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61  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Question About Towing on: May 05, 2015, 04:08:51 pm
gradygal, I assumed every PC was equipped with the typical dual wheel mudflaps.  Are you sure they were not simply over-looked when the rig was built?  Call the factory and ask if you should have them.
62  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Question About Towing on: May 05, 2015, 02:16:48 pm
There is no evidence our 2350 throws rocks at the tow vehicle.  Our PC does have mud flaps just behind each pair of rear wheels as I believe we all do.

What I do see is fine sand accumulating around the windshield wiper area, I assume just other air born debris that whips around the rig and settles on the Jeep.  Our previous tow vehicle sat a lot lower and had a lot more accumulated sand and such in the wiper area.

Then again, maybe it does come up from the rear tires.  Wherever it originates, at least it's nothing sizeable.
63  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Newbie - First Trip on: May 05, 2015, 02:11:27 pm
I wished we had more time in our lives to attend those reunions.  I hope to once retired.

I do pick Kermit's brain now and then, but only for PC specifics after exhausting all other efforts elsewhere.  That seems to be about once a year.  He really is a great guy and business man.
64  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Converting From Two 12V Batteries To Two 6V Batteries on: May 05, 2015, 11:00:36 am
My friend the Ford mechanic/technician stated the following to me.

"The data available to me does not state amperage, only that it left the factory with heavy duty alt #6C2Z-10346-BA. that changes to a re-manufactured part still available thru ford. 6C2Z-10V346-BBRM1 @ $133.00 + 75 CORE. 2 YR WARRANTY."

I hoped to get the amperage from him, oh well.  So I called my local Ford dealer parts department about that alternator part number.  He asked me for my VIN number, then told me my chassis is equipped with a heavy duty 150 AMP alternator, which is EVEN MORE than I expected from an upgrade.

So now I am just going to let go of my alternator concerns, monitor my Scan Gauge for voltage output, and learn what I can from it.  I am more comfortable with my decision to go with a pair of 6V AGM batteries.

And Randall, Thanks for that bit of information.
65  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 12 volt air compressor on: May 04, 2015, 05:01:06 pm
We bought THIS tire repair kit from Walmart years ago which includes a 12V compressor.  If you get a clean puncture, you can actually repair the tire on your PC with a plug, pump it up and get to a shop for a proper repair.  Admittedly we have not yet used the kit so I cannot say how any of it works including the compressor.  It is a small kit, very easy to store in a PC or tow vehicle.
66  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Converting From Two 12V Batteries To Two 6V Batteries on: May 04, 2015, 10:48:20 am
You ask a good question Tom.

A few people are commenting that the Ford-V10 engine alternator is questionable because the AGMs require 14.4 volts for charging, but the alternator fluctuates between 13.5 & 14.5 volts.  I find it hard to believe that AGM batteries, whether 6V in series, or 12v in parallel, can't work.  If that is the case, then I would think AGM batteries would not work in most other vehicles either.

But Continue Reading.

HERE is a Ford document that supports their claim over the lack of energy.  I think the standard alternator back then was 115 amps, the document mentions a more powerful 135 amp alternator.  Given the document identifies the 2004-2006 model years, I wonder which alternator I have in my 2007 and wonder about newer model years as well.

I just called the 877 number on the Ford document and left a recorded question regarding which alternator I have.  I included my chassis VIN per their instruction.  I am supposed to hear back in two days.  Hopefully I will actually get to talk with someone so I can ask the question if the more powerful 135 amp alternator became a standard in the RV chassis made after 2006.  Maybe AGM batteries work properly only with the more powerful 135 amp alternator which is why everyone has conflicting experiences with AGM batteries.

It appears that if I have the lesser alternator and want to upgrade to the 135 amp alternator, there is some special ECM programming required as defined HERE.  It may be a dealer installed operation, more than simply swapping alternators.  I hope I already have the 135 amp alternator.

I will report back when I hear back from Ford.
67  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Converting From Two 12V Batteries To Two 6V Batteries on: May 04, 2015, 07:38:13 am
I have this same topic posted in HERE of which a few people there are telling me that if I had bought two 12V AGM batteries,  I would have technically benefitted the same, and not have needed to change the battery tray.  They say when changing from 12V wet acid to 6V wet acid, that is where there is much to gain with battery performance.  But switching from 12V wet acid to 12V AGM will benefit the same, technically speaking.

It could be these two sources of information are "opinions" or they could be dead right.  I really don't know because this subject matter of floating and soaking voltages under hot and cold conditions is a bit confusing to me.  I just wanted to share this with you to be as thorough as possible.
68  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / How To Test Your Suspension. Does It Need Heavy Duty This & That? on: May 01, 2015, 03:37:41 pm
With so much discussion on heavy duty stabilizer bars & shock absorbers, many people ask me if it's a good idea to invest in them.  There is a simple test you and your spouse can perform together to "help" determine if your rig would benefit.  Of coarse this is a layman's test.  It is best to get a professional opinion, but this should reveal much, especially if your problem is severe.

