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31  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Improvements & Enhancements, 2007 PC-2350 on: October 16, 2016, 04:16:36 pm
Added #36 Collapsible dish rack, dish tray, and cutting board working together.
32  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Hydraulic Jacks and Frame Bending on: October 16, 2016, 04:02:36 pm
Greetings to all you good people with hydraulic leveling jacks.  Have any of you tested to see how high the jacks will lift your PC on flat ground?  That would be an interesting fact.

I ask this because this past trip, we without leveling jacks were in a paved camp site that was 8" off according to our Hoppy levels.  Our Lynx leveling blocks are good for only 4" so we stayed two nights there at 4" off level.  If you wonder, our fridge running on 110v had no issues being off level like that.

Ron Dittmer
33  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Seeking Recommendations For A Compact Inside 110V Heater on: October 16, 2016, 03:48:35 pm
Thanks Dave R, I will look into the Vornado product line.
34  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Seeking Recommendations For A Compact Inside 110V Heater on: October 16, 2016, 03:45:02 pm
Hi jatrax,

Thank you for your thoughts.

With regards to the heater you mention, I imagine anything that burns a fuel consumes oxygen which would be considered a really bad idea to use in an enclosed motor home.  I seek a simple clean electric plug-in-110v heater like I have today, but is more energy efficient so the cord does not get so warm on higher settings.  Also just as compact and quiet.

Here is the 500w-1000w-1500w electric heater we use but want to replace it with something more safe.  It measures 8" x 8" x 6" deep and weighs just 3.3 pounds.  I wouldn't be looking at a replacement if the cord didn't get so warm on the 1000w setting, and the 1500w setting would not cycle on and off due to the self-over-heating.  I seek the same heat with less wattage in the same general size, wondering if a ceramic heater is the answer.

35  Main Forum / General Discussion / Seeking Recommendations For A Compact Inside 110V Heater on: October 16, 2016, 12:00:25 pm
Hi Everyone,

This past trip to New England, we had hook-ups many times and so we took advantage of our little 110v heater with 3 heat settings of 500w, 1000w, and 1500w.  It has what looks like springs inside that heat up to make heat.  At the highest 1500w setting, the unit cycles on and off because it runs too hot.  At the 1000w setting, it runs consistently but the plug gets warm.  At the 500w setting it's all good but does not generate enough heat.  So I am looking at replacing it with something more efficient and hopefully safer.  I hear about ceramic heaters but know nothing about them.  I am hoping to find a safe compact low wattage 110v heater that makes a lot of heat.

I hope you all with experience with these things can educate me.
Ron Dittmer
36  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Chassis Mods by Ford-Approved Subcontractor for PC -- Any Probs? on: October 16, 2016, 11:24:10 am
In a perfect word, everything liquid, from fuel to water to waste would be just forward of the rear tires.

It is interesting that the Sprinter has the fuel tank in between the axles.  It is the black thing hanging under the frame, just behind the driver.  The fuel filler is in the door pillar, integrated in a way that you don't realize it's there.
37  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Chassis Mods by Ford-Approved Subcontractor for PC -- Any Probs? on: October 15, 2016, 06:18:29 pm
Hi Michelle and Patricia,

With regards to the various Phoenix models, I understand the wheel base adjustments Phoenix specifies is primarily determined by the floor plan.  The rear wheel wells stick up through the house floor in every model to lower the floor to lower the over-all center of gravity of the motor home.  In our 2350 with the unmodified 158" wheel base, the passenger side wheel well comes up under our galley base cabinet.  The driver side wheel comes up under our fridge and coat closet.

If model 2351 used the same stock 158" wheel base, the rear overhang would be too much and the front/rear weight ratio unacceptable.  Using the next size stock 176" wheel base would place the driver side wheel well out on the bathroom floor to be tripped over, so Phoenix reduces the 176" wheel base by 6" to shift the wheel well forward under the closet.  I suppose you could raise the bathroom floor, step up into the bathroom, but then people like me would not be able to stand up in the bath.

Phoenix would not be stretching or reducing Ford frames nearly as much by building the floor 4" higher to completely eliminate the wheel wells.  But then Phoenix Cruisers would sit that much higher, making it like most other class C motor home brands that have an extra entry step.  4" does not sound like much, but it heavily influences the handling of the motor home.

Another influential factor in changing a stock wheel base would be plumbing.  For example, Phoenix cannot place a toilet too close to the rear axle for there is a required minimum axle to waste line clearance because the axle moves up and down a lot, and a little in other directions too.  Adjusting the wheel base is essential to offer the nice selection of floor plans.  Unfortunately once in a great while, a stretched frame will have something strange going on like I recall one owner dealing with drive line vibration.  Fortunately they did get it resolved.

