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 on: March 25, 2017, 11:07:36 am 
Started by Two Hams in a Can - Last post by Two Hams in a Can
After returning from our shakedown trip to N. Carolina and Tennessee, which had a rough beginning with mineral scale clogging our plumbing, and a toilet that wouldn't flush until it got a firm nudge from an RV tech, and a dose of silicone spray from me, we former diesel pusher fulltimers learned a lot about living small.   exactly!  Not only do we want the requisite recliners, Baby Q, dog crates, etc., etc., I also need my portable Pride Mobility "cripple cart" (thanks Larry The Cable Guy).  As enamored as we are with "Fawkes", we know there is a limit to what even a Phoenix can carry, we don't care what J.K. Rowling says.  So we got a cargo carrier  to help with the load, and it has worked out nicely.  We had to permanently raise and clamp the lower section of the ladder to clear the carrier, but we don't use it anyhow.  We also attached the StowAway Hitch Tightener, Anti-Rattle Stabilizer to firm things up  We threw a cripple cart cover over the whole thing and anchored it with a spider net and we were on our way.  ThumbsUp    Cheers

 on: March 25, 2017, 11:05:07 am 
Started by Pax - Last post by Pax
Prior to the rainy season out here we installed RainX Quantum windshield wipers.  Thankfully we've had a really wet winter this year, and I can say that we've been very impressed with the new blades during a number of trips in the last few months.  Much improved visibility during all types of rain.  They are more expensive than normal blades, obviously, but we've found them to be valuable.  They also have a color-change indicator to let you know when to change them.

   - Mike

 on: March 25, 2017, 10:48:08 am 
Started by jatrax - Last post by Big Green Machine
We were at Racoon Lake near Knoxville  & the lady said that a green one like ours had pulled out that morning. We spent 2-1/2 months on the road from the Florida Keys to New Orleans, & never saw another one!

 on: March 25, 2017, 10:43:47 am 
Started by jatrax - Last post by jatrax
Escapees Discussion Forum has a section dedicated to RVs and toads for sale.
Thanks for that link, just what I was looking for!

Ron, thanks again for the info.  Yes you are correct it is a lot harder these days.  Not only do we have automatic transmissions and All Wheel Drive in addition to 2wd and 4x4 we are also starting to get CVT or constant velocity transmissions, which are very definitely not towable.  Add that to sales people on the showroom floor who have no idea and things can get ugly.

Here are a few resources I have found that might help others:

There is an amazing amount of information out there on the internet, but it is often contradictory or confusing.

One thing I did find out is that later Jeep Liberty's do not have the mechanical lever transfer case like you said, but they do have a push button that puts the transfer case in neutral.  So while I, like you, would prefer a mechanical lever they can be towed using the push button to put the transfer case in neutral.  Assuming the correct engine / transmission combination of course.

Still looking and researching.  We still have lots to learn about the motorhome itself so adding a toad will come when we are ready.  Probably late summer.

 on: March 25, 2017, 10:40:18 am 
Started by Pax - Last post by Pax
After reading the recent post by John (jatrax) regarding toads and calculations, I thought I'd update this post regarding towing our Ford Edge since a couple of things were omitted by me in my original post.

Quick recap....the Edge is a heavy crossover/SUV.  Our model has push button start and there is no problem unlocking the steering wheel by placing the vehicle in ACC mode (also by button). The PC still has no problem at all towing the Edge. We are still very pleased with the setup and our decision.

What I do need to add to the discussion is that our model Edge also has a setting for 'auto rain detect' on our wipers and 'auto light/dark detect' on our headlights.  At one point during a trip in the rain I looked back at the Edge in my PC rear view camera and noticed that the wipers were on in the Edge.  Duh.  The headlights were also on.  Obviously had to change our little towing checklist to ensure that we set these things appropriately before towing.  Technology is great, until it outthinks you!

   - Mike

 on: March 25, 2017, 08:02:25 am 
Started by jatrax - Last post by Two Hams in a Can
Is there a marketplace for used Toads?  Vehicles that are known "good to tow" and already have all the equipment added?

