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 on: March 16, 2018, 09:08:58 pm 
Started by Sarz272000 - Last post by ron.dittmer
For the curious interested in the changes in pricing and features since 2007....

In early 2007, MSRP on my 2350 was $88,351 including a $504 front bumper cover with fog lights, vinyl seats, No TVs, and a barrel chair instead of a Euro chair.  Today when I plug in equivalent features and options on my rig as I had ordered it, MSRP is $126,683, an increase of $38,332 or 43.5%.

That is a big price difference, but keep in-mind that was 11 years ago.  Also understand that Phoenix made lots of improvements to the 2350 since 2007.  Some things today like real leather is simply better.  Some changes we could have a difference of opinion.  Things improved or changed on a 2350 since 2007 that I can think of are....

- a more capable E350 chassis by Ford
- Euro chair replaced the bolted-down pivoting-&-sliding barrel chair with seat belt
- battery compartment now enclosed, batteries are protected from the rear tire splashing
- 6V batteries in series replaced 12V batteries in parallel
- separate inverter and converter, replaced the 2000 watt Tripp-Lite combination unit
- added a splash & fire resistant mirror to the right of the stove
- nice kitchen and bathroom faucets replaced generic white fixtures
- frameless jalousie windows replaced framed horizontal-sliding windows
- electric awning replaced the manual box awning
- LED light strip under awning replaced a generic porch light
- LED lighting throughout the cabin replaced florescent lights
- compact fixed digital TV antenna replaced the crank-up analog/digital antenna
- relocated the fresh water tank more forward and center for improved weight distribution
- exterior storage drawer and trap door replaced a wide open storage compartment
- slam-to-latch latches replaced generic ones for the exterior storage compartments
- drawers inside dinette benches replaced wide open dinette bench storage
- deleted the spare tire and associated compartment to help with weight distribution
- deleted the wired phone jack system
- added the nice water control & winterizing system
- better quality MCD shades replaced the generic horizontal accordion ones with string tensioning
- bigger 7" back-up monitor replaced the 5" monitor
- bigger microwave with integrated ventilation replaced a smaller microwave with separate hood vent
- Blu-Ray/DVD player replaced the DVD player
- a heat register robbed one galley base cabinet drawer, but this might have been in-place for only a few years
- flush-mount stove with a hinged glass cover replaced the Corian-made flush-mount stove with Corian covers
- a round-ish stainless steel sink replaced the square-ish creme colored resin/composite sink
- sink cover is 2-piece, previously a single piece
- deleted the coffee maker mounted to the inside of the sink base cabinet door

 on: March 16, 2018, 08:40:10 pm 
Started by ROO - Last post by The McDucks
Not sure about 2009, but my new 2018 2552 has wheel covers which are removed by persistent prying around the perimeter. I took them off while installing a tire pressure monitoring system.  As Ron says, check the valve stem locations to ensure you don't accidentally damage them.

I watched a tech at Phoenix install the wheel covers by centering them on the wheel and hitting them sharply with his fist.  Looked easy. When I went to reinstalled mine later, I discovered his fist must be a lot stronger than mine. I resorted to well placed kicks, and I hurt my foot. I've since purchased a big rubber mallet, which does the trick nicely.


 on: March 16, 2018, 11:04:56 am 
Started by Sarz272000 - Last post by jatrax
Good news, that 'build a PC' thing was like playing with an erector set or Lincoln logs.  Lot's of fun and it doesn't cost anything Wink

 on: March 16, 2018, 08:17:27 am 
Started by ROO - Last post by ron.dittmer
Mine is a 2007 and has the fake nuts. I used a pair of water pumps and tried wiggling the nut. The fake one will give a little and then just pull off exposing the lock nut. 
So one of the 8 fake nuts needs to be removed to access a hidden lock nut?  All these years on the PC forum and I never read that before.  I learn something new all the time.

 on: March 16, 2018, 07:47:10 am 
Started by ROO - Last post by Joe R
Mine is a 2007 and has the fake nuts. I used a pair of water pumps and tried wiggling the nut. The fake one will give a little and then just pull off exposing the lock nut. 

 on: March 15, 2018, 08:25:56 pm 
Started by Sarz272000 - Last post by Sarz272000
Very nice options can be priced out on a new PC. Price given is only 18.6% off list. Used to be around 25%. Yikes!!! I wonder if they negotiate now?

Still looking for my dream PC.


 on: March 15, 2018, 05:05:30 pm 
Started by ROO - Last post by ron.dittmer

I believe others will answer the same as I have here....

The standard wheel covers do not have a locking feature...(adding...WRONG, read next reply!)  You pry it off, but use the end of the supplied lug wrench instead of a screw driver because the end of the lug wrench is much larger, less likely to deform the wheel cover.  When doing so, pay close attention to your valve stems and their extensions.  You don't want to accidentally damage them.

I have never had mine off, but I'd like to pop the left-front wheel cover off to shape it perfect.  I think since the rig was new, that wheel cover has had a slight deformation near the center, spinning less than perfect.  I've always wondered if it looks bad when the our PC is driven.  I should jack up that corner and spin the wheel to see how it looks.

 on: March 15, 2018, 04:48:40 pm 
Started by ROO - Last post by ROO
The new switch did not work so I took the coach to a local repair shop that has treated my very well of the years. They had to replace the controller unit and it now works fine. I hope this is the end of this story.

 on: March 15, 2018, 04:44:57 pm 
Started by ROO - Last post by ROO
Hi Folks,
I am trying to remove the wheel covers from my 2009 2551PC. ls it as simple as using as a large flat head screw driver to pop the cap or is it held in place with a lug nut that is covered with a fake chrome nut. Cannot locate markings for lug nut on the fake chrome cover if that is the case.

 on: March 15, 2018, 02:19:25 pm 
Started by Tall Guy - Last post by Tall Guy
Thanks to everyone for your informative responses!  In order to get the Travel Trailer side of things per Ron's suggestion I searched the net for that same question and found the general consensus was it all depends on how you're going to use it.  Weekend warriors and stay putters a trailer sounds best but for those who travel around and "pull up stakes" as my Dad used to say a motor home sounds best.  Then when you weigh in the added conveniences, security, temperature control (that one turned out to be huge), and ease of set-up I'm comfortably all in on the motor home side.

We desperately tried to make a 2351 work but I'm just too tall.  So next Friday we're making a factory visit to discuss a no slide 2551.  Ron, I know exactly what you mean about National Park campgrounds being small and difficult to navigate.  We've travelled in 46 of our states and every province except P.E.I. & Newfoundland / Labrador and there have been times I've had a problem with my 19 foot GMC pick up, another 25-28 feet added to that would be restrictive.

Thanks again everybody!!!

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