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 on: May 02, 2015, 07:25:56 am 
Started by ron.dittmer - Last post by TomHanlon
If this rig is a rocking, don't come a knocking.
 rolling on the floor   rolling on the floor   rolling on the floor

 on: May 02, 2015, 07:22:08 am 
Started by bobkbusch - Last post by TomHanlon
I put in two soap dishes in our shower and they are still there three and half years later. They are the 3M Command product using the "bath" tape that came with them. Last month I added a plastic holder (4l x 2w x 2h) for holding small bottles of shampoo, etc. I used the "bath" tape again and have not had any problems yet. We even left the bottles in there for the trip home from Myrtle Beach to Maryland. I used rubbing alcohol to clean the wall first.

 on: May 01, 2015, 11:28:03 pm 
Started by bobkbusch - Last post by bobkbusch
Thanks Tom for checking on the tow bar height!  Yes, I measured my Cruiser's receiver at 16" and the Trailhawk's tow points at 20" so I use a 4" riser and it looks pretty level.  I think I might have overstated the amount of sway/drift/tail wag that I get.  Like you mentioned, the Trailhawk is unnoticeable most of the time.  Just had a few issues when wind gusts kicked us and on uneven pavement.  Most of the time it towed really well.  Never had any issues with the bow wave off a semi. I just want to investigate all options to help control the sway when it happens.

Pretty amazing...three of us on this thread have Phoenix Cruisers, wife drives a Trailhawk, and we drive a Grand Cherokee!  Maybe we should start our own club!  LOL

I wanted to mention another lesson we learned.  We had a soap dish attached to the shower wall above the hot water handle.  One morning, we left for our day's adventure and realized we had forgotten something so we returned to the Cruiser.  My wife went inside and discovered the soap dish had fallen off the wall and hit the hot water handle and we had water streaming into the shower!  Fortunately we weren't gone long so we didn't flood the camper.  The soap dish was attached using 3M Command Tape.  We are now looking for the high humidity tape or another option and plan on mounting elsewhere in the shower.  Lesson #2:  We now turn off the water at the campground spigot each time we depart the campground!


 on: May 01, 2015, 05:38:25 pm 
Started by bobkbusch - Last post by Doneworking
Tom brings up a great point:  I had to use a six inch riser to get mine properly aligned.   The 2350 on the F350 is really pretty low in the back.  So low, in fact, I am mindful of the gasoline tank when backing into a camp site with a concrete barrier at the end of the pad.  Six inches is really big, but that is what it takes to get it level. 


 on: May 01, 2015, 03:37:41 pm 
Started by ron.dittmer - Last post by ron.dittmer
With so much discussion on heavy duty stabilizer bars & shock absorbers, many people ask me if it's a good idea to invest in them.  There is a simple test you and your spouse can perform together to "help" determine if your rig would benefit.  Of coarse this is a layman's test.  It is best to get a professional opinion, but this should reveal much, especially if your problem is severe.

1) First make sure your rig is parked on a flat surface and not parked so close to a tree, a garage door opening, or other obstacle such that a rocking rig could bump into it.

2) You and your spouse stand inside the rig on the floor, feet spread apart as your floor plan allows, positioned over the rear axle, and face the windshield.  Rock yourselves in unison side to side and try your best to get your rig to rock.

3) Repeat the process standing as close to the front axle as possible.

So what happened?

If you both failed in rocking the rig, if you two just couldn't make it happen rhythmically, then you are in good shape.

If you were able to get the rig-a-rocking into a good rhythmic pattern, then you surely could benefit from upgraded stabilizer bars and shock absorbers.

On a "good" suspension, what happens is that instead of the rig rocking & leaning side to side, it moves more vertically instead.  The vertical movement is difficult to maintain because the pair of shocks kick in good and cancel out that movement.  It feels like the rig is in a vat of molasses.

On a rig that "Needs Help", you will be able to get a rhythmic lean side to side fairly quickly and it may continue shortly after you stop.

There will always be some leaning and vertical motion regardless.  The real question here is how much is okay, and how much is not.  It is near impossible to describe on a forum.  If you can rock the rig side to side fairly well with only a little vertical movement, then you could benefit from a heavy duty stabilizer bar for the axle you are testing.  If you can rhythmically get any motion, then your shock absorbers should be looked at.

Have fun with it and get your neighbors talking.  Smile

For the record, when we test our rig equipped with front & rear heavy duty stabilizer bars and four Koni-RV shocks, we get the "molasses" feeling.

