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 on: November 13, 2017, 06:22:34 pm 
Started by Two Hams in a Can - Last post by Two Hams in a Can
Well, my friends still haven't been given access to the forum.  Cry  The 2552 they went to see was gone when they got to the dealer; so they are still looking. . .possibly expanding their choices.  Her questions about the 2910:

The 2900 is a short queen in a slide... but I can't find anything about the retracting process or what it looks like when the bed slides in.  Can one leave the bedding on, as I assume it folds rather than stays flat (from the look of the floor plan)?  Part of the problem is (a) getting OUT of the bed at night (more than once, mind you!) - is there room to just plant your feet on the floor and get up, or does one need to slide down toward the end of the bed? and (b) if the bed folds, it is now like a sleeper sofa and very uncomfortable at the fold - or can one put a foam mattress topper on it?  

Inquiring minds want to know. . . Cheers

 82 
 on: November 13, 2017, 12:24:21 pm 
Started by aimee - Last post by Two Hams in a Can
Welcome the the PC World. . .love the moniker RV Camping especially since Camping is your actual name. Verra cool  Wink  Like Jatrax said, a slide out doesn't necessarily mean a weakened structure.  We used to own a 40 ft Foretravel Class A DP with no slide since the floor plan allowed lots of maneuvering room; but when we downsized to our 24 ft PC2400 Sprinter, we felt we needed a slide since it isn't unusual for us to spend multiple months in "Fawkes" with our two Cocker Spaniels.

We toured the Phoenix Cruiser factory and were impressed that they build PCs not unlike Foretravel builds their Class A's (also a factory tour) with a strong steel structure.  We have really enjoyed our slide out and (knock on wood) have had no issues other than sticking rubber seals, which I have treated.  IMO, getting a slide should be basically whatever floats your mechanical and aesthetic boat, not worry about twisting your beloved PC.  Just sayin. . . Cheers

 83 
 on: November 13, 2017, 11:54:23 am 
Started by Joseph - Last post by Joseph
Free2, yes I knew the gen couldnt handle a second ac unit. If I was ordering a new 2552 Id go with 2 units no question. However I never buy new. That being said I believe to add a second unit after the fact would require a lot of structural work. Im guessing one unit would have to be farther forward and the second back by the beds. Thats too much roof work for me to consider. Also having a unit right above the beds would not lend to a good nights sleep being they are so noisy. Hence why I would like a little stronger unit. Ive been in 120 temps. If the ac is on full bore from the morning before the heat really comes on I could keep it at 88-90. If you wait till its 120 all bets are off. Also I have found several times where the gen set wont start once it gets above 115. I contacted a place that advised me to set a fan blowing on it for a while before attempting to start it and that did work.

 84 
 on: November 13, 2017, 07:54:27 am 
Started by aimee - Last post by ron.dittmer
Hi Dick Camping,

Welcome!

As jatrax implied, I wonder if you will ever go into 4x4 mode on gravel roads.  We travel often on such roads with our standard 2WD and not once did I wish we have a 4x4.  Your profile says you live in upstate NY.  If your plans are to put lots of highway miles to get out west and back home, you might want to ping current 4x4 owners, asking how the chassis handles on the open road.  They do stand taller which is naturally a negative influence.  I would imagine there is some sacrifice in the quality of the ride as well.

We tow a 4x4 Jeep.  I suppose if we ever got into trouble, the Jeep could help pull the PC out of trouble.  I never considered looking into a front tow hook for our PC, but this reply of mine has the gears in my head turning.  Pulling from behind would not be an issue utilizing the tow bar.

As far as a slide out is concerned, if you know much about me, I am not a lover of slide outs.  But we don't have a need as some people do.  I could see a slide out being beneficial if we were a couple who love to eat a lot more food than we should, have pets, and stay in one place for a long time.  We tend to move often and nor do we hang out at our campsite during the day.  We are out daily in the tow vehicle.  We often get home just in time to make dinner, cleanup, watch a movie, and then get to bed.  If our trips were often setting up camp and staying put, I could see that changing my feelings, nixing the benefits in avoiding a slide out.

One thing about any PC and the slide out.  If having a dinette, it will be much bigger without a slide out because of the additional wall space from both the slide out and also the angled transition wall behind the driver.  The 2552 dinette without a slide out, will be bigger than our 2350 no slide dinette SEEN HERE with standard cloth cushions, later changed to vinyl with memory foam.  Our dinette works well, but it would work much better being another 6" longer.  A bigger table and more leg room are the main benefits.  A longer conversion bed will also benefit.  I've slept on the dinette conversion bed when fallen ill on a trip, so there is a rare need to utilize it for us with a double bed.

