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46  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Looking to purchase an 2006 or a newer 2551 on: April 01, 2016, 09:04:59 am
Jim, I did get that popup too.  I see the problem.  Frecklestweety misspelled craigslist.  CLICK HERE to see her ad.

I see her rig is built on a 2008 chassis, the only year of the current-day chassis with all the latest improvements, but with the earlier dash board design.  Apparently the current-day dash board wasn't ready for 2008.  I find it interesting how the dash board is interchangeable.
47  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Might Look At 2400 Used on: March 31, 2016, 02:39:54 pm
And so there we now have an ultimate "affordable" boondock extending solutionsolution from professor D.W.P.

Thanks for sharing.  When Irene and I plan to boondock for an extended period next time, I will run out beforehand and prepare us properly.

Ron
48  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Might Look At 2400 Used on: March 31, 2016, 09:54:51 am
I love that compact 8 gallon water cart Doneworking Paul.  Fashion a small 12V pump somehow and then nothing heavy ever gets picked up.  Thanks for sharing that.

Here it is for click-free viewing.
49  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Might Look At 2400 Used on: March 31, 2016, 01:43:06 am
Hmm, I did not realize the 2400 had only 31 gallons of fresh water.  It would not hurt to give the factory a call to see if they can bump it up by some amount for you.  You might have to loose something else to gain more water.  Be sure to understand the trade-off.

An alternative would be to carry extra water in another container for your waste tanks can handle it.  But then you'll need to store something like this, preferably up front to distribute weight better.
50  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Might Look At 2400 Used on: March 30, 2016, 08:34:15 pm
Hi PC Looking,

We have a 41 gallon fresh water tank in our 2007 2350 and we've been vacationing without hook-ups 100% of the time.  My wife and I do very well with that amount of fresh water.  In fact we do very well with our PC period.  Sure more of everything would be better yet, but then we'd be driving around in a monster diesel pusher.

We've owned our PC since new (9 years now) and like many others here, I have been making little improvements along the way to make it work even better for us.....admittedly I am running out of ideas  Smile

You mentioned that you were considering a 2011.  All I can say is that Phoenix seems to make little improvements in subsequent model years.  So other than "personal preference", I can say with confidence.....The Newer The Better.....and a 2011 is so very close to a new 2016.
51  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Finding out the hard way! on: March 30, 2016, 07:52:07 pm
Ah!

Thanks Barry Sue for that info on the Xantrax and it's location.  My hopeful suggestion is not going to apply in this thread.

Ron
52  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Finding out the hard way! on: March 30, 2016, 05:05:48 pm
You might want to try turning off your Xantrax inverter using the power switch on the inverter itself and see if that solves the power drain problem.  Don't rely on the control panel and/or the "kill switch by the main entry door.  Who knows, maybe that will resolve your power drain problem.

I suggest trying that because our older Tripp-Lite likes to sip power under certain "off" conditions.  The only guaranteed method for me to rest well is to turn off our Tripp-Lite inverter using the tiny power switch located on the inverter.

Also, make sure your light in the Sanicon compartment is turned off.  Maybe it gets power all the time like the Sanicon itself.
53  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Looking to purchase an 2006 or a newer 2551 on: March 28, 2016, 11:03:47 am
The battery invertor  issue is big deal for us as we want to  be able go off and not need to plug in . We also want the option of pulling a trailer some times . So Buying  a low mileage 2006 would still need upgrades and this all adds to the cost of ownership compared to buying a newer PC.
Considering the importance to you of the 2-battery-supported inverter and heavy duty stabilizer bars, I would not simply rule out every 2006.  It is a question to ask the seller, if their rig has them.  I thought Phoenix started installing twin batteries and whole house inverter as an option for 2006, or maybe it was a mid-year introduction.

When looking at the pictures of the 2006 in question.....If the battery storage compartment is mounted chest high (I believe on the 2551 driver side), the rig has a single battery.  If the compartment is mounted low on the passenger side like today, it has two batteries and also the whole house inverter.