1) First make sure your rig is parked on a flat surface and not parked so close to a tree, a garage door opening, or other obstacle such that a rocking rig could bump into it.

2) You and your spouse stand inside the rig on the floor, feet spread apart as your floor plan allows, positioned over the rear axle, and face the windshield.  Rock yourselves in unison side to side and try your best to get your rig to rock.

3) Repeat the process standing as close to the front axle as possible.

So what happened?

If you both failed in rocking the rig, if you two just couldn't make it happen rhythmically, then you are in good shape.

If you were able to get the rig-a-rocking into a good rhythmic pattern, then you surely could benefit from upgraded stabilizer bars and shock absorbers.

On a "good" suspension, what happens is that instead of the rig rocking & leaning side to side, it moves more vertically instead.  The vertical movement is difficult to maintain because the pair of shocks kick in good and cancel out that movement.  It feels like the rig is in a vat of molasses.

On a rig that "Needs Help", you will be able to get a rhythmic lean side to side fairly quickly and it may continue shortly after you stop.

There will always be some leaning and vertical motion regardless.  The real question here is how much is okay, and how much is not.  It is near impossible to describe on a forum.  If you can rock the rig side to side fairly well with only a little vertical movement, then you could benefit from a heavy duty stabilizer bar for the axle you are testing.  If you can rhythmically get any motion, then your shock absorbers should be looked at.

Have fun with it and get your neighbors talking.  Smile

For the record, when we test our rig equipped with front & rear heavy duty stabilizer bars and four Koni-RV shocks, we get the "molasses" feeling.

A You Tube video would be real handy right about now.
69  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Converting From Two 12V Batteries To Two 6V Batteries on: May 01, 2015, 08:32:00 am

I will report back after our planned 4 week voyage, but that will be later in the season.

I did talk with Kermit on how they accommodate the taller 6V batteries.  His installs a taller frame/box which hangs lower so he can install the slide out tray.  I did not want to invest in and fuss with  to have my tray hanging lower so I went with the AGMs.

I really hope the AGM batteries I installed will work because they are the right choice otherwise.  It would be very challenging for me to wrestle heavy, dirty, wet acid coated batteries on a regular basis.

BTW:  Both times now with our old 12V batteries.  Both sets, the boil-overs were caused by one battery not holding a charge.  The charger does not know when to stop charging then so the boil-over happens.  With that consideration, I went with the two 6Vs in hopes that the load is better distributed much like "D" cell batteries in a flashlight.  Flashlight batteries all die at the same rate.  Maybe the two 6V batteries will fail together at the same time.

I hate replacing two 12V batteries knowing one is still good.  I hope to get more years and better performance from the pair of 6V AGMs.  I just hope to overcome that 13.8 versus 14.4 charging thing.
70  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Newbie - First Trip on: May 01, 2015, 08:09:20 am
I suppose if you are in a place where it makes sense, you can also dump your dishwater onto a dry tree or something.  I never do that though, since there are invariably food particles and smells in there and I don't want to attract any bears!
With our old rig we used to do that all the time.  But park rules in recent years have strongly frowned upon that.  Primarily because of food fragments, but also because it was inundating the ground with detergents.  They want campers to dump their dish water into the bear toilet.

Having the two waste tank sizes switched around would have been ideal.  But it just could not physically fit under the frame that way.  I believe the black tank must be under the toilet, so the floor plan (placement of the toilet) determines the size of the black tank.

Though not ideal, it sure is a whole lot better than other comparable brands.  I think my brother's Starflyte has a 7 gallon waste tank and 10 gallon gray tank.  He dumps daily, sometimes twice a day.  That makes our tanks look like a water truck.
71  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Newbie - First Trip on: April 30, 2015, 08:49:59 pm
Hi Bob,

Congratulations on your first trip well done.

We own a 2007 2350 so with regards to tanks and plumbing, we are real close to being the same.

You are correct in that it is possible to get black tank sewage into the gray tank if conditions are right and procedure is not followed correctly.  You want to be sure your gray tank is near or at full when mixing.  We seem to find out the gray is full when one of us is taking a shower and the water isn't getting down the drain.  You also want to open the gray tank first to flood the pipes between the two tanks, then open the black so when the tanks balance out, the water flows from gray to black.  You really want to avoid getting that backwards because that means some really nasty stuff could get into the gray tank and so if it backs up into the shower, human waste in one form or another will be on your shower floor.

For a multitude of reasons, at the end of our season, I fill both gray and black tanks to tippy top with warm water with some bleach.  This to control odor and to sanitize whatever it can do.  After an hour or so, I drain, refill, and drain again.  It seems to be very effective in odor control.

