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46  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: wood grain veneer sagging over speedometer on: December 26, 2016, 09:42:15 pm
Yeh, the wood grain is added by Phoenix.  The picture here shows how they receive the chassis from Ford....plain black plastic dash.

47  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: wood grain veneer sagging over speedometer on: December 26, 2016, 09:09:07 pm
Hi Jim,

I suggest calling Phoenix directly and ask them your question.  I suspect your wood grain is held in place with a specific two-face tape, and it has failed.  The factory will be able to provide specific instruction on removing the wood grain and how to reinstall it.  You should also be able to purchase the proper two-face tape from Phoenix at a very reasonable price.  Phoenix's phone number is 574-266-2020.

Ron Dittmer
48  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: What does your Phoenix weigh? on: December 26, 2016, 04:35:26 pm
Hi Ron,
Thanks for reassurance from an expert!
Our rigs are almost the same, as that extra foot on mine is simply taken up by a closet/pantry, one each side, both close to the rear axle.  I notice our weights are pretty close, too, with mine slightly heavier on both axles.
Since you have an axle weight, not corner weights, I'd just caution you to perhaps take care how much you load into that right rear storage compartment, especially if you travel with full water.  I think that's the weak point on our models when it comes to weight distribution in the design.
Happy trails, and safe miles!
P.S. After upping my rear tires to 72psi today and going for a drive, I could tell it felt better.  Great ride and, if anything, it took the bumps better than before!

Hi Carol,

First of all, I am the last person here to be labelled an "expert".

So you have a 2351?  You might want to update your profile to reflect it.

I agree with you about the weight distribution with special consideration to the right rear corner storage.  Unlike the current-day models of the 2350 and 2351, the fresh water tank in our 2007 model is right above the rear bumper in the worst possible place.  It does make the outdoor storage compartment much bigger, but we have to be careful what we put inside it.  I store our light weight bulk in the rear storage compartment, our Coleman grill, 4 bags of Lynx Levelers, and similar light weight stuff.  I do my best to counter-balance that weight by storing our heaviest items (tools and such) in the dinette bench seat right behind the driver seat.  Still our weight distribution could be a lot better.  If only our fresh water tank was inside the front dinette bench for better weight distribution.  I would then store the tools and such in the rear dinette bench seat.
49  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: PC 2350 Questions on: December 26, 2016, 01:56:42 pm

To be honest, when leveling our PC on our Lynx Leveler blocks, I drive up on the outside rear tire only.  The inside tire is suspended in the air.  This is not the official recommended method, but it is what I do.
50  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Anyone do anything custom in the 3100 slide out? on: December 26, 2016, 10:45:46 am
We have the dinette with cushions of memory foam and covered in vinyl.  My wife and I find the dinette very comfortable.  We can sit and play a long game of Scrabble without a complaint.  But our dinette is not a place to kick back and relax, so we take turns with our 3rd captain seat.  We could turn our front passenger seat around so we could both relax, but it is not convenient to do on a whim.  We will turn it around primarily when we have visitors, or if staying put for a while.

Some people have requested two captain seats and a fold-open table instead of the dinette, a very comfortable alternative.  Of coarse then you give up the bed conversion and all the extra storage.

Ron Dittmer

Here is our front passenger seat turned around.  We can get enough foot room when positioning the 3rd seat better.  This picture demonstrates how you could use the front seat as an ottoman when watching TV.
51  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: What does your Phoenix weigh? on: December 26, 2016, 10:08:39 am

My tire pressure story is nearly identical to yours.  When I put in the proper tire pressure per the Michelin chart, my tires appear way to low in air.  They look terribly under-inflated.  So I put in 60-65 psi in the two front tires, and 65-70 psi in the four rears.  I provide a 5 psi variance depending on how I am feeling about my load on that particular trip.  I do make sure the two front tires are identical to each other, and the four rear tires also match each other.

You should never put different tire pressure to match the weight of a particular corner for it negatively affects how your rig will handle.  That is why axle weight (not corner weight) is enough information for me in our situation.  But we don't have a slide out along with consideration to our distributed load, it should not create a significant variance between corners.