Escapees Discussion Forum has a section dedicated to RVs and toads for sale.  Most entries are for RVs with toads but you might find auto types listed that will give you some starting points.  Good luck.   Cheers

 on: March 25, 2017, 07:52:08 am 
Started by jatrax - Last post by ron.dittmer
Hi jatrax,

You sound like me in 2007.  The subject of tow vehicles had me dizzy, and I think back then it was more straight forward.  These days many 4WD and 4x4 types have a convenient dash-mounted electrical switch for the driver to select 4WD high and low, and some don't have a neutral position like the old days when the vehicle had a separate gear shift lever.  Our Jeep Liberty has such a mechanical lever.  When I put that lever in neutral and the transmission in park, all is well.  The automatic transmission is prevented from spinning so it is protected while being towed.

Back in 2007 with exception of all Saturns and other sprinkled brand models it seemed that if you had an automatic transmission, you needed to have a gear transfer case with a neutral position, just like our Liberty has.  Of coarse 99.99% of the vehicles sold with automatic transmissions back then didn't have a gear transfer case so they were ruled out.  People with most front wheel drive auto-trans vehicles got around it by using a tow dolly.  A rare few people with rear wheel drive auto-trans vehicles that stood tall actually went as far as removing the drive shaft to tow their vehicle with all wheels on the ground.  People sought after manual transmission vehicles with tow bar brackets offered.

A few vehicles in 2007, but many vehicles following 2007, automatic transmission vehicles were able to be towed with all wheels on the ground, but every few hundred miles, you need to start and warm up the tow vehicle and then go through all the gears a number of times while holding the brake pedal.  It seems most recently, the auto manufactures state that if you tow their vehicle all-wheels-down, it voids their warranty.

Now-a-days, many vehicles have push-button start so there is no key to mechanically unlock the steering wheel.  Some vehicles, the gear shift lever is actually an electronic devise, not mechanical, so putting the transmission in neutral, it might not stay that way when the car is turned off and being towed.  Today's high technology adds more complexity in vehicle choices, hence more research required to determine how (or if) it works when being towed.

There are a few websites out there with charts to show which vehicles are okay to tow with all wheels on the ground.  If I were looking for a tow vehicle today, I would seek those charts but not solely rely on them.  I would also seek available tow bar brackets from the towing hardware suppliers like Blue Ox and Roadmaster.  I would be most confident with a vehicle like our Liberty with a mechanically controlled gear transfer case.

In this picture of a 1st generation Jeep Liberty 2002-2007, you can see the gear transfer case shift lever to the left of the transmission gear shift lever.  It resembles a parking brake lever.  If you look close, you can see a diagram on it that explains each position.  That lever shown here all the way down is in normal rear well drive.

 on: March 24, 2017, 09:48:20 pm 
Started by jatrax - Last post by Janey
We spotted one at the Coastline rv resort outside Eastpoint, FL.

 on: March 24, 2017, 08:23:55 pm 
Started by jatrax - Last post by PawPaw
It's springtime.  They're migrating.   Cheer
There were 4 PC's at the FMCA Rally this month in Chandler Az.

 on: March 24, 2017, 11:51:11 am 
Started by jatrax - Last post by jatrax
So after spending most of last evening looking on the internet and researching toads, I am now even more confused. 

I'm not a 'car guy', I know that gets me kicked out of the guy club but honestly if it starts and runs I really don't care all that much.  I don't change my oil or anything else, that's what garages are for.  So all I find on the internet has just confused me even more because it seems I don't speak the right language. 

There does not seem to be any straight answers.  You can tow this car, but only for this year if it has this transmission but not that one and if you hang Lavender flowers on the mirror. rolling on the floor

I think someone could make a good business buying used vehicles that are towable, adding the base plate and lighting and brakes and tow bar and then reselling it as a done deal.  I've talked to a couple of local dealers and they seem to know even less about towing a car than I do if that is possible.  When you mention towing they assume you are towing something behind the car, not the car behind something. 

Is there a marketplace for used Toads?  Vehicles that are known "good to tow" and already have all the equipment added?

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