I feel the biggest leap forward Phoenix made was early in the 2004 model year when they introduced the current-day rear wall with integrated spare tire & storage compartments along with the current-day main entry door.  Those two improvements are big winners by me.  That rear wall is so very solid, functional, and it looks good.  It does wonders in strengthening the house.  The double-wall strength it offers is so much stronger than earlier model years.  The current-day entry door introduced at the same time in 2004 is so very solid compared to the older PC door design, and also beats the competition.  I tell people shopping for a PC to consider no older than a 2004 for those two reasons alone, unless an earlier one is priced so attractively.
54  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Looking to purchase an 2006 or a newer 2551 on: March 26, 2016, 10:57:45 pm
Some good input from others.

As for me, I would consider the 2006 PC2551/E350 if it was in decent shape and priced accordingly.  I think the weight distribution on them is better than for the 2350/E350 (what we own) of the same generation which makes up for some of the difference being a little heavier.  One good thing about the E350 is that it will offer a softer ride.  I have not read so in a very long time, but I do recall long ago, owners complaining that their 2551 on the E450 had a rough ride.  It might have had too much surplus of chassis capability over actual weight, feeling more like an empty box truck bouncing down the road.  Maybe they resolved the problem by carrying more stuff ???

One thing certain, if the previous 2006/E350 owner did not invest in heavy duty stabilizer bars, I would plan to invest in them for decent handling.  The E350 made before 2008 has NO rear stabilizer bar unless added later.  And the stock Ford-installed front stabilizer bar is very wimpy, adding that the poorly designed end bushings wear out exceptionally fast rendering the wimpy bar even less effective.  Heavy duty front & rear stabilizer bars will do miracles for the handling, and they hold up beautifully for they mount differently.  Much of the problem goes away with a 2008 or newer Ford chassis E350 and E450 for the front bar design is better.  Even though not heavy duty, because there is one in front and back and mounted well for both E350 & E450, they are more effective than 2007 and older.

I think 2007 was the first year PC came standard with two batteries and the whole house inverter, so keep that in-mind if critical for you.  I personally would be okay with a single house battery if all house-battery-supported lighting is converted to low wattage LED to conserve electricity, and don't exclusively camp without power-pole electricity.  Two batteries are essential without hook ups in cold weather and relying on the furnace overnight.  Remember.......when your house battery(s) is dead, so is your fridge.

I would not worry about E350 part availability because the Ford E-Series is extremely popular.  Parts for old E350s are everywhere in stock and will likely remain so for many more years to come for there are so many older Ford E-series vans, box trucks, ambulances, and motor homes abound.  The proof is that you can easily get parts anywhere in the USA for the E-series made in the late 80's, and the chassis has been more popular than ever since those days.

As far as PC specific house parts are concerned, most are used today in 2016 model years.  I would not worry about that either.

Appliances and such might be another story in later years.  You might have to replace an appliance 10 to 15 years from now, instead of repair it.  But then maybe it's time to replace anyway for the sake of age alone.

A garage kept (or otherwise protected) 2006 2551 cream puff, priced right would be under my consideration.  Not so much if weather-beaten with dried up caulk and showing water damage.  Paying $20,000 more to get a rig 5 years newer, updated and well preserved could be worth the extra cost.

The cost percentage makes a little difference to me as well.
If the 2006 is $30,000 and the 2011 is $50,000 that is 70% more.  I may favor the 2006
If the 2006 is $50,000 and the 2011 is $70,000 that is 40% more.  I may favor the 2011

Ron here with all my bla bla bla.....   Smile  Sorry if it's a bit much.
55  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: towing. is it worth it for a 24ft? on: March 26, 2016, 10:35:10 pm
Just keep in-mind when towing any vehicle behind you.....

NEVER back up when towing a vehicle for it simply does not work.  The car has a mind of it's own, the tires going in their own direction in the first two feet backing up, and then it binds and you can't even move the RV back any longer.  Don't think having your spouse steering the car makes any difference because it doesn't.  Plan your gas station, grocery store, and restaurant maneuvers so you always move "forward".  If you get in a pickle of which we all have at one time or another, you simply unhook the tow vehicle, and drive them separately to an area where you can re-hook them together.  It takes a time or two before you get real good at it.  At camp sites we unhook on the street in about 60 seconds and pull the PC in first, the tow vehicle next.  It sounds complicated but it is not.  After your first trip, you will become an expert at it.

Always watch your mirrors closely in sharper turns like when pulling up to a gas station pump from an angle.  Your motor home will clear the pumps, but the tow vehicle doesn't if your approach is wrong.  You need to swing around bigger and more gradual to make it work smoothly.  Get the idea?

In the beginning we towed a tiny little 2 seater sports car, a 2000 Toyota MR2 Spyder.  It was a tiny tow yet I got into trouble with it a number of times on our first trip.  Now we tow a much bigger 2006 Jeep Liberty and I get into a bind not more than once per 3-4 week trip.  Unhook in 60 seconds, re-hook in 3-4 minutes.  I always seem to mess it up once in the early part of the trip.....like I need retraining or something. Smile
56  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Electrical Converter Question on: March 25, 2016, 02:21:19 am
My apologies for stepping into this conversation.  I obviously did not understand the depth of the question, nor able to contribute knowing now.  Embarrassed   It's way over my head. Blush
57  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Electrical Converter Question on: March 23, 2016, 11:30:03 am
Hi Fred,

I assume you mean "inverter", not "converter".  An inverter is like a converter in that it generates 12V when plugged into a 110V power source whether a power peg in a camp ground, or when running the generator.  But an inverter also generates 110V when operating exclusively off the pair of 12V house batteries.

Phoenix USA started installing inverters, not converters, in 2005-2006 as an option.  2007 was the first year the inverter became standard equipment on all PCs, unless deleted by special order request.

The first inverter was a Tripp-Lite 2000 watt which was installed 2005-2006 to 2009-2010
The second inverter was a Xantrax 1800 watt which was around 2011 to some time more recent.
I've lost track since.  Actually I thought the factory was still installing the Xantrax, so I am surely outdated on this.  Hopefully someone else will step in and fill all my history holes.

Our 2007 Tripp-Lite inverter has user-modified settings.  For example, I had to reconfigure it when I switched from conventional lead acid to AGM batteries.

Ron Dittmer
58  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Solar Panel Question on: March 18, 2016, 12:14:12 pm
You need to increase your clean space on the roof.  Other things on your roof may need to be relocated, changed, or deleted.  For example, you might need to delete the roof top rack, relocate a vent, or even delete a vent.  I don't know if the factory still installs the crank-up Winegard antenna, but if you are slated to get it, it takes up a lot of space on the roof.  Ask for a smaller (more expensive) fixed digital 360 degree antenna.

You get the idea.
59  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: PC on new Ford Transit 350 chassis? on: March 18, 2016, 11:44:47 am
I Got it donc13!

My paranoia is fueled by an experience I had with a 12 year old Ford Ranger bought with 42,000 miles.  It had a "C" frame like the E-series, but much thinner.  It suffered badly with barnacle rust.  I hit the frame with a hammer and the rust showered down.  I noticed the frame rust when I bought the truck, but did not realize the severity of it.  The frame was so weakened that the gap between the bed and the cab started to close up even though I never carried anything heavy in the bed.

With that Ford Ranger experience, it had me envisioning the weight of a motor home on a chassis with the same kind of frame rust.  It may not cause a crash, but would place severe stresses on the house which would initially show up as seams breaching and water getting inside.  I wonder if that is one of the causes why old motor homes start leaking so badly.....the house loosing it's strong foundation.
60  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Option on: March 16, 2016, 02:11:13 pm
About the finish of the interior cabinets.

Back in 2007 when ordering our PC, my wife won out.  I wanted the light cabinetry which I believe was maple back then.  But we got my wife's choice, the dark cherry.  With the original florescent lighting, it was very nice, but did lack something.  Since I converted all the interior lighting to warm LED a few years ago, my wife and I agree that the ambiance is much better.  I still would prefer lighter cabinets for a brighter interior in the daytime, but admit the cherry is not bad, just not my idea of "ideal".  My wife still loves her cherry interior.

I believe PC now installs warm LED lighting standard in all their rigs which I assume works great with the dark cherry, as does ours.
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