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 on: December 03, 2016, 10:50:02 am 
Started by fandj - Last post by Bruce and Sharon
I removed the ceiling vent trim piece as Barry suggested and see no wires. 

It might be possible to push wires between the roof material (some type of wood?) and  the ceiling material (some type of padding) from the vent opening over to a light fixture located about two feet away.  But, there is a seam in the ceiling material midway on that route that will likely block easy passage there.

The factory employees had left for the day when I called there for advice on this, so will try again next week.

Maybe someone here has experience installing wire under the ceiling material?


 on: December 03, 2016, 09:32:00 am 
Started by randallandchris - Last post by randallandchris
I have the full Kelderman airbag setup for the rear of my PC.  It does help with the ride massively, but also allows me to level the RV and lower/raise it for towing.  I also have bags in my front springs.

Were the rear leaf springs removed or is it the 2-stage setup connecting their rear shackles to the air bag mechanism as shown in the pic in the Kelderman link?  Thanks.

 on: December 02, 2016, 11:05:28 pm 
Started by randallandchris - Last post by David Rotelle

I installed Firestone Air Bags on our 2910.

 on: December 02, 2016, 10:31:14 pm 
Started by randallandchris - Last post by SweetWaterSurprise
Hi randallandchris,

"Replacing" the rear leaf spring suspension with a full air ride suspension is designed to improve the quality of the ride, making it more comfortable.  The problem with these types of suspensions is that if there is a failure with an air leak of any kind, the vehicle is incapacitated.

Although I agree having a leak in my rear bags was terrible, my RV was not incapacitated.  It rode very low in the rear but I was able to get home over an hours drive from the beach.  I had an air line burst and cause full pressure loss.  The RV kinda looked like an old school Gasser, riding high upfront because of my 4X4 set up.  New lines the next day and I was back in business.

 on: December 02, 2016, 10:28:36 pm 
Started by randallandchris - Last post by SweetWaterSurprise
I have the full Kelderman airbag setup for the rear of my PC.  It does help with the ride massively, but also allows me to level the RV and lower/raise it for towing.  I also have bags in my front springs.  I do a lot of beach driving and they helped with the bounce that comes from driving in choppy sand.  My rig is 4X4 so I also have all new Bilstein shocks all around. 

 on: December 02, 2016, 08:48:49 pm 
Started by randallandchris - Last post by PawPaw
what kind of air bags did u add to your 2910?

 on: December 02, 2016, 08:05:18 pm 
Started by Sandyc - Last post by Sandyc
My Dometic Thermostat shows fan,cool,furnace, & heat strip. For some reason I can't get the heat strip (green led) to light up or work. When I rotate it down to heat strip it goes directly on/off . What am I doing wrong? I do what the instructions tell me. Is their a trick to this. Any help is greatly appreciated.

 on: December 02, 2016, 10:43:03 am 
Started by randallandchris - Last post by David Rotelle
Although we have enjoyed the way our Ford E350 and E450's have handled and driven over the years I have always struggled with what I would call a rough ride particularly in the rear of the Coach.
I would describe it as a sharp jolt over highway seems etc. We first noticed this on our 2005 Born Free 24rb. The Born Free had factory shocks and Firestone Air Bags installed when the Coach was built by Born Free. I replaced the rear shocks with Bilstein comfort shocks which I felt provided minor improvement.

The second Born Free we owned was a 2007 27rb model also built on the E450.  This Coach road rougher by far than our previous Born Free 24rb. We tired several things to improve the ride. The first was to take it to a commercial suspension shop to have the leaf springs re-arched, this made little or no improvement. Born Free began installing Super Spring helper springs on all of their new coaches to replace their air bags. The Super Springs were getting better reviews than the Air Bags so we decided to give them a try. I felt the Super Springs helped the ride some but I felt there was minimal improvement. One thing that I really liked about the Super Springs was the extra two inches of clearance we received in the rear of the Coach.

We installed the Super Springs as well as Bilstein Comfort shocks front and rear on our first Phoenix Cruiser 2351. The ride in the Phoenix Cruiser was noticeably better than our previous Born Frees and because our 2351 was built on the E350 I was really glad for the extra clearance the Super Springs provided.

