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46  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: About Dinettes, Why A Dinette Is Bigger When Not In A Slideout on: September 08, 2016, 09:54:07 pm
I have the ability to compare the cloth and vinyl (called Ultra Leather) seats because I have lived with both types as shown.  In-fact, I still have both types.  My cloth cushions are in a shipping carton, ready to ship as soon as I find a buyer for them.

Sorry about the change in lighting ambiance.  It makes it difficult to compare.


Back in 2007 when we ordered our PC, we ordered the dinette with the cloth seat cushions on the left.  At that time (maybe still today), the cloth cushions are filled with a low density foam.  I am 180 pounds and I bottom out on the cloth seats when I lean to one side with all my weight on one butt cheek.  My wife at 70 pounds less does not have that problem.

Five years later we ordered the vinyl cushions which are filled with memory foam.  It is much more dense and are much more comfortable to sit on for extended periods.  I do not bottom out on these cushions.  They are also a little thinner which provides a little more room away from the table in both directions.

The cloth makes it much harder to enter and exit from the dinette.  The cloth grabs and likes to wrinkle.  We have to lift our body up off the cushion and straddle to the next position and repeat as necessary.  The vinyl is very easy by comparison for the surface is slippery and dense.  We sit & slide and are done.  Repositioning myself for comfort sake is no issue at all, unlike the cloth.

If the cloth cushions offered today, have memory foam like our vinyl cushions, that would help some, but the real cure is getting the vinyl.  As cold as it can feel, it's still the better choice.  At least it is for us.  We wear long pants and longer shorts so there is minimal skin contact anyway.

I really don't understand why the vinyl is an expensive upgrade from the cloth.  It's just vinyl after all.  I wonder if the extra expense is in the memory foam.  I find it hard to believe the cost is in the vinyl material itself.  I know it's vinyl because I unzipped the cushions and looked at the back side.
47  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: changing to bilstein shocks on: September 08, 2016, 11:13:55 am
I believe changing from stock Ford shocks to heavy duty Bilsteins or any other brand of shock, will improve the handling alone.  If anything, they will make the ride a little rougher.  After all they are "Heavy Duty".  There is only one exception that I know of.  That is the Koni FSD shock.  FSD stands for Frequency Selective Dampening or something like that.  It becomes a soft riding shock under normal/ideal road conditions.  When road conditions call for it, the shocks instantly transform into heavy dutys.  It works simplistically using a mechanical valve inside the shock that opens and closes pending the flow of fluid within the shock via the rate and travel of compression.  At least that is how I understood it.
48  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Improvements & Enhancements, 2007 PC-2350 on: September 08, 2016, 01:16:18 am
Added #32   Got our PC down to 3 keys, 2 less than before.
49  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: New King Bed for 2552 on: September 08, 2016, 12:52:22 am
We could never buy a new PC (no money for that) especially one longer than ours due to the limitations with our garage.  But.....  I always thought it would be nice to have a raised double or queen bed across the rear wall with the option to sleep with your head to either side.  Have captain drawers under the bed facing forward.  Have a pass-thru rear storage compartment under the back half of the bed with access from both sides and also from the rear.  Keep the bed area spacious so people can move around on it without hitting themselves on a hanging cabinet.  Just dreaming here.

For 2017, I hope Phoenix has a spare hanging underneath or hidden elsewhere.  If not, then that will be a really big disappointment for me.  I think the integrated spare tire compartment has been a significant selling feature, though it has always been a lot of weight located in the absolute worst place.

I see they replaced the flexible braided valve extenders with fixed ones.....I like that!


I also see they replaced the sink and stove with a new style, still flush mount.  Sink still gets Corian covers like before.  That sink looks quite nice.  It appears to be deep enough and wide.


The stove has a hinged glass cover like other RV manufactures offer.  I don't know how to feel about that.
50  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Anyone Else With This Stove Related Problem? on: September 06, 2016, 01:01:11 pm
When we order our new PC I am thinking of specing this style stove.  This should eliminate the burned knob problem.



