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46  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Disappointing gas mileage on: September 26, 2014, 08:15:28 pm
Every once in a while I will read a post like yours.  I can't explain why a few people get poor mileage.  The only thing I can suggest is to do what you can with driving habits and vehicle maintenance to see if you can influence it for the better.

Do keep in-mind that some people will claim great gas mileage.  I for example could say that our rig gets between 13 & 14 mpg on the open road.  Though true in one sense, it would be very misleading to proclaim.  If we travel on a level interstate highway with no winds and nobody near us (mainly night driving) at a steady 55 mph, our ScanGauge-II will be reading about those figures.  But keeping track of miles driven and gallons of fuel purchased throughout the duration of a vacation, we calculate trip averages of 9.5 mpg when towing our Jeep Liberty, and 10.5 mpg when not.  Also remember that we live in the Chicago area so much of our driving is done in the Great Plains where better mileage is achieved.

One other influence is generator usage.  Because it uses the fuel from the main fuel tank, the more you run the generator, the lower your gas mileage will calculate.

Oh yes, if your rig is built on an E450, most people seem to drop about 1 mpg due to the change in gear ratio in the rear axle differential.
47  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Length of 2450. Bumper to bumper on: September 23, 2014, 05:35:30 pm
Thanks! Yesterday we had a customer here at our shop with a 2010 2551 my wife and my daughter said "dad there is somebody here with a PC!!"
Wow, I had a great visit with them, very nice folks needless to say it wasn't long before I found myself standing in their coach talking about our Cruisers. Smile

Ron, we decided to get a 60" sofa instead of the 54" and also the small night stand with the lamp. We really like it for sleeping with the added 6":
Oh yes, I do see the end table tucked in there, a very nice touch with more relaxing room with the longer couch too.

I wonder if Phoenix could have a dinette option made of a table and a pair of recliners, but maybe only in a no-slide to gain enough wall space for the needed room.
48  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Length of 2450. Bumper to bumper on: September 23, 2014, 05:23:07 pm
Oh so nice a rig you have there.

You do have me scratching my head.  I expected the slide-out to have a pantry along with the couch.  Where did the extra foot go?  Into a bigger couch?

My head gears are turning dangerously again.  I'd like that extra length to go into a longer bed for more outdoor storage, and also to work with a bigger bathroom.  I wonder if Phoenix could make the bath that much bigger.
49  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Length of 2450. Bumper to bumper on: September 22, 2014, 12:34:34 pm
Ron ThankYou, the picture really help.My wife likes the fact that the chair swivels and reclines, looks nice. Thanks.      Bev and  Tim. Cheers
You are very welcome!

Just so you know, people with the Euro chair rave over it's comfort.  If you'll never need that seat for a 3rd passenger, you might consider the Euro chair.  It is more friendly with a slide out than without like ours.  The extra floor space created from the slide out, allows the Euro chair to be moved about the cabin.
50  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Length of 2450. Bumper to bumper on: September 22, 2014, 08:23:46 am
I believe it was in 1984, maybe 1985 when the RV industry was required to supply seat belts for every "official" seating position inside all motor homes.  If you bought a used rig without seat belts, most likely the previous owner removed them.  All PC dinettes, couches, and fixed individual seats have seat belts.

Regarding the later day Euro chair in many newer PCs including model 2350, it is not an "official" seating position.  It is not attached to the motor home for use when the rig is in motion.  It has a simple storing clamp to prevent it from moving around while the rig is driven.  Therefore it does not have seat belts.  If considering any PC with a Euro chair, you will have to replace it with a fixed chair typically mounted on a pedestal, bolted through the floor of the motor home.  If ordering a new PC, just ask the factory to do that for you, I believe at no extra charge.  I do not recommend the low back chair called a barrel chair.  Our rig originally came with that one but I replaced it with a 3rd matching captain seat for improved comfort and safety for a 3rd passenger along with great comfort when parked.  The low back barrel chair is not good for relaxing.

Here are pictures of our 3rd occupant captain seat with seat belts.  The pedestal it mounts to swivels and slides out from the center.

In this orientation I often slide the seat forward, (away from the wall) recline and use the dinette bench seat cushion as an ottoman.

My wife demonstrating one of many positions, here to watch a movie in comfort.
When sliding the seat in this position but into the isle, that passenger can look out the front window much better.  Their feet end up in between the two front seats.

For reference, here is a Euro chair.  Note the base is a metal ring that is not attached to the floor.
This seat is NOT to be used when driving.
51  Main Forum / Adventure Anywhere / Re: Advice on visiting Glacier National Park on: September 20, 2014, 11:13:18 pm
Regarding Bear In Glacier NP,

We had a number of bear sightings, but all in the area of Many Glaciers, and mostly along the road.  The hike to Ice Berg Lake, we saw a bear in the distance.  The trail was busy with hikers and we heard from others that the bear crossed the trail at one point.  While at Many Glaciers lodge there, we saw bear on the hills maybe a city block or two away.  Binoculars are a must for those viewings.

I would never let bear stories get in the way of enjoying a hike or other park activity.  If you want some peace of mind, buy a can of bear spray like my wife wanted.  It is extremely potent, an "X" amount of times stronger than pepper spray.  It has to be since you are spraying a cloud of it 30 feet away from you rather than a short pin-point stream like pepper spray.  Bear spray can be purchased in many area stores.  You really can't miss it.  We spend $30 or $40 on a larger can of it and always carried it when hiking.  It comes with a holster that attaches to one's belt for very easy access.