On our current Phoenix Cruiser 2910 I installed four Koni FSD shocks and Air Bags. Although the air bags require fine tuning I like the fact that you can adjust the coach's suspension from side to side.

I realize how a coach is perceived to handle and ride can be a matter of opinion. However I do (think?) that our 2910 with the current set up rides considerably better than our previous coaches.

Again, this is just one persons opinion based on our experiences. Although I would love to take all the jarring out of the ride, I can safely say I am not cringing as much when I see a large highway seem looming in the distance.....


 on: December 02, 2016, 08:09:13 am 
Started by BandD - Last post by Pax
Bill:  Thanks for the info regarding those businesses.  Unfortunately, for us, we would have to drive through Oakland/Berkeley to get to San Leandro.  Not the safest thing to do these days, what with the protests/riots, highway/bridge/road shutdowns and highway shootings along I-80.

We've managed to locate some great services in the North Bay area, with the exception of RV or Truck washes.  The closest self-serve to us is over in Petaluma at Touchless Car Wash and Detailing.  They have one very large bay with catwalks on each side to reach the higher areas of a truck or RV.  The Camping World in Vacaville does a decent wash job, but they do not do either the roof or the cap over the windshield.  shrug

Dan Shavlik's RV Service in American Canyon is very good, but he is always pretty well booked up.  Triton Truck Service in Vallejo is a great resource for the non-"RV" portions of the PC.  They work on all sorts of big vehicles like Ambulances, Semi's, RV's, Fire Trucks, etc.   And Cordelia RV does a pretty good job with the RV-related equipment, but they also tend to be pretty booked up with warranty repairs on the RV's they sell.

Sure seems to be a lot of opportunity for new businesses in the Bay Area related to RV services.

   - Mike

 on: December 02, 2016, 02:33:39 am 
Started by randallandchris - Last post by Michelle Dungan
Similar issues; different era: My parent's 5th tow-vehicle was a '73 Buick Electra Limited towing the 3rd trailer, a '77 Ideal 21 1/2 footer.  Dad and I installed Air Lift Poly-Aire bags into the rear coils to provide a slight lift to restore the inch or two lost due to the weight of the heavy equilizer hitch reciever, hitch, and a few items in the trunk in order to level it before hitching up and using the spring bars only to maintain the same vehicle attitude with the addition of the trailer tongue weight.  These vehicles were undersprung unless one had a trailer-towing package, which this one didn't.  With the right amount of air, and spring bars adjusted for whether one had full propane and water tank (inside and also near front) at the time vs. a few days later with a full holding tank in the rear, ride and handling were extremely good, also due to the heavy Buick's very low center of gravity.  But, after dealing with air bag tubing that would somehow chafe and leak no matter how I mounted and routed it, and air bags that eventually did the same due to our only needing a little more inflation than the minimum required to prevent chafing, we gave up on them.  I concluded the best thing would have been rear coils slightly stiffer and taller, just enough to make up for the additional weight of the hitch receiver, etc. identified above.  Too much air easily made for an overly tall rear ride height and even though air is progressive in firmness, it exceeded the damping ability of the shocks and would make the rear of the car bounce like a dribbled basketball.  Ultimately, a 3/4 ton '82 Suburban was purchased due to the Buick's chronic overheating issues, and the firm suspension of the Suburban, and no air bags, air shocks (an earlier experiment in the '60's), etc. made hookups easy and not in need of constant adjustment, tinkering, and repair.  

I'm no expert, but would guess that the addition of a very thin but highly arched leaf would aid the PCs, and not add too much firmness or too much ride height.  You're probably only needing to make a fully loaded vehicle have the same effective spring rate as the dry one, and restore ride height to what it was when dry, plus another inch for good measure since many report their E-350-based units sag about an inch or so.  On most with an E-450, I couldn't imagine any more firmness (effective spring rate) being desirable except on the heaviest models, and ride height change needs would be mixed.  So, talk with a good spring shop or someone else who also deals with suspension changes and go over your options, which might be supplemental air systems, additional leafs, re-arching of your existing leaf springs or some combination of above, or completely new, different leaf springs.  On my father's '97 Roadtrek (Dodge Ram Van 2500), Roadtrek originally added one thin leaf to the driver's side where more weight is.  According to some experts, some of these had it, some didn't.  So, all things are possible.

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