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« on: January 20, 2015, 09:42:56 am »

Found a link to this on the PC home page. Also a link for their new blog is there. Good video starring Earl with a few appearences of the voice of Kyle. The video walks you through all steps. One thing I would have added is a mention to turn off your hot water heater and let it cool before you open the plug and drain it but otherwise it is all there. Note: the fancy outdoor water port they suck the antifreeze through is only on the newer models, 2014 and on I think. For our 2552, we have a clear hose next to the water pump under the passenger bed that goes in the antifreeze bottle and a little valve to open to let the pump suck it in. Even though we've winterized several times, I did learn something from the video. I didn't know I had low point drains until Tom Hanlon recently told me they were near the hot water bypass. I found them and turned them and fiddled with them while John looked under the house and said "nope, no water is coming out". We gave up on them and went on with winterizing. So when I watched the video I learned that you pull the little handles straight up to open them... duh, never tried that, but in my defense, I do try to avoid breaking things I don't understand. Here is the link to the video or you can find it at the bottom of the company's home page in the "Announcements" bubble.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=MNi5rPBQYxU

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« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2015, 03:05:52 pm »

First recommendation is do not use channel lock pliers to remove the water heater plug.  It is plastic and you can see he is just chewing it up.  Get a socket to fit it and keep it in the coach so it is available when you need it.  I also put it back in place loosely so it does not get lost.  Water heater manufacturer says a little water remains in the heater but freezing will not hurt it. 
      I use my coach in the winter so I blow out my lines with air, that way in the winter when I get home I blow them out again.  When you use RV antifreeze you will have to sanitize the system before use.  Blowing them out they remain dry and clean. 
     Someone in the past said that Phoenix does not recommend blowing the lines out. I cannot figure why they would say that as all winter long Phoenix uses air to check the water system for integrity and leaks.  They do not put water in the system in the winter.  That is how we had a new flooded coach.  After checking the system with air, they cross threaded the main line from the tank to the pump and when we got ready to use it for the first time, while filling the fresh tank, I went inside and found water every where.  Of course this was a 2350 where the tank is under the corner bed and had to remove 20? screws to find the leak. 
     I put winter windshield washer fluid in the P traps, dump valves and macerator pump.  All the RV Dealers in our area, North Idaho, use windshield washer fluid because it is much less expensive.  If it can not hurt all the plastic, hoses and seals in the windshield washer system, it is OK for our P traps.
     Just some of my thoughts on winterizing.
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« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2015, 10:20:09 pm »

For those with the four-way water control valve on the drivers side, outside, there is a 'winterize' position.  I used to have the general schematic of this valve but have misplaced it, but it can be found on the valve manufacturers website.  It would come in handy understanding what parts of the water system are engaged or disengaged depending on the setting, including 'winterize'. I believe this valve was installed starting in 2013 (model year 2014), and was not documented in my PC manual anywhere.

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« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2015, 10:37:17 pm »

For those with the four-way water control valve on the drivers side, outside, there is a 'winterize' position.  I used to have the general schematic of this valve but have misplaced it, but it can be found on the valve manufacturers website.  It would come in handy understanding what parts of the water system are engaged or disengaged depending on the setting, including 'winterize'. I believe this valve was installed starting in 2013 (model year 2014), and was not documented in my PC manual anywhere.

    - Mike

There's a video on PC's YouTube page that shows the in & outs of this valve
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« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2015, 10:51:07 am »

I'm so jealous. We bought early 2013, probably just before the new models came out so we don't have that nifty valve. It would sure making filling the fresh water tank a whole lot easier. Plus it would move the antifreeze job to John's side of the coach instead of in-house with me. I've gotten good at it though. Phoenix has the little hose hooked up under the bed already so it is quick and easy to pop it into the antifreeze jug, open the valve, and start the process.
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« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2017, 06:25:24 pm »

I'm so jealous. We bought early 2013, probably just before the new models came out so we don't have that nifty valve. It would sure making filling the fresh water tank a whole lot easier. Plus it would move the antifreeze job to John's side of the coach instead of in-house with me. I've gotten good at it though. Phoenix has the little hose hooked up under the bed already so it is quick and easy to pop it into the antifreeze jug, open the valve, and start the process.

We too were disappointed, after watching Earl's winterizing video to find our 2012 PC 2400 Sprinter pre-dated the marvelous selector switch.  sad  We picked our PC up in Florida just days before Christmas 2016 and drove straight back to freezing Chicagoland; so had to quickly winterize the minute we turned the key off.

We found this on our favourite RV shopping center  https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0006JJ588/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2LUSJ51FSLEEE&coliid=I21JTBA6K2RTIM  and are considering it for next winter.  After reading customer critiques, we are concerned about possible reduced water flow when using the water pump, but we usually are hooked up to shore water supply.  The short length of tubing complained about is easily corrected.  Next step is to see if there is any room to install in the water pump space.

Has anyone else bought this thing?   Help Love to hear about it.   Cheers
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« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2017, 08:13:09 pm »

Look under the passengers side bed. The little square hole lifts out. Look toward the rear. You should see a clear hose and next to the pump a valve. Turn the valve to make it suck through the hose. Put the hose into a bottle of RV antifreeze. Turn on the pump and open one facet at a time until you see pink. Be sure to bypass the water heater first. You will need two gal of antifreeze. Pretty simple, maybe not as easy as the new outside valve but still simple.
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« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2017, 08:47:39 pm »

Thanks for sharing but note that we have a 2400, not a 2551 or 2552. There is no bed as such...only the sofa aerobed. We'll keep "pitching 'til we win".  Cheers
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« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2017, 10:37:03 pm »

Where is your water pump? The kit should be by it, if Phoenix put it in the 2400.
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« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2017, 07:46:03 am »

I agree with Tom. Look where the water pump is. I've never heard of a Phoenix without the valve and clear hose to siphon the pink stuff into your lines. It doesn't have a huge valve handle like the one on your link but it is there. If the hose is too short, buy a new one at the fish store or hardware store. We set something under the jug of pink stuff to raise it off the floor and the hose reaches to the bottom of the jug. It can be done solo but is easier if one holds the jug and hose and the other plays with faucets (including outside shower and valves for macerator. It takes minutes to do the whole procedure - Drain the hot water heater then BYPASS it. You don't need the pink stuff in there.   

If you got the manuals with your new-to-you rig, check for the one for the water pump. They have instructions there for winterizing also.
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« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2017, 08:05:19 am »

Look under the bathroom vanity.   That is where it is in our 2100 and your bathroom is in the same location.   
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« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2017, 08:28:37 am »

Thank you, all! ThumbsUp. I'll look as soon as it's daylight here (long night, long story).  Since we bought our PC from a dealer that knew just enough to recognize that it is an RV (a Class B+ but they called a Class C); and we didn't have time to look into every nook and cranny before we were in freezing weather. Love. This. Forum.  Cheers

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WOOT!  Found it right where Tom, 2 Frazzeled and Gail said it should be!  ThankYou This is one of the very reasons we chose to go with Phoenix Cruiser. . .they manufacture their RVs by listening to the needs and wants of their buyers, unlike the "assembly line for max profit" mentality of many manufacturers.  I am currently on "downsize threads" on the Escapees forum and the ForeForums (Foretravel) touting the advantages of considering Phoenix Cruisers for former Class A & fiver users who want to downsize. . .some are people with whom we fulltimed.   Cheers
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