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 on: April 14, 2016, 09:36:20 pm 
Started by JJCruiser - Last post by JJCruiser
With the newly gained knowledge from this forum, I spent some time this evening trying to figure out the mysteries of my hot water heater.  I checked for loose/corroded connections and everything seemed good.  I turned on the hot water heater and the burner ignited right away as always.  The piezo ignitor remained clicking as it has in the past.  Upon further looking, I found that the end of the piezo ignitor was too far out of the main flow of the flame.  I gave a gentle push on the bracket holding the ignitor, and the sparking stopped.  The picture shows the position of the ignitor after I made the very minor adjustment.  I suspect the electronic module is still sending a signal for a spark, but it cannot occur when it is in the flow of the flame.  To check my theory, I shut off the gas valve at the propane tank while the burner was on.  As the pressure died down, the flame went out and the ignitor immediately started sparking.  As soon as I turned the propane valve back on, the flame re-ignited.  One problem solved!

I then left the hot water heater on so I could get a temperature measurement as Joe suggested.  I used an infrared thermometer I purchased years ago that I have found to provide reliable temperature measurements.  It took a while but when the burner turned off due to the thermostat, I checked the temperature.  I did this by filling a cup of water from the kitchen faucet and taking a measurement.  It measured 152 degrees.  Too hot for us!  I have the adjustable thermostat on order, it should arrive next week.

I hope this information is helpful to others.  Thanks again for everyone's great advice!


 on: April 14, 2016, 08:32:06 pm 
Started by Pax - Last post by Pax
Thanks!  I'll do some digging and find out more about it.  We don't subscribe to Motorhome Mag and their May '16 issue isn't available online yet.

   - Mike

 on: April 14, 2016, 02:05:30 pm 
Started by Pax - Last post by Bruce and Sharon
Visit Capitol Reef National Park in south-central Utah whenever you get a chance.  We spent a few days there four summers ago and loved the small park and the little town just outside.
The May 2016 issue of Motor Home magazine has a nice article on the park.
Bruce and Sharon

 on: April 13, 2016, 09:21:10 pm 
Started by Dynadave - Last post by ron.dittmer
All ears here too.

 on: April 13, 2016, 09:20:09 pm 
Started by Chuck1944 - Last post by ron.dittmer
One of the things we picked up right off is the rear ladder and roof rack are not as substantial as previously installed, so Ron the one in your basement may be increasing in value.
rolling on the floor

 on: April 13, 2016, 09:09:10 pm 
Started by Chuck1944 - Last post by RKS
Adding to what Paul mentioned about the sourcing of materials, we have noted a few things we feel we're of a better grade on our 2012 PC then on our  new 2016.   They are minor, at least we hope, but the improvements made over the years more than make up for these changes.  One of the things we picked up right off is the rear ladder and roof rack are not as substantial as previously installed, so Ron the one in your basement maybe increasing in value.

 on: April 13, 2016, 07:41:09 pm 
Started by Chuck1944 - Last post by Doneworking
Chuck, like you we came to the PC world from Class Bs.   We had a 1996 Roadtrek 190P and a 2007 Roadtrek 210P, the 190 on a Dodge and the 210 on a Chevy.  Of course, class Bs are not made on a production line but a cleaned out van which is often extended, raised or lowered.  So, making them is an entirely different process compared to a C.  

We researched for a time for a small Class C.  We had seen PCs many years ago and after careful research decided a 2350 was for us and were preparing to order a new one when we found one ten months old with 7700 miles less than five miles from our house!   We have been pleased with our PC and find the quality better than on most Class Cs.   That being said, we never expect to have another rig with the quality of our old Roadtreks.  Your Pleasureway  would fall in the same category and Class Bers have argued for twenty years about PW vs RT.   They are, in fact, very close to the same quality Canadian build.  Excellent!  

Now, let me add that new Roadtreks (and I assume PWs) seem to have more problems than the ones a few years ago.  I don't know about PW, but RT has had three different owners in four years.  Until the first sale, it was owned by the same family that started it about 1979 and was being run by the second generation.   I look at the new ones and the quality in my opinion has deteriorated  since my 2007 was essentially hand made.  

I think a lot of the problems in the RV industry today are that the parts they must  purchase are just not as good a quality as what was available a few years ago.  Things that were made in the US or Canada are now mostly Mexican or Chinese and they are simply not to North American standards of durability.   I think we all know that whether it is a sorry RV cabinet hinge that looks just the same as it did ten years ago except now it is stamped "China" in very small letters and breaks way too often or electrical components that should last years and fail in months.   How sad.  But a fact of contemporary life.  

I am so sorry you have had the problems with your new rig that you have experienced.   Candidly, those of us coming from Class Bs to Class Cs just notice a lot of things.  Your problems seem to be excessive.  The good news is that Phoenix Cruiser seems to take care of their  customers much, much better than about anyone still left around.  The fact that the company is owned by folks that are there every day is a real plus.  The PC guys started out in the RV business actually building a real neat Class B called Intervec Horizons and Falcons and I can see the B quality carried over across those decades  If I call up Roadtrek today in Kitchener, Ontario, the person I will talk with now works for a European owned company.  This is my second unit these folks built if you count my Intervec Horizon many years ago.   I loved it, too.  

Hopefully all those problems are behind you now and you can really enjoy your 2350.  We feel like we are in a mansion in our 2350 compared to the Roadtrek!   And a lot of the stuff in the 2350 is simply superior to what was in our Roadtrek, but the cabinetry is sure not the same but it is close enough to provide us many years of good use and service.

Good luck my wish for you is that you get your problems resolved and enjoy your PC like we enjoy ours.  


 on: April 13, 2016, 06:28:02 pm 
Started by Dynadave - Last post by Dynadave
Has anybody installed the Koni FSD shocks on the large Phoenix units such as a 2900 or 3100? If so what were their  results, was there a noticeable difference. I am satisfied with the ride and handling with my 3100 which is 6 years old and has 25000 miles.  I am thinking of replacing the shocks but may wait,  I would do it if I knew the ride and handling would be improved. The suspension is all original. The Konis get a lot of good reviews on the class A units but not much has been posted on the E450 chassis.

 on: April 13, 2016, 05:21:38 pm 
Started by Chuck1944 - Last post by ron.dittmer
Ah, yes.  I remember your post now.  What you did is ideal to me.  If my regular valves without extensions are not enough, I may just install the Borgs you have.

Thanks for that Barry-Sue......again.


 on: April 13, 2016, 04:07:34 pm 
Started by Chuck1944 - Last post by RKS
We've had our new PC for 3 months now and have been living in it since pick up, so it got a fast break in. The only significant issue so far is with the water distribution box, the new type. One morning I found water running out the overflow hole while hooked up to city water. Called and talked to Kermit who said they had a bad batch and immediately sent a new one. Incidentally any one with this style might want to check the vent hole in it as mine is open to the inside, nice bug entry,, the actual vent is on the drivers side.
Other than that were good.

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