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Re: Decisions Decisions
« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2014, 06:45:49 am »
Bob and Peg,

Hope all goes well. We know you have put a lot of effort into your PC. Hope it stays off the market for a while longer and also hope to see you in June at Promised Land State Park. We have reservations at the Pickeral Point Campground in the park for Friday June 27th, Site 166.

Judi and George
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Re: Decisions Decisions
« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2014, 02:52:00 pm »
NHwander.....come down to Exeter and see the 3100.  We love the space and layout much more compared to the 2551.  In FL right now and this 70 degree stuff sure beats what we have.....to bad I can only spend 5 days here.  Thanks
Ron Goodspeed

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Re: Decisions Decisions
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2014, 02:15:42 pm »
A helpful to Jim and Beth for showing us their customized 2910. Beautiful!
Richard & Jackie
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Re: Decisions Decisions
« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2014, 01:47:38 pm »
Richard,

I've been wondering many of the same thoughts of your original post. Particularly, the price difference between a class A gasser, like the Tiffin Allegro, versus the 3100. At fully loaded the 3100 is basically the same price as an Allegro Open Road.  Arguably, both companies make equally well built coaches.

I couldn't wrap my head around why there wasn't a larger gap in price. I would assume the Allegro should cost substantially more.  The I recalled my Economics lessons from college. How Tiffin is able to price its coach similar to PC is due to Economies of scale. They're making many more Allegros than PC is, and they're makjng it up with larger volume of sales.

Think of like butter (costs) to bread (sales). You're able to spread the butter thinner and thinner the more bread you have.

Hope that helps s bit.

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Re: Decisions Decisions
« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2014, 11:03:00 am »
Hopefully your still reading this thread had to add 2cents,,,,, Yes you can purchase a small A for about the same price or even cheaper,,, but take that same A... go back 3/4 years and see what the re-sale value is today....dollar to a donut it's horrible,,,, now if you go buy a quality A even a small one,, your re-sale is going to be better,,,,,and if you purchase one with the same quality as a Phoenix I'm betting your in the 100K+ range...

   I realize your doing your research,,,,From what I have seen on the market  I could sell my 2350 for about what I paid for it today(purchased in 2012),,,it's a 2008 I could have purchase a brand new similar size RV for about  6000 more,, but my research showed that in 2/3 years I would be  in the hole in the 10/15k range,,, At the age most of us our at we have to be prepared,,, yeah I know don't worry be happy haha... but if I go down or become unable to maintain the Beast wifey is going to sale her,,,and I don't want her to be in position of taking a major hit.

  So my decision to buy a Phoenix was based upon quality and resale,,,   I have looked and spent hours looking at the smaller units 24,25,26 ft and I know I am right ... now have not priced the larger units  28,29, 30  but would be willing to bet the guys that own them will confirm the same....

good luck

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Re: Decisions Decisions
« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2014, 01:04:18 pm »
FWIW, as stated in our 2007-2350 paperwork, MSRP was $89,051.  Before current-day factory-direct only sales, we bought through a dealer paying $67,205 + $4,368 in sales tax.  After our purchase we added $3900 in suspension upgrades, $430 for a 3rd captain seat, and lesser amounts on piles more that added thousands more.  I would guess we have near $80,000 invested when considering the money we invested to tow our Jeep.

I really don't know what our 2007 2350 with no slide-out would sell for today.  I am not convinced the tiny slide-out offered at that time would make a difference in value and/or marketing if selling today.  I do feel the larger slide-out which includes the fridge is a positive influence.  I also feel the largest slide-out in the new 2351 (also known as the 2450) and the 2552 and bigger models is a sure winner for resale value.

We did special order our rig without a slide-out with no consideration to resale value.  For you who consider resale value "crucial", you really should get a slide-out, even if you don't find it important for yourself.