I believe both Michelle and Patricia understand this, so I am posting this primarily for others.  Phoenix does not do wheel base modifications.  They send the chassis to a Ford approved shop who's sole job is modifying chassis wheel bases for the RV industry.  There is a document that Ford publishes on how it is to be done.  I understand there are specific Ford components with Ford part numbers that are available to make it happen.  Iron work, fuel lines, drive shafts, wire harness, brakes lines, everything needed to stretch or reduce the chassis has a Ford part I understand it.  So there are only so many different configurations of available wheel bases.  Again as I understand it.  So if the 2351 could get by with a 173" wheel base, that size is not available.  Phoenix is forced to go with a 170".  Once again, as I understand it.

38  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Factory Tour & Finalizing Option Choices on: October 14, 2016, 01:44:27 pm
I'd ask about better insulation as the roof and walls are thin so AC and furnace work hard to cool or heat the PC, maybe they can offer a better insulation material.

Took a long time to stop cracking our heads on open side swinging cabinet doors so ask if can be hinged to swing up to ceiling.
Hi randallandchris,

Boy oh boy, I can sure relate to your comment over the upper cabinets swinging upward to avoid hitting your head on an open door.  I am averaging one hit per week, one of them drawing blood this past trip.

About the matter over insulation.  I was just at the factory yesterday and looked closely at the production process.  I think Christ will return before PC agrees to thicker walls.  Increasing wall thickness will throw off everything they do, and will also add weight, one matter they are watching very closely.  Given current production practices there at Phoenix, it seems the only thing they could improve upon with regards to insulating the walls today, would be to introduce an injection foam process to eliminate every air pocket.  But foam expansion is a real science to control to avoid distorting the walls.  If the square tube studs, joists, and beams had holes every so many inches, the injection foam would get inside them too.  Then you'd have insulation as good as it gets, and the floor/wall/ceiling panels would be even stronger......but they are already quite strong with current production practices.

39  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Toad - Max Weight? on: October 14, 2016, 12:21:08 pm
Hi Dan,

Are you sure the curb weight of your Colorado is over 5000 pounds?  Double check that one.  If under 5k, as long as you don't fill it with supplies and other stuff beyond 5000, you'll be in great shape, just as you are.

We tow a 4200 pound Jeep Liberty with our 2007 2350 on a 2007 E350 with V10 engine.  Simply said, absolutely no issues towing it.  We do have a decent tow brake which helps to stop the train better than if not towing at all.

The only issue we have towing is that the front tires of the Liberty take a beating of uneven tread wear on the inside edges, from sharp cornering "left then right" or "right then left" in parking lots and gas stations.  Our Liberty has stock sized tires & wheels.  I would imagine it would be much worse if changing the tires and wheels to something bigger, wider, wider stance, more off-road aggressive.

40  Main Forum / Adventure Anywhere / Re: New England Fall Colors & Shores on: October 13, 2016, 10:43:39 pm
Hi All,

We just got back tonight.  Trying to keep this as short as possible, here was our trip.

- 3 weeks long
- Started from home near Chicago, drove through Detroit into Canada, entered back into the US through Montreal
- Spent some time around Lake Champlain
- A stop at the Ben & Jerry factory and stops at 3 maple sugar making farms & maybe 9 different covered bridges throughout the trip
- Went to the White mountains to learn we were too early for the fall colors
- Drove to Acadia and spent many nights at Haley's Point camp ground cheap $35/night electric & water, no waste (highly recommend A+ both for accomodations and location)
- Loved Bar Harbor, Cadillac Mountain, biked carriage roads, sightseeing, etc, then went back to White Mountains
- BAMB/POP! we hit the color change just right, and boy they were perfect, the locals said they were surprised to see it at it's best given the conditions this past year
- Stayed many nights in Twin Mountain, Ammonoosuc campground, $35/night full hook-ups (highly recommend with an A+, both accommodations and location)
- Drove to the fellow who sold us our PC in 2007, Don Keller of East Acres in Mendon MA, now retired...finally met the man who helped us into a PC.  This was before the recession when Phoenix sold through independent dealerships.
- Drove down to Newport Rhode Island to visit our niece
- Drove to Boston for a day to walk the Freedom Trail
- Drove to Phoenix USA in Elkhart to meet Earl Robbins for the first time, our last visit to Phoenix was 9.5 years ago.
- Straight to home thereafter

That pretty much covers the trip.

Earl gave us a very nice tour.  My wife and I really like the latest 2017 2351 features.  A 2351 with an extended galley for extra counter space & drawer storage, and that new stainless sink is oh so nice, but we would opt to keep the old stove design to accommodate larger pots and pans.  The new stove with glass top limits you to using very tiny pots & pans.  We still appreciate a no-slide dinette over a couch with table in a slide out.  We also got a real good look at the many features you all have since ours was built in 2007.  Those MCD shades, frame-less top hinged awning windows, Purgo flooring, on and on and on, very very nice enhancements were made over the years.  New for 2017 are those awesome durable, slam-shut outdoor storage compartment latches.  I wish there was an easy way to incorporate them into our PC, but it just isn't practical.  If you wonder.......No, we are not buying a new PC.  A 2351 will fit in our garage but we just ain't doing it.  We were not blessed with that kind of money, especially since I was forced into early retirement last November.  We thoroughly enjoyed our visit.  My wife Irene was surprised how much she enjoyed getting another tour after so many years ago.  She loved to see the changes PC made over the years, as did I.