One other thing my wife and I practice which is not popular at all is that we only do number one in the toilet.  It's who we are, and it helps with odors while our PC is in our garage under our bedroom.  If you disagree, just don't try to make a point about it.  Smile

Happy Travels!
72  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Re: Converting From Two 12V Batteries To Two 6V Batteries on: April 29, 2015, 05:34:53 pm
Hi Mark,

I have charged the AGMs, topped them off with my stand-alone charger and I did not notice anything unusual.  That charger does have an AGM setting so maybe it compensates accordingly.

On another forum, I was told that the Ford V10 alternator does provide a high enough voltage so maybe I am covered for charging-while-driving.  I take note of your comment and will observe my Scan Gauge as well and see what my alternator is providing.  Maybe the output varies pending usage like for example having the headlights on, the climate control working hard, and radio blasting all at the same time.

The other concern is with our Tripp-Lite inverter.  I'll have to get the manual and read up on that one.  Given our travel style, we rarely use the inverter for charging, maybe 10% of the time, so the impact to us would seemlngly be different than for most other PC owners.  Maybe the Tripp-Lite has an AGM setting like our stand-alone charger has.

One thing certain, I wouldn't want lead acid batteries because checking the fluid level would be quite inconvenient without a slide out battery tray.  Those things are awfully heavy, and then there is the matter of disconnecting and reconnecting.

I will have to take voltage readings from all three charging sources, Alternator, Inverter, and Stand-Alone Charger.  Hopefully all is well, or can be made well.

Thanks for giving me the "Head's Up".
73  Main Forum / Tips and Tricks / Converting From Two 12V Batteries To Two 6V Batteries on: April 29, 2015, 03:08:36 pm
One of our two 12 volt batteries failed, same as with our first set.  When one goes bad, acid boils over and makes a mess, and of coarse a serious loss of battery reserves.  Good practice says to replace both batteries.

With all the discussion on the benefits of 6 volt batteries, I wanted to give them a try.  I shopped around and found Sam's club to be a good supplier of 6 volt lead acid and AGM batteries by Duracell.  The AGM is twice the cost that of lead acid at $180 per battery, but given my newly created limited access situation, I got the AGM batteries HERE.

Given all 6 volt batteries are much taller, I had to replace my slide out battery tray with a flat sheet of metal to gain height inside the battery compartment.  I found a nice piece of black painted metal being thrown away at work which had a couple of bends that benefited me.  I bolted "L" bracket material from a home improvement store to cradle the batteries.

I mounted the brackets to the tray, then the tray to the battery compartment.  I then removed the front bracket to slide in the two 6 volt batteries, connected them up nicely, then replaced the front bracket.

Without being able to slide out the batteries, it was difficult to make the connections with a ratcheting box wrench.  I used both original short battery cables in between the two batteries for a robust electrical interconnect.  As I had originally, the red/+ terminal is on the right side, the black/- terminal on the left side.  I used the screw terminals on the batteries to keep the large terminals free to use my secondary battery charger as I like to do at times for quick charging with the generator.  Because of the limited access, checking water level is not practical which is why I selected the maintenance free AGM batteries.  The next time I disconnect them is when they get replaced.

With the door closed, you can see the front most "L" bracket which is why I painted it black as not to stand out.

I am hopeful that two 6 volt batteries hooked up in series will perform better and last longer than two 12 volt batteries hooked up in parallel.
74  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: Brake wiring on: April 26, 2015, 09:28:13 pm
Diodes are most commonly used in tail lights wired for towing.  To be honest, the only other method I know of are the "extra" lights you attach to the tow vehicle with magnets.
75  Main Forum / General Discussion / Re: 2350 Tire Pressure on: April 25, 2015, 05:33:58 pm
Paul, Thanks for sharing your results.

I concluded nearly the same with our rig, though 5 more psi up front.  I don't think our conclusions would be a perfect match because our 2350 is a 2007 with a softer front suspension along with not having a 400 pound slide out.  Considering those differences, I think we agree.

With regards to thread wear, with around 27000 miles to date, our back tires are wearing perfectly.  Our fronts are wearing evenly inside to outside, but we have a slight chafing or scalloped thing going on.  Because it is relatively minor and evenly formed across the threads, I really am not concerned.  By the time it gets serious, the tires will be replaced due to age.

Strange tire wear can happen from a few long driving days if the conditions are right.  For example, you can ruin your front tires just from driving across the Great Plains during a very consistent strong cross wind the entire time.  Turning your steering wheel to compensate puts excessive wear on the outside of one front tire, and the inside of the other.

By some people's standards, our 8 year old tires are already too old, but I want to get at least another 4, pending their thread and side-wall condition.  The rig is always stored in a dark garage so they stay fairly well preserved.

It's good to know we are in line with each other with tire pressure.  Thanks Again!
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