Again, these are just my thoughts based on resale observations.  I don't have hard data to back up my comments.  I don't claim to be an authority on this.
« Last Edit: November 10, 2014, 01:19:03 pm by ron.dittmer »
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Re: Decisions Decisions
« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2014, 03:19:42 pm »
Ron's posting got me thinking, wondering what the difference a slide makes on the average sale price of a PC.

I went to NADA Guide website and looked at the average sale price for a 2007 2350 with and without a slide.  I included no mileage or options.  The result is very interesting, on average a 2007 2350 with slide would sell for $12,900 MORE than a 2007 2350 without a slide.  I did the same thing with a 2012 2551 and found the 2551 with a slide would sell for $12,200 MORE than a non slide 2551.

I know this is just numbers on a piece paper but it does provide food for thought.

NADA Web Site: http://www.nadaguides.com/RVs/2014/Phoenix-Cruiser

Barry
« Last Edit: November 11, 2014, 08:48:44 am by Barry-Sue »
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Re: Decisions Decisions
« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2014, 04:24:03 pm »
....on average a 2007 2350 with slide would sell for $12,900 more than a 2007 2350 without a slide.

WOW!

I saw that on www.RVT.com

I am so surprised they value a 2007 slide-out with an MSRP of $4130, valued today at $12,900.  As messed up as RVT might be with that one, it is what people read when shopping.  If we ever had to sell our rig, we'd be in jeopardy.  Good thing we plan to own our rig for over 30 years, 23 to go.

I'll have to plug in my rig into NADA and then do it again with a slide-out.


REPORTING BACK Using http://www.nadaguides.com/RVs/Motorhomes with Average Retail Figures

My rig base price is $31,500 adding $4,095 for lower mileage, then adding $15,434 for optional equipment for a total of $51,029
It states my MSRP was $78,983 when in reality is was $89,051.  That's all messed up.

Same rig, same mileage, same options but adding a 6 foot slide-out, adds $1470 for a total of $52,499

I guess that is why NADA and other such value estimators are referred to as "Guidelines".
« Last Edit: November 10, 2014, 05:00:51 pm by ron.dittmer »
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Re: Decisions Decisions
« Reply #23 on: November 10, 2014, 06:50:56 pm »
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Same rig, same mileage, same options but adding a 6 foot slide-out, adds $1470 for a total of $52,499

Actually Ron, according to NADA, your rig with a slide would have originally retailed for $83,113 and if selling today would be $63,929. 

When selecting the original model you either choose a 2350 non-slide or 2350 slide.  For some reason NADA values a slide if added as an option at only $1,470 but NADA does not treat a slide as an option on any Phoenix Cruiser.  NADA identifies each Phoenix Cruiser as a separate model depending upon non-slide, slide, double slide. 

You make a very good point that people have to look at these guidelines very carefully when determining the value of a motorhome.

Barry
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Re: Decisions Decisions
« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2014, 03:34:21 pm »
Hopefully your still reading this thread had to add 2cents,,,,

good luck

Sparky


Yep I'm still reading and learning. Next May we sell the big house and move into a little house. And then we can get the moving house!!
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Re: Decisions Decisions
« Reply #25 on: November 16, 2014, 01:11:53 pm »
I know Ron is not a fan of the slides but many of us have them and are very satisfied.  If you want a dinette, it can be put in the slide of the 2552. We have it and like it. 

You can't put a price on the service and care Phoenix offers.  It is as if you become a member of the family.  Well done Phoenix.

2travel 
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Re: Decisions Decisions
« Reply #26 on: November 16, 2014, 05:45:45 pm »


You can't put a price on the service and care Phoenix offers.  It is as if you become a member of the family.  Well done Phoenix.

2travel 

This is what I keep hearing from multiple owners.....
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Re: Decisions Decisions
« Reply #27 on: November 16, 2014, 05:47:13 pm »
You got that right! (exactly)

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Re: Decisions Decisions
« Reply #28 on: November 16, 2014, 06:07:54 pm »
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