Ron Dittmer
52  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: What does your Phoenix weigh? on: December 25, 2016, 03:16:12 pm
Our 2007 2350 with NO slide-out, weights as pictured.  Our PC is built on a 2007 E350 chassis with a GVWR of 11,500 pounds.

Pay SPECIAL ATTENTION to the following.
The #2 empty weight and #3 max load weight on the front axle is nearly identical.  All the extra weight we carry ends up on the rear axle.  No matter how hard I try my best to place as much weight forward as possible, the teeter-totter effect cancels my effort.  If I did not make the effort, the front axle would be lighter when loaded, than when empty.  With that consideration, it makes sense why I benefit from front & rear heavy duty stabilizer bars, heavy duty shock absorbers, a rear trac bar, and a Safe-T-Plus steering stabilizer bar.

#1 Here is the official sticker that Phoenix USA provided when purchased.

#2 Here is the actual "empty" weight of our PC years later with consideration to some interior modifications I made.  It has a full tank of fuel, full tank of LP gas, and NO fresh or waste water.  No supplies or people inside it either.

#3 Here is our PC loaded to the hilt with full gas, full LP, full fresh water, all our extra stuff carried that particular trip including multiple cases of drinking water, and Irene and me in front seats.
I consider this a worst-case condition for us.
53  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: New to forum on: December 24, 2016, 10:11:35 am
We also like the 2552, although it would not fit in our driveway without some creative landscaping.  The 2551 would just barley fit.

Do you have the dinette or sofa model.  I suppose there's plus's and minus to both.  We do like to cook and eat.

Ernie Hutchins
Hi Ernie & Pattie Hutchins.  Welcome to the Phoenix Cruiser forum!

You are asking your questions in the right place, and getting some great responses.

About the dinette.....I wanted to comment that we have a dinette in our 2350 and we "Really Love" it so very much.  Anything else for us wouldn't do.  We lived 24 years without a dinette and will never go back to that again.  Our 2350 dinette originally had cloth over standard foam.  We later switched to vinyl over memory foam which made a huge improvement in comfort and getting into and out from the bench.  As expected, the vinyl covering is a bit uncomfortable at first but quickly warms up to our body temperature.  For us, it is the right material.  The cloth covering didn't let us slide in/out or even shift our weight without lifting ourselves up for every maneuver.  It was ridiculous.  The cloth also deformed and wrinkled because of it.  The memory foam is thinner and much more dense than our original standard foam.  The thinner memory foam we have offers more elbow room and being more dense, it keeps it's shape much better to avoid wrinkles and it supports my butt so much better too.  I used to bottom-out on our old cloth cushions, even though they were thicker, and I weigh 180 pounds.

You can get a dinette in a 2551, but ONLY if you DON'T have the slide out.  It will look nearly identical to our slide-less 2350 dinette shown below, of coarse minus the extra seat on the opposite wall.

The 2552 offers a dinette inside the slide out by sacrificing the pantry next to the fridge.  If you go slide-less in the 2552, you may be able to have both the dinette and pantry.  But deleting the pantry in a slide-less scenario offers a bigger dinette.  It gets you a bigger table and more leg room of which both are welcomed for eating "AND" cooking & cleanup.  With that said, I suggest you consider forgetting the driver side pantry in both scenarios (slide out or not).  You'll still have the pantry to the right of the stove, so you'll have one pantry instead of two.

The 2552 offers an additional seat called the Euro chair.  That 3rd seat is great.  Everyone loves it with their slide out.  I do wonder if going slide-less, you may be better off with a 3rd fixed captain seat like we have in our slide-less 2350 shown here.  It might be more friendly given the tighter living quarters.  That would be a good question to ask the PC community.

Merry Christmas!
Ron Dittmer

Here are our old cloth cushions.  Note they are just a little thicker.

54  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Opinion time on: December 24, 2016, 12:48:12 am
Hi garmp,

I think your question would be better directed specifically to people who own a 2100 because that model will handle very differently than all other models.  I suspect you will find most 2100 owners in support of investing in something like a Safe-T-Plus.  Some owners will suggest investing in more than that.

But like Dynadave says, you might want to wait and see for yourself, how poor the handling is without any such upgrades to the suspension.

Ron Dittmer
55  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Slideout or not and Mercedes vs E-450 on: December 22, 2016, 09:06:00 pm
Hi sailers35,

There is one thing the Sprinter cannot do.  It cannot be used on any PC models other than the 2350 and 2400.  This is because, unlike the Ford E350 and E450, the Sprinter frame cannot be adjusted in any manner.  So it is locked into only those two models, 2350 & 2400.

About a slide out.  Most everyone likes them period.  There are a few like myself that intentionally avoided a slide out.  I have my list of reasons, but I think the greatest consideration is how people use their PC.

Some people spend a lot of time in their PC, like being snow birds for example, traveling south in winter.  Their PC becomes home for a good long while and the people enjoy life at home in their PC just like they would at their brick & mortar house.  So for them the room inside is greatly valued.  The roomy interior offers great comfort and elbow room.  Many RVers travel with pets so the roomy interior becomes even more valuable.  The extended weekend warrior type love to get away from regular life, kick back, grill some good food, watch a fire dance, and enjoy the company of family and friends.  A slide out helps make that experience that much better.

Then there is another way people use their PC, like my wife and me where a slide out just doesn't contribute so much.  The only time we'd hang around our PC for the day would be because of really bad weather.  Otherwise we are out all day every day in our tow vehicle to trail heads and sightseeing.  We come home to our PC after dark, eat, do a little relaxation, maybe watch a movie, then it's off to bed.  About 1/3 to 1/2 of our vacationing nights are spent on the road in places like Walmart parking lots and rest areas where having a slide out hanging out for another vehicle to hit it is a really bad idea.  It is also a strong signal that we are there for the night, something I prefer not to advertise so well in some places.  So for our travel style along with my list of piddly reasons, a slide out isn't for us.  Mind you, it would not be a disaster for me to have a slide out.  I just strongly prefer not to.

Now if we did the snow-bird thing every winter, I could feel quite different about having a slide out.
56  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: PC 3100 - What's not to like? on: December 22, 2016, 08:24:53 pm
Thank you David Rotelle for the pictures.

It appears there is a carpeted enclosure running through the passenger side under-bed storage.  It must be the drain pipe from the kitchen or bathroom along that wall to get over to the waste tank in back below the floor.  I think it is kept above the floor to protect it from freezing.

Very interesting!

Is the fresh water tank placed under the driver side bed with a little inside storage available?
57  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: PC 3100 - What's not to like? on: December 22, 2016, 10:31:23 am
This picture is of a "custom" 2910. One slide and twin beds in the rear--just like ours!
Nice Gradygal!
58  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Thanks to forum members. on: December 22, 2016, 10:25:02 am
So it is now "official" for Dave and Nina.  Congratulations you two.  May you have many safe and wonderful travels in the coming years.

Merry Christmas!
Ron Dittmer
59  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: PC 3100 - What's not to like? on: December 22, 2016, 10:05:01 am
Now that's what I'm talkin about! We would love the arrangement you describe. It should solve the weight issue. If PC made it an optional configuration and not custom the cost should be less than a 2910T or 2910D. Now that would be a fine Christmas present!

Merry Christmas to all!


You might be pleasantly surprised as to Phoenix's charge for a rear captain's bed.  It is surely worth a call to Earl.

And a Merry Christmas to all from me too!
Ron Dittmer
60  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: PC 3100 - What's not to like? on: December 22, 2016, 12:04:08 am

That surely appears to weigh significantly less than the rear double bed slide out version.

Because my wife and I like to sleep together in the same bed, if we wanted a 2910D/T or 3100 with the rear bedroom like you have there, I would see if Phoenix could make a captains queen bed in the same space, built across the back wall with drawers or cabinet space with shelves under the bed forward, and outdoor storage rearward.  Maybe the fresh water tank could be relocated more forward inside a no-slide dinette bench seat.
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