The Phoenix stoves are inset so the matching counter covers can go over it. That is one of the awesome things everyone notices when they compare their rigs to ours. They are seriously jealous of our potential counter space. My suggestion is to make sure you would still be able to have the stove covers with the new configuration. Many rigs have metal caps that fold down over the stoves. The feedback I've had is the caps rattle, get in the way and are downright ugly. Our counter is gorgeous and multi-functional. We would never go the other way.
I agree with 2 Frazzled.

Adding: The stove with the knobs on the side as pictured, will negatively impact the size of the drawers in the base cabinet.

As with everything else "RV" it is all about trade-offs, one for another.  I personally would rather replace our knobs now and then to keep the counter top and base cabinet configuration we have today.
51  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Rear Compartment Lined With Outdoor Fabric on: September 06, 2016, 12:43:41 pm
Very nice! Ron, it isn't a matter of having nothing else to do, it's a matter of doing what you like and enjoy... and that which doesn't stress you out. For you, these little upgrades and fixes may not seem like a lot but they make you happy. What else can you ask for?
Thank You!
52  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Kicken' the tires on: September 05, 2016, 11:00:51 pm
We kicked the tires of a 2350 at an RV show before ordering that same floor plan minus the slide out.  I would not recommend ordering a floor plan you have never walked through.  Find someone in your area with the floor plan you are serious about.  What might look right for you in pictures and floor plan diagrams, may not work in reality.  It is hard enough to get it right after walking through the one you want.  Just ask the people who traded in their first on a second one, a few people did that twice to get it right...3rd time's a charm.

We did good with our choices for us with our taste and desires from our previous RVing experience.  There will be always something trivial to do differently.  I was able to address some things myself after the fact.  We are still on our #1 after nine years and plan to keep it that way until our drivers licenses are taken from us.  At age 58 now, that is still some time away.  Then it will be back to #0.

I think it is good to walk through the floor plan you want via a private owner's unit as well as at the factory.  If the owner is honest, he will share the bad along with the good.  That is something you can't get from the factory.  The owner could enlighten you about the lack of storage, issues with sleeping accommodations, lack of sufficient cooling, poor handling.....as some examples.  If it's an older unit, he could share how well his rig has held up, issues dealt with, etc.  At the same time, you can get much of that same kind of information from us here.  But seeing it rather than reading it will be better education.

But don't skip the factory visit either, even if they don't have your floor plan.  You'll learn tons from that visit.

53  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself! on: September 04, 2016, 12:35:26 am
Hi to all!  This is the Tall Guy aka Gary just dropping a line to say hello.  My wife and I are from Plainwell, Mi, currently we do not own a PC but are planning to place an order in 2-3 years.  We would only be able to use it four weeks a year for vacation plus a handful of weekend getaways and I can't see letting something that cost that much sit idle.  My wife is retiring in two years and I'll be following two years later.  After that it's look out America here we come!  Currently we travel and sleep in the back of our GMC HD2500 king cab 8' bed 4x4 truck with a topper,  I built a platform above the wheel wells and storage underneath.  It works great but we're getting older and are looking for a little more luxury especially when it's raining cats and dogs!  I'll be poking around the forum asking questions from time to time and offering input on travel destinations I'm familiar with.

Starry skies to all!
Hi Gary,

Welcome to the PC forum!

When you finally get your PC, you and your wife will be asking yourselves why you waited so long to get the right travel mobile.

We bought our PC eight years before I was forced retired, handing my job over to Penang Malaysia engineering last year.  During my working years, we would travel under much of the same time restrictions you have.  Given our later-year physical needs and comforts, our previous travel accommodations HERE went on for way too long.  The last trip we took in the old rig had a last-straw moment where we new it was over and done with.

Anyhow, I hope you hang around and learn much about the good and the little bad too.  If you don't already know, there is no such thing as the "perfect motor home".  But the PC line-up rides near the top of the list, especially when considering the money spent.