 85 
 on: November 13, 2017, 06:46:58 am 
Started by Joseph - Last post by Free2RV
Jatrax is correct.  With 50 amp service, the second A/C will not operate off the generator or if plugged into 30 amp service.  This was one of our questions we asked because we are planning on including 50 amp service when we order our 3100 next spring.  The two reasons we have for wanting two units is when traveling in hot climates and in case the main unit should fail.  When we saw our first PC in South Dakota last year, the owners said they wished they had two units in their 2552 because their single unit could not keep up in the 100 degree temps we were experiencing.  We had our A/C unit die on us when we had a fifth-wheel unit and had to get one installed immediately so we could leave our pet in the unit as we did some site seeing.

 86 
 on: November 13, 2017, 06:05:40 am 
Started by Wilson - Last post by 2 Frazzled
We have on in our 2552 and love it. John likes to be able to see back through the window using our rear view mirror when driving and the film expands the view. It also helps when in camp as you can see the area down behind the rig.

 87 
 on: November 12, 2017, 08:43:58 pm 
Started by Wilson - Last post by Wilson
Long before rearview cameras, we used  magnifiers in the rear windows of our RVs. 

Added this to our 2012 2552 and very happy with results gives me another perspective besides the camera and is pretty inexpensive too. 

Installation is a breeze,  just wet and apply.    Here is the picture of the window which does not do the view justice but hopes it gives some insight into the view.   





Here is link to the Magnifier.

https://www.amazon.com/CIPA-60300-Wide-Angle-Lens/dp/B000TCI826/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1510536897&sr=8-1&keywords=rv+magnifier&dpID=31nNIj%252BpLGL&preST=_SX300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch

 88 
 on: November 12, 2017, 08:35:18 pm 
Started by aimee - Last post by jatrax
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The coach's shell is undoubtedly stronger and more resistant to twisting stresses without the large slide hole in it.
Personally I think that is one of those things that sounds like it should be true but in the real world it just doesn't make any significant difference.  At least in how the Phoenix Cruiser is built.  The exterior walls are just a 1.5" sandwich with fiberglass on the outside and foam inside.  Cutting holes in that sandwich does not significantly reduce the structural integrity.

I live inside the national forest and most of the roads are gravel or un-maintained deteriorating asphalt, I have seen no issue with squeaks or rattles beyond what we hear on the interstate.  You might ask Kermit if he thinks there is any significant additional stiffness without the slide.  He is the only one who would actually know.  My opinion is there is some, but in the real world not enough to make any difference.  Much of the strength is actually the interior cabinet work which is secured to both the floor and side panels thus tying everything together.

There are reasons to not want a slide but I think structural integrity is not one of them.  They have been putting slides into RVs for many years with no issues.

PS.  Most of the gravel roads I travel on are actually in better shape than many of the interstates as far as potholes, cracks, bumps and such causing rattles.  Of course Jeep trails are another story.

I am a little jealous about your 4x4, I saw two of those at the factory and thought they looked awesome!  My copilot nixed the idea before I even said it. Wink

 89 
 on: November 12, 2017, 07:28:49 pm 
Started by aimee - Last post by RVCamping
Thanks for the warm welcome Jatrax. I agree with you on the impressive difference that a slide can make, my concern however is structural in nature. The coach's shell is undoubtedly stronger and more resistant to twisting stresses without the large slide hole in it. We opted for the 4x4 chassis and we will occasionally be going "off pavement", think gravel roads not jeep trail. Will that type of usage accelerate the squeaks, rattles, jamming and water leaks that slides are known for? Would it be better to just go w/o the slide for the added stiffness and less problems? Comments are welcome from those that have driven these types of roads and have experience with the toll it takes on the coach.
Joining the PCTC will definitely happen soon after our rig is delivered in April. - Dick

 90 
 on: November 12, 2017, 06:45:53 pm 
Started by Two Hams in a Can - Last post by jatrax
Here is a 2014 2552 just posted on the Phoenix Cruiser Facebook group:  https://www.facebook.com/groups/322506454518168/permalink/1211322568969881/  Less miles, two years newer.

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