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 on: November 10, 2014, 09:18:14 pm 
Started by frecklestweety - Last post by Sparky
Hey great ideal Ron,,, yeah we have those charities donate you car etc  will check that out  great suggestion


 on: November 10, 2014, 06:50:56 pm 
Started by NHWanderlust - Last post by Barry-Sue
Same rig, same mileage, same options but adding a 6 foot slide-out, adds $1470 for a total of $52,499

Actually Ron, according to NADA, your rig with a slide would have originally retailed for $83,113 and if selling today would be $63,929. 

When selecting the original model you either choose a 2350 non-slide or 2350 slide.  For some reason NADA values a slide if added as an option at only $1,470 but NADA does not treat a slide as an option on any Phoenix Cruiser.  NADA identifies each Phoenix Cruiser as a separate model depending upon non-slide, slide, double slide. 

You make a very good point that people have to look at these guidelines very carefully when determining the value of a motorhome.


 on: November 10, 2014, 04:24:03 pm 
Started by NHWanderlust - Last post by ron.dittmer
....on average a 2007 2350 with slide would sell for $12,900 more than a 2007 2350 without a slide.


I saw that on

I am so surprised they value a 2007 slide-out with an MSRP of $4130, valued today at $12,900.  As messed up as RVT might be with that one, it is what people read when shopping.  If we ever had to sell our rig, we'd be in jeopardy.  Good thing we plan to own our rig for over 30 years, 23 to go.

I'll have to plug in my rig into NADA and then do it again with a slide-out.

REPORTING BACK Using with Average Retail Figures

My rig base price is $31,500 adding $4,095 for lower mileage, then adding $15,434 for optional equipment for a total of $51,029
It states my MSRP was $78,983 when in reality is was $89,051.  That's all messed up.

Same rig, same mileage, same options but adding a 6 foot slide-out, adds $1470 for a total of $52,499

I guess that is why NADA and other such value estimators are referred to as "Guidelines".

 on: November 10, 2014, 03:19:42 pm 
Started by NHWanderlust - Last post by Barry-Sue
Ron's posting got me thinking, wondering what the difference a slide makes on the average sale price of a PC.

I went to NADA Guide website and looked at the average sale price for a 2007 2350 with and without a slide.  I included no mileage or options.  The result is very interesting, on average a 2007 2350 with slide would sell for $12,900 MORE than a 2007 2350 without a slide.  I did the same thing with a 2012 2551 and found the 2551 with a slide would sell for $12,200 MORE than a non slide 2551.

I know this is just numbers on a piece paper but it does provide food for thought.

NADA Web Site:


 on: November 10, 2014, 02:12:33 pm 
Started by Carol - Last post by Carol
Thanks Bob & Sharon.  Yup, I spoke to Kermit at PC after getting the forum's input and researching online.  He did state that the water heater is one of the more vulnerable items to freezing, and to leave it on if the temps are below freezing.  It is very expensive to replace.  My other vulnerable spot is that outside shower, but as someone previously noted, on the 2350/2351 there is a cutout for that plumbing under the bathroom sink.  I took the shower head off, drained the water out of the tube, then stuffed washcloths in the outside compartment.  Leaving the bathroom sink door open so it gets heated should prevent problems there.  All the other ideas and suggestions should be followed, as well, and I should be fine.  Thanks again everyone, and I hope this is also helpful to others!

 on: November 10, 2014, 01:32:52 pm 
Started by frecklestweety - Last post by ron.dittmer
If your tires look great with real good thread, check a local charity that takes in vehicles.  They might accept your 4 best tires as a donation to put on a work van that was received with really bad tires.  That is my plan when it comes time.

 on: November 10, 2014, 01:04:18 pm 
Started by NHWanderlust - Last post by ron.dittmer
FWIW, as stated in our 2007-2350 paperwork, MSRP was $89,051.  Before current-day factory-direct only sales, we bought through a dealer paying $67,205 + $4,368 in sales tax.  After our purchase we added $3900 in suspension upgrades, $430 for a 3rd captain seat, and lesser amounts on piles more that added thousands more.  I would guess we have near $80,000 invested when considering the money we invested to tow our Jeep.

I really don't know what our 2007 2350 with no slide-out would sell for today.  I am not convinced the tiny slide-out offered at that time would make a difference in value and/or marketing if selling today.  I do feel the larger slide-out which includes the fridge is a positive influence.  I also feel the largest slide-out in the new 2351 (also known as the 2450) and the 2552 and bigger models is a sure winner for resale value.

We did special order our rig without a slide-out with no consideration to resale value.  For you who consider resale value "crucial", you really should get a slide-out, even if you don't find it important for yourself.

Again, these are just my thoughts based on resale observations.  I don't have hard data to back up my comments.  I don't claim to be an authority on this.

 on: November 10, 2014, 12:41:57 pm 
Started by Carol - Last post by bobojay
Another thing to remember Carol is, below freezing temps for extended time periods. If you keep your cabinet doors open to the inside of the coach, even while driving, that'll help out.
We've been in low to mid 20's in our RV's for over 24 hours at a time and never had a problem. We used the RV antifreeze to flush with. That way the antifreeze concentrate in the tank(s) and lines stays high.....

Hope this helps...

 on: November 10, 2014, 11:41:13 am 
Started by BuffaloRose - Last post by Sparky
Please read some info on the skywalk.... I heard???  it is very expensive,,,, no pictures etc,,,, I have been by the cutoff to the skywalk numerous times and looks rough  again not sure,,,,   suggestion have you been to the North rim??? or Zion  great places  We just got back from 3 days at the South Rim and had a great time been there a couple of times.. North rim is of course closed now,,, has a great RV park no hook-ups though,,, South rim has full hook-ups Zion has elec/water only  but a dump station   Zion your at the bottom of the canyon North/South Grand Canyon of course your on the top   We had our bikes and rode all over  on all three of these places.

this is my blog for the grand canyon

At the bottom of it is a link to my flkr account and you can clik on it go to my albums lots of pics of Zion and the Grand Canyon... PS if real interested you can look at the blog for our Alaska trip    were going back this Spring,,,, write back if you want more info


 on: November 10, 2014, 11:30:00 am 
Started by Sparky - Last post by Sparky
If you google this trip it shows go to Albuguerque  to Farmington NM to Provo,, then back on the Interstate  has anyone traveled these State Highways???    I like traveling the interstate on such a long trip also were trying to do400 to 500 a day in a hurry to get to Portland,,,(after that were headed to Alaska),, and it seems every time I go these back routes you lose so much time   I would rather stay on I-10 go to Kingman, to Vegas , up to Reno then Portland,,,, traveled the road from Vegas to Reno before, good highway  just steep haha..   Any thoughts would be appreciated.
It adds about 300 miles going to Vegas and up

PS  were traveling from Houston,,,

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