Again,   Welcome
54  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Improvements & Enhancements, 2007 PC-2350 on: September 03, 2016, 02:57:15 am
Added #31 Rear Compartment Outdoor Carpet Liner
55  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Entry Lock on: September 03, 2016, 02:49:09 am
Well this thread had me taking action today getting my entry door locks key'd alike, and getting my spare tire cover key'd to the rest of the outside compartments.  I dropped off my lock parts at our local locksmith.  Total cost will be under $40.  For the spare tire, he is replacing the lock because the key is too different, but reusing the lever portion from the original lock at a cost of $28.  The main entry door re-key will cost me $17, but I handed him the tumbler and the right key which was no easy task.  To get the tumbler out, I had to drill out 4 rivets, then drill and tap threaded holes for reassembly.  I'll insert the re-key'd tumbler after final assembly.

UPDATE 9/7:  I got the lock tumblers back from the locksmith, reassembled quickly and am all done.  $40 for 40% fewer PC keys and less hassle.  Down to 3 keys now.  One more little PC project put behind me.




56  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: About Dinettes, Why A Dinette Is Bigger When Not In A Slideout on: September 03, 2016, 02:27:40 am
Well the seats are gone off to upholsterer to get in first class condition. Brand new dinette looked bad.
Do you have any pictures you could share of the problem you had with your brand new dinette cushions?  I never heard anyone have trouble with them before so you caught my curiosity.
57  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Rear Compartment Lined With Outdoor Fabric on: September 03, 2016, 01:45:25 am
I must have nothing better to do now that I am retired.  Smile

After I removed all the scuff marks inside the rear compartment, I added outdoor fabric designed for water to run through it very quickly.  The gray color matches the rest of the interior perfectly.  I cut it to 94" x 7".  I installed it such that it rides up the side with all the sealant for a nice look.  I bought the material at Menards.  It is sold on those massive carpet rolls in their carpet department.  The material is sold by the foot so I bought just one foot  I don't recall the cost but it is real cheap.

I thought of holding it down in spots with carpet tape, but then figured if it stays put on it's own, that would allow me to easily remove it to clean it as needed.  I could always add carpet tape later if it slides around.





58  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Anyone Else With This Stove Related Problem? on: September 03, 2016, 01:26:34 am
I finally got the stove knobs and backing replaced.  I feel much better now.  Now if I could just get my wife to remember to use the large left-side burner when cooking with the large griddle.  Smile
59  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Xantrex Pro 1800 Inverter Problem on: September 01, 2016, 02:31:16 pm
We had a similar condition in our first motorhome seen here with both dinette bench seats.  Like you Pax/Mike, I let the platforms just sit in there.  In our case they were located right behind the driver & passenger.  They rattled while driving which made us crazy.  Worse yet they squeaked with every little movement when sleeping on it.  I resolved the matter using the clothy side of self-stick Velcro on a roll, using it as a perimeter gasket.  If I added the plastic hook side of the Velcro all around on the mating surface, I'd never be able to remove the platforms.  It worked so well that I never gave any thought to adding a few spots of the hook side of Velcro.  But it might be beneficial in a PC.

I also drilled a 1" hole in a good area to get my finger in there to easily lift the platform.  In the case with a standard single PC bed, maybe two holes spread apart, one for each hand would be better.


60  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Xantrex Pro 1800 Inverter Problem on: September 01, 2016, 09:22:41 am
Hmm, that's another do it yourself project we may pay Phoenix to do - convert the passenger side bed in our 2552 to lift like the driver's side does so we can access those components stashed under there. I figure they don't want people messing with them but I can be well behaved with that. I'd just like to be able to see them, test them and resecure them when necessary... and eventually go for that pure sine wave inverter to protect phones and such.
I think the factory does that to be child-proof.  It may be a law or an insurance requirement.

Immediately after we bought our PC, I modified the means to access our inverter.  At least in our particular application, they made it easy enough to change.  It was simple to remove the two hinges that sealed the access door, add a latch to keep it closed, and finish up with a matching door knob.

I have been in that compartment countless times to turn the inverter on/off because the control panel does not completely kill our old Tripp-Lite inverter.  When on trips, we keep it turned off most of the time to conserve battery power.  I think the newer inverters don't have that issue.  Ours is 9 years old now.
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