades, $430 for a 3rd captain seat, and lesser amounts on piles more that added thousands more.  I would guess we have near $80,000 invested when considering the money we invested to tow our Jeep.

I really don't know what our 2007 2350 with no slide-out would sell for today.  I am not convinced the tiny slide-out offered at that time would make a difference in value and/or marketing if selling today.  I do feel the larger slide-out which includes the fridge is a positive influence.  I also feel the largest slide-out in the new 2351 (also known as the 2450) and the 2552 and bigger models is a sure winner for resale value.

We did special order our rig without a slide-out with no consideration to resale value.  For you who consider resale value "crucial", you really should get a slide-out, even if you don't find it important for yourself.

Again, these are just my thoughts based on resale observations.  I don't have hard data to back up my comments.  I don't claim to be an authority on this.
36  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2013 model 2551 12 volt batteries OK? on: November 07, 2014, 05:12:17 pm
After further review and discussion on a few different forums, I will be purchasing two 6V AGM batteries from Sam's Club for $180 per battery as advertised HERE.  I understand AGM technology is maintenance-free, charge more quickly, and has a longer life cycle compared to standard deep cycle lead acid 6V and 12V batteries.  Time and experience will tell if my information is good.

I will remove my roll-out battery tray and screw down sheet steel for the bottom of the battery box for adequate clearance for the taller batteries.  I will come up with a means to cradle the batteries so they won't move around inside the big box.  It will be nice not doing any maintenance on them.  Just mount them and forget them until they no longer perform.
37  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Pleated Front Curtain on: November 05, 2014, 09:42:58 am
I love all the ideas shared.  Yes they got my gears turning again.

On our first motor home seen here, it came with a privacy curtain that attached to the decorative buttons.  You can see 4 of the eight buttons with the decorative caps removed.





In the case with our PC, those buttons are used as seen in this picture.


I think adding one more button to the right on the green triangle would make for an ideal snap on curtain.  Maybe a button in the middle and one at the far right for a nice balanced look.  You simply use a teaspoon to pop off the decorative cap (green cap in my case here) and behind it is the male portion of the snap.  With two snaps per side that sort-of follows the wing wall, that might offer enough support and enough of a seal.  I am currently at work, unable to determine if anything is in the way.  Maybe cover 50% across the triangle would be best to avoid cabinets, dinette, etc.

As far as what material to use, our old rig was upholstery vinyl.  It blocked out the draft except down at the floor because it wasn't quite long enough.

If it works very effectively, maybe we should propose it to Kermit to offer it as a feature or option because it would be nice if it was made of the same material to match.
38  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Pleated Front Curtain on: November 04, 2014, 08:28:00 am
Bill,

Because we have a TV there, the curtain wouldn't work for us.  When it's cold and getting dark early, watching a movie is a very nice pass time for us.

I do wonder if a simple quilted blanket would work to drape over the two front seat backs for a good lower-half barrier, providing reach-over access to the front.  It wouldn't work if needing to sit on the swivel seat, but otherwise might keep the coldest air and drafts away.  Has anyone tried that?  If so, how well does it work for you?

Oh so many pillows we have now, plus a big quilted blanket would be over the top for me. Cry
39  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Pleated Front Curtain on: November 03, 2014, 04:58:07 pm
Admittedly the stock front privacy curtain is a bit cumbersome, but we have adapted well in managing it.  I do like their full vertical Velcro center connecting feature, and they do store cleanly tucked away.

For cold nights it would be nice to completely seal off around the front seats with something like a thin quilted blanket.  It would take good skills to come up with something friendly to work that offers a draft-free seal.  It would be much easier a project if leaving the front seats on the cold side, but we store stuff on the two front seats, primarily at bed time where all my wife's pillows get dumped.

Then there is the swivel front seat feature.  It would be sad to block off a seat that could be used when we have guests.

We just started carrying a small electric 1500 heater with a blower for the fix but have not yet tried it out.  We never seem to camp plugged-in anymore.

BTW, This is my 2000th post.  Yikes!
40  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Why PC instead of similar priced Class A on: October 31, 2014, 07:20:16 pm
.......before ending up with our 2350 PC.   We think it is perfect for two.  Would NOT travel with anymore than just us.
Yep, those are my feelings too, great for the two of us.

We have traveled with our 3 adults kids on a few weekenders.  All works well until bedtime having one of them sleeping inside our 2350.  It is just too tight for that.  We don't have a slide out, maybe less an issue if we did.
41  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Do I Need A New Sanicon Macerator? on: October 31, 2014, 06:22:51 pm
Great information.  Thank you Bill.
42  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Tire and battery advice on: October 31, 2014, 03:45:57 pm
I just got off the phone with Kermit.

Phoenix extended the battery box frame by the amount required to accommodate the taller 6V batteries which is 1.5 inches.  That means I either have to lower my battery frame somehow (maybe using 1.5" "U" channel) or replace my battery tray with a flat piece of sheet steel as I had figured.  Kermit said the battery box frame is bolted to the floor of the PC which makes using "U" channel a consideration.

At least I know what my options are.
43  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Why PC instead of similar priced Class A on: October 31, 2014, 02:32:25 pm
At the risk of lower my ratings, here is my input.

You have two young children.  I feel bunk beds for the kids is a very nice feature.  Any PC with B+ front cap can't accommodate nearly as well.  If PC-USA offered a class C version with a conventional over-the-cab double bed, then I would be changing my position.

So.....

I feel you'd be better off in that 35QBA foot Allegro with bunk beds.  But a 35 foot anything is a monstrosity to me, very hard to get around in.  I personally would consider a new Minnie Winnie 22R at under 24 feet in length, or the 25B at just over 26 feet.

I always wondered why PC-USA doesn't offer a seamless "C" cap version for every model.  Same rig, just a "C" instead of a "B+".  Make it an option like a slide out is today, looking similar to a Winnebago View.  That would appeal to family households.
44  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Tire and battery advice on: October 31, 2014, 02:10:04 pm
My 12V tray is raised.  I can modify it to be so low that it will scrape the frame.  If I drop it to within 1/8" of the frame to avoid scraping, I don't think the battery terminals will clear the top of the opening.  It seems that close a call.  Also, I would like to place the batteries inside the tray so they are as far forward to me (not the back wall) to relax my battery cabling better.  That might require a new tray of different dimensions.  You are right Tom.  I should call the factory.
45  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Tire and battery advice on: October 31, 2014, 01:00:50 pm
I did some measuring and determined that my slide out battery tray will need to be replaced with a simple sheet of steel to get adequate clearance because the 6V batteries are so much taller.  The sheet steel will have angle iron screwed to it to cradle the batteries so they don't move around on the large surface.
In my planning to accommodate taller 6V batteries, I am wondering how Phoenix accommodates their tall 6V batteries in their new PCs.

Are the tall 6V batteries still in a slide out tray or simply placed on a flat metal compartment bottom like I will have to fabricate to get adequate clearence?

If tall 6Vs still sit in a slide out tray, did the factory lower the compartment for the batteries to clear the top of the finished opening?

If so, do you see the sliding tray below the closed battery door?

In my current 12V situation seen here, when the finished door is closed, I only see a portion of that 1" high horizontal black angle iron below the door.

To you who have tall 6V batteries, what do you see below the battery door after it is closed?

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