A You Tube video would be real handy right about now.

 on: May 01, 2015, 03:37:32 pm 
Started by bobkbusch - Last post by TomHanlon
Is your tow bar level or within two inches of level? I had to add a four inch risher on the back of the PC to get level. We also tow a Trailhawk, my wifes daily driver. I drive the Grand Cherokee. Have had mostly Jeeps since 1993. Most of the time I don't know it is back there but sometimes it does cause tail wag on bad roads. I use a Blue Ox tow bar and base plates with locking pins. A invisable brake system with radio signal to the PC dash. Also use the Blue Ox light kit for the tail lights. Had a charging wire run to the Jeep battery so it stays charge. We have run from Colorado Springs back to Maryland with out having to unhook.

 on: May 01, 2015, 02:20:37 pm 
Started by bobkbusch - Last post by bobkbusch
Thanks Paul!  I read the 2350 Tire Pressure thread before we left so I had my tires set at 75psi front and 65psi rear IAW the sticker.  I might try 65-70 in the front.  I had no complaints about the roughness, just occasional sway/drift.  I forgot to mention I had airbags installed on the rear axle, along with a compressor and tank.  I did that to prevent sag in the rear when I haul my ATV trailer as it has a very heavy tongue weight.  I think the ride, at least as far as "roughness" is concerned, is improved when I adjust my airbags depending on my load, but that wasn't the reason I had them installed.

I have the Blue Ox Aventa tow bar, it came with my motorhome purchase.  So, I stayed with Blue Ox and used their base plate system.  I don't think that is the issue since it tows well at 65-70, even around curves, as long as their is no wind and decent pavement.  I suspect it is an alignment issue, so I will put more effort into learning about that and find a good local shop.

edit:  I just thought of something...  We travelled with our fresh water tank at 1/3 full to save weight while going over the mountains.  Perhaps the partially full tank allowed the water to slosh side to side after a gust of wind resulting in the "tail wagging the dog" effect.  I will try with empty/full fresh water next to see if it makes a difference.


 on: May 01, 2015, 11:54:50 am 
Started by bobkbusch - Last post by Doneworking
Bob, I have no problems with sway or wind with my setup.  You might read the post down the list on this General Discussions part of the forum from several days ago.  We talked about tire pressures and a 2350.  I have been doing it wrong and you can read about my recent "experiment".   As to alignment and camber, you are right on target.  A lot of posts over the years over in about this and many guys swear by a higher camber.   I took mine to a great local tire shop that is family owned.   They have two or three bays large enough for 350 and 450 Fords and do work on commercial trucks in this end of town.  I have been using them for thirty years so I have a lot of confidence in them.  They put that puppy right in the middle of Ford specs, which are very wide.   Apparently, the first thing that an owner should do when a 350/450 is completed by the builder is for it to be aligned.   My first owner guy didn't do that and I assumed it had been done....not good and really dumb on my part to make such an assumption.  I made it because it drove fine.  After all, these are trucks.

Last week, I drove it about six hundred miles and the difference with the corrected tire pressure and alignment was significant.  That being said, last year we have made several trips down Interstate 40 from OKC out to Amarillo, about 250 miles and the road runs due east and west.  Cross winds of 25-35 mph directly out of the south are common in far western Oklahoma and the Texas Panhandle on that roadway.   Even so, I never had a significant problem from wondering or blow by from semis.  I suspect on our upcoming trip to NM I will think I am driving my Grand Cherokee on cruise control it will be so smooth with the corrections being made to the 350.

Take a look at the posts in OUR TOAD just below on this forum and you will find a post by me in which I list my hitch and braking equipment. That may be the reason, even with the alignment off and pressures out of kilter that I have had great experiences pulling the Trailhawk.


 on: May 01, 2015, 11:20:03 am 
Started by David J. Rotelle - Last post by donc13
On our 2014 2552 the overflow is connected to the passenger side weep hole.

Yup...and that just means your travelmate can assist by watching the passenger side weep hole and let you know when it starts bubbling so you can quickly change the switch and/oor shut the water off.

 on: May 01, 2015, 11:12:12 am 
Started by bobkbusch - Last post by bobkbusch
Thanks everyone for the great responses!

Ron, your detailed explanation was exactly what I needed - thanks!  Makes sense and now I know how to "balance" the tanks if I need to while boondocking.

Dave, great to hear from you!  Looks like you've been using your Cruiser quite a bit.  We are going to try to do a little more cold weather camping next winter.  I still love the look of your interior and plan on using it as a model if we ever decide to switch to a different floor plan.  Please look us up if you bring your boys back to Colorado!

Carol, the dish pan tip is perfect - thanks! 

Paul, it looks like we even have more in common.  The Trailhawk is my wife's daily driver and I drive a Grand Cherokee as well - we've had numerous Jeeps in the last 25 years!   I also have a solar panel, but it is only 130 watts.  Do you experience any drifting while pulling the Trailhawk?   As I said, no problem up and down numerous high passes in Colorado, but we did have some periods of crosswinds, maybe 20-25mph and I had to pay more attention than I expected.  Also, even without crosswinds, if the pavement wasn't flat , meaning slight rut depressions where the pavement has sunk a bit from tire tracks, we also had to fight drift more than I expected.  I figured it might be because of the short 158" wheel base on the 2350.  I've also read a post on another forum that implored anyone with a 350/450 chassis to get it to an alignment shop and have it adjusted with more + Caster.  He states that will greatly improve stability.  I need to get out on the highway without the Trailhawk in tow and see if I notice the same drifting.


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