Interesting facts Earl Robbins & Don Keller shared with us about Phoenix
- 20th Anniversary at hand.....Happy Anniversary Phoenix!
- 1997 model years started rolling out in late 1996
- They were all class B's, switching to making B+'s around 2002 was it?
- Today the factory has 25 full time and occasionally a couple of part time employees.
- Max output is two PC's per week of which they have been doing all this year.  It has been a very good year.
- A placed order is taking roughly 3 months to complete depending on deviations and other influencial factors
- When they can, they squeeze in a few units on the line that are not pre-ordered, but they get sold while on the line
- I gather it has basically turned into a made-to-order situation given demand is so high lately.
- A full body paint job adds roughly 3 additional weeks into the time line
- They seem to squeeze in repairs for current owners.  For example, someone was there getting his 2015 2910 repaired from a rear inner tire blowout that damaged the surrounding area
- As I heard from other visitors, the people there are all very kind.  You feel very welcomed there.
- I found it very educational.  Even my wife Irene was intrigued.

This was the first trip since we bought our PC back in 2007, where for the majority of our trip we had full (or near full) hook-ups, and we were in relatively flat terrain near populated areas where we could use air wave TV.  It took away nearly all the thought given to RV operations.  I was surprised how easy it was to find a signal to watch TV, primarily tuning in to watch the two presidential debates.  The only matter to think about was to Sanicon-dump the gray water tank frequently due to so much water usage.  This trip did not test dry camping capabilities at all.

Some years ago, I had bought a waste storage tube (never mounted) to store a Rhino gravity waste system I bought (still new in the box).  Though the Sanicon-dump was needed once in a while, I did not find it terribly inconvenient.  The benefit of doing so was flushing out the black tank with gray water.  The gravity method seems ideal for extended stays, like for weeks or a season at a time.

I had made some recent changes to our PC which finally got put to the test.  We loved our new bathroom shelf, common entry door keys, upgraded van door speakers, new dish racks & tray, multi-position, reversible sink-inset cutting board & work surface, and the new additional 12V and USB outlets in the Ford center console was great.  The volt meter I added in the monitor panel was nice to have, though with hook-ups so often I rarely needed to monitor the batteries.  It was our first easy trip with regards to operations.  One thing I want to buy is a nice compact ceramic floor heater.  We brought an old cheap electric one which was very nice to have, but I would like to have something better.

Interesting about having a volt meter now for the chassis battery and also the rear house batteries.  When the V10 engine was running, both voltages read the same and really never changed much at all.  This meant that the alternator consistently supplied all batteries a little less than 14V, regardless of circumstance.

41  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Cooktop Ignitor on: October 13, 2016, 09:39:13 pm

We just got back from a trip to New England.  During our trip, I mentioned your electric ignitor to my wife.  She said it would be really nice to have.  I think she will appreciate the battery version you installed rather than pressing and pressing.  I now have one more project for this winter.  I like where you installed the start switch too.

Thanks Again!
42  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Coleman 4-in-1 Table on: October 13, 2016, 09:31:57 pm
So are you all using that Coleman table inside your PC's as an alternative to the couch table?
43  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself! on: October 07, 2016, 10:20:21 pm
I am at Phoenix Cruiser's parking lot with my new 2351.

Enjoyed my walk through with Earl, though he did comment that is lookew d like a deer in the headlights of a 2351.

My 2351 is without a slide and with a dinette.  I am pleased with how the dinette turned out.  Both benches (because of the extra room in 2351 without a slide) are 2 1/2" wider with the same somewhat standard width of the dinette table top.  Earl explained that the crew lengthens the table top and benches (the length from the window towards the open room) when without a slide.  Now this decreases the room in the cabin, but makes a very nice size dinette and the bed with the extra 5" in the width of the two benches is not 70".  Not bad.

The problem is the 3rd seat captain's chair.  They put it too close to the wall rather than behind the passenger's seat such that it is limited in swiveling and unable to recline.  Will talk with Kermit tomorrow to see if it can be moved or possibly removed.



Your dinette sounds awesome.

Regarding your 3rd captain chair.  You need to first adjust it away from the wall before swiveling it.  When reclined while swiveling, it will hit the door jamb. Just raise the backrest, swivel, and recline again.  Play with that one.  Hopefully you'll figure it out.

Ron Dittmer
44  Main Forum / Adventure Anywhere / Re: New England Fall Colors & Shores on: October 07, 2016, 10:36:54 am
Hi All,

We are enjoying the landscape here in the White Mountains.  I describe it as a bowl of Skittles.
45  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Cooktop Ignitor on: October 07, 2016, 10:34:09 am
Very nice feature you installed fandj!  I'll have to ask my wife if she would like that.

Thanks for sharing.
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