52  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: REAR AXEL OVER LOADED on: September 15, 2014, 12:12:47 pm
My 3100S fully loaded including two adults, one dog and full tanks (not sewer tanks) came in at 4,460 lbs front (540 lbs under max.); rear was 9,140 lbs, (360 lbs under max) for a total of 13,600 lbs (900 lbs under max).  I run the tires at the inflation rate as determined from the Michelin tables at  70 lbs front and 74 lbs rear.  Not sure what the actual calculated tongue weight is for my new Jeep Cherokee but I would guess I am still under max GVW and OK from the CGVW since the jeep's weight is 4250 lbs.   I  guess those three slides are sure heavy on the 29's?  I wonder how other brands put larger boxes on the 450 chassis and offer three slides as well, they must be way over weight coming out of the gate?   Hope this helps, thanks, Ron
So if you travelled with two or three additional people and heir belongings as the sleeping accommodations dictate, you would be right close to the limit, not over it.  ThumbsUp  That scenario is an "extreme" condition of which few would practice, but good to know it can be done.
53  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: REAR AXEL OVER LOADED on: September 15, 2014, 08:59:42 am
This thread is an eye opener for me with Phoenix.  It is well known that cut-away chassis rigs in general, have issues with weight in the longer lengths.  This is the first time I heard any PC having this problem.  But it really should not be surprising when considering the length plus 3 slide-outs of model 2910T.  It has me wondering the actual loaded up weight of a 2910D and 3100.  How much more weight do their slide outs add?  The tiny slide out option offered for our 2007 2350 added 400 pounds back in the day.

Regardless, it does seem the solution (under the circumstances here) to your problem is bigger tires with a higher weight rating.  As far as extra springs, I feel that if the rig is not sagging when loaded up, you wouldn't need them.  More springs will make for a rougher ride.  Who really knows about the actual limits of the rear axle assembly.

I hope you conclude with a satisfactory resolution.
54  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: REAR AXEL OVER LOADED on: September 10, 2014, 09:30:08 pm
Jim jas,

In the past, PC has placed a sticker about 6" x 5" or so, located on the inside of the right side kitchen galley door.  Maybe they place it inside another door today.  It explains the weight of the rig and the weight of added contents such as fresh water and propane, and the final CCC.

Regarding tire pressure recommendations, PC had always placed a sticker in the driver door jamb, for the recommended tire pressure, front and back tires.

If you don't have the stickers, call the factory and ask for them.  I am confident they will send them to you.
55  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: PC vs.Nexus on: September 09, 2014, 05:13:31 pm
Ron--I swear I thought you were gonna say all those big families could  stick their kids in those nice big storage bins! rolling on the floor just kill me.  Smile
56  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Over-sink cutting board on: September 09, 2014, 09:46:43 am
I bought a large thick white plastic cutting board.  I really like your idea.  I think I will cut our board to drop into that space.  A fantastic idea you have there.   ThankYou  A "Mark Helpful" for you.

That is such a great idea, I think that something the factory should be including.
57  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Rust on interior of door frame on: September 09, 2014, 09:44:22 am
All of your posts prommpted me to check my 2012 2552 and found the same problem rust.  I figure it is a result of my trip down to Florida last winter.  One question I have , did anyone remove the electric step before applying chassis saver.  It would seem that there probably is rust under the step.  I also found rust on other things under motorhome and plan treat them as well.  How far doesa quart of this stuff go?
I was all ready to apply a couple coats of protection.  It had ben many years since I looked under there and assumed it was screaming for help.  But our step box is hardly rusted, more like virgin metal with a little more than discoloration.  But what really stopped me was that I would definitely remove that step mechanism to do it right.  I figured given our particular situation, it was not worth  doing yet.

Our rig has not seen salt as of yet and stored indoors, apparently why so little degradation.
58  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: PC vs.Nexus on: September 08, 2014, 09:43:18 am
Extra storage is great only if you have the ability to safely carry the extra stuff otherwise you have very nice, but empty, bins.
 You are right about that.  Some manufactures offer huge storage but is weight-capable deficient.  I think those rigs are ideal for a young family so the parents can haul all the kids huge light-weight plastic riding & play toys to the camp ground.....very bulky but no weight.
59  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: New PC owner Coaster on: September 08, 2014, 09:04:34 am
We just bought a 2013 PC 2350 frrom Earl in July. We are retired and live in Chicago and Englewood Florida for the winter. If you have found any groups or clubs we should join, let us know. Looking forward to using our PC.

Chet & Marsha
Yet another new PC owner.  It is great that so many new owners get connected on this form.  We learn so much from each other.  Welcome Chet & Marsha.
60  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself! on: September 08, 2014, 09:02:19 am

We are the new owners of the 2013 custom gold painted 2400 PC shown on the PC website and on Tube.  Bought it in Ft. Pierce FL the beginning of Aug and took our first 2 week trip to Missouri to see friends last week.  We named it The Bear Den since our 10 yr old rescue male Bichon, Polar Bear, and our 12 yr old Sun Conure Parrot named Sun Bear, travel with us. This was our first RV and first time camping. The dog bed fits nicely behind the drivers seat and the bird cage between the chairs during the day and on the back counter by the ref at night.  A good time was had by all until the trip home.  A rock went through the windshield, kicked up by dump truck in AL.  Insurance company had it fixed by SafeLite promptly.  Then our slide got stuck and the cabinet side would not move.  Were able to manually push it in and out until we got home and call Kermit.  Will be working on fixing it this week. Anyone with tips or tricks please respond.  We stayed mostly at State Parks with full hook ups.  No reservations just stopped when we were tired.

We looked for 6 months and the 2400 was the only unit for us. We did not want to waste space on a separate bedroom, wanted the door at the back, kitchen, bathroom and comfortable seating were a must.  This unit gives us all that and more.  Everything we need fits and everyone is comfortable.  Love our new PC even with the glitches..javascript:void(0);
Steve and Paulette (and the Bears)
Another new PC owner.  Awesome!